Humans Are Going EXTINCT And Women are to Blame! | CC Episode 163

Humans Are Going EXTINCT And Women are to Blame! | CC Episode 163
Humanity isn’t dying from war, famine, or disease — we’re choosing to disappear. In this raw, emotionally charged episode, the panel explores why birth rates are crashing, women are rejecting motherhood, and modern life is making family obsolete. Nobody’s talking about it — but the future may be over before we know it.

From hookup culture and feminism to emotional burnout and fatherlessness, this conversation exposes the silent cultural collapse hiding in plain sight. Are we too selfish, too hurt, or just too disconnected to build the next generation?

If we don’t change direction, the extinction won’t be loud — it’ll be a quiet fade-out. Watch the full episode now and join the most important conversation of our time.

Time stamps:
00:00:00 - PREVIEW
00:01:00 - Dating Sites and Accountability
00:02:30 - Slander vs. Genuine Warnings in Dating Groups
00:03:00 - Cheating Dynamics: Men vs. Women
00:04:37 - Reporting Dangerous Men and Police Challenges
00:06:07 - Can People Truly Change?
00:06:27 - Pretending in Relationships
00:07:35 - Deception and Consent in Dating
00:09:08 - Verifying Allegations and Trust
00:10:06 - Societal Perceptions of Men
00:11:27 - Declining Birth Rates and Career Focus
00:13:51 - Duty to Society: Gender Roles Debate
00:20:00 - Women's Contributions to Innovation
00:21:37 - Family Structure and Single Motherhood
00:25:21 - Feminism's Impact on Workforce and Taxation
00:28:36 - Historical Abuse and Financial Control
00:33:57 - Fatherless Boys and Generational Cycles
00:35:09 - Birth Control's Societal Impact
00:39:08 - "The Wall": Aging and Dating Options
00:42:52 - OnlyFans and Modern Sex Work
00:48:03 - Sex, Emotional Attachment, and Gender Differences
00:56:01 - Settling Down vs. Casual Relationships
00:59:29 - Choosing Childlessness and Independence
01:01:00 - Modern Happiness vs. Traditional Family
01:04:18 - Technology's Role in Relationship Decline
01:07:55 - Body Count and Personal Standards
01:14:12 - Securing Commitment and Vetting Partners
01:19:07 - Romance vs. Provision in Relationships
01:26:52 - Sexless Marriages and Divorce Trends
01:32:29 - Scenario: Love vs. Financial Security
01:35:26 - Closing Remarks and Social Plugs

Transcript

Dating Apps and Reputation Damage

Speaker 1 0:00

There's a decline in birth rates, but younger women.

Speaker 3 0:02

You don't have to start having babies again or we're going to die out.

Speaker 2 0:04

Not be able to live my best life.

Speaker 3 0:06

Live my best life.

Speaker 2 0:07

Yeah.

Speaker 3 0:08

All I hear is I just want loads of dick.

Speaker 2 0:10

Now women are working so hard and focusing on their careers to make money so they don't need men, so they ain't got time to make babies.

Speaker 3 0:17

Now you're a single mom. If you have a boy, he is going to be an emotional boy. He's not going to be a man. No woman can grow up a man for the benefit of continuing society.

Speaker 1 0:28

What is women's duties? Women bring creativity where's the inventions?

Speaker 3 0:30

where's the innovations, the things that have kept society going?

Speaker 1 0:33

the men have invented a lot of women give us the babies to keep society going the same men that claim, oh my gosh, like providing so much work they be having like two girlfriends on the side. Yeah, could we like pussy? There's women that literally just want to work travel so no kids, ever.

Speaker 3 0:48

Never get married. And you're 40, you think most women want that with the right amount of money.

Speaker 1 0:51

Yes, I know you like that. I know you like that alright.

Speaker 1 1:00

So, ladies, you heard about the T app heard about the T app no heard about the tea app no, no, yes, yes, I have do you want to explain the tea app? I think it'd be better coming from you, okay I don't know too much about it, but I know I saw on twitter and it's essentially like an app where women can spill tea on men that they've dated and been with in the past. So like give other women like disclaimer or warning of what they're getting into. And it's american's version. It got hacked after like a week.

Speaker 3 1:23

W men. The reason I say that yeah is because I understand the concept behind that. I understand the point of it. I just don't think it's being used for that point, and I say that because we have a similar thing. Obviously that's America, isn't it? But we have a similar thing in the UK. It's called are we dating the same guy? It's on Facebook, isn't it? But we have a similar thing in the UK.

Speaker 2 1:45

It's called are we dating the same guy?

Speaker 3 1:46

It's on Facebook, isn't it yeah? And it's like basically it's in every city, isn't it yeah?

Speaker 2 1:50

Now, obviously, I don't think guys are actually allowed on there either Cool, do what you want to do, but they are, I've get in yeah, but they okay, they shouldn't be on there.

Speaker 3 2:02

They obviously sign up as women, clearly, because they shouldn't be on there. Well, when I've been reading through it, yeah, for me, I'm just like some of you ladies. Do you just take it out? You just need to take it out. He bamboozled you. Yeah, he got the cheat he probably shouldn't have. You're upset about it, I get it, but you don't need to slander someone just because he didn't take you seriously. You could be blocking someone else's blessings. Let's be serious. Like you know, he might treat you not well, but might treat someone else very well. Who knows what. Do you think, guys?

Speaker 2 2:31

well, I think you're wrong because there's one for guys as well, so that I've seen one on facebook that the guys are now sharing women's pictures and they're nudes and stuff on there too.

Speaker 3 2:39

So and, and if that is true, absolutely, they shouldn't be doing. That I agree, but then can we collectively agree that that is just not it's just wrong in general yeah, I agree it is wrong, but because you can't defend yourself.

Speaker 3 2:51

Like, let's say, I went on there, well, someone put me on there and said, oh he's, I don't know, a narcissist. I mean, people call me I've called him a narcissist in the past but like, what I'm saying is that you can't defend yourself, so anyone can say anything and there's no verification, there's no, there's no, nothing, it's just okay. Yeah, and that's your reputation. That's why I'm saying it's not a good thing. And if guys are doing that, it's a bit of a weird thing, because for me, um, you know the whole cheating thing and women cheat less. I just think it's just because men don't snitch on themselves as much do you know what, what.

Speaker 2 3:22

I mean, yeah, do you understand what I'm trying to say? I do.

Speaker 3 3:25

If you're say you're married, right, and say you're sleeping with me, but you're married, why am I going to snitch and ruin that? Do you get what I'm saying? I'm not coming to him as a man, I don't care, you'll go to one as a man, because I'm not trying to mess that situation up. You know what I mean. So I think that's the main reason why people think that they cheat less because you have the capability to cheat more. There's a lot more options and it's very easy, unlike men. What do you think? Do you think women cheat as much as men?

Speaker 2 3:58

I don't think we have the heart to to. I think we feel bad. You think, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 4:05

I feel like I feel like most women, when they're actually like in a relationship that they actually want to be in they won't cheat, they won't cheat how about the tea app?

Speaker 3 4:15

good or bad, because I don't know.

Speaker 2 4:17

I think it's a bit of a reputation ruiner, kind of thing I think when people are using it for the wrong reasons, because they're going on there just to like make the guy look bad, because they're hurt by the guy, but genuinely, if someone's like a bad person or they've hurt someone physically, then yeah, post it. Let other women know that this person's dangerous. Why not go to the police? Dangerous is Because a lot of times, especially in the UK, like when you go to the police for certain things, it doesn't get picked up yeah, and you need to like, provide, like proper evidence for them to take time out of their day to do that investigation.

Speaker 3 4:53

Cool, I, I do agree with that. My argument would be, though yes, resources. I think resources for the police are like stretched thin right, so they obviously want to make sure that there's something to it, because there's a lot of false allegations that go around as well, and we can get into that. That's a separate conversation, but I think you should have to provide some sort of evidence. I don't think it should just be you walking and say something and then that's gospel like. I think there has to be something. There has to be some sort of evidence for them to investigate, because, well, even if there isn't, at least there's a record to say it's been reported. So let's say, you report it, you report the same person and three others report it At least there's a record. Five people have come forward. So now there must be something in it now.

Do Women Cheat as Much as Men?

Speaker 2 5:36

Yeah, but if I know someone's dangerous for example, let's say you are my partner and I knew you was dangerous and the police are doing their investigation and know how dangerous you are and I know you're going to go out there and hurt somebody else I want to be able to let other people know that you're a danger until the police come back and say, yeah, we can arrest him, or we you know you can get arrested, but then come out on bail and do that to somebody else, but I'd rather let other women know that you're dangerous dangerous.

Speaker 3 6:00

Cool, I hear that. Do you think people can change?

Speaker 2 6:03

no, if someone? I don't think. I think if someone comes from hurting people and can easily hurt people, they can't change you don't think they can change. No, so you can't turn your life around. You're a crackhead, you're always a crackhead, yeah well, I know a lot of people that gave up, and then they went back.

Speaker 1 6:20

I feel like they can pretend for long enough, but eventually the mask will fall. They can pretend until they get like what they want, and I don't mean that to just intimacy or anything. They can pretend to get like the ideal partner, the ideal life. That's what you see a lot of people. They get married, they have this beautiful life and then years down the line it just falls apart because it was never built on an honest foundation anyway.

Speaker 3 6:39

I agree. Well, they agree. Well, they say that you can only really pretend for six months uh, I think, if you want something.

Speaker 1 6:45

If you want, if you really want something like you're someone with a lot of willpower and you're like a little bit desperate for it, you'll be able to pretend for at least three years. Some people pretend for 10 years. You know they pretend about their sexuality.

Speaker 3 6:57

They pretend about their other family, like yeah, but what I'm saying is they're acting on it somewhere, though. Like, let's say that someone is like pretending about their sexuality, they're fulfilling it somewhere. Do you know?

Speaker 2 7:09

what I mean they are, but how would you? Know, because, yeah but then what I'm saying is they're not, they're not pretending anymore. Then if you get what I mean, yeah, you won't know that they're doing it somewhere else, would you okay, okay?

Speaker 1 7:22

can I ask you something? Then ask me, how would you if you say that's not pretending, if you are a straight man and you specifically say you want to date only straight women? How would you feel if a man tricked you into being a woman like? How would you feel? Tricked you into what trick, like if he deceived you with his looks, that he was a woman and you're straight and you have no consent to that I don't know he's like a man, he's gay, but like let's say he's dressed up or whatever, whatever what no?

Speaker 1 7:51

you, can't you can't do that no, I'm saying, if I find out, no, no I'm just saying but can you see, like that is dishonesty regardless, like I think you should at least be up front with someone see, I think that should be illegal, though that that's the difference.

Speaker 2 8:05

So do you think if someone had a sex change, Illegal? Yeah, and they didn't tell you would you? So let's say, if that happened to you Hands, you can't really go by the hands. I've been told I've got manly hands.

Speaker 3 8:18

Oh no, I'm saying hands. I'm not saying, I'm saying it's a fight. What do you mean?

Speaker 2 8:23

yeah, but how would you know?

Speaker 3 8:25

well the example she uses, if I find out what if you find out in 10 years time?

Speaker 2 8:28

what happens then?

Speaker 3 8:29

if I see it's hands, I don't know what you want me to say. That's a fight that should be illegal. It should be illegal. Is it illegal? It's not, you don't have to declare it.

Speaker 3 8:39

Yeah, hands and feet, I'll give away, if I a giveaway, if I'm honest. But, yeah, hands, that is fine, because, like, yeah well, yeah, I'd feel violated if that's what the point you get. Yeah, well, I'm just saying, like, what if it's not true? And how do we know? Like, I'm talking about the app now, okay, right, so what if it's not? What if any of these things are not true? Because let's be like, you know how, have no fury. Yeah, so when you lot are pissed off, you might be like yo, I'm trying to ruin this guy. You can say anything. How do we verify any of this information? Like, women are more inclined to believe the like. For example, right, let's say someone played a prank here. Say like me. Say me and you together walking in the boring, yeah, walking in the boring. And literally, this random woman came up to you and just said that, basically went on like, oh, he slept with me last night. You lot would believe that instantaneously. Don't say you wouldn't. It depends, though, go mad straight up.

Speaker 2 9:33

Where were you last night? Yeah, but If you were with me and she comes up to me and she says that I'd be, let's say it wasn't but he was at his friend.

Speaker 3 9:42

I believe in that. Come on, let the dog you believe in it. I would believe it.

