Zeze Mills CRAZY Hot TAKE! Men to blame for being FALSELY Accused!? | CC POD EP 171

In this episode of the Cancel Culture Podcast, Zeze Mills shares her controversial take on false allegations and accountability between men and women. The panel dives deep into whether men are truly at fault for putting themselves in risky situations or if the rise of false accusations reflects a wider social and cultural breakdown. What starts as a debate about discernment quickly turns into a heated exchange about trust, gender politics, and modern relationships.

The discussion tackles the question few are brave enough to touch: are men responsible for the women they choose, even when things go wrong? Some argue that men must learn to spot “red flags” and take responsibility for who they engage with, while others fire back that blaming men for false accusations is unfair and dangerous. This clash of ideas exposes the double standards and confusion that define modern dating culture.

From social media behavior to personal accountability, the panel doesn’t hold back. Zeze Mills defends her stance, while the rest of the cast challenges her logic, pushing the conversation to uncomfortable but necessary territory. Whether you agree or not, this is one of the most intense and thought-provoking discussions the show has ever had.

Transcript

Opening Fire: Stereotypes And Accountability

SPEAKER_10 0:00

A lot of black men can't do nothing for themselves. They just always want a woman to do something for them. There's always 101 negative about black women. But there's billions that you can say positive. I actually think that black people are more racist now.

SPEAKER_06 0:11

As soon as a black person isn't allowed in a nightclub, they always say you're racist.

SPEAKER_03 0:15

We all try to pretend that Africa and the tribes weren't fighting each other before the Europeans came. We had slaves anyway. And then we sold the slaves to the Europeans. We need to fact check that.

SPEAKER_11 0:23

For the fact check, there's a book that you can get. It's called The Slave Trade.

SPEAKER_05 0:26

What do you think about pretty privilege? It's misleading. It's a real thing. When you come on a night out, yeah, you get everything for free.

SPEAKER_03 0:32

Men are meant to buy your drinks free because you're a girl, but you believe in equality. Tell me how you can pick out someone who's gonna hit you with a fake grape case.

SPEAKER_06 0:39

You can see that she's tapped. No, you can't, bro. Look at the eyes. You're saying that you can tell someone by the eyes, which I don't believe at all. Can you look at me a second?

SPEAKER_03 0:50

I don't get that.

unknown 0:51

I don't.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Yeah, so we've got an unusual thing this week, yeah, because I've actually got a clip that I've responded to. I've got the person from the clip on the sofa, so that's a good thing. Yeah, we uh we sorted that out. So um we're gonna talk to you. But the first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna we're gonna watch the clip. Yeah, it was recently about the Ginger J thing and you know, about women's hair, etc. etc. And um, yeah, we'll watch it and I'll have a back and forth with with the Sunray. Maybe we'll agree, I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 1:24

Who knows? Victoria Everest, I suppose, for lying about being great. Many black men are in an uproar. Like, how come black women are not going hard like they did with Ginger J to get him cancelled? Yo, I beg you to be in the room. When it came to Ginger J, it was black women who organized, galvanized, and led the charge. Where were you? Our sisters have been on the front lines of countless movements carrying emotional and social burdens that should have been shared. Where were you? The troopers, many black women see Victoria Everest as a part of the very group of women that black men choose over them. The so-called exotic women that are glorified and prioritized. Yo, these are the gals that black women have warned you about. The ones that weaponize femininity and proximity to whiteness that harms us all. Now, when one of those same women lies about something as serious as grape, you expect black women to be the angriest on the front lines, fighting the hardest. Why should they be the ones to carry the weight, especially when they've been ignored and dismissed for raising those same concerns? Black women understand the danger here. Feeling like a setup, a situation that could be used to easily discredit all women, especially black women, when they come forward with real experiences in a community that is already scarred with high rates of sexual assault. It's just gonna be I don't believe her, man. Remember that thing that Victoria errorists, yo, these girls are crazy, man. You can't trust them. This is not just frustrating, it is triggering. Yes, it ruins our life when we have been accused of something that we did not do, and it also ruins her life when she has been a victim of something that she has been through. It's not a competition, it's two different extremes, and both of them should be respected as pain, as hurt, and harm to our lives. Funny thing, yeah, black women are back in this, but we just got to lead. Stand up and be a man. I wasn't even going to speak in this because my thing is about speaking highly of our sisters. But I'm not going to allow a group of disgruntled, self-hating black men to weaponize the situation. Stand up, be a man, and let's deal with the thing. If you're looking for a helping hand, is that the end of your own arm piece and hair groups? Victoria of hair grease.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

You know, listen to it back now, yeah. I've even I've got even more questions, yeah. Okay. So you said that um tropical women are like prioritized over and glorified. Like, can you explain? Like, can you expand on that? What do you mean by that?

The Clip: Ginger J, Hair, And Outrage

SPEAKER_10 3:59

I think that's quite obvious from social media, from music videos um growing up. When you we look at rappers and the women that are in the music videos, it's never dark-skinned women, it's always women that are mixed heritage. Now, yeah, even 2025. Even now, you think so? Even now, it's tough as turn to a certain degree on social media where black women are being more embraced on social media, but in real life, it's a whole different thing, and it comes out when we have these debates and these discussions where you see the true hatred for dark-skinned women come out when it's like, oh, where's your hair? Or that type of thing. Sorry, language. So I feel like so social media is a reality, but it doesn't reflect the world all the time. So social media is thoughts and ideas and the opinions, what people want to say, what they truly believe deep down, or what they don't believe for clicks and views. And then in real life, they might live something different, they might feel something different. A brother might say, I love black women, and then in real life, is it with a white woman? Who knows? So you can't take these things too serious in that sense.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

I hear I hear you. Okay, so what I I want to ask, because I personally don't think it's just because of social media why that's the case, though. But I don't think it's just because of that.

SPEAKER_10 5:28

I want to see how you view this situation because which one? The fact that you said you don't feel feel like that's really being poshed or glorified, yeah. Um, mixed women, yeah, or mixed heritage.

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 5:42

I don't see that reality. I know brothers, I know friends that were telling me I don't deal with black women.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

Yeah, but that see that there, that's what I see what you just said. That's what I want to focus on, and that's what I was trying to get to. Yeah, why are they saying that you think it's just that's what I'm trying to say? Do you think it's just because social media is portraying people in a certain way? Or do you think there's particular stereotypes, yeah, that because I talk about stereotypes to be somewhat of the truth, yeah. And I don't I don't think it applies to everybody, but I think as a general, so for instance, you know, people might say white people don't use seasoning, yeah. I've spoken to lows that don't, and they they will admit they don't, you know what I mean. Now I'm not saying no white people can cook, but as a general stereotype, it's somewhat true, you understand? And you know, can't dance and black man time and all these things you come into name. All these stereotypes, it does come from somewhere, yeah. So what you're trying to say, you need to get to the point. So what I'm trying to say right now, I I think that there has to be, I like to put accountability on people, yeah. That's true. Now, I'm I'm I'm more black than white, even though I'm a light skinned brother. Yeah, I am actually more black than white, yeah. But I would say that black women do certain things and hold themselves in a certain way that makes black men say that. It's not just because it's social media we're watching and we just hate, we just hate, it's not that. It's when you're interacting with them, yeah. They're the most the for I'll give you some examples. They're the ones that will mostly say, I don't need no man, independent. Like when you see that, when you see bus bays, it's I see like a when I've met, it's like a black woman driving a nice car, I don't need no man, or they're a baby mum, or you get me. And these numbers are actually real, it's not like on social media. Black community, most baby mums, the men have their part, but we're not talking about them right now. We can talk about that. Most baby mums. If if I was to say to you, yo, if I got two women, one's gonna tell you about yourself and one's not, who would we say is gonna be the one? What call is the one that can tell you about yourself gonna be? Or the one that's gonna be more like yo, do you get what I'm trying to say? So I'm saying there's true stereotypes that that go towards why black men have an opinion on saying, Oh, I don't deal with black women. It's not just social media, is my point. Okay, it's real life, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 7:51

But I hear what you're saying, you said all that to say nothing, and the reason why I reason why I say that basically. I mean, your cousin was daddy, so I don't know. Yeah, that's cool, that's cool. All right, cool. The reason why I'm saying that because there's always uh 101 um things you can say negative about black women, yeah, but there's billions that you can say positive, and we're always full, we're always focused on the negative. That's my problem. I'm not here to talk about black women and all the bad things that they do. They're human beings, obviously, they have their ups and downs, yeah, their pros and cons. I'm here to talk about the pros. They had enough of people putting them down, people slandering them, people glorifying the negative parts about them, stereotyping. Yeah, it has to be a new day, it has to stop now. We beat that thing down to the ground, and now we need to raise them up, speak some life into her, speak some positivity into her, and instead of regurgitating this old slave master divide and conquer narrative. Me, I don't have problems with black women when black women say um black men, they're they're just waste, that we can't do anything with them, we can't do this, they said, I'm not messing with black men. I'm like, you're not talking about me. I don't feel offended because I know I have a positive um relationship with black women. So if you feel hurt when you hear them words, you're feeling hurt in a different way. I feel hurt me personally, yeah. No, I'm not saying you're saying in general, I said if you like just me in general, if you feel hurt by these words when she says I'm independent and this, you're not actually listening to her. That's coming from a place, and you're saying that you want to not really speak about black men, but it's it's about the whole family, it's about the whole tribe.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