Speaker 2 9:46

Yeah, he's guilty. He's guilty because that's my point.

Speaker 1 9:50

I feel like. I feel like you look at the woman, you look at, like you assess the situation and obviously I feel like most times, if you know you're with someone, you sort of know their character. A lot of women will not say, but they know when, whether, when they're with a man who, who's very prone to cheating, oh, yeah of course they know like you're very honest, a lot of women.

Speaker 1 10:09

A lot of women know when they're with someone that is cheating or someone that would do that kind of thing. So most women, they might deny it, but intuition deep down they know I don't know, I don't trust men in relationship or because you know what it is.

Speaker 3 10:25

I think society is doing a very, very good job at painting men as terrible people and I would say most are not right. You are like not. What do you mean?

Speaker 2 10:38

every time I call you like men cheat this is the thing.

Speaker 3 10:42

This is the thing I'm just going out like, because she said the same thing, but in a different way, like, let's be honest, 95 percent. I'm energy, like we know this girl girls like for me, you know, I say no, just ignore some shit. If he's a good guy, he looks after you and they ignore some shit because it's gonna happen. Be with the winner who cheats, rather than the broken. We cheat, that's all I'm saying that. I'm just being honest. It's the truth. Be with the winner. Who's gonna could? The? Both are gonna do it, both are gonna do it anyway.

Speaker 3 11:10

There we go and that's why, if they come to me and they say I've slept with him last night, I hear that, but even but let's be honest, in most situations, yeah, I feel like you lot are kind of saying what you're saying, which is you want to believe that he's proved. He's not, but you kind of know that he is can I be honest?

Speaker 1 11:30

I want to touch on the part where you said, um, if he takes care of you and yeah ignore some stuff.

Speaker 1 11:36

I feel like, yes, that that for some women, obviously that works. But I feel like you also have to think of the fact that the world has changed. This is not like we were like 20 years ago, where, like women had to like depend on being in a relationship to be any sort of like financially stable. So I think that's even why, like, have you seen the latest news? There's a decline in birth rates for younger women. So I think all of that adds up. I feel like before that has been that would have been more of a thing, but now I think we're going to see less of that.

Speaker 1 12:04

Like, of course it's going to happen, but I think it's going to be a lot less, because people are going to do what they want to do regardless.

Can People Really Change?

Speaker 3 12:09

Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but let's be honest. This is what I mean by. Society has done that change because for the most part yeah, I mean I would say, a lot more opportunities for you to out-earn men that's fair enough, but for the most part, you've just taken away men as a financial support and then just put the government in. The government is now the man, that's all it is. Most people are getting help from the government, so before it was obviously you need a man to support you. Now it's just the government's just supporting you. Nothing's changed. You're still being supported by somebody. So for me, it's just like all that's happened is that we just have less kids now. So we're gonna die out eventually, because not people don't want this to be said, but the truth is that's you. That's responsibility, babies, is a part of just you. Don't have to do that. If you don't do that, we will die.

Speaker 3 12:59

Our responsibility, I would say, is to make sure that things are safe. Now, society makes it us to believe that men are very, very terrible people. Let's be honest. The reason we're so civilized is because there's a threat of violence and men will come in and defend some shit if they need to yes, there is some bad people out there. Well, let's be honest, the police, the army, as a whole. I would say we keep the world safe because if something goes wrong, you're gonna call the guys to come and fix it war, or the police, or whatever. It is the baby side. You don't have to start having babies again or we're gonna die out, that's I don't know you're not gonna.

Speaker 2 13:36

You're not gonna get that, though. You're not gonna get that because, like that you said, society has changed, right? So?

Speaker 3 13:41

now, sorry, not gonna get what children.

Speaker 2 13:46

The reason for that is now women are working so hard and focusing their careers to make money, so they don't need men, so they ain't got time to make babies.

Speaker 3 13:54

But it's stupid, though think about it. Let's think about it for a while. I tell you what it's stupid. I gotta go to the safe place, I tell you what it's stupid sorry I had to say it, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 3 14:06

So basically, what you're telling me is you're doing something more often that you don't really want to do, right, which is working a lot, because I would say most don't want to wear, most men don't want to work, so I'm going to assume most women don't want to wear. You want to have purpose? Well, I wouldn't say you want to. You can't wait to get up and go and do that nine to five, like who wants to do that?

Speaker 2 14:26

I don't get it no one wants to do the nine to five. But at the same time you want to look at your bank account and think I can do whatever I want. I don't need to depend on anybody to help me. I can like right now. If I want to go on holiday, I can go on holiday, that's true. If I want to buy a new car, I can buy a a new car. I want to change my house, I can do that. But when you have a child and no support men nowadays there is no support they have a baby with you and then they walk away. They cheat on you.

Speaker 4 14:52

It happens with today's society.

Speaker 2 14:55

And why am I going to put my life on hold, not be able to live my best life?

Speaker 3 15:00

go on holiday drive, go on holiday, drive a nice car. Can I cut you off there, though? What? What is like? Because I hear this year and every time I hear it, and I'm not talking about you specifically, but when I hear live my best life, yeah, all I hear is I just want loads of dick. That's all I hear. No, I'm sorry, that's just what I hear.

Speaker 2 15:18

That's not what I'm on about, though that's that's you my best life is. I like to live in a nice house I like to drive a nice car.

Speaker 3 15:25

I'd like to go on holiday and you can't do that with a man but why am I gonna do with a man that's gonna cheat on me?

Speaker 1 15:32

because this is such like a big point to make. I feel like a lot of women before, back in the day. I feel like a lot of women pretended to be happy with the men that they were with. They pretended that motherhood. A lot of women sacrificed their careers, sacrificed their like, talents and what they were doing coming up. Trust me, I grew up in nigeria. If you think it's bad here in the west, I grew up in africa, so I know for sure a lot of women bad, what side?

Speaker 1 16:01

I just mean like the whole, like motherhood. If you think the declining birth rates are bad, well, like women being work now. But anyway, back to what I was saying. I mean like a lot of women gave up their careers, their lives, they moved away to be with certain men and a lot of them will not admit to themselves but they do feel like with children don't fill that gap. And I feel like a lot of women need to be honest about that.

Speaker 1 16:23

I don't't think there's anybody. Even as a man, when you're a father, you don't want your whole identity to be like oh my God, I'm a mom, I'm a mom, I'm a mom. But because society glorifies it so much, a lot of women feel like that is their whole purpose. And I think now when you take off the finances part, you see that a lot of women really don't even want to do it. Like if a lot of girls will not have a single kid with a man, if he cannot financially provide for them, because that whole appeal of like, oh my god, you're gonna have a kid who loves you, and this, that and the third, it's no longer there anymore.

Speaker 3 16:51

Like all right, I got two points about that I can accept.

Speaker 1 16:54

I can understand what you're saying there I feel like there's there's so much. There's so much truth to it, because a lot of women, even till this day, will not admit to themselves. But a lot of mothers, the ones that have been honest and come forward, a lot of them don't have. Don't have kids. Don't get married if he's not going to look after you, because eventually, what you think you wanted, you think you can keep together because that's what society wants you to be. But if you're an honest person and you like to live your truth and you don't care about being judged by society, you will find it like, very like you feel trapped.

Speaker 3 17:23

Essentially, you think life is all about happiness yes, I do you do, you don't think. Life is about duty no, I think.

Speaker 1 17:29

I think you I didn't. I think a lot of people make life like make life, or like they make life as an experience on its own, as if life on its own supposed to have negative connotations, like, yes, stuff should happen, but your life shouldn't suck totally.

Speaker 1 17:42

I don't believe in that and I don't believe in struggle completely, because this conversation can go on for ages I don't believe in like embracing struggle and saying, oh, that's just how life is, because it keeps a lot of people complacent, it makes them not want to do better. You see a lot of young people. They have ambition but they don't even try because of the words they've heard. The world is so scary, life is so like, for example I'll use myself for example I'm black, I'm a girl, I literally moved here from nigeria. The amount of things I've done and people will tell me like, oh my god, but it's not the kind of job for a black person, it's not the kind of place for a girl, it's not I hear that listen the world is this.

Speaker 1 18:21

The world is that I completely perspective, not what actually is I understand well, you answered.

Speaker 3 18:26

I asked you is life all about being happy? You said yeah, that's fine yeah so do you believe that men and women have a duty to society? And if you do think that, what's men's duty? Tell me what you think men's duty to society is I think I know what it is you tell me.

Speaker 1 18:42

I actually believe that men and women have a duty to society what's men's? I feel like men's is supposed to be like provision, protection and like structure.

Speaker 3 18:55

Women bring creativity no hold on let's focus on the men first. Yeah, so let's. Let's break it down. So men's duty to society right provision protection structure yeah, leadership. So yeah, yeah, I agree. You moved on to the women instantaneously. I'm talking about society creativity that doesn't really benefit. So I'm talking about, for the benefit of continuing society, what is women's duties do you think society?

Speaker 1 19:26

let me just ask you do you think society can move forward without creativity and innovation?

Speaker 3 19:30

no, but let's be honest, like and I know you're gonna rebut on it and I'm no what I'm saying is I know you're gonna say you're not gonna like what I'm about to say well, it's the truth. You said that, uh, women bring the creativity. But let's be honest, right. And I know you're gonna say, oh, you've been held back and I don't think it's the truth, right. But let's be honest 95 of the innovation in the whole entire world is done by men, like let's. And you might say, oh, well, no, well, we was held back and for the last 100 years, you've been able to do quite a lot, even if you want to say 50 years. The last 50 years you've been able to do quite a lot. Even if you want to say 50 years, the last 50 years you definitely could do whatever you want as women. Where's the inventions? Where's the innovations? Like, I'm not saying I haven't invented anything. I'm saying the things that have kept society going, the men have invented okay.

The Decline in Birth Rates

Speaker 1 20:19

Another thing is you do realize that a lot of things that men are the face of the women, a lot of women who initially created those things. We're not allowed to take credit for that. And then also, about now you have to also remember that what about now, though?

Speaker 3 20:34

because now you could take what last 50 years, you could take credit for it. Any invention that you made, you could take credit for it I feel like with how deep misogyny runs.

Speaker 1 20:43

There's going to be instances where definitely you can't take credit for it, even though, like, it's socially acceptable and whatnot. There's going to be instances where it's going to be more difficult for you so they make a man do it not like they make a man do it. I don't. This is like a, an experience I think only women can relate to. Have you ever been made to feel genuinely smaller just because you're a woman and because of the kind of environment that you're in, you can't say anything.

Speaker 2 21:07

I'm not here to like brag feminist rice or like whatever, but it's just the reality of what happens recently that's happened to me and it made me very angry because I thought the world's changed, yeah, and then when I went through that I was like you just feel like I was so angry I'm gonna put a pin in it because I'm going to be honest as a guy.

Speaker 3 21:26

I think most men in general look at women as what's the word I'm looking for a baby making machine see, I actually think that that is a very necessary part. That's why I'm going to get back to the duty thing, because, I agree, men are the protector, the providers. We are the ones to die if shit hits the fan. I agree, that's what should happen, that's our responsibility and that's our duty. That's very important to do now. So to get back on topic, you lots, in my opinion I forgot a point sorry, we're just saying you.

Speaker 3 22:03

You's duty to society is to make babies.

Speaker 2 22:06

You have to. We're going to die, but you're saying that last 50 years, what's happened to men then? What?

Speaker 3 22:11

do you mean?

Speaker 2 22:11

Men aren't being protectors. Yes, they are. No. All the men that I've seen are princesses, don't fall for the programming.

Speaker 3 22:19

I'm telling you now. The men are still the providers. If anything goes wrong and you call the police, it's the men coming. If war kicks off today, it's the men going not anymore.

Speaker 2 22:29

Yes, it is. So you're saying there's no women soldiers?

Speaker 3 22:31

that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying 95 of the soldiers in the army are men and the women that are in the. They're not on the front line, they don't want to be on the front line and they're not on the front line and they're physically incapable of being on the front line. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 22:45

I have a really really important point to make, please make the point Back to the inventions and men being in the army.

Speaker 1 22:50

When men are away at the army, they're training, they're doing structure, they're doing all this. They're going out into the world protecting and providing. Who is responsible for the family unit running women who, even if they might not even have children, who make sure that that man outside of work allows him to fully throw himself, yes, at work. And, mind you, in the past 50 years a lot of women have had to work and balance this emotional load again. So why is it such a shock that when you add that emotional load load of okay, if, if, if, parenting and family unit was so easy, why do a lot of men run away from being?