If that's the case, shouldn't you so this is the thing when you're talking about a certain topic, yeah, and by the way, I'm gonna clap back a little bit. You said I said nothing. I'm still not. For me, that was nothing like because this is the thing, everything that you said, you didn't say what I said weren't true. So that means what I said was true, even though it is negative. Like I understand you're saying, okay, speed. I I think what you said applies to everybody, not just black women. There's certain races where you know they're gonna be penalized for certain different things, like it's not just the black, you know what I'm trying to say. So basically, what I'm saying is, yeah, I understand what I get your point, like you know, maybe people have rinsed it out, but that's the truth. Why not? We should address what people are pointing out to to improve, no? But does does it work? Speaking negatively about black women has it worked, but positive doesn't either, of course it doesn't, because everyone's black queen, clicking, clicking, yeah, you go queen, you can do it all by yourself, so it doesn't work positivity either.

SPEAKER_10 10:24

Because but it's not enough people that are doing it. Of course, there is the majority of people are just like black women are this, or black women are that. Just the fact that you brought me on here to question question me to try and get say something negative about black women. I'm not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 10:38

I don't want you to say something negative, but what I will say is what you said is more damaging than not because what you should do is take people and that topic and take accountability but just accountability in general, like not saying get me. So you basically said, you know what, it's the men's fault, and I disagree with that now. But that's what you're saying there, bro. Come on, that's what you're saying, bro.

SPEAKER_10 10:59

Listening is an art form because we are so quick to attack black women. Yeah, you're only gonna hear what you want to hear, you're just gonna hear responsibility. Why is it back to us? Give it to her, give it to her. We've been doing this for time. Yeah, it's getting played out. We need to take some of the weight, and we we need to stand up and defend her and and lead as long as we're leading, we're gonna be good.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

We're gonna be gone. Let me let me give you another example, yeah, and we will move on. Um, so that clip in particular, yeah. Let's just that ginger j clip. Yes, I seen loads of black men saying, yo, he shouldn't have said that.

SPEAKER_10 11:33

You know what I'm trying to say?

SPEAKER_03 11:34

Not loads, a few, loads, loads, bro. A few. No, but but let's this is the problem. And this is the thing. My I maybe I didn't see enough. Maybe, yeah, maybe there should have been more. Yeah, but again, a lot of people have that that what you're saying, that negative kind of because of their experiences as well, not just because of social media.

Colorism, Preference, And Social Conditioning

SPEAKER_10 11:52

You see the problem, yeah. The black men, unless you can show me something else, the black men that were saying that Ginger J was wrong, it came with a bot. Well, he's entitled to with preference. It was just the way that he said it. So you're not authentically standing up for the sister, it always comes with a bot.

SPEAKER_11 12:15

I need to ask this question because um there's a lot of misinformation in that directly. If you watched the whole have you have you watched the whole episode of that about chat, yes, so I've watched the whole episode of that, and there was points in that time where he was praising black women, of course, and ginger. I'm just saying, oh, I'm gonna praise the black woman that's gonna be. Let me just finish this point, and then it was the black women that started to then get onto his back, and then they started to trigger him. He then said he is triggered, he was in the wrong. There was nothing I can say so weak, you know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_10 12:57

Now, this is actually let him get his point, let him get his point. Now let him go, let him go, yo, go. Act in a room full of black women, hold your ground, hold your ground, kid.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Go away. Just to be just to be clear, you're saying that you have to act a certain way when you're in a room of black women. You have to have some composure, you have to have some so black men are more triggering than normal women then.

SPEAKER_10 13:14

He's not being around, he's not being around black women and be connected to black women. So when he gets around black women, more than likely it's gonna be issue. Let me ask you.

SPEAKER_03 13:24

Can I ask a question though? Because I hear uh I actually understand what you're saying, like I get it, and I don't necessarily disagree. What I'm saying is just in particular, forget the colour just for a second, just throw colour out the window. If someone's there taking the piss out of you, like that used to get cheated on, doing TikTok dances, oh, five, six, seven, and all that, and they're pissing you off and as you've been doing it for the last 10, 15, 20 minutes. Yeah, of course, any normal person, yeah, not me, but most people would be triggered. So I'm saying for that clip in particular, even just if you're looking at the snippet of the clip, I would have said, yo, both people in the room. And I wouldn't have just slaughtered him. When I've spoken about the clip, I've said, yo, she shouldn't have done that, he shouldn't have done that. And just leave it as that. But what I'm hearing is all the energy go towards him. Yeah, but he is when it was both people, now but both should have said, yo, you shouldn't have been doing TikTok dances about him getting cheated on, which is a very sensitive topic for men, may I add. And why is he doing TikTok dances? No, they were doing TikTok dances to the women, talking about he's been cheated on once, yeah. Yeah, he's in the clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that's what I'm seeing. So I'm saying, like, both people shouldn't be doing it. It's both accountability, not just him. That's my that was my whole point.

SPEAKER_10 14:30

Talking about triggering, yeah, he was trying to cut deep. Every time a black man tries to attack a black woman, he goes for the hair.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

So cheating, taking the piss out of a man for betting cheating. What how deep? Well, how can you go any deeper than that? Rappers say all the time, like, if you want to take the piss out of a man, you take his girl. We know that. Obviously, we know that.

SPEAKER_10 14:48

Yeah, listen, obviously, that but I'm telling you, a black man needs to have some more discipline when it comes to these kinds of things. You can't put yourself in the world. No, we agree.

SPEAKER_11 14:56

No, no, no. We we don't we don't disagree with that, you know. I do, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

I don't disagree with that. Can you not stand on your square? No, but men should have more responsibility, of course. Yeah, and let's take that responsibility. Cool, cool, cool. Let's hold that for just a second then. Stop being hurt. Cool, I ag I I agree, but that's not the world we live in. We live in the world. We need a better world. No, no, I know the world's got changed like that. You know what I'm saying? So then what I'm saying. No, so if we if the men have more responsibility, yeah, they certain things should be looked at differently. So, for instance, okay, men and women are not equal, then let's make that very, very clear. Because if the men should have more responsibility, which I agree with, I don't think you should let the woman draw them out or the group or whatever draw him out. But if that's the case, yeah, if we've got more responsibility, then can we just go around and I don't want to hear nothing about independent women, I don't need no man, black men ain't she. I don't want to hear none of that because the men have more responsibility.

SPEAKER_10 15:47

If we're equal, if we're equal, listen and then it was all it was fair game, both of them were taking a piss out of each other. The men need to take more responsibility. I didn't mean everything like responsibility, everything in life. Because as a man, you gotta know how to not be emotional in these situations. I agree. You should know your women. The fact that he doesn't know his own women, why is he even in this situation? Are they equal? He knows he knows what he was getting. Nothing's equal in this world.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Uh are men and women equal.

SPEAKER_10 16:14

Nothing's equal in this world.

SPEAKER_03 16:14

Alright, so then we need to reinforce that to the black community in general because that's the main thing, I think, to the issue. That there's no more hierarchies, or equality and and all this stuff. It should go back to the men leading and the women following then, and then it'll be alright. Then I'm happy for people to take more responsibility.

SPEAKER_10 16:31

When I say men and women are not equal, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying in the sense that of ones above and ones. We both shine in different departments. Of course. That's just reality. When it comes to um mothering and nurturing, the women's gonna lead in that when it comes to the physical hard labor, men are gonna lead in that. So we can't be we can't be equal in every situation, but however, it balances out. We're not talking about equality, we're talking about balance, and balance doesn't always look like 50 over there and 50 over there. That's what I'm talking about. These are the principles of what we called the laws of Ma'at. Everything has to be balanced.

SPEAKER_11 17:04

So I hear what you're saying, yeah. So you so I want you to back that or no, no, no, because I was waiting. You said the right things, but you didn't apply it to that same situation, and that's what I need you to understand because he put himself in a situation where he actually gave more than he should as a man in front of women he doesn't know and he doesn't trust. So he gave his backstory, and what did they do to the to his to his emotions that he's provided to them?

SPEAKER_10 17:30

He should have been ready from that yeah, from school day.

SPEAKER_11 17:32

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not okay. I've already said he's in the wrong yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 17:36

I know, but I'm saying this is what I'm saying, he should have been ready. Listen, that's not an excuse to put it on. I don't know what school he went to, but girls used to give it to you, and you have to be ready, you have to be ready. All right, cool. So then you have to be ready.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

So the big man, he should know you know so shouldn't she? Shouldn't she be ready for the hair thing then? Same thing, innit? No, say again, shouldn't she be ready for the hair thing then?

SPEAKER_10 17:57

Obviously, she's ready, but at the end of the day, we're dealing with stumbling down, but listen, at the end of the day, we're talking about something deeper than just like oh the hair, the hair. That's a deep why is it deep? And that's what I'm saying. The fact that you're asking why you've got to show you that you don't understand. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

No, Key, now stop, stop, can't do that. Let's go because I'm glad that you said that. Because every every every black person I've ever spoken to has said that. So I want you to explain. Because right now, I want you to educate me. Educate me. Because every every time I ask that question, I get the same answer, which is if you're gonna ask the question, then you just don't know. Okay, I'm an ignorant idiot. Educate me. Tell me why you can't say it. By the way, no, you're not. No, I'm just like you're doing the thing, you got a podcast, and you're doing well for yourself. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'm ignorant though to this topic, like you just said, I don't know any. Okay, yeah, yeah. So why can't you say that?

SPEAKER_10 18:47

At the end of the day, when we're dealing with black women and their hair, we have to understand the journey and the advertisement and the psychological warfare of black women being told that their beauty standards isn't good. They being told that their hair is nappy, by the black black men also, and also by social media saying um basically kinky hair isn't good. There was a whole documentary about it, Chris Rock, good hair, good hair, bad hair, something like that, that tells you the whole journey of why black women buy hair, European hair, etc., um, Asian hair. And with that, basically, we can't we cannot just say, oh well, it's not triggering. The fact that we say negative things about black women's hair, obviously it's gonna be triggering to the point where they have to cover it up. Even in slavery, they wasn't even allowed to wear their hair out, they have to cover their hair. So they have to learn how to reload their hair, even from um a child, they will they will get told by their own parents, oh you ain't got good hair, your hair's nappy. And the way that they talk at the hair, it develops a negative relationship with their hair. So if the fact that you have to ask this question as a black man, did you grow up in a black household?

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

So the fact that you don't understand this um this No, but I I stand on the truth. Now there might be a deeper. What I'm saying is the might be. You're telling me there's nothing to it. No, no, no, what no no. I I'm gonna grant that. No, no, no, I'm gonna grant that. I'm gonna grant that. I'm gonna say, okay, let's say you got bullied for all your life and now you're triggered about your hair. Fair, fair. So it's just so so it's a triggering point, yeah? All right, so for a man, yeah, what's worse than getting cheated on as a triggering point? Because remember that if you if you're talking about like the genders and what things are triggering, so taking a piss out of someone for getting cheated on is probably the worst thing you can do for a man. Maybe even worse than the hair thing. So what's I don't see the difference, is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_10 20:45

So basically, you're saying or to say that he was in the right to say that.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

No, no, I'm I'm taking both parties accountable. I'm saying, yo, you shouldn't have done that, you shouldn't have done that.

SPEAKER_10 20:54

But do you understand how it came to that?

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Yeah, they were taking a piss out of him, so he lost his head. Yeah, so that's as a man, why are you losing your head knowing that we're human, bro? Bang, anyone can lose it. There's man in prison right now because they lost their head. Yeah, like people lose their head. That's why they were in prison, because they lost their head. No, no, but the point I'm trying to make, if someone's tricky like normal, this is that's a normal human being thing. I'm not saying he's right or wrong. He probably shouldn't have said it like that. Yeah, but I'm saying both parties were doing it, and for some reason, only he got it, is what I'm saying. He was talking the most smack, that's why. No, he wasn't, he wasn't though. That's what I'm saying. I watched the episode. The TikTok that I seen TikTok dancing, that's all I didn't see TikTok dance dancing for the hair.

SPEAKER_10 21:34

Yeah, well, is that gonna make him say that that's gonna make him say, Where's your hair? Where's your hair?

Men’s Composure, Triggers, And “Balance”

SPEAKER_03 21:38

Because he got triggered. But why would you go through that though? Why would you all right? So in trigger trigger levels, if you could do like a trigger level, taking the bits out of someone for being for being cheated on, yeah. Now you're trying to make it a competition, it's not. I'm saying that both parties are are in the wrong. That's all I'm saying. But you came on and basically reinforced that they're all right to take the piss out of him, and then when he reacts, he's in the wrong. That's what that clip tells me. It's like it's you should have said it's just it's basically saying to them, yeah. What clip? The clip that that clip that you just said, yeah, that's basically reinforcing and saying you know what, it's men's fault. You said it, you're basically saying it's men's fault. That's what you're saying about clip talk about. You say you're saying that the reason that there's an outrage because the black women are not reacting in the same way, yeah. Yeah, so and you're saying, okay, it's because of this, so you're basically reinforcing that the reason why they're not reacting is because of whatever reason. And realistically, they should have reacted. Listen, they should have reacted in the same way.

SPEAKER_10 22:32

Listen, listen, if not more, that's worse. In the video, I said for the cheek, black women are standing up, but we need to be on the front lines lead leading. That's all I said. People just hear one thing and you just say, Oh, look, before we move on, our responsibility now.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

Before we move on, I just want to clarify then. So, with with that clip, yeah, with what he said on the the hair thing, do you think the reaction has been the same, in your opinion? Um, from who from black women are so from the the fake great case to the take off your wig. Do you think the reaction's been the same?

SPEAKER_10 23:07

Nah, nah, no.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

Alright, so that's what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_10 23:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

Yeah, so that's that's the whole point.

SPEAKER_10 23:11

That's what I was that's what I was talking about because black men are saying black women are not really standing up and the mind. But there wasn't though. The mind thing was they are standing up, but people people want them to be on the front lines.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

No, they don't. Yes, they want the energy to be the same. No, they're not the same.

SPEAKER_10 23:25

They don't want them to be on the front. Realistically, because I a lot of black men can't do nothing for themselves, they can't do jack for themselves, they can't organize, they can't put on epithet as a man or as what as a general person. A lot a lot of black men they just always want a woman to do something for them. There's just like, okay, happen to not standing up, yeah. You don't have the same energy um for ginger chain. People are I'm like, come on, man, stop it, man. Stop it. So you okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

I could go even, I could keep going with my producers inside of it to be about, yeah, but I want to make one thing, yeah. But this is this is the thing. Why do you think that do you think that they can't do because like I said at the start, yeah. And I'm gonna key key chill back. Because we need to do okay. You know what? Let's do the intros. Okay, let's do intro. Cool. We'll do intros, we might go back to that. All right, let's do intros because we're 30 minutes in, right? All right, we'll start with yourself. Name, age, what do you do for living?

SPEAKER_06 24:16

Oh, I can finally talk to you.

SPEAKER_03 24:17

Yeah, yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_06 24:18

I thought the podcast was about women. Oh, sorry, sorry, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:22

Sorry, sorry, go.

SPEAKER_06 24:23

Okay, I'm Chanel, but everyone calls me Shan. Um, I'm 29 and I'm an English, I'm a qualified English teacher now.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

Really? Yeah, last time I spoke to you for like like um I can't remember what it was now. Social media something. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_06 24:35

Yeah, I've got I've got a few like still side businesses and stuff, but yeah, my main my main hustle is secondary school English teacher. And I got my qualified teacher status, so I can teach anywhere in the world.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

So you're in a school setting, yeah?

SPEAKER_06 24:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:47

Is the nappy hair thing still a thing in school like now, or is it changed now? Like, did it get bullied for that still?

SPEAKER_06 24:52

They don't call it nappy hair anymore.

SPEAKER_03 24:54

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 24:55

But yeah, the people still get bullied for certain things. You know what? Actually, in schools, it's so like social media is so much worse now because there's Snapchat, there's Instagram, um, and there's and there's TikTok and all that stuff. So if someone's getting bullied, they're not just getting bullied face to face now, they're getting bullied online. Like if something happens in school, it's round the whole of school by the end of the day. Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

Yeah, that is true. Uh, you're new, first time on the show.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

Hey, I'm Elizabeth, I'm 20. I'm a bottle girl, muddle, and a dancer.

unknown 25:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

I normally press a button at this point, but you know, I'm gonna not do it today.

SPEAKER_05 25:29

I'm gonna go on, do it. Do it, do it. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

So, what did you say? Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 25:33

I'm a dancer, I'm a bottle girl.

SPEAKER_03 25:35

When you say dancer, what did you mean by that?

SPEAKER_05 25:37

A stripper.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 25:39

She belongs to the street.

SPEAKER_03 25:43

Alright, we'll leave it there. All right, last film, last guy. Uh, introduce yourself. Uh, name age, what do you do for a living? Oh, age and everything.