Speaker 3 23:22

we don't run away from it. It's not a natural thing for us to do, and no, no, no. Let me make this abundantly clear most of the time, the man is not running from the child, he's running from the mother why have a baby you? Don't, it was never planned but then it wasn't it wasn't supposed to happen. I'm telling you now, the men are not running from the child, they're running from the mom. They, they don't want the mother. I agree, I agree with that. It's the mother they don't want.

Speaker 1 23:47

But then again, I feel like, if you are truly, truly a man, like my definition of a man, I feel like your emotions you should be able to understand that you've created a child of somebody and, regardless if you particularly like that woman or you don't fancyathom anymore, you put on your big boy pants and you take up the responsibility. That's what being a man is, that's what providing structure is what's being running, running away. Is that I feel like a lot of women don't give us the babies to keep society going.

Speaker 1 24:13

That's why I guess that's not the only jobs, that those are, those are the only jobs.

Speaker 1 24:17

That's more important than that it's not about it's not about just raising the babies. I feel like one of the reasons why birth rates are really declining is because I just feel like women. Just why would you even like it? Just it just doesn't look like it's worth it. Like there's so many children who don't have parents in this world, or people who do have parents but they've been completely messed up by their parents terrible upbringings. People are growing up left, right and center with trauma, just the imbalance of having um lesser family units back in the day. So it's like why would, why would people want to give birth into that, especially in our generation? People are learning more. We have social media. We're learning from other people's experiences. Why would you see something negative, something that caused trauma, and then actively replicate it in your life?

Speaker 3 24:59

but the thing is you're saying that the something negative. I just wanted to. What's more important than having a child in the family? Tell me something more important.

Speaker 2 25:09

I think what you don't get from a woman's perspective is we don't want to be single parents, right, but this is why we're not having children. Hold on that's a.

Speaker 3 25:18

That's a separate topic. I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 2 25:22

I get it.

Speaker 3 25:22

But I'm saying I will just answer the question, though. The question is what is more important than a family unit and having kids? As a woman, what would be more important than bringing up your family? What would be more?

Speaker 1 25:37

important than that money is more important yeah another thing is that a lot of people like to act like as if women only households. It's not. It's like. A lot of people like to act like as if women only households. It's not, it's like a lot of people. There's a reason why the family unit was created. So when you keep referring back to the family unit, I feel like you're referring back to a dad just providing and all his job. All he has to do is bring in money and then the mom practically has to do all the raising herself. You do understand that a huge part of like a man or woman's development is having two active parents. Yes, it's not really to a two active parent household if your father only works and then everybody excuses him because he's so tired.

Speaker 1 26:12

But your mom works as well, carries the emotional work she's doing all the housework chores and it's just like cool let's pull the layer back.

Speaker 3 26:19

Let's pull the layer back. Yeah, because I've looked into this. I feel like this is really deep. No, it is. I've looked into this and the reasons to why this happened. Right, so I'm long story short. I'm gonna tell you why. Right, you now have to work. Okay, go to a safe space yeah, I'll tell you why you have to work now okay it started with a little thing called feminism.

Speaker 3 26:46

Yeah, that that is what started, right, and when you actually look into it, it was actually the men in the shadows basically egging you on to say, yeah, go into the workforce. And the main reason for that is for tax. They wanted to split up the family unit. So the women are at the house not raising the kids. That's why they're out chinging and stabbing and selling drugs. Yeah, and it's basically split up the unit and then they can now tax both people in the household. Before it was just the men, now they can tax the man and the woman. That's instantly doubled your money. That was one family unit.

Speaker 3 27:21

I think women are underestimating the value that you need to be there with the kids. I think it's as simple as this. The main goal. It's always been like this as well. By the way, it's never changed, even if you want to go back to when we wasn't as civilized as we are now. It's always been the same. We go out, we kill the saber-toothed tigers, we bring that back, we give that to you and then you deal with the family from what we've brought back. It's nothing's changed. Same with money now we go out, we get the money. You do you like that with that side? Okay, that's how it's always split.

Speaker 3 27:53

Okay, now you have to work. What you have to work is because all we went into the workforce, which lowered how much money you can make, which is why now both people have to work. Long story short, that's what's happened. Before you had to pay, there was less people in the workforce so that to be paid more, so you was able to provide for a family of two or three. The man was able to do that. Now that it's influx, then all the women are also in the workforce. They get paid less. Now it's split, so now both have to work. Of course. What else is gonna happen?

Speaker 1 28:21

okay, but, um, I also feel like um feminism the way women fought to work. Of course, do what else can happen, okay, but um, I also feel like um feminism the way women fought to work back in the day. I don't think if, if staying at home and being a stay-at-home mom was that great and just lounging all day and raising kids was so nice, and I don't think women would fight to work, especially when we dealt with so much. We literally deal with essay at work. That could happen to you and you have to take because you need to work.

Speaker 3 28:46

Essentially, yeah what do you mean I say at work?

Speaker 1 28:49

yeah, yeah people hitting on you at inappropriate times. You're trying to do your job and because, yeah, of course that can happen yeah, yeah, so it's like. So if um being a stay-at-home mom was so great and like depending completely financially on someone and men were so great, and do you know?

Men's and Women's Duties to Society

Speaker 3 29:04

that most women were against feminism back in the day, just that the feminist voice were louder. Women weren't interested. They didn't want, they didn't want the responsibility of the vote. They didn't want, they didn't want to go to work. You lot used to get more right because it wasn't on the record. It seemed like you got less well back in the day. You used to have female lobbies where you would say like you'd have groups where you'd get together and say you know what? We need a park here, we need a park here for the kids here, we need, we need this, we need this. And the men will go yeah, we'll have it.

Speaker 1 29:32

Okay, well, because it wasn't in parliament, you think you, you was getting a lot anyway, I don't get and um, did you also know that these same women because I feel like a lot of people glorify how women back in the day lived, but a lot of the literature, books or stuff like that, a lot of it has been destroyed? Did you know that back in the olden days it literally used to be poison houses, like proper poison houses? They'd run these businesses underground to help women get rid of their abusive husbands, because there's no way, even as far back as like when divorce was illegal or not thing.

Speaker 1 30:00

Women had to get rid of their husbands some way. So you're not. You can't tell me that you can't say that there is not a track record of men having abused the fact that they have financial power in the household 100% people will do that responsibility, because I totally, like, I'm quite traditional myself, like if, honestly speaking, I don't think it's a bad thing to like, submit, all at all.

Speaker 1 30:20

But the issue then comes is when someone doesn't want to do what would make you essentially want to do that, and they're demanding that, and then they don't understand that the world has just changed like no, you just can't have it the way you want it to, because that's not the reality that we live in right now, and I told you that before cool.

Speaker 3 30:37

So let's just say let's just do some numbers right, just so I know where you had that. Did you make a good point back in the day? Let's say, 10 households. Yeah, we've got 10 households. How many of those households have a husband that was abusing them? Do you think? I think probably six over ten so more so, just to just to clarify what you're saying okay more you're saying a majority of the husbands were abusing their wives actually give you a further tip.

Speaker 1 31:03

I've worked in health care for two years, yeah, straight, and a lot of the husbands were abusing their wives. Can I actually give you a further tip? I worked in healthcare for two years straight and a lot of geriatric care and a lot of women that I looked after I did what's it called, that one where you look after mothers that are giving birth. A lot of women that I looked after that had like dementia or like they were forgetting themselves. One key part of dementia is a lot of them begin to relive a specific part of their life. It was a very common theme that most women relieve, um, relive their moments that they've gone through like abuse in. So it's like you can't like literally it happens so often.

Speaker 1 31:37

You go to most women's care homes. They don't want a male carer around them. If you had short hair because I remember there was one time I cut my hair and you like basically tall, you look like a man. They don't want you anywhere near them and they have such like a vivid reaction to it.

Speaker 1 31:50

Another thing is like when you go to when, when you because I take care of kids as well you go to take care of kids and then you're you're, let's say, mom is at work, or something like that. Dad brings the kid in. He doesn't know the kid's birthday, he doesn't know the kid's allergy, yeah, he doesn't know anything about the kid and, mind you, this happens, or this is classic, like when dad comes in with a child, we don't even bother going to bother him with the information because we know he doesn't know it and, mind you, mom is not present because she's also at work, or she's also working, and when you like, because I'm speaking numbers and experience now, not just social media, when you add up the okay, so the frequency at which I was seeing that it. Does that not mean that there's a real issue? Also, a lot of women would come in to give birth. Their partners are acting absolutely disgusted oh my gosh, ill like whole time, whole time.

Speaker 3 32:35

I'm the one that's bleeding I'm the one that's, that's I would be. I feel a bit like that as well. I'm not sure I would want to be in there. I don't know.

Speaker 1 32:42

Maybe like giving birth, but but that's the thing like now I'm saying I'm not.

Speaker 3 32:47

I'm not sure I'd want, I'd want.

Speaker 1 32:49

I'm not sure I'd want to be even if you don't want to, it's just. It's not even about the act of giving birth itself, but also like the way they just act so icky around health, like they say all these marriage in sickness and in health, but like the second, you can't do anything for them, they assume.

Speaker 2 33:03

No, it's actually a lot just to be clear just to be clear this is why no one's having kids with you.

Speaker 3 33:10

No, no no, cool, cool, cool. Listen. And and I can get onto the men, because I believe that the men are also failing. Don't get me wrong, men. Men are also failing, but the main reason why men are failing is because the lack of masculine presence around them. This is why most men are failing. There is no more male leadership anymore and that's why they're failing. So it's just. What I'm saying is it's a circle. So the women, so the men. Let's just say the men will sleep with someone they don't want a kid with.

Speaker 3 33:37

The woman decides because she has all the power. The man can't decide. You like, decide if you're having a kid or not. The man has no say. So that's the great power that you have. You can decide whether the kid's born or not born. So with great power comes great responsibility. Shout out Spider-Man. So that means, if you have that, you decide. And if you decide to make that choice, I believe that's fine. You can make that choice.

Speaker 3 33:59

Now you're a single mom Cool. Now you're a single mom. Cool, now you're a single mom. If you have a boy, he is going to be an emotional boy. He's not going to be a man. No, no woman can grow up a man. You don't. You're not wired like us, you don't think the same as us. You need men and because there's loads of single moms, for whatever reason. So the men are also accountable. Don't get me wrong, they are also. What I'm saying is that loads of single moms growing up basically boys, so then they're going out doing the same thing, making more single mums because there's no masculine presence around. And I'm saying it's a circle. So this is why we are where we are.

Speaker 1 34:35

I agree with what you're saying.

Speaker 3 34:36

Well it started from the pill back in 1960. That's where it started. Back in the day you would be more cautious on who you're sleeping with, because yo, I'm not trying to have a baby with that dickhead, so I ain't opening my legs to it. Marry me or there is no, that's what it is. That's why 80% of women were virgins on their wedding day. I'm not sleeping with you because I might get a kid and I don you because you're a dickhead. That's how you think. Now pill abortion, open up to everyone, doesn't matter. And then there's a mistake he don't want you because you're a hoe. Now you're saying it's a circle, it's just a crazy circle.

Speaker 1 35:13

Okay, I feel like you're like the only perspective that obviously I don't know if this is a vape, but the only perspective that you've come at me has been like the only part of the single mothers. How about the older men? One thing, another thing that I observed when I was looking after older people a lot of men, they claim they're so this and they're so great. How come, when they're old and they're frail and they're sick and they're dying, some of them, their kids don't even give a heck about them. It's always the wife that's there. And if they're not married, if they're not married after like a lot of them that like to go and have babies with different women, if they're not married and they have kids with just random women, the kids don't care. That's true. The women will remarry or they just stay single, but they just won't care I agree with that.

Speaker 3 35:50

Well, this is the thing, this is the sad thing, right, that the women will never understand. Yeah, especially if you are a provider person. Yeah, if you're a provider, especially now in 2025 if you're a person, you can provide a household and your woman doesn't need to work. You are not going to be around a lot. So the kids the kids are obviously going to be more infatuated with the mother because the dad is not. So, basically, what I'm saying is is the dad is providing in the shadows. The kids don't understand that he's the one holding all this shit up. They don't know he's not around and there's and obviously there's nothing that we could do about that, because we have a burning um drive to.