SPEAKER_10 25:51

Uh government, everything. Um Ray. Yeah. Um, I'm a certified um boxing coach. Oh, nice. Um, I'm a self-proclaimed Alstorian, not historian. I'm in my 30s.

SPEAKER_11 26:07

So, what did you say for the last part?

SPEAKER_10 26:09

Um what you said, hit not historian, you're uh um our historian.

SPEAKER_11 26:14

What does that even mean? Yeah, explain that, please.

SPEAKER_10 26:16

Oh, it's just a pain word. Our story, not his story, our story.

SPEAKER_11 26:19

Oh our story. Sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 26:21

You know what it's the accent, bruv.

SPEAKER_10 26:23

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

Okay, you've seen his clip. What do you think?

SPEAKER_06 26:28

What we spec what do you specifically want me to talk about? Because you guys spoke about a lot of things a lot, and it was going from topic to topic and stuff. I will say the only thing I'll say about the hair situation is I did grow up in a predominantly white school. Like my first school, my first and middle school was predominantly white. Um, I wasn't allowed to have braids for it, it was class as not school uniform. So, but my dad owned his own barbers and he literally got my hair done every Sunday. And then my mum had to take it down, take it out every Sunday night, kind of thing, which obviously is really painful and stuff. So that that being said, but I never realized what it was until way later, being like, wait, that's actually low-key not okay, that every girl was allowed to have their hair in any other way, but braids was classed as no, that's not okay.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

Was this in the UK?

SPEAKER_06 27:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:20

Right. So do you think that like because we're in a UK? Yeah. Predominantly white country, you know?

SPEAKER_06 27:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Right. So do you think like if you went to, I don't know, I use China as an example, yeah. Like do you think like if you went to China, let's just say there was a black community in China, do you think like in the schools, you think like the things would overturn the culture of the country? Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

SPEAKER_06 27:40

What I'm saying is it, but what I think is that that was back then. I feel like cultures definitely developed more.

SPEAKER_03 27:44

Yeah, more accepting.

SPEAKER_06 27:45

I think, yeah, more accepting, definitely. But back when I was at school, I don't think it was very accepting at that time. But now it's definitely more accepting. Like I work in a school, kids are allowed to have braids, dreads, anything. And I I like it. I feel like it's very good. But when you were talking about girls' hair and accepting them, I feel like you need to accept your own hair because even with me, I didn't feel comfortable with curly hair all the time. I straightened my hair all the time because I was conditioned in a way where I had to have straight hair. If I went for a job interview, if um I met up with certain friends or I went into a certain nightclub, I had to have straight hair or like basically favor to my white side. But that being said, especially when I was at uni, um, I feel like I wasn't black enough for the black kids and I wasn't white enough for the white kids.

SPEAKER_11 28:32

That's true.

SPEAKER_06 28:33

Yeah. So again, with black girls, I love black girls, I love like white girls, it's fine. I'm not like see them as any colour, but I feel like, especially my experience with certain black girls, I've been seen as like the ops. Like I'm not good enough to hang out with them because they say they'll basically go black, go hang out with the white people. Because you can straighten your hair and it doesn't break. And you can, I don't know, like they just feel like more comfortable, like I'd be hanging out with them, or they'll they'll challenge me on like my black culture, and it's like my dad's full Sierra Leone, like he's black, I'm three quarters black. You know what I mean? My mom's half white, half black as well. But again, because my skin's fairer, and that's not my fault, that's pigmentation. Like, my all my brothers are darker than me, but in their eyes, I'm not black enough to hang out with them. Yeah, and it's one of those things where you're saying about acceptance and stuff, and like black girls are not accepted, but they don't even accept their own kind at certain points. And that's like my point on that. Like, not all, but I've had I've been in situations where I feel like, oh, okay, I'm I feel like I don't belong here because I'm not getting the reception that I thought I would have.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

I've I've seen that as well.

SPEAKER_06 29:42

Yeah, that is definitely true. I've seen like I remember dying my hair blonde at uni, and you know when everyone was dying their hair red and stuff because of Rihanna and stuff like that. But I dyed my hair blonde, and then um I got told by um this guy that was black, he was like, Why are you trying to be white? And I said, What are you talking about? Black. Girls can literally put a black wig on, I mean a blonde wig on or a red wig on or something like that, and it's not seen as an issue. But I dye my hair and it doesn't break because of my mum's Spanish side, and it's seen as an issue. So again, like that reception, I've just felt like, oh okay, let me just hang out with the white people. But as years have gone on, I do have my black friends, I do have my white friends, I do have my mixed race friends. But again, it's only supposed to be black and white, but again, I'm not accepted with the black people sometimes, and I'm not accepted with the white people sometimes.

SPEAKER_10 30:31

So I'm gonna ask a question. Yeah. Um, so when you say you're not accepted by the black people and the white people, how do you see yourself? I class myself as black, but I know how come you you said the black people and the white people and kind of separated yourself from them in some sense?

Intros And School Rules On Black Hair

SPEAKER_06 30:48

Because that's how I've been made to feel. Like I said before, I said I'm not black enough with the black people, I'm not white enough with the white people, but I class myself as black. But there will always be. I even saw a clip on that whole Ginger J thing anyway, of where there was a light-skinned girl saying that she classes herself as black, and the black girl, the one that got uh told about her hair and stuff, they were like, She's not black, she's mixed race. And I was like, Who are you to tell her what colour she is? Mixed races only for the senses, yeah. It's not it's not an actual thing. We're mixed in two different race um races, yeah, but it used to only be black and white kind of thing. And then for the senses, for medical reasons and for the world and whatever classes, it's like um they put a different class in there, mixed race, because you're mixed with something. But I can say I'm black because I am black, but there will always be a black girl that says I'm not.

SPEAKER_10 31:39

Okay, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

Yeah, just waiting to see if he's gonna I do like about you though, you are very positive, like you're a very positive person, but I do think that sometimes like we have to address certain specific specific things, even if it is negative, to improve, and that's the only way people can improve. Like, it can't always just be positive, positive, positive. Although I would love the world to be like that, like I'd love that.

SPEAKER_06 32:02

Oh, can I just add one more thing as well? When you said about I agree with what you said, it was a bit like 50-50, they were just as just both as just as bad as each other, but I also understand your point where fair enough, he should he he done a low blow attacking for a hair. He did do a low blow, but again, like you said, he's talking about he getting cheated um and all that stuff, and like like it's just that's again, it's a low blow. So they're just as bad as each other. It was tit for tat type thing. Um, but especially with when you're talking about um black girls, like we need more positivity and stuff like that. They need to be more positive, yeah, and be open to receiving that posity because I feel like they're so much on the defense all the time, yeah, that we don't even know how to approach certain people. Like, even with me, like people say to me, because I've got such a rested bitch face sometimes, and like I don't even know how to approach you, Shan. Kind of thing. And I and I accept it and I take that responsibility. But when we're saying about being fair and stuff, like a guy is not weak because he's upset and he got triggered. You're saying a guy's weak because he got triggered. That doesn't we can all get triggered, yeah. And cool, he shouldn't have lost his head, but he did because it was very upsetting and it's brought back trauma that he's recently received. And let's not forget, guys receive um, guys experience trauma and heartache and feelings as well as just as much as women, and they're seen as weak because they express themselves and express those feelings, and that's why male suicide rates are higher than females, because they're not able, they're not able to speak about their feelings. So he was triggered about something. We don't know what happened when he went home that day. You know what I mean? He's got cheated on repeatedly, and she basically laughed in his face. I'm not saying what he said was right, but she laughed in his face. Like, who does that to somebody? Yeah, and then he went and then he went for the hair straight after.

SPEAKER_10 33:51

You see the thing about this, yeah. We're not only dealing with somebody that is triggered, he knows what space he's in. He deals with this kind, he does the whole um rap thing where people dissing each other. He understands about having thick skin and cussing and dissing and doing things for clicks, and like when I seen him crash out behind the scenes, he was saying you these black bees, how's that coming out of your mouth? Like passionately angry, these stupid black bees. He's angry, but why are you is okay because he triggered him?

SPEAKER_11 34:28

Yeah, so I'll just remind you again, yeah. Remember, he put himself in a state where he was vulnerable, vulnerable. So he was telling his story, telling his backstory. Not many people are gonna tell a story online, you know. I'm not saying he was right in doing that. I'm not saying any action that he did was right, wrong, or the other, but you need to understand the emotional side of it. Men don't really tell their story like that. And when when they tell a story and people receive it in a negative way, sometimes you're you're gonna be open to their emotion and your own emotion and your own triggers. So he he did he he did wrong on multiple on multiple occasions, his decisions were definitely definitely wrong. However, that doesn't excuse people using his emotions against him. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_10 35:12

Okay, yeah, okay, that's true, and that's cool. But you see, my problem is we're dealing with something deeper. If you have a white person, um, and he's speaking to a black person, and then that black person says, Move out my way, move. And he says, Shut up, who you talking to? And he pushes him, and then that white person responds by saying, You black, now we know that person is racist. Yeah, listen, don't hold me. Let me let me finish. Let me finish. You know where I'm going, and you're trying to stop the floor. Go, go, go. You're trying to stop the flu. I got my notebook nowhere.

SPEAKER_07 35:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 35:47

So when a black person says something negative to a black woman in terms of her hair, she's a black. Now we're dealing with a level of self-hatred. He dislikes black women just by even going to that. He should have gone to um look how you're dressing, you can't even dress properly, or he went to the hair, he went to her identity rather than who she is as a person or how she's talking or just cussing about, oh, you're wearing funny shoes, or even going to cheating and say, Oh, yeah, man probably cheated on you. He didn't go to that, he went to a race, and he's black himself. Yeah, and you went to the yo, nah, no, disagree again.

UK Racism, Nightclubs, And Equality Versus Context

SPEAKER_03 36:25

I'll tell you why I disagree. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Maybe he shouldn't have done that. Well, maybe not if you remember, hold on, you say that was okay. No, no, no, hold on, wait, wait, wait. Oh, he's just let me finish. Remember you saying let me fit, let me finish. Let me lie, let me land the plane's there. The man's there signaling the man. So if you actually watch the clip, because this is the thing, I I play chess, and it's when I come on these shows, like I've I've analyzed the thing, the um to the day. So if you actually remember, yeah, and I haven't watched the clip in a while, but he was actually doing what you're saying before he went to the hair. Yeah, because at first he was saying other things, and and I think if the comment before he said about the hair, he was like, you know what? Well, now I'm dating this girl and she's nice and she's a five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, you get me? So he said all that first, and then after they carried on, then he went for the hair because he's like, Okay, that's not hitting. So what can I go for? And obviously, he's go he's trying to go for something that's gonna hurt them as much as he's hurt right now about the cheating.

SPEAKER_10 37:19

It comes back to the same point is weak. If a white person, no, no, if a white person basically gets triggered, yeah, and when he gets triggered, what comes out of his mouth is racism, then that's who he is. Nah, that's that's why that's what you say. You're saying if a white person is racist or says something racist like you monkey, yeah, etc. etc. You're telling me I tell you what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

I'm listening. I I understand what you're saying. Now, I'm not saying that the person that said that is or isn't racist, they might be. I don't know. What I'm saying is if he was. No, no, no, hold on, Benjamin, hold on, hold on. I'm saying that just because he says that, it doesn't make him racist. What he's doing, yeah, is trying to insult you as much as he can. He's trying to hurt you because you're upset. So if he says, Oh, yeah, he knows that that some people, yeah, are gonna get very upset if they get called a monkey. So he's just trying to hurt your feelings. It doesn't necessarily mean he's racist. He might be, he might be, but doesn't just because he said that don't mean that he's racist.

SPEAKER_10 38:14

Am I hearing this? You're telling me if a white person calls someone um ninjas, yeah, you're telling me, oh, he was just angry. Yeah, he might say it in a song, is that making him racist? When you're angry, sometimes or most of the time, the truth is coming out about it.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

And so what if it's rapping, rapping to the lyrics and he says it, is that making racist?

SPEAKER_10 38:32

Because that's in under different context, and that's just ignorant. That's what that's what I'm saying. It's all different. Well, we're dealing with anger. So the thing when you're angry, you go to racism when you're angry. That's dangerous. That's dangerous.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

Have you ever said something that he didn't mean because he was angry?

SPEAKER_10 38:46

Um, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 38:47

Yeah, it's the same thing, yeah, but not racism though. But I'm saying that doesn't necessarily mean he's racist. He might have bare black friends at home that he cool with and don't care. The things that you're just trying to hurt that person in the past.

SPEAKER_10 39:02

But to go deep, that's a deep rooted thing. You're trying to hurt the feeling. You should know. There's many ways to hurt people's feelings. What would be worse than that to a black person?

SPEAKER_03 39:11

Just the fact that you have to go to that level. No, but what would be worse? That'd be a worse insult. That's the worst insult a black person can get. So why go to that worst insult? Because you're trying to hurt, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 39:20

But there's many ways to hurt someone without going to racism to call or taking a piece out of his shoes. No, no, no. Listen, when you're going to racism, you're not only saying something about the person, you're saying something about yourself, and then you're hurting other people too in the process.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

I disagree.

SPEAKER_10 39:32

It's not just yo, that's that's the reality because you're speaking about yourself. Once you use racism, you're speaking about yourself. If I say to um a woman, if I was triggered by her, and I said, Well, basically, I know that you got essays before. I'm not going, I don't have to go to that. There's all things I can go to. But if you really wanted to hurt them and trigger them, I'm not gonna say that. No, but that's you, but I'm saying if someone did really want to hurt and trigger them, because that's not that's not no joke, and I don't even want to use things like that like that as an insult. But you hate this person, you don't want to you, you just want to you just want to hurt their feelings, yeah. But I'm not gonna I don't go to that because it speaks about who you are as a person. If you're using racism, it goes back to you. Uh you're you're instinctively racist, and that's what's gonna come out of your mouth. Okay, like certain things that you just don't joke. Fair enough, fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

That's your the that's your opinion. Well uh what else we got? What else we got?

SPEAKER_05 40:21

Oh, yeah, Elizabeth, if you want to say something okay.

SPEAKER_03 40:24

Sorry, it gets like that, man. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 40:26

I know, but that was a long conversation. Go on.

SPEAKER_03 40:28

Do you want to add your point? This would be interesting though. Go on.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

Give me a question.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

Okay, we're we're gonna move on to the next one because it clearly you don't want to talk about you want to talk about anything that we've talked about, just do you want to add your tent pence or not really? Yeah, I know. I know because white people can't say that because it's just like oh they'd be called racist. That's the that's why we can't be open, we can't have open dialogue. Because I guess she's not gonna say anything because she'd be called racist, and it's fair, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:51

It's fair. Just like you said, she can't should be called racist.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

You'll be in the comments saying Archie's racist, and that's what I'm saying. Like, that's why that's why I was pushing back on it. If someone did say that, it doesn't necessarily mean they're racist, because I think that's not where you got that from. No, because the reason I'm saying that is because like if she was to say something now, yeah, which she believes to be true, she'd be called racist, even though she's I'm gonna assume she's not, just based on being with her for a short period of time, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

Making that clear.

SPEAKER_03 41:18

And I think and I think particularly black people that draw that card. I love my people. And I actually think that black people are more racist now, to be fair. Uh, back in the day, I would say that it was different, but I would say right now, you're over the phone.

SPEAKER_06 41:28

Oh, can I just can I just add to that as well? Like nightclubs and stuff, as soon as a black person isn't in isn't allowed in a nightclub, they always say you're racist, you're not, you're not in letting me in because you're racist.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

And I was like, How about we how about you?

SPEAKER_06 41:41

There's so many other reasons why you're not let in right now. And I've been a door girl, I've been on the door, and it's not got anything to do with your skin colour. There's so many other reasons, but you'll always see on the reviews and everything, yeah, don't go to that club because they're so racist, they won't let me in. And sometimes it is true because I've again I've experienced that as well. Um, but again, there's so many other factors why they're just not gonna let you in.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

And everyone will just pretend like it's not true. No, I talk about stereotypes all the time, everyone's just gonna pretend like it's not a thing. It is a thing. Baseline dancers get locked off all the time, or or bash met dancers get locked tough all the time. I'm a Barbie girl, don't get locked off.

SPEAKER_06 42:20

They could not let you into it.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

Yeah, the pop music don't get locked off.

SPEAKER_08 42:25

Yeah, me.

SPEAKER_03 42:26

The Taylor Swift shit, they're there, they're bopping, cutting shapes. They might be after after a rocker and the jaw swinging, but you probably ain't gonna get rocked up knuckled. So we'll leave it there, isn't it? You know what it is. I'm just saying we have to accept things to improve. Like we have to accept, you know, this might be true.

SPEAKER_11 42:42

This is the topic that we can go on forever with it. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

Move it on.

SPEAKER_11 42:45

Let's move to it. Wait, you got more clips? We got a different facet of it. So we'll see. Oh nah, let's let I think we've no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is this is a tough that needs to be.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

Yeah, but we did say listen, hold on, wait, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it. Go on, let's move on to something that at least you can join it. She can definitely join it. Because she's gonna get called yet. Oh, okay. I don't know because I heard this clip, and this is about black women.

SPEAKER_11 43:03

Yeah, this is this is definitely about black women, but a white woman can definitely have a point.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

If you don't want to go woman at the end of the day, no, she's good. Guarantee it goes viral, guarantee she comments play.

SPEAKER_05 43:12

We'll see in it. You'll be you'll be fine though, right? Oh, don't worry, I love my black people too, so it's fine.

SPEAKER_11 43:18

I don't want to get into that, but anyway.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

Lives on a maternity.