Speaker 3 36:30

Basically, we have to provide. If you're not providing as a man, you're seen as a failure. If you're not providing as a woman, you're not seen as a failure. You can be a stay-at-home mom, it doesn't matter, society doesn't care. Well, if you're a man and you're not providing, you are a failure and I agree you should be providing. But if you're going to be providing, you're not going to be around a lot okay, but I don't think so the kids are going to like the mum better.

Speaker 1 36:49

It's what it is, it's not about what the kids like it's about. Is that a good enough? Is that a good enough excuse to you for you to barely know about your child? To the point? Where you don't know anything about the child. I don't think that's an excuse. I think, yeah, you can work.

Speaker 3 37:03

So if your car breaks down, do you not have to change the tyres, the oil? Do you know where the garage is? Do you know how much the garage charge? We have our own duties.

Speaker 1 37:10

The same men that claim, oh my gosh, like providing so much work. I think we're having like two girlfriends on the side.

Speaker 3 37:25

Yeah, whilst married and with kids, and it's like, oh, we don't have time to do this. How long do you think?

Speaker 3 37:27

the average man lasts in bed Five minutes. There you go. So we've got a good five minutes to go and see you here, come out there and go home. We've got five minutes on the way home. That's the truth of it. But I understand what you're saying and I think that you are better in that department, so I don't get why. So the kids part is what I'm saying. I'm sure the guys, if they're proper guys, they should know their own part. Where's the main electric in the building? Where did you cut the water off? How much is it to repair the car? Repair this? When do you need to change the brakes? When do you need to change the?

Speaker 2 38:02

That's the side he should be doing. 90% of guys nowadays don't even know none of that.

Speaker 3 38:06

Why not?

Speaker 2 38:07

Can't even put screw on the princesses.

Speaker 3 38:09

Why not?

Speaker 2 38:10

Because they've been raised. Why are they princesses?

Speaker 3 38:11

I'll tell you that Because they've been raised by single.

Speaker 2 38:16

But then where's the man?

Speaker 4 38:17

Obviously, if I'm a single.

Speaker 2 38:19

This is why why we're not having children. That's what my point is as well why am I going to have a child? I've got a solution. What's your solution?

Speaker 3 38:26

I tell you every show I've got the solution. I tell you this every time. I've told you a good. Three times I've told you this is what you need to do If you do not want to be a single mum. Secure the commitment before you open your legs. That's what you need to do I get that.

Speaker 2 38:44

Last time we spoke about that I said I can't get all the women around the world to put our hands together and all agree that we're not going to do this. If I'm look at me right now playing hard to get and I'm single, and then my friends who sleep around with whoever they've got loads of men around them so you see the problem now, that's what I mean. So if you're doing, it right if you're doing it right.

Speaker 2 39:04

If you're doing it right and there's no guy that's interested, you're not going to have a child. Now are you going?

Speaker 3 39:08

to try and make money. You've just got the problem now. You've just got the problem.

Speaker 2 39:13

Yeah, but I can't help the society.

Speaker 3 39:15

No, but what I'm saying is you see, the incentive, listen.

Speaker 2 39:24

I'll tell you what I know.

Speaker 3 39:25

What would I rather choose as a guy? Yeah, five baddies or one.

Speaker 2 39:33

Five obviously.

Speaker 3 39:33

There you go.

Speaker 2 39:35

That's why women aren't having kids, because a good woman who wants children, wants to have a family, doesn't want to be a single parent. They want to raise their kids in a good environment, like a family, doesn't want to be a single parent, of course. They want to raise their kids in a good environment, like a family-based environment. And if I can't have that, then I'm not going to have children, because that's selfish of me to say my duty is to have a child as a woman, but my child's not going to experience having a family unit. That's not fair on my child, I agree. So, therefore, so, therefore, until a guy steps up and doesn't act like a princess and actually acts like a man, I'm not going to have children, and that means I might be 50 and not be able to have kids and for him to not be a princess and to be able to stand up and be a man.

Speaker 3 40:14

What does he need? I don't know, I'm not a guy you know, what does he need to not be a princess. What do he need to not be a princess.

Speaker 1 40:23

What do men need? He just needs to I just told you a lot, essentially just be a man but no, no.

Speaker 3 40:28

Where does he learn that? He learns that from other men, right? So you need other men, is my point.

Speaker 1 40:34

I actually do. I do actually agree with your point of like saying that, um, if women don't want to be single mothers, they just shouldn't like do anything. But obviously you can't like just like she said, because she makes a very valid point. Whilst that could be like textbook correct or whatever, you cannot put a limit on to what other people do. You can only, sort of like, control your own okay, circumstance so then can I just say the truth then? Because clearly, this is the truth then, this is the truth.

Speaker 3 40:59

Hold on, this is the truth. Then, based on what you just said and what and you agree with me. So based on what you just said, basically, women want to fuck and they don't give a fuck. They don't care, we want to fuck, that's what it is okay, I want to.

Speaker 2 41:11

I want to actually be able to find a guy who wants to marry me and have children with me and start a family with me. But I can't find one.

Speaker 3 41:17

Why would he marry you if he can sleep with the five baddies?

Speaker 2 41:20

well, that's the point exactly, so you understand.

Speaker 3 41:23

The cycle is what? Why would he? I don't. We don't need to marry you no more, because you can get the vagina without marrying you and that's why I said to you I'd rather make money and live my best life.

Speaker 2 41:31

Why am I gonna wait around for a guy that's gonna?

The Problem with Modern Relationships

Speaker 4 41:34

cool, well, not appreciate a good woman back to uh cool.

Speaker 3 41:39

So back to what I was saying to you. Why are women um able to just fuck now and not have a lot of consequences? Because, I said it earlier, you rolled your eyes. Why are you able to do that?

Speaker 1 41:51

of course, like it does, dates to date back to like contraception.

Speaker 3 41:55

I think that is because that's science facts 1960s and then what correlate what went up with the 1960 pill? Single, single and what else abortion, single uh parent households, all these things another thing, another point.

Speaker 1 42:12

I feel like um people.

Speaker 1 42:14

Individuals are different, like let me just like this whole thing of birth, birth rates declining. You have to understand the way every single individual views life. It doesn't just come from. It comes from how they grew up, what they saw growing up people. They didn't grow up people back then that wanted to have kids. They didn't grow up in an era where there was social media, where there was phones, where there was entertainment. Like, honestly, in this world I feel like the one.

Speaker 1 42:39

It's very silly to say that someone cannot have a fulfilling life or have somewhat happy life without having children. Because technology, entertainment, you can actually do so many things that you could have never done 100 to 50 years ago and a lot of people don't want to admit it. But a lot of people had kids because they didn't know what else to do. They thought that's what they were going to do. If you ask a lot of parents, ask people what went on in their childhoods and stuff like that, you see a lot of parents were actually not fit to be parents. You've been wondering like why do you even have a child in the first place? Because you don't even want to raise a child? But what I'm saying is it's unrealistic to expect that in this society, with the amount of entertainment there is, the amount of stuff there is to do, just new stuff, technology there's if you want to have a million hobbies till the till you die essentially there's more than enough stuff. No, but it's true.

Speaker 1 43:20

Like we're not bored anymore, we're in a world where, like no, I feel like we're in a world where external stimulation is so much and within the next 10 years I'm in the tech space it's only going to get worse, it's only going to expand and grow bigger. So I feel like it's unrealistic to compare what, like what people were doing back in the day to now. Because there's so much, a lot of people can't even focus on the inner compass because of how much destruction there is in the outer world. So it's not outlandish to say I can't lie, I get why people just want to like, want their kids.

Speaker 3 43:51

I rebuke what you said, though, and the reason I do yeah, because, firstly, I think that there was a lot more competent parents back then than there is now the day parents were.

Speaker 1 44:07

Parents were definitely better back in the day, I think a lot of millennials.

Speaker 3 44:08

They don't a lot of like. If you, when I say back in the day, I'm talking like back in a day, not like 10, 20 years ago, because this, this shit's been going on for a while back in the day, there was a lot more competent parents.

Speaker 1 44:17

But I'm telling you now kids were going up there.

Speaker 3 44:19

Kids had manners they had, they they manager.

Speaker 2 44:23

I agree because it was scared.

Speaker 1 44:25

I agree because it's coming from.

Speaker 3 44:26

It comes from parenting.

Speaker 2 44:27

That's what I'm saying that manners you could slap a child.

Speaker 3 44:30

They respect yeah, but well exactly, they respect their elders. They were contributing to society. They ain't doing that shit. Now they're out there chinging that's what they're doing now and then, and tToking and twerking and doing OnlyFans at 18.

Speaker 1 44:45

That's what they're doing now, because the parents are not there guiding them. I like to argue, I like to argue that all these things, like all these things that you see, like ORF and prostitution, and all these things.

Speaker 3 44:55

No father.

Speaker 1 44:56

I think a lot of these things have always been around, but now social media obviously has given it like, obviously it's platform, it's easier. Yes, it's literally the oldest profession in the book.

Speaker 3 45:07

Just a quick question then. You think there's more prostitutes now than there was back in the day.

Speaker 1 45:13

I don't know.

Speaker 3 45:14

In your opinion.

Speaker 2 45:16

It's more on the surface because of the platform they've given it on social media, to just be clear, I just want to answer. It could be that it was contextualised. To just be clear. I just wanted to answer. It could be that it was contextualised In your opinion.

Speaker 3 45:26

I want the question answered In your opinion, do you think there was more prostitutes now? Do you think there's more? And prostitutes I'm throwing in online, that's prostitution, Only fans, that's prostitution. I'm throwing that Sex work, basically. Do you think there was more sex work back Back then or now?

Speaker 1 45:41

Now I honestly don't know. I feel like it's always been around.

Speaker 2 45:45

Oh my, it's because back in the day you were like you had to stand somewhere and now you can do it online. No, you were shamed. Fair enough, fair enough, no, I'm saying and like people used to have proper brothels and houses where they do it.

Speaker 1 45:55

I do agree. I feel think the number has gone up, but it's only gone up like socially, like on a surface level. I feel like even people that do it, and do it full time, they sort of repackage it. Like repackage it, they don't, they don't, they don't openly say it's S-word, like it's a different kind of package. I'm being so serious, like as a woman, you will know you will of them so basically saying, most, most women are sex workers no, not most women are sex workers.

Speaker 2 46:24

No, but it's easier to make money that way for most women, like now, when you say to someone oh, I'm not coming out, I'm broke. Well, why don't you join only fans and make some extra cash all right.

Speaker 3 46:32

So let me just get this clear I just need to make this clear key because, because you're another man in the room, I just want to win 2025. I'm gonna 2025. I'm going to tell you mine yeah Key, we're in 2025. There is more options to do anything in the history of mankind for women. They can do whatever they want more than any point in history ever. And what are the juniors to do?

Speaker 2 46:59

more of Holy fans, thank you, yeah, I just said that's one of the things, like you know, I've had it so many times where I've said, oh, I need to do another job or find another job to make extra money. And they're like, well, why don't you just join OnlyFans, it's easy. I'm like, well, I'm not going to do that, but it's so easy for people to do that because it's so easy to make money and as I'm selling pictures, and videos.

Speaker 3 47:21

What I'm trying to say is that you can do anything now and most women are choosing prostitution. To me, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 47:28

Easy money.

Speaker 3 47:29

That's crazy to me.

Speaker 2 47:30

Yeah, but I get that. But at the same time you've got to understand that the ones that do it online, they don't see it as prostitution because they don't see it as.

Speaker 3 47:40

I'm sleeping with anybody. Yeah, a, I can agree with that. And content creators essentially I can agree with that. They don't see it as prostitution, but it is so. It is what it is, okay but how?

Speaker 1 47:48

about the men that also do OnlyFans, because I know a lot of them do OnlyFans.

Speaker 3 47:53

I think. I don't agree with it, but I do think it's a bit different. I do think it's. I just don't think that men and women are even the slightest the same. We're not the same. I believe that for you lot sex.

Speaker 2 48:06

You think it's weird though.

Speaker 3 48:07

It is weird, it's a double standard, but it is what it is Like. The same way, I'll say I think no men, shut up. You should be providing, you should be protecting. It's the same way. I can say the same thing about women. Is that essentially for guys? We have to. It's our job to build our social status? Basically, yeah, yeah, and it's up to you like to protect yours. You're born with it, protect it. So if you're giving it out to everyone, all the men, and sleeping with everyone, you're losing.