SPEAKER_11 43:23

All right, let's let's let's get back into the room. So, this clip here is essentially about a black woman's experience giving birth. Um, this is not gonna be the main topic about this, but we're gonna start this as an old icebreaker, and then we can move on and see where the conversation goes.

SPEAKER_00 43:38

T Ward, in this country, the latest data shows black women are 2.3 times more likely to die during or in their first year of after pregnancy than white women. Today, MPs looking into the issue say its investigation has found repeatedly that racism is one of the core drivers of poor maternal care. It's urging maternity bosses to train their workforces and take responsibility for any failures.

SPEAKER_11 44:08

Yes, we're not gonna go into the details of it because obviously there's a lot of stats and figures there, and like without understanding where they got their figures from, how they got their figures, there's no point. Um, I'm a big believer in science, and there's a lot of data that you need to trail through to make sure that something's actually a fact. So this these are opinions, and their opinions are only solely based on the UK only, and she's only talking about the UK. However, what I would say is from your experience and from your experience with the internet and your own lived experience, uh, do you believe that black women do get treated differently when it comes to uh the care that they get and also um their lived experience at work, things of that nature? I'm gonna start off with my friend in the middle.

SPEAKER_05 44:53

Well, to be fair, yes, I have personally talking from experience. Obviously, I work in a club, so when I see like black girls getting like you know, dashed to the side, and guys are coming in for all the white girls, all the skinny little bit sorry, bees. Wow, and they're just like getting set set aside, like they're not like you know, I don't know how to explain it.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

I don't, sorry guys. But you know what the thing is though, like what you just said again, and this is goes back to my point, yeah. Like, certain things are more acceptable. Even what you just said there, the skinny little white, bit like you get me. We could never say that about this. What I'm trying to say, you could never say that now. You're getting you can like people, I'm saying anyone on this over could say that, and no one wouldn't really say what's if you used to say it about a black person, it's shot down straight away, racist, card, and counseled. Do you get what I'm trying to say? And this is what I'm trying to say, like it's it's a societal thing, right?

ADHD, Neurodiversity, And Learning Labels

SPEAKER_10 45:45

Oh, it is accepted to be said to say that. Um, so in different communities, basically, you're going to deal with different cultural context and different history. So just like she can say skinny um white girl. You can as well, yeah. Of course. So, so say skinny black, say Linis Blackdirl. No, not don't set it up.

SPEAKER_03 46:06

Yeah, even that's even your visual reaction is what I'm trying to say. So, why is it okay to say it the other way then?

SPEAKER_10 46:12

Do you know what? Do you know what it's called? Composition of fallacy, and and what I'm saying, just because it's I understand what you're saying in one way. In let's just say a man's walking home and he walks home every single day and at night time, no matter what time it is, and then a woman says, Oh, I'm not gonna walk home by myself, I always get the car. Why? Because it's a dangerous community and you you're gonna get robbed. Like, I walk there every single day, you're not gonna get robbed, but he's not taking it into account that she's a woman. So, in every situation, there's context behind it. We have a different culture, we have a different history, different trauma, different legacy. We are at the receiving end of racism. So when you say certain things, it's gonna be like you can't really say that because of the context. Just like we can say the n-word, then Europeans can't say the n-word because we know the history behind that. So we can't just say, Well, if she can say it, she can say it, but we're not looking at the cultural context of a thing. Of course, you can't.

SPEAKER_11 47:11

Sorry, apologies.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

You just want to disagree. No, no, no, no, I don't know. Because this is the thing, like this is this is what the thing is, right? I believe the biggest thing, yeah, is that particularly with the black community is not is accountability and being able to see certain things and say, you know what, maybe this isn't this is an ugly thing to admit, but it's true, and we should work on it. Do you know what I'm trying to say? And I understand what you're saying, but for me, and I could be wrong, the racism thing, yeah. So when black people are fighting against racism, to my knowledge, um I believe that they're trying to say, you know, we want to be treated equally to everyone else. That's rubbish. I don't think we now I'm asking what so is that what it is? Because the Black Lives Matter is like, yo, let's we want to be treated equally. Is that not what I'm I got it wrong?

SPEAKER_10 47:56

Yeah, what now it's about? Yeah, but I don't really associate with the black.

SPEAKER_03 47:59

Okay, so it's racism in general. Like, are you saying we're saying to stop racism because we want to be treated equally? No, is that not what we're saying? Um, yeah, majority of people are saying, but I'm not I'm not saying that. Okay, what's your opinion? Okay, we're talking in general. So, in general, I would say the message is treat us not, treat us like everybody else. Yes, all right. So, how can we push that message? Yeah, and then we can do things like what you're just saying. So, for instance, you can say that, but she can't say that. If we're if we're dealing with equality, it should be you can't say it and I can't say it, or the consequences are the same if you do say it, then that's more building on yo, everybody is equal, no matter what colour you are.

SPEAKER_10 48:34

It still goes back to cultural context. We can say, Oh, let's make everyone equal, and now we can say these terrible things, but we're still gonna be in this system where racism exists. It's not gonna disappear just by saying making everything equal. It's almost like oh, magic wand of equal now. Just say, um, you can say this and you can say that you can say the n word, you can say the n word, now it's equal.

SPEAKER_03 48:53

No, no, I'm not saying, I'm saying if one can't say it, both can't say it. I'm not saying you should say it, I'm saying you both people shouldn't say it. And if you do, the consequences are the same. No, that's what I'm saying. Disagree with that. So you think you can say skinny white bitch and and I wouldn't say that though. No, but you did just said it, and then when she went and asked her to say it, you said not to say it.

SPEAKER_10 49:13

No, I didn't say I didn't say skinny white bee. I just say skinny white girl. I know, but why can't she say because can she say skinny white? She can say whatever she wants about skinny black bee.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

Can she say that? No, she can't say she said not to say that. No, she can't.

SPEAKER_10 49:26

I couldn't, but she can't no, but listen, she can say it.

SPEAKER_05 49:29

But you said it. But you said it. Yeah. Skinny white bees, girls.

SPEAKER_10 49:35

I didn't say that.

SPEAKER_05 49:35

But isn't that basically the same thing anyway?

SPEAKER_10 49:38

No, I'll just repeat what you said. No, but I didn't I didn't say the B at the end of it. I've just making an example. But I'm saying you're trying to set her up by saying, say this.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

It's almost almost like saying, Oh, you say the end of it. Because I'm trying to make an I'm trying to like use like an example to say, you know, it's not the best one, though. I mean, it's gonna be as perceived negatively, I know, but what I'm saying, that's my that's making my point though. It can be said one way, but not the other way. Even her herself is doing it because she knows, like she's saying it in a she's saying skinny because she knows she's alright to say that and nothing's gonna happen. You got what I'm gonna say?

SPEAKER_10 50:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she understands she knows how to read the room because there's something going on, whether it's smoking or unspoken. That's what's happening. Because it's not it's not the same, like equal when we're dealing with racism. The reason why black people can get away with saying more because it's like, oh, the code is the name. Well, let's go back to our mansions and running the city and do whatever.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

Should we should we just should we just leave this the same then? Should we just leave it how it is then? Because I'm providing my solution is for everyone to be equal, is that consequences should be the same. It's not gonna be. That's that's what I'm saying. That's my solution. What's your solution then? Equal is not a reality, it's just not reality. So you don't think you don't think that we can get to a stage where people are treated the same depending on human beings are always gonna be. So what are we fighting for then? Why talk about racism? We're fighting to be in control of our lives.

SPEAKER_10 50:53

What do you mean? We're fighting to be on top, just like just like the OC saying we want dominance then. Not dominance. See, you're thinking about you said on top, bro. What you mean? On top, on top, so we can govern our own lives and protect our own lives, protect our men, women, and children. That's all we want. The same as everyone else segregation, but but we don't have to oppress other people because you're coming from what the world has done to us. Because when we talk about being on top, we're just like, oh, that's a bit scary. Uh revenge time. No, we're not. We just want to live our lives and do our own thing and be on top and be in control. There's no sort of thing as equal or equal rights because the devil that is ruling right now, he ain't equal to me, and he damn sure ain't right. So don't tell me about no eco-right thing.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

No, but um what I'm trying to do is that in society provide a solution to it, and I believe it. Everyone just on the base level, on the base level, everybody treated equal.

SPEAKER_10 51:43

Marcus Garden said, in order for us to be at the top, yeah, we need to realize that we are to be the head and not the tail, and it will take 24 hours and we will be back in control. The problem is that we're fighting for equal rights, it's not gonna happen to be on top then. Yeah, why for that though? But yeah, so you want to be the dominant then? No, you see, you're you're talking about dominance. We need to be in a position where we can protect ourselves.

SPEAKER_06 52:13

Oh, power.

SPEAKER_10 52:14

Protecting ourselves doesn't mean that you're going to go around killing people. If people bring it to you, then they bring it to you, then you deal with the thing, but you it doesn't mean that you have to go around oppressing people. We don't have that in our nature. Our history doesn't show that we go around on a mass level just destroying people.

SPEAKER_11 52:28

So there was no slavery in in one sec, one sec, one sec, one sec, because there's a few things that I just need to confirm, sorry. Factual, yeah, 100%. Yeah, so um composition of fallacy. So just just so that everyone's clear what that means, it just means a logical error that occurs when one assumes that what is true or part of a whole must also be true about the whole whole itself. So that's that's the definition of it. Where it says it explains, um, is that along with what he said, you can't bring one action into another without it being a part or whole or something like that. I don't quite understand where it where it goes with this, but I understand the fantasy itself. But if you can explain it better for what you what you were saying it, then that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 53:15

Yeah, yeah, he explained it, I understood what he was saying.

SPEAKER_11 53:17

Yeah, this this is a bit weird.

“Pretty Privilege” Economics And Tradeoffs

SPEAKER_03 53:19

Saying that it can't be equal because the because the consequence basically in layman's terms, the consequences are not equal, so the actions can't be equal. So, for instance, because of the history of what's and I I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I'm saying I'm trying to deal with solutions. You're saying that to to owe the only way to do it is to be on top. Cool, obviously, that's what you think, isn't it? But for me, I would rather, even if we're never gonna achieve it, at least work towards trying to achieve where it doesn't matter about colour of skin, it's just yo, this is us, yeah. That's what I'm saying. You're saying we need we need to have more power to be able to govern it. I I don't necessarily believe that's true. And the other fact check because I think you're scared, that's why.

SPEAKER_11 53:55

Scared of what there's another fact check. So uh Marcus Garvid also said something that was quite clear. He says for a people to have um, and he said that they have to have to be a people with knowledge, without knowledge of their past history, origin, and culture is like having a tree without roots. So, one thing I would say with that is that you have to understand your whole history, not just the parts of the history that you want to know. Um, so I'll just lead you guys with that.

SPEAKER_10 54:22

Well, but how is that a fact check?

SPEAKER_11 54:24

Is that a fact check to to the whole so you you've quoted one part of uh Marcus Garvey? So I'm just making sure I make it a bit more concrete that you saw the things on top of that.

SPEAKER_10 54:34

Yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 54:35

I don't I don't need to listen to Marcus, Marcus Garvey to know what's right and wrong. I just think insulting someone's generally universally should be wrong, and it should be both ways. That's what I believe. It sounds cool, yeah. But listen, we've been no, I believe that we don't live in that world. I agree with that. This is what I'm saying. But I'm saying if we're fighting to if you're saying there's no point fighting racism because we gotta be on top to be able to change anything, you might as well just throw it in the bin.

SPEAKER_10 54:59

No point. Let's see, why are you scared to be on top? Are you scared? Whoa, why for that?

SPEAKER_03 55:04

You why for that? You why be in and you topped it? Like, yo, that's crazy. What I'm not scared, what what you actually because you said I'm scared, like what?

SPEAKER_10 55:14

Scared of what? So, why is that um a thing where you have to reject, like, oh, I don't want to be in control, I don't want to be in control of my life, I don't want to lead, I don't want to be the leaders of the world. Why is that like, no, I just want to be equal and keep like I don't don't get where is that coming from?

SPEAKER_03 55:28

Because I I know this in general, and human being in nature in general, people that have power always want more power and try to take more power. So let's say we got to the point where that's the case, we know which way it's gonna. History's already shown us what the direction it's gonna go. Not necessarily. Um, if you who had power didn't want more power and then and then imploded because they wanted their power.

SPEAKER_10 55:50

If every every everyone ever who had power, if you isolate certain um tribes or certain people, you're gonna get a few people that are gonna go left. Um, you're gonna get a few people that are gonna fail. But if you go to let's just say, um, if you aware, are you aware of the Tamara Kemet? Okay, so this is an ancient African civilization that was the capital of Africa. The Greeks and Romans came in and they taught them. They should they showed them how to um speak um languages, they taught them art, um, they taught taught them how to build, etc. etc. They was in power then and they couldn't overthrow them, but we invited them in. However, once they learned our ways, that's when they were able to overthrow us. Um, and it was their infighting that eventually happened because all the mischief that was happening. When we were in power, then no one couldn't touch us, but however, we didn't go around oppressing people like that. Yes, we're not.

SPEAKER_11 56:51

So just to be clear, just to that's the I was gonna ask a few questions on that.

SPEAKER_10 56:55

Let me finish though, let him finish. We we had our beefs, don't get me wrong, and that's always gonna happen. That's always gonna happen, but not to the point where we are literally dropping bombs on the next bombs. But the tribes are the tribes of the whole nations.

SPEAKER_03 57:07

We all we all we all tried to like pretend that Africa and the tribes weren't fighting each other before the Europeans came. Didn't say that. No, but I'm saying like it wasn't all kumbaya anyway. But that's that's how I started off. I started off by saying we had our beefs, yeah. But we let now you ended with uh we called the Europeans in, but I'm saying we were beefing anyway, like we had slaves anyway, and then we sold the slaves to the Europeans, the slaves were there. You see, now it's okay. We need to fact check that because what you're saying now, basically, um do you think the white man in his in his red coat? Yeah, this figure was chasing down the black guys, didn't you know? The black guys were catching them and selling them. That's what was going on, bro.

SPEAKER_11 57:45

For the fact check, there's a book that you can get. It's called it's called The Slave Trade.

SPEAKER_10 57:48

Let's look. There's many so if you read but it's not just about boxing.

SPEAKER_11 57:52

No, no, no, I understand what you're saying. Yeah, however, there's many things that they've referred to, references that you can then go to to see where the sources are. Okay, there's some sources where there is actually like um historians who specify in African and agriculture in Africa, so you have to add the agriculture to understand um how they then got to the conclusions because they then dug down deep and saw change shackles in their times and how they will shackle someone, so you can get that history and that that that's perspective. So I would say have a look at that, come back with more bullets, and you'll be able to fire off. Yeah, yeah. So just to be clear, there were slays then 100%.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

Okay, uh moving on then. Let's move on to a topic where we can kind of let's lighten the mood. Let's lighten the mood. We got enough picks on there. It's gonna go, it's gonna be some viral stuff there because anytime I talk about that, it goes viral because everyone's pissed in the comments talking about it's not true and thank you very much for for obviously offering that.

SPEAKER_11 58:45

So, this is a nice, I won't say it's light-hearted, it's it's quite can I just say yeah, go on the women need to speak as well.

SPEAKER_07 58:52

Nah, no, but trying, you're just talking so much.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

What I will say though is that sometimes it does go this way, like say like we're having a dialogue, but now that's what I'm saying. Like, if we get a topic now, where let's let's put the whole in the side.

SPEAKER_11 59:04

I was gonna say, yeah, yeah. Does ADHD exist? Yes, speak your language.

SPEAKER_05 59:10

100% go on, 100%.

SPEAKER_11 59:12

Give you experience.

SPEAKER_05 59:13

It's a learning difficulty. Like, come on, like in when I was in high school, I could never focus in lessons, I was always like set out fr away from all the students, so I can like focus. I will always get distracted and shit like that.

SPEAKER_03 59:28

Distract other people, did you get enough meetings as a child?

SPEAKER_05 59:32

Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_03 59:34

And you're still distracted?

SPEAKER_05 59:35

Yeah, of course I am. Alright, alright.

SPEAKER_11 59:38

Alright, so I was a bad kid, man. Off topic, I was I'm just making sure I do this. We said that ADHD is a is a learning difficulty, not a mental health. It is not part of the mental health.

SPEAKER_05 59:49

I mean, it does affect your mental health, yeah, but it passes a learning difficulty, yeah.

unknown 59:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 59:56

Oh, he's doing the fact check.

SPEAKER_11 59:57

Yeah, I'm doing the fact check. Yeah, I don't I don't think it's I don't

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

I don't think it would come would it?