Speaker 1 48:33

You're losing the sexual value okay, can I just ask a question? You can. If being intimate or having more experiences with different men reduces my value, what does that make men?

Speaker 3 48:44

I'd like to ask you first do you think that many women are the same when it comes to like sex?

Speaker 1 48:48

I feel like I don't know the answer to that question because obviously I'm not a man, I'm not, I'm, I can't answer as a woman, like you as a woman I feel like a lot more women are polygamous in nature than they like to admit, but obviously I don't know what that means, sorry, because, okay, so essentially I feel like a lot of women.

Speaker 1 49:05

They actually don't how would I put this? They actually don't really care, like she know. The same way, they say men essentially like multiples, but it's like women also, some of them actually like multiples. But because of love, yes, and we do. We are presented with more options all the time.

Speaker 1 49:24

Ask any like, let's say, like any middle man, like any middle, like, let's say, middle class family now, and like the woman is like very attractive looking, great body, great looks, and she, let's say she works a job at an office or something like that. Ask her men with way more money than her husband are going to be constantly hitting on them. She is going to to find certain traits in them attractive. They'll be willing to do stuff for her. Let's say, even her husband is not on his toes. They'll be willing to do stuff for her. But because of that duty, that loyalness, which is another thing that a lot of women are, a lot of women are dutyists, even in friendship. It's not about love or whatever. If you think about the relationship that your mother has with you, a lot of women are nurturing and that's just. That's just what it is I can't.

Speaker 3 50:03

I won't put my mothers into that category because me as a, as a guy, your mother is the only one who will love you unconditionally, exactly nothing else.

Speaker 1 50:11

Yeah, but I'm just saying that you can't say that you women naturally don't have that nurturing. I don't think it's true.

Speaker 3 50:17

I'm sorry I don't think it's true and the reason not wait?

Speaker 2 50:20

the nurturing okay, sorry, sorry just the nurturing.

Speaker 3 50:23

I agree with the nurturing, yeah, yeah yeah, because you did say that you said a word that means that they want multiple partners. I don't think that's true. I don't think women naturally want multiple partners. What you lot want for the most part is to find the best guy and have him. You don't want multiple partners. Your body doesn't even allow you to have multiple partners are interested in that exactly.

Speaker 2 50:41

Are they the? Majority or the minority nowadays from the girls that I see majority majority of women want multiple men.

Speaker 3 50:48

What I don't mean because we got to understand what we're saying here I don't mean most guys, um, are not providing everything, so I'm going to get different things from different guys. I'm saying if you was to actually find a guy who had had everything as in like, so the reason why the multiple men thing in 2025 is because that guy will be the money guy, that guy will be the sex guy, that guy will be the guy that you can talk to when you're emotional. You're basically just separating into different guys. So I understand that what I'm saying. If you were to find a guy who could do all those things, you would not seek out multiple partners I think the reason why women have multiple partners now is because, like you said, we care, we fall in love.

Speaker 2 51:30

We exactly so, basically, when we're with a guy, we care too much for that guy, that pushes the guy away and we ultimately lose the guy. And when you have multiple guys, your feelings aren't for that, for that one person. So you end up not having feelings for any of them and, like you said, yeah, they're for different reasons that you've got them, however, you're not catching feelings either you don't like any of them. That's my point it doesn't matter you just don't want to catch feelings. You want to have the men there cool.

Speaker 3 51:56

Yes, because you're hypergamous, but I need to make it clear what I'm trying to say. Those guys, you've got horrible things for you, don't care about them guys.

Speaker 2 52:04

I'm talking about. You can't find all the qualities in one person nowadays, but if you find 80%, have that guy.

Speaker 3 52:10

But that's a separate story. What I'm saying is if you were to find that guy, you don't want multiple partners if men were to find the perfect, yeah but that's because that's because of love.

Speaker 1 52:21

that's not necessarily because of intimacy or anything, it's more hypergamy than love.

Speaker 3 52:26

I'm just saying that If a man wants to find the perfect woman perfect ass, perfect tits, quiet, don't argue with you. We're still going to cheat anyway. Oh, okay, not we, but most are still going to cheat anyway. Because the way we categorize sex is different to you lot. You lot don't categorize the same. We can sleep with someone and literally not care. Some women might be able to do that, I don't know. I think that if you can do that as a woman, you've been desensitized and you've probably had a lot of dick. You can do that, but you're not built to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 53:05

That's why they do the five guy thing, because when you do the five, guy thing, you do lose that side of you where you catch feelings, artists.

Speaker 3 53:10

Now, and you're a woman, I cannot be honest you keep saying wired.

Speaker 1 53:12

I just want to correct something. You keep saying wired, but then again you have to understand this thing when you're neuro neuroplasticity, because although you are wired in one way, if it's something that you continuously practice you will change eventually. So it's like. But you're saying, oh, women are not naturally wired. Where it's like if let's say, I started doing something at 16, that part of me is dead already, you can't say, oh, I literally, I literally just said that I said.

Speaker 3 53:35

If you are desensitized to it, it's because you've had too much.

Speaker 4 53:37

I don't think so if you can just sleep with a man and not care about him.

Speaker 3 53:41

That's not normal. For I'm telling you, there's something, there's trauma, there's there's something wrong with you. I'm saying there's something wrong with you, though, is what I'm for a man to do it. There's nothing wrong with him, he's just a man and for a woman to do that there's something wrong with you you shouldn't be able to do.

Speaker 3 53:55

That actually brings me to another point but I just want to respond to what you said. You're a woman, so you know, even if you're dealing with them, five guys, five guys, five guys ain't getting the vagina, though. That's what we, that's what we do know, and you're yeah, but you know because.

Speaker 2 54:09

But what I've?

Speaker 3 54:10

seen. Let me explain. All five girls are getting the dick, though that's the difference.

Speaker 2 54:14

But nowadays girls do do do that, and the reason why they do do that is because if they sleep with one person, they're going to end up having feelings for that one person and then sacking the rest of them off. That's how women work, listen to me, and that's why they sleep with all of them Out of that five, so they don't catch feelings for none of them.

Speaker 3 54:29

Out of that five.

Speaker 2 54:30

Yeah.

Speaker 3 54:30

There's one who you want to commit to you.

Speaker 3 54:33

Stop lying, I don't know, I'm not that girl, I'm just saying Whoever you five guys, one of those guys, you want him to commit to you. He just doesn't want to. So maybe you spread it. But you want one of them to commit to you though. If I've got five baddies, I'm trying to keep them five baddies as long as possible. Mate, I don't really I. I I'm happy. You don't want, you don't want me to commit to you. I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad you've been freeing up vagina and you don't want to. Commitment, that's fine, I'll keep the five. Okay, you want one of them guys to commit, though. He just doesn't want it.

Speaker 2 55:05

I don't know when I spoke to one of my I've seen this from one of my friends and when I spoke and I was like, do you not like have feelings for anyone? Just let them go. And she said to me she goes. No, that's why I sleep with all of them, because that way I'm not catching feelings of them and I can sack them off as and when I want cool, or yeah, she just doesn't rate them, which is another thing.

Speaker 3 55:25

Maybe she don't break any of them but that's why women do it nowadays.

Speaker 2 55:28

They go with guys that they're doing because they're not going to get hurt by them.

Speaker 3 55:31

Cool but what I'm saying is, if you do like him, you're not really trying to sleep with other men, is my point yeah, I agree with that. But if a man likes you, he probably still wants to sleep with other women I'm trying to highlight the differences that's sickening, but we're just.

Speaker 2 55:47

We're different, that's the same way that's mentally like, I feel like a lot of men think they're so different to women.

Speaker 1 55:53

But I think when you hear conversations from honest women and I'm not talking about, oh, just a group of girls, I'm talking about different women like when you hear actual, actual girl chat a lot of girls want to like a lot of girls who have boyfriends or like are engaged. Some of them, like will be on vacation or see a cute guy on holiday and, honestly speaking, they want to do it, they want to go ahead with it, simply because he looks good. Don't rate him.

Speaker 2 56:15

I don't think so don't rate I'm not being funny but long term with you, man, we don't rate you I think a lot of men like they overrate women's like how far women I keep reiterating in 2025 because we're in a world where there is genuinely too much distraction when I

Speaker 1 56:35

say there is too much distraction, there's too many other things to do. I think men of these days they underestimate how much less women care for like romance, attention, because even remember that thing. You were talking about the numbers game as well, and and quality as well. A lot of them you, they think it's still where like oh my gosh, the fact that guy is interested in you is the biggest thing ever. Like no, the girl is out here getting money.

Speaker 3 56:56

Yeah like what? Yeah, this is the thing, yeah, this is the thing I actually now, because I the thing I actually now, because I understand what you're saying, but this is what normally happens and this is the thing. It's such a wild. Do you know what the wall is, Do you?

Speaker 1 57:12

know what the wall is. What's that you never heard of the wall?

Speaker 3 57:15

No, what's that? All right, so I'll explain it to you. I'll go into a safe space. Today. I don't think they've been introduced today, which is kind of mad, but you know, maybe we do. At the end he's supposed to remind me he didn't. So I can somewhat agree with you, right that, ladies, when you're young, like 20 to like 20, maybe 5, 26 you're like, you have a lot of options that you can. You can play the field. You can get this man to bring you to a yacht. You can get this man to take you cinema. You can get this man to take you for meal. You can get this man to bring you to a yacht. You can get this man to take you cinema. You can get this man to take you for a meal. You can get this man to just send you some money just because you got ass, like I get it still do it cool.

Speaker 3 57:51

But what I'm saying is, as it gets, as people get older, that attention goes down right and then after that that's when we hear about the crying I want to settle down. That's what the wall is right. But that happens very, very regularly. So I get you. When you're younger, you maybe you want to do that, but 30, 35, heading to 40s, you ain't trying to do that, no more. You're trying to settle down with a guy.

Speaker 1 58:14

That's the truth I don't think so, and another thing is that I feel like a lot, of, a lot of men think women are one way and there's only one specific kind of woman I think there's women who genuinely, I don't know, have you seen tracy, tracy, ellis ross, diana ross's daughter, the one that that she? A lot of people act like she wasn't chosen in her life, but she literally just decided to take a role.

Speaker 1 58:34

I think it's so okay like nobody married her, she didn't have any kids, essentially, and people, every single time she's been interviewed, they try to make it out to be like, oh, tell us your story, tell us, tell us what else you do because you're not married, you don't have kids. And it's like a lot of people don't understand that it's not everyone, like I feel like women will not say, but some women genuinely don't have maternal instincts. I don't think it's. I don't think every single woman is. I don't think so. I don't think every single woman is. Why the same?

Setting Standards vs Being Realistic

Speaker 1 59:00

I think there's women who, like we're literally just here to be like you know the, the aunties that travel a lot and they really have kids, like they're really good at other stuff and they like to pour their energy into like friendships. Yeah, like a lot of these women actually live to have happy lives, they have fulfilling friendships and stuff like that. But like a lot of them are just not maternal and they'll probably be great at work or they'll be great with other people's kids, but like they genuinely just don't want it. Like it's okay, that's my only. Just like let's encourage the difference and not just like band women together. There's women that want a family. There's women that want a career. There's women that want to do only only fans, and that is their choice. There's women, there's women that literally just want to work, travel and just and just not have. Some women don't even have a pool romantically to men. They're not gay, but they. That's why we have nuns. Do you know what nuns are?

Speaker 3 59:47

yeah, some women just don't have a pool to romance this woman that you're talking about? Does she have kids? No she has no kids, she's never been married. Okay, would you say, that's the majority.

Speaker 1 59:58

I don't think most women want that, that life I think I think if a lot of women were given choice and they didn't like feed us, because a lot of this feeds back to fairy tales and all that rubbish. I'm going to start you there. Stop, stop, stop, okay.

Speaker 3 1:00:12

I want an answer Then, after you answer, then you can tell me you can qualify afterward. Okay, so this is a yes or no answer.

Speaker 1 1:00:20

Do? I think a lot of women want to live most women want that life.

Speaker 3 1:00:23

So no kids ever, never get married and you're 40 by yourself. You think most women want that life with the right amount of money.

Speaker 1 1:00:29

Yes, I'm telling you like so many women, like I feel like a lot of women are actually so when the millionaires come out?

Speaker 3 1:00:37

when the millionaires are coming out, the men and the women are coming out saying, look, I bought every car possible. Yeah, there's, there's still something.

Speaker 2 1:00:45

There's something missing I think I agree with you on that, and something's still missing, do you?

Speaker 1 1:00:53

know what's missing.

Speaker 3 1:00:55

Family, companionship, relationship. That's what's missing. I agree, and look the numbers, tell us me. Women I don't the men are also as, not as, happy, but women, by their numbers, are more not happy than they are right now than there was back in the day. More antidepressants, more unhappy, more suicide, even though the men suicides like five times what the women did. What I'm saying is universally both people are not as happy and the only thing that's changed from then and now is that we're no longer together in marriage or relationship, or family.

Speaker 1 1:01:29

That's not the only thing that's changed as well, technology has also changed. Technology has a profounding damage on relationships. These days, you go on dates and on friendships as well, like in person. Yes, it has its benefits, but people like it's.

Speaker 2 1:01:48

it's normal for two people to be in a relationship and they could be there together for three, four, five, six hours and not talking they're on their phone, yeah.

Speaker 3 1:01:52

So you can't say like, oh, it's no, no, no, no, no either way. But you're bringing up technology, and I agree. But all technology has done is just made it um, I wouldn't say easier, but just made more reasons to break up, but it's still the same thing. What I'm saying, what's missing, is that we're not sticking together and there's no family and there's no marriage and there's no commitment anymore. That's what's missing.

Speaker 4 1:02:10

I agree with you. That's the only thing that's changed.

Speaker 3 1:02:12

What else has changed? And I feel like we're making more money than ever. Our lifestyle is better, more everything. Why are we less happy?

Speaker 1 1:02:22

Is it the family unit? Is it that the family unit has been destroyed or women have been given more choice? Because I feel like the whole reason why the family unit was so quote unquote perfect is because women had less choices and women basically couldn't pick. They had no choice but to succumb to societal pressures.

Speaker 3 1:02:39

I'm going to say something crazy Key. Key. I'm sorry, key, I think you should have Left choices. I'm gonna tell you what I lowkey agree. I think You've been given More choice than ever and you've destroyed yourself. You're doing OnlyFans. You're taking more Anti-depressants. I don't agree.

Speaker 4 1:02:58

The more choice You've been given.

Speaker 3 1:03:00

It's actually been destructive. There's no family, no more. There's more single mums. You're on birth control, fucking you up. You're on more antidepressants. You're not married. No man wants to kick you around and just want the vagina it's actually worse than it was back then.

Speaker 1 1:03:13

Okay, another thing that also leads to that.

Speaker 2 1:03:14

I don't think you see the bigger picture, though, exactly, and I'll tell you what the bigger picture is from like one lens and like one point of view.

Speaker 1 1:03:21

Another thing is like ladies. Can I just say though, I am a man, it's difficult for me to see, but then again, it's not about just being a man, it's also about studying the environment and what is going on around us, and also, like you can't I keep reiterating that you can't compare like back in the day to now it's so, it's like a whole different era why, because everything's different. People work differently, like way, even like people's the clocks that our bodies were on back in the day. I'm just going to interject.

Speaker 4 1:03:49

I'm just going to interject because there's a few things that you're missing here. I don't know if we've done the introductions as well.

Speaker 3 1:03:55

I haven't. We'll do it at the end.

Speaker 4 1:03:57

We'll do it at the end. But what you need to is. The only reason why it's different is because of greed and power and money. So if you, if you miss out greed, if you miss out power, you miss out money. Guess what happens war, war happens. Guess who fights the wars men. Guess who stays home to protect the household women so who do you think? What do you think is going to happen when a war happens now? What's going to happen to all the women who haven't got families?

Speaker 2 1:04:24

they're going to go to war they're going to go to war.

Speaker 4 1:04:26

They're going to die you know, what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 1:04:30

I'm glad you said that because I've got to say something more crazy not only.

Speaker 3 1:04:33

I think you should actually have more choices. I actually think you should have more choices because I'm actually deep in it. I'm like the fathers are the ones that made sure that. You know maybe, maybe you don't entirely love this guy, but you know what? He's a good guy and I think he'll look after you and keep you out of trouble and protect you and give you a family. Now the bad boys are hitting and the drug dealers and then you're becoming single moms make you the ones you are choosing are just ridiculous. Don't try. And then later on, then you want to settle down with the nice guy who can give you provision and that. But the bad now all the Tyrones have all hit. Now they're the ones you picked before. So and lastly, all the.

Speaker 3 1:05:16

I have another question so you don't pick that. The ladies have the bad boys first, then settle down no what my question is you're a liar? Sorry, she's a liar because she's on the show and said that she's a fucking liar nowadays.

Speaker 2 1:05:31

I'm sorry, but what's a bad boy going to do for a girl? Thank, you a girl, no, no, no, a girl who's on OnlyFans. Yeah, doing that. What would they want from a drug dealer?

Speaker 3 1:05:39

so why are the drug dealers still fucking more then? Why are the nice guys still finishing last?

Speaker 2 1:05:43

Who says that the drug dealers don't?

Speaker 3 1:05:45

The nice guys are finishing last. Don't chat rubbish, don't Are they finishing last? I?

Speaker 2 1:05:50

don't believe that, because I don't feel like the drug dealers are getting anything nowadays. They're not.

Speaker 3 1:05:55

Why are there single mums?

Speaker 2 1:05:57

Why are there single mums? I'll tell you why.

Speaker 3 1:06:00

A nice guy would leave, would stay with you or leave you when they get your paper.

Speaker 2 1:06:03

I don't think, like you said, if all guys are going to cheat, yeah, 80% of the guys had to leave because they've cheated on the woman.

Speaker 3 1:06:10

The woman's found out and booed him no, no, no, but the thing is with us yeah we're loyal it's just that 80% of you cheat.

Speaker 3 1:06:24

I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying, yes, they might cheat, but they're not leaving you. That's the side piece, the difference with women. When you cheat more times, you're probably going to go with him Because you ain't. Are you cheating? For the most part, you ain't cheating down. Let's be honest. Women don't cheat down. For the most part, I don't cheat down. For the most part, I'm not saying never what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 1:06:44

for the most part, you ain't trying to cheat down, I think back in the days, our days, like us, that are in our 30s. Yes, the drug dealers are doing really well with the ladies, but nowadays I don't think 2025 any girl will be interested in that. Okay, can I?

Speaker 3 1:06:57

it's the crypto guys. Now it's just changed the script the crypto guys and the and the um digital nomads. Maybe the drug dean isn't that with as much they're not winning, but the roles just changed okay now script all guys okay.

Speaker 1 1:07:12

So my question is when like a girl, when a girl sets like standards for herself and she says okay, I'm not dating unless this is x, y and z, people don't like that.

Speaker 1 1:07:21

They think, oh, you're asking for too much you know why and then when you now do, and they will, and they will claim us because, oh, you're not, you're not a high value woman yourself. But when a girl sets a standard she's like, okay, I'm not dating, I don't want to have kids unless I'm being treated a specific kind of way, that's a problem. But then when she goes ahead and has kids with men who are basic, or like a man who's successfully tricked her essentially, or where she goes and has kids with just anybody, then you're a single mom, you've made the wrong choice, you've done this, that and the third. But then, in the process of trying to make a right choice as well, you're constantly told that you're doing too much, your standards are too much. Be realistic.

Speaker 3 1:07:55

You're being dishonest. You're being dishonest.

Speaker 2 1:07:58

How.

Speaker 3 1:07:58

I'll tell you why you're honest. The reason why men have a problem with that right, with what you just said, is that you want to say that after the tyrones have hit, after the toms have hit, after everyone's hit, now you want to put standards on me. He, he gave you. Why do you think? I think because you know why do you know?

Speaker 3 1:08:19

why I think that pov is quite narrow, I would say the average body count now is between 10 and 20 or even more, or even don't even know. There ain't no version, there ain't no one to five bodies. So that's how I know that you're freeing it up because the body count is high, so you're freeing it up, so the body count's high. So if someone was to come to me, right, let's go into a safe space. If someone was to me, a woman, and I could generally verify this yeah, that maybe you've slept with one other person and it was a long-term relationship and your standard was the same with him than it is with me, I can respect that and I'll say yo, you know what, that that's your standard and you've universally always had that standard. That's fair, fair enough. But when the tyrones have hit after giving one shot or giving buying you a coffee, and then you want to, I have to go on five dates. I'm not having that.

Speaker 1 1:09:06

Okay, okay, can I ask you another question After a?

Speaker 2 1:09:08

long-term relationship that's failed.

Speaker 1 1:09:10

My standards aren't going to be that Exactly, and I think, I think honestly that is I think I think you should do.

Speaker 3 1:09:16

You understand everything you just said. Should have them standards.

Speaker 1 1:09:21

I don't think you should be letting anyone just hear yeah, I mean you should have them standards, but then again see where your point juxtaposes itself, because would you rather I continue doing what has got me hurt or would you rather I now do something that is going to actively contribute to a happier and healthier life, not just for myself, but for the family that comes from me? Because it comes from me, because what you're saying is oh, um, after you've let the tires, of course, like if, if, let's say that has happened. The whole point of that happening and you growing up is to learn from it, because if you don't, you're basically going to end up like the single moms that you would, that you don't like and it's contributing to society have been dysfunctional that is a very, very, very good point, but what I will say is this yeah, either, because let's say it happened.

Speaker 3 1:10:05

How many times can you be bamboozled before people before I just start saying that you're stupid? So let's be honest. Let's say it happened once. You know what you're saying. You've been bamboozled once and then you can have said, yeah, you know what. That ain't never happening again. So you're on one now and that ain't hitting the left. Take me seriously. I can respect that, but not hold on. Bamboozled once, okay, let's try again. Bamboozled twice, let's try again. This is the 10th bamboozling still going. Now we're on 20 bamboozles. Now you want to say my stand is at 20. You've been bamboozled 20 times. Is that what you want to say? But or is it just you don't want to be fucking and it's not consequences, so you want to be fucking, and later on I'll get the guy.

Speaker 1 1:10:50

Which one is it another thing is it 20?

Speaker 1 1:10:52

bamboozles, or you just want to be fucking the first, the first point that you did make. You can extrapolate that to almost every other thing in life. When, like obviously some, I think the relationship, when people being bamboozled over and over again obviously circumstances are different, sometimes they are people genuinely lie a lot now, um, yeah, that's that's. That's. That's just. That's just one of them, that's not everything. And another one is that a lot of people don't actually have a great idea of what love is or how that looks like, so a lot of people go around until they reach that point where they're like okay, this is a pattern this is, yeah, exactly exactly what's this what's this?

Speaker 3 1:11:31

what's this?

Speaker 1 1:11:32

people, anyway, tell me how you can tell me a lot of men can you lie about this? Another question you can't lie about this another you know why?

Speaker 3 1:11:43

another thing is a hell of a big liar is a hell of a big problem to get out of that mate. Big problems okay.

Speaker 1 1:11:48

Okay, if you say that is not a valid problem people failing at one thing because I'm not looking at it at just relationships and stuff yeah, but when you look at the bigger things in life, it's normal. It's not like as if they don't know what they're doing, but it's normal for someone to genuinely fail at something multiple times, like a lot of people being self-aware, it's almost like because of how much content is out there and information.

Speaker 1 1:12:10

If you're not self-aware, it's almost like a stupid. But then again there was also a time where this was not as like. A lot of people were really walking around with terrible behavior, not even being self-aware.

Speaker 3 1:12:20

So it's like hold on. Okay, hold on. I just want you to honestly give me an answer. Yeah, because I asked you a question. You didn't answer what was? The question the question was this what do you honestly think that it's 20 bamboozlings? Or they just want to be fucking be honest?

Speaker 1 1:12:39

who knows, I don't know.

Speaker 3 1:12:40

I can't answer that educated, educated guests, because, because you just don't tell me that we want to want to be fucking five man, what you told me, that the one that like, the one that that.

Speaker 1 1:12:51

That brings me to the next point that I was going to say, because it can be a mix somewhere along someone's journey. It's not for me trying to justify, it's just in reality. I'm someone who, like I, never see something from one point of view, because everyone is different and they're a specific kind of way because of the upbringing that they have, because of their life circumstances. Your point of view and my point of view cannot be the same, because we're we're you're a man and I'm a woman. Yeah, it can also not be the same because, for example, you grew up in the west and I grew up in africa, so we're constantly you and another individual are constantly going to have different stories so it's always exactly.

Speaker 3 1:13:23

Is it a mixture of bamboozlings?

Speaker 1 1:13:25

that the thing. It's going to be different for every single woman. There's going to be some women that you meet genuinely it's bamboozled 20 times, yeah and then there's going to be women that you meet Do you know?

Speaker 3 1:13:34

how to say it's true, what? Okay, do you know what? Let me change what I'm saying. Do you know why I've come to?

Speaker 3 1:13:42

that what you're saying is not true. It's because I think maybe I think I probably interviewed like 300 women, maybe maybe even more, on the same show, right, and I'd say 90 of them when I've asked them, right, hugely, free up quicker with, yeah, the guy you want a serious relationship or the guy that you know is not going to take you seriously, and they've all said the guy that I don't really like are free up quicker.

Speaker 2 1:14:12

That's not true.

Speaker 3 1:14:13

So I'm just telling you, 90% of them said the one that I actually like. I'm not going to feel up quickly because I want him to see me better and you know what Also used to stop the bamboozling back in the day. I keep bringing it back in the day because it's very, very important. Do you know what used to stop the bamboozling? This is what used to stop it. This stopped the bamboozling. We stopped it. No, you can't go with him because he's got a motorcycle. You need to go with him. He's got a good job and he's got a suit on.

Speaker 1 1:14:48

Go with him. I agree with all your points on how the like reduction or like the decrease in fathers has affected society. That's what I remember. Back to family structure. I was telling you, women, even a woman, does not need just her mother, she needs her fathers. You remember when you, when you asked me, what's the what, what majority of the things that men provide in family? It's structure. Like a woman, a lot of women, like our moms, a lot of us, our moms, are a lot less strict, they're more, they're more eager to listen.

Speaker 1 1:15:07

But then again, I also believe that you also need structure in your life. I don't believe that you, everything in life, is just free, like you need some structure but you also need some freedom. That's why there should be that balance, that's why there's yin and yang. And another thing again, I don't believe necessarily in true or like, false or right or wrong, because, again, everyone's experience is different. What is true for you is going to be true for you because of your experience and your reality, but what is true for another person is going to be different because of the experiences they've had in life and because of the reality that they face. Reality changes and shifts depending on who it is. It's not one fits all. We might live on earth at the same time, but we don't all experience the same thing. So, true, I don't agree.

Speaker 3 1:15:46

I don't believe in grey area, I believe in black and white.

Speaker 4 1:15:48

I disagree with that, because you know if someone murders a child it's wrong, right?

Speaker 1 1:15:51

obviously, I feel like, obviously I feel like if you that's just you trying to cheat my word.

Speaker 3 1:15:57

No, no, no obviously.

Speaker 4 1:15:58

I feel like that is socially acceptable it's not acceptable.

Speaker 1 1:16:02

Acceptable and unacceptable, I feel like the word true. Like you saying certain things now, I don't know how, what do I even want to?

Speaker 4 1:16:10

explain, so I won't do it down. Then I'll give you a proper, a proper analogy then okay right.

Speaker 4 1:16:15

So if you know that you're sitting down and your your, your partner's right next to you the day before he's pissed you off, he, he's absolutely made you so angry so you're eating your food. He sat down, he hasn't had anything to eat, but you continue eating, you continue eating, you finish your food and you go about your business. Do you think that's wrong for you to do? Do you think that's the right thing for you to do?

Speaker 1 1:16:38

I feel like that is emotionally inappropriate to do. Emotionally inappropriate, that's wrong, essentially so, because that's wrong.

Speaker 4 1:16:44

So again, I just want to direct that. So do you think it's right or do you think it's a wrong thing to do?

Speaker 1 1:16:48

I feel like in that instance it's wrong to do to your partner.

Speaker 4 1:16:51

Okay, so you know there's a difference between the right and wrong. You know there's a difference between. You just said it, right there. Okay, so you know that the way that society is now is incorrect, right? If you're saying that it's not incorrect, then I can give you multiple examples of why it's not incorrect. I can give you multiple examples from the years gone by. In 10, 15, 100 years goes why it's incorrect, and we all know why it's incorrect, because everyone wants to be have their freedom to how they want it, not to what is right. I'm just saying, and that's the basis of it. I'm just saying, when the men are in, charge.

Speaker 3 1:17:32

It didn't happen. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 1:17:35

I disagree with the whole men thing, because women have played a large part in making sure that society ticks and men are strong enough to lead properly, and women hold up a lot of the leaders that we have today.

Speaker 1 1:17:49

Check most successful men they're married A lot of men could not lead a thing.

Speaker 3 1:17:55

I agree. I'm saying the women are not to lead. No, I'm not saying you did. I'm saying that's what I'm saying. When the men were leading, it was different. Yes, support. I believe that if you've got a good woman next to you, yeah, it's the ultimate support mechanism. I've always said that on most shows. But the leadership, no, no. Making the final decision, for the most part, no suggestions. Yes, well, the re and but. The thing is, though, a lot of men are not good leaders either yeah, that's the problem.

Speaker 2 1:18:24

do you think we don't want men to lead? We would but bring the men why are they? Not, because, like you said, they've been raised by single mums. I've just told you. Whose fault is that? It's the man's fault for walking out on their son 19th century.

Speaker 3 1:18:37

I just don't tell you what the problem is.

Speaker 2 1:18:40

I get what? Sometimes you gotta put it, don't let him hit.

Speaker 3 1:18:43

No, he shouldn't be hitting because you've got. You've got more to lose. You've got more to lose. He can fuck off. He ain't got nothing to lose, you've got more to lose.

Speaker 4 1:18:52

I have another question. Go on, I have another question.

Romance, Provision and What Each Gender Needs

Speaker 2 1:18:54

Keep it like this, because you've got more to lose, so can I just say from a woman's perspective yes yeah, there is times throughout the year where it's like christmas or easter, where we like, oh, I wish I had a family, like I had children, I was with a guy. But then the rest of the year we think, well, you know what, if we're gonna have a guy and they're gonna leave a single, that christmas or that east is not gonna feel like you've got a family unit. So we, we continue to close the legs, but no one's going to want us because we've closed these legs.

Speaker 3 1:19:29

Why.

Speaker 2 1:19:30

Because there's women that's given it. So you're saying do you know when you were saying earlier?

Speaker 2 1:19:34

you were saying would you rather so? Do you know? When you were talking about relationships and you said if you're with a guy who wants you, or the guy that you like or the guy that you don't like, I personally, personally me. The mistakes that I've made in life was I fell in love with a guy because I didn't want to lose him. Like you said before, if you don't give it to a guy, the guy's going to cheat on you anyway.

Speaker 3 1:19:53

What do you? I don't, I'm coming.

Speaker 2 1:19:54

So what I'm trying to say is what I'm trying to say is with women, when love with that guy and you don't want that guy to cheat on you, but that guy's not going to put a ring on your finger because you can't force him, right exactly.

Speaker 3 1:20:14

Can you force him? No, no, you can't. How else would you keep him? This is the. This is the one of the biggest misconceptions that women have here, because I I tell them a lot. You do realize, right, that you have to convince him to marry you. How, wow, this is the thing and this is what I'm, not something to be. So in him as well. You don't know what men want. We know what you want. Whether we give it you, it's a different story, but for the most part, because men are always after you and chasing you, you've never had to learn what men want, because they're always pursuing you.

Speaker 1 1:20:41

Anyway, I feel like you just like I understand what you're saying but honestly I feel like that's because of the dynamic of the relationship that both of you have created, because I feel like if two self-aware people, there's no way that nobody accepts that they genuinely just didn't put in that work. I'm sorry, a relationship takes too much effort. Yeah, for two people in this day and age should not have sat down and have a conversation about what do we want and what do we come from? What do we want to come from this, that being and a man, for him to be doing all these things and not even like he's not hearing anything from the woman's ends, but he just continues anyway yeah, that is your responsibility and that is your fault that is your fault did you say, did you, did you say you wanted to get married?

Speaker 1 1:21:20

no, no, let me, let me get.

Speaker 3 1:21:21

For example, let's do this guy that you're saying, did you say? Did you say, I want to get married?

Speaker 2 1:21:24

Yeah, you did.

Speaker 3 1:21:25

Yeah, Okay. And in your opinion, what? Why was the reason you didn't want to get married?

Speaker 2 1:21:31

The same reason that I said earlier. After a while, when we, when you're with someone where they're like, oh, we have to be together for a couple of years, you know, see how we get along. This is what men say nowadays why, I don't know, I'm not a guy. They don't know how to come in.

Speaker 3 1:21:44

I can answer I love them for a while.

Speaker 2 1:21:46

Answer.

Speaker 3 1:21:47

One of the reasons are is we don't feel we're financially ready to look after a family. One of the other reasons are we have to vet the woman because now in our days, you can have a train running you like last week and be on like 50 by the time. I'll be so real. I'm telling you that they can.

Speaker 2 1:22:04

Okay, so what happens after? What happens five years down the line?

Speaker 3 1:22:07

Because you know why they don't tell you why? Because it's going to piss you off. I want pussy, so why am I going to piss you off? I'm just going to say, nah, I don't care about that, sleep with you and then ghost you in a six month time, or just never take you seriously which is what happens to most women. I'm just opening the curtain to let you know what men are doing. Most men lie to you because they want the vagina it's not.

Speaker 1 1:22:34

It's not about that. I understand what you're saying, but then, like you're, you're particularly talking about women who are not quote unquote like what society would quantify as good. Women like these are people that do whatever they want or whatever. But why is it that men still willingly, like they, still willingly also do these same terrible things to women, whether you're perfect or whether you're cheating, leaving them so like essentially?

Speaker 3 1:22:56

no, no, no, cheating I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take cheating out because I okay, essentially not let's say, not giving stuff, look really bad.

Speaker 1 1:23:05

No, no, listen, listen, listen listen.

Speaker 3 1:23:07

The reason I'm taking that out here is because I know that and women will never understand this is that eventually he'll calm down and he'll be like you know what? It's not even worth it anymore. I can't even be asked to change. It's different. It's actually quite like straining to chase with it. You lot are very complicated, but eventually you'll calm down. I'm saying during that period where he's not calmed down, there's nothing you can do. Yeah, if, if an opportunity presents itself to stop him from cheating there is no, I agree with that.

Speaker 3 1:23:37

I actually that's why I'm taking it out.

Speaker 1 1:23:40

I agree with you. I don't think that's like what you said now. That's like what you said now. Yeah, I think you said something about how you have to successfully vet these women and stuff like that. Why I say I don't think a lot of men care is that when men want to marry a woman, they know who exactly they want. They know. I'm telling you that it doesn't matter, and I think you would be lying to yourself if you asked your male friends. It doesn't matter if she's a textbook good woman, it doesn't matter. She doesn't matter she doesn't know how to cook, it doesn't matter. She doesn't want this. If he wants to marry her and he says that's the person he wants to spend the rest of his life with, he will make sure that every single other area of where she falls lack is filled and they can get on with it. Do you get what I mean?

Speaker 3 1:24:19

so it's like we see, because we see do you think that we're in an environment now where we can be like that? Because back in the day I 100% agree that people could get married in like six months. But do you think we're in an environment now where a man can be very stupid enough to marry someone within six months?

Speaker 2 1:24:34

I don't think we're in that no, but you didn't even complete the whole scenario where you said you need to vet a woman see if she's been with anybody let's say you. You've met a woman five years down the line.

Speaker 3 1:24:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:24:44

You're financially in a great place with the woman because you both worked hard to be where you need to be. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to tell you the truth what happens.

Speaker 3 1:24:50

I'm going to tell you the truth, right that most men won't say Right, and women just think that there's no reason. I'm just going to tell you what's the reason You've got the perfect woman. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 1:25:24

play women regardless. No, no, no, no, no, no. I want to tell you again, I'm going to say it again and hopefully you absorb what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 1:25:31

If he thinks he's got the perfect woman, he will marry you.

Speaker 1 1:25:36

And what do you think makes a perfect woman? What I'm saying is, if he's not marrying you he don't actually want the responsibility. They want to enjoy the benefits of having a wife, but they don't want to to um now or back then. Now, now I can somewhat agree there's, I think, I think a lot of men. They want that. They want to come home to a home-cooked meal, but they don't want to actually put in the effort to actually sustain a household, be like a present father. And another thing is you can't even be.

Speaker 3 1:26:11

Do you think most men I'm talking about when they're married now? Because I would say in a marriage men sacrifice their happiness more. What I mean by that is women are more inclined to divorce because they're unhappy, whereas men won't. They'll stay unhappy if everyone else is happy. They'll stay unhappy.

Speaker 2 1:26:33

If a woman's unhappy, she'll leave that's why there's so many single mums out there yeah, she'll leave, but the man will if he's unhappy.

Speaker 3 1:26:39

If everyone else is happy the kids and the wife's happy he'll carry on going do you know why?

Speaker 2 1:26:44

the man, even if the man's not happy, because the man's getting his food on the table, his clothes washed, but he's not happy obviously that's not making him happy, because he's not happy. But that's what I mean. So he's not doing anything to make the woman happy. So if you've got a happy woman, you're going to have a happy life.

Speaker 3 1:26:58

No, no, no, I'm saying that, or he can see that everyone else is happy. He'll continue. He won't leave.

Speaker 1 1:27:06

I don't believe that I believe, I believe, that is like I think I don't think that is true, because a lot of women if you hear what a lot of women have put you know a lot of women suppress a lot of trauma. Like a lot of women they will casually just say something what's the most sorry to cut you off?

Speaker 3 1:27:23

what's the most important thing to men, do you think, in regards to like your partner? What, what is the most important thing? What would be the most important thing to him? For you as a woman, to provide to him sex right?

Speaker 4 1:27:36

do you know how many?

Speaker 1 1:27:36

sexual marriages there are I know I think, I think they said it goes down even when people get married. But what I'm?

Speaker 3 1:27:45

saying is that's, if that's the single most important thing, that proves my theory, Because that's the most important thing to men and there's I think I think it was 60 or 70% of marriages are sexless. He is not happy, but he's still in that marriage and women divorce most of the time. Is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 1:28:03

Because, the women want the sex too, but it's not there.

Speaker 3 1:28:05

No no, no, no, no, no. What I'm saying is sexless. Come on sex. When we say a sexless marriage, it's the woman not giving sex to the man. It's not the other way around. For the most part, I don't. I don't think. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 1:28:15

I think I think when you don't put I think it's people like to write it black or white as like, oh, she just doesn't want to give up. But I think genuinely this even happens in relationships not just marriages when you genuinely both of you put less effort into your relationship and you're not actively doing things to remain like, like I said, there's so many distractions in this world, you're not actively doing things to spend time together, or you're not making time for yourself, or you guys might have financial issues or like. It's just always something and you have to understand. When in long-term relationships like marriages, a lot of people have seen each other through different seasons, resentment builds up over time yeah, that's another thing.

Speaker 1 1:28:51

It's not about just doing your part so if that's one thing men need to understand, yeah, what's important to women no protection and provision.

Speaker 3 1:29:00

That's the most. You will not take romance over protection and provision, I agree. You won't take. You won't take right romance over. I agree so you're you. They're the most two important things to you. So if he's still doing that and sex is the most important thing to him, no matter how you feel, you should be providing sex because he's still providing his part.

Speaker 1 1:29:18

I don't know about that because I feel like so can he give up when he don't feel like it, but then because there's no spark.

Speaker 3 1:29:30

I don't understand so if there's no spark, if he's unhappy, can he not fulfill his side of the deal? Okay, so is that the?

Speaker 1 1:29:35

only thing that is, that would you say that it's not about it being the most important I said, is that the only? Thing? That's the most important okay, so and I'll tell you what let's say that is like I don't know. Let's see that makes up like six.

Speaker 2 1:29:48

Let's see that makes like 80, 80 but why would why would the women want to get divorced then, if the protection is so important to them?

Speaker 1 1:29:57

because they can do one well.

Speaker 2 1:29:58

Why are they unhappy?

Speaker 3 1:29:59

because the romance isn't there, the love isn't there. The government takes on, no, the government takes over with the protecting and the provide. The provision okay. So why would?

Speaker 2 1:30:08

you need a man for me if I'm with a guy if I'm with a guy and the guy's not taking me on dates anymore at the start of our relationship those dates date nights would come home.

Speaker 2 1:30:18

Yeah, obviously after a date now you'd like to have sex or whatever, but you, you were looking after that woman. Yeah, you're romantic. And then that dies down after a while. The woman feels cold towards you, doesn't want to do anything with you because you're not romantic, cool why would I want to continue providing the provisioning if you're not giving me blowjobs anymore? Same thing because you're not. The women are romantic people. They want to be taken care of women are not romantic, men are romantic I don't think so no no, mate, men are romantic.

Speaker 3 1:30:52

You want the romance. You're not the romantic um gender. You want the romance. We're the ones who do the sprinkle, the petals and the candles, and and we do that. You don't do that. Okay, can I please birthday. You don't do that my, my point.

Speaker 1 1:31:06

My point is that, okay, you remember you said that men and women are structurally different. Yeah, and if, for her, all she requires is that emotional closeness and like feeling like there's no, let me tell you now there's no single woman. I don't care how much a woman says oh, she cares that she's provided for, a lot of women will lie to you. There is no woman that does not want to feel like he has eyes for only her. There is no.

Speaker 3 1:31:32

Yes no, sorry, I didn't understand what you said.

Speaker 1 1:31:35

I feel like a lot of people. A lot of people say like oh, it doesn't matter, as long as he's like providing or whatever. But the whole part of being like a woman is like I'm being in a relationship. You want to feel wanted by the part you want to feel chased.

Speaker 1 1:31:47

That's why, like in the beginning, in the beginning of the relationship or the beginning of whatever marriage, that's why it was very steamy and hot. A lot of women want to be chased after. Like, if you even go back to history, men are primal, primal beings. That's what they call it right? So when that stops happening, make me feel wanted, exactly. And I don't.

Speaker 1 1:32:04

I don't care what any woman says, no matter how much money her man has, no matter how well he's doing, if he constantly cheats. When you see the amount of money, when you see the gifts and stuff like that, obviously you'll be able to like, comport yourself, cry with the dollar bill on your hand, but like, eventually you will start to feel distant. There's no, that's why a lot of women, when they get older, a lot of them want to go and, like you see some of them, they'll genuinely divorce and want to go and just go on and start dating younger guys. You can have a stable life. There's, there's like that. Like I said, a lot of people act like the only fulfillment women want in life is motherhood, and that is not true it's not it's not I feel like that's the most.

Speaker 2 1:32:39

It's not like I was with you. You were the richest guy and you provided me money, security, but wasn't giving the love. What do you think is going to happen? I'm not going to.

Speaker 3 1:32:47

I'm not going to get rid of you because you're giving me the money, but I will cheat on you and get the room. I'm somewhere, exactly, listen, listen, listen, you're absolutely right, you don't need too much. And on that note, the show is over.

Speaker 2 1:32:58

You want?

Speaker 3 1:32:58

to you, you want the sex you've got to put photographs into it.

Speaker 2 1:33:02

We just want a blowjob, that's it. We just want a blowjob, you ain't going to get it for free, are you? Can you imagine that? This on a scale, this on a?

Speaker 3 1:33:17

scale needs romance, needs everything.

Speaker 2 1:33:21

All he wants is a blowjob.

Speaker 1 1:33:23

If women had more financially stable options. If women had more financially stable options. If women had more financially stable options, because with a lot of women, the one thing that keeps them in certain relationships is because they can't leave. Let's say, if the roles were flipped and we're to go back to how things were before, where men were making a lot more money than women, that was better. I'm sorry, I don't. It's not about whatever's better or worse, but point blank simple.

Speaker 3 1:33:43

It was better when you couldn't leave a lot of women now.

Speaker 1 1:33:45

They don't, they won't step out on their marriage because, oh my god, this guy's already doing this for me will the next guy do so so it's like if the roles were reversed finances, you not adding the love and the personality and being there present.

Speaker 1 1:33:57

The only thing that you have to provide is finances and that's why, when it gets to a certain point, okay, I did. Now I'm 50, I have savings, I have investments, I don't need you anymore for the rest of my life. Of course I'm gonna like for some women, this is how they reason I don't need you anymore, you're not bringing me.

Speaker 3 1:34:11

I might as well, I might as well, divorce you.

Speaker 4 1:34:14

I'll give you, I'll give you a scenario here. Yeah, so you got same man, but he gives you two different options.

Speaker 3 1:34:21

I was literally about to ask this question so they're gonna like he's his way so the first option here.

Speaker 4 1:34:28

He's very attentive to you, so when he comes in from work he has a nice conversation with you. He breaks down everything about how he feels, all that kind of stuff he makes, then makes sure, after he finishes his food, with you. Having that conversation, he has some time with the kids. Before he comes back to you, starts rubbing your foot, takes out a little present that he got for you, like a little pen that you like or something that you've, you've, you've given little antidotes that you like, I don't know a perfume or whatever. It is something very small, but something meaningful to you. The one thing you can't do is provide you with a home that is warm. So it's very cold. You have cold showers and a lot of the things that you have there are from the bargain bargain bucket very, very, very, very, very open, hard working man, but it doesn't, can't provide you with anything, can't provide you with lifestyle at all okay, can I?

Speaker 3 1:35:28

can you're gonna lie, it's all right. No, let me give the second option.

Closing Arguments and Show Wrap-up

Speaker 1 1:35:30

I'm gonna be honest, no woman wants to be in that position, because I think every single woman wants to be provided for okay that's, that's the truth about it, but then again, but then again, let me also give my point. People have different opportunities.

Speaker 1 1:35:43

Let me, let me this is where being different comes. People have different opportunities. A girl, or like a woman, who has grown up with always having things her whole life, she is more likely to like, like. If that is the standard that has been her whole life, why would you want her to do?

Speaker 3 1:35:58

that disagree so you'll go on instagram and see the g-wagon and you want the g-wagon too. Let's be honest, even if you never had that lifestyle. You still you want that lifestyle. You want the jets and the G-Wagons. So even if you didn't grow up like that, you still want that anyway.

Speaker 4 1:36:12

So why are you fronting like you don't want money, Money. But do you know? The thing is that scenario. I understand that scenario, but if you love so much.

Speaker 2 1:36:23

If I know my man's struggling and he's doing all of that for me and my kids, I will step up to help, to keep my love for how long? For as long as it takes. This is what I mean. I feel like. I feel like so many men lie these days like must be paying bills. I feel miserable every day. Why would I want to be with a rich guy feeling miserable? Have no feelings towards him.

Speaker 3 1:36:45

Why don't women date down then?

Speaker 1 1:36:48

I feel like women don't date down. Yes, they do, all the guys.

Speaker 2 1:36:52

I've been with have been brokies, like you say well, I don't know. I agree with both of you. I tried my best. I tried my hardest did you make up with them no, I tried my best.

Speaker 3 1:37:02

Did you make up with them?

Speaker 2 1:37:04

one of them show the show end the show end the stream.

Speaker 3 1:37:08

No, it's true, this is what I mean.

Speaker 2 1:37:10

You don't want to know the truth.

Speaker 3 1:37:11

You say something, but the truth comes out, you're not going to take it. Sorry, we're finishing up now. You broke up with one and the other one broke up with you? Yeah, he was a brokie they both were you let a brokie break up with you yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 1:37:22

What the fuck. So we need to hear this story again, but there's a lot of touch points.

Speaker 3 1:37:29

I've actually enjoyed this show, to be fair. It's been really hot in here yeah it's very hot and I'm glad that the AC stayed on, but I've actually enjoyed the show. It's been a good conversation. Yeah, so you know how it goes. So say how you think the show went and then introduced well, kind of introduced yourself and then put on your social media as well shay.

Speaker 2 1:37:48

I think the show went great, as always, um, and my social media is shay underscore savette on tiktok.

Speaker 3 1:37:55

Please follow me she's looking for a man no, okay, she's not looking. No a broke man yeah yeah holla at me yeah she loves, she loves it she loves a bro key, all right, and you knew Good, good, good guess, man, you've had some, you had some good debates, you had some good, you made some good points.

Speaker 2 1:38:14

You did.

Speaker 3 1:38:15

Good point. I'm undefeated still, but you did make some good points though.

Speaker 1 1:38:21

No, she did defeat you, we'll let and I'll note it down alright, but yeah my name is Natchi and so far I enjoyed the show and I think it went well. All my social media is Natchi in 4k N-A-C-H-Y with two Y's and I in 4k if you've got this far into the video, make sure you subscribe.

Speaker 3 1:38:38

Leave a comment, leave a like what you think about any of the things that we've discussed today. Us today. That's the end of the show. People, peace.