SPEAKER_11 1:00:03

So I don't think it would jump. This is from the NHS. The NHS website. I'm not saying that everything NHS does is correct. I'm not saying that it is correct. However, they are calling it that the brain works in a different way compared to common people. Which then leads to it being a mental health disorder. However, I do believe that this hasn't had enough research done to it. So I can't credit it.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:31

Can I just can I just add to that? Just from a teacher's perspective, um autism, ADHD, ADD, dyslexia, they're all under when we're talking about a school environment or a learning environment, say a work environment where you're learning on the job, that's why it's classed as a learning difficulty, because you learn in a different way. So that's why there has to be certain adaptations. So if you worked at Sainsbury's, how you would learn how to do the checkout because you had ADD or ADHD, is not how someone who didn't have those at those learning difficulties. That's why I class it as a learning difficulty. But also they're even scrapping everything now soon. They're gonna call it neurodiverse. So it's not gonna be called.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:13

I was gonna say that it's just legit said that neurodiverse. So neurodiversity is a weird one because um it it's only again, it's only recently just come out. Um, they've done their research. Um, I'll say go ahead and have a look at that.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:26

But do you know why it's been called neurodiverse? Because someone that has dyslexia will also have aspects of ADHD or ADD. So ADA ADD is attention defective disorder. Yeah. ADHD is attention hyperactive defective disorder. I'm dyslexic, but I'm also ADD because I'm not hyperactive, but I still have an attention disorder. So they say that any person that has any learning difficulty will always have strains or aspects to other learning difficulties. That's why they're calling it neurodiverse now, because it all comes under the same spectrum. You just rather run high on the spectrum or low on the spectrum or somewhere in between. It just depends on what your needs are. But rather than say, yo, you've got autism, you've got ADHD, whatever, if we all have different, we all have similar aspects, it's more um open if we say it's neuroidiverse because we all have similar aspects.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:24

I agree. That makes sense. I've um read an article, I don't know, I can't remember where it was from, but it talks about ADHD. Um was an ancient trait that people still have, but it was necessary to have that trait to be more aware of your environment, animals and danger and things of that nature. But now we're not living in that environment. People that still carry that trait, it's hard for them to function because back then you have to be more attentive, more aware of your environment. But now you're overstimulated. Uh, my friend has it, and she doesn't like loud noises in the um supermarket, the beaks, the lights, all the unnatural things. So that's what causes her to feel like she's not triggered, what's the word?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:10

Um overstimulated.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:12

Or overstimulated. So I don't know. I think that makes sense, but like my man said, there's more research that needs to be done. So I think people are just trying to come up with theories and trying to look at it in a different way.

Dress Codes, Safety, And Objectification

SPEAKER_06 1:03:26

There's so many theorists at the moment, there's so many studies on different aspects, and that's why they're trying to make it more, that's why they come up with the concept of neuroidiverse, because rather than go in the individual learning difficulties, if they just make it as a whole, then it's easier for everyone to put their attention in just one thing rather than six different learning difficulties. And and when you said about the mental health, 100%, I do believe it relates to that. Definitely affects it, yeah. As a factor, 100%. But what when I'm talking from a learning perspective or a working environment, it's definitely classes and learning difficulties.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:01

Yeah, 100%. I do agree with that. Yeah, man. Um, that was just a little break of the ice. So, pretty privilege. What got with that?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:11

I love it. Does it easily okay, boys? Let's start this one off. Go on, what do you think about pretty privilege? Let's be real, 100% real.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:21

You're asking me? Both of you. I was speaking to my cousin on the way here um in the car, and funny enough, we were talking about that. Um I feel like calling it pretty privilege um is kind of um yeah, it's misleading.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:39

It's a real thing.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:41

No, no, but you have to listen to what I'm saying. You might agree, you might not, but that's okay. Um it can be misleading because yes, pretty privilege may exist, but there are a lot of negative things when it comes to that privilege. How people um see them that are not classed as um pretty, um, how people um judge them um for who they are, like, oh you're only getting that because you're pretty, or you're not smart. Um, the only reason why you got that position because you're good looking. So, yes, it's a privilege in one sense, but I feel like that comes from like jealousy as well, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:18

Um, this is what I mean. Because you're saying, oh, well, you're not pretty enough to have pretty privilege. So why are you getting this, getting that? It comes from jealousy, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:27

Of course, of course. So this is what I mean. I'm not if you ain't pretty, you ain't pretty, bro. Let's just let's just call it.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:33

Everyone's beautiful, let's just put it out there. No, man. There's someone for someone, there's someone for someone.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:39

There's nothing always someone better than you.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:42

There's nothing wrong with being five and sixes, you know, and fours and threes. Like you just stay in your lane. That's it.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:46

That's what I'm saying. There's someone, there's always someone for someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:49

But it doesn't mean you're you're gonna get pretty privilege.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:51

It's just what do you class as pretty?

SPEAKER_11 1:05:53

Me, yeah. You have to be pretty, bro. What is that though? So symmetrical.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:57

Because your dep your definition of pretty might not be my definition of pretty.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:00

Yeah, I understand that, but like if someone's symmetrical, nine times out of ten, they're gonna be pretty, right? Because they're the you can look at them without thinking, what's going on with your face?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:09

But is it beauty on the eye of the beholder?

SPEAKER_11 1:06:11

100% like it is no, it's not, but men men are naturally attracted to to to people who they feel that that they can pass on their jeans on, like it's is beauty on the eye of the beholder, exactly. Just ugly people trying to justify something. It's just wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:28

Like, let's be real. Like, I'm sorry I have to be the one. I'm sorry, man. But let's be honest, you know, if you're gonna like we try to grey the area when really it's semi-black and white. What I mean by that is that even if you don't particularly go for a certain race, yeah, there's certain markers that you'll look for, like that will you then you would be considered pretty. And obviously, it links back to biology and reproduction. So there's there's things that will make you more attractive to the opposite sex, it's not eye of the beholder, it's yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:57

Well, it's like back in the day, people used to find wide hips more attractive because they were like, you're more likely to survive um giving birth. That changed, huh?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:07

Is that changed?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:08

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:09

No, men of the wide hips is what most people want to do.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:11

No, but I'm saying that's the reason. And back then, because obviously the doctors weren't how doctors are now, so it was like a woman with wide hips was seen as more attractive because it's like, yeah, they can they have birthing hips.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:21

Still the same now, you can't outrun our biology. I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works, yeah. I'm gonna see how you deal with this, yeah. So if you're looking at ancient standards, how they seen women as beautiful. If you look up something called the Venus figurines, they are found all over the world. It's figurines of um women with big breasts, big bellies, and big um bums. That was a standard of beauty. It was so much a standard of beauty. They seen them as guardian angels and they bury them in graves all around the world. We find these figurines because that represented not only fertility, but um health in some sense. There's food, your welfare, survival. Yeah, but that's so that's how they seen beauty in the ancient world. But now, but even now today, or let's go, let's try not go too far into history. The standard of beauty for black people was black women, the features, the nose, their hair, their lips, etc. And then we come into this dunya dressing world, all of a sudden, yeah, I don't like dark skinned girls. Yeah, I don't like now. We know it's conditioning as well. So when you say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, yeah, that's kind of true. But however, there can be conditions that make you dislike something, and then once you educate yourself, the thing that you called ugly, now you look at it in a different way and say, Do you know what? Yeah, now that I educate myself, I look at black women in a different way. And if you're a white person, Chinese person, you might say, I look at my own people in a different way. I know Asian people that say that they don't like Asian women because it reminds them of their cousins, and I'm like, I don't understand that. But then they go and date um white women and all that kind of thing there, but it's um it can be a social condition.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:18

Yeah, but the as well again, though, like even with the the like it's funny that you added breasts into there, which is kind of crazy, but even that breast big belly thing, yeah. Like again, it's just goes back to biology, and it's it's a it's a it's a marker that triggers 30.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:31

But now today if you ask most men, do you big breasts and big bat is still the thing? No, no, no, I'm talking about I'm trying to say like that's no I'm I'm talking about what we were considered obese. That's what I'm talking about. If you look at these figurines, I think I've seen what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:44

The body, the body weren't obese, though, it's just the belly.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:46

No, it was listen. Um he's he's gonna bring it up. I know he's the fact checker.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:50

I've actually I think I've known what you're talking about, and I understand the belly. Yeah, but today we will but they weren't all like big, yeah. They were big. They were big. Okay, fair. They were big. What I'm trying to say is that generally, right? Because obviously there's always gonna be exceptions to the rule, all the time, there's always gonna be exception. But generally, I would say that most people will collectively look at someone who's who is pretty and say they're pretty, even if it's not their type, even if it's not that's why I'm saying it's not in the eye of the beholder. I would say generally, everybody can kind of appreciate, even if you wouldn't date them, even if you you can look at someone and be like, all right, they're good looking or they're pretty. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_10 1:10:23

Of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:24

So there's things that are triggering that as humans for us to say that.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:28

Yeah, it's not just random, but um, not only that, that's also society as well. Like, I can look at every single person, no matter what race or background you come from, and I can understand what is seen as beautiful, but attraction will be a different thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:45

Yeah, that's what I said. Everyone's beautiful in their own way.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:48

Like, um, let's just say uh for me, um if I say if I seen someone and someone said, Oh, do you think that girl's nice? I can look at her and think, Oh yeah, I can look at her hair, I can look at her skin tone, look at her features. I'm not attracted to that, but I know by the beauty standards that's what people call beautiful, so I can still see that woman will be considered beautiful, but it might not be my type, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:12

Yeah, but are you answering because society thinks they're beautiful or you generally think they are? I don't think I don't think you could answer just on based on what other people think you got what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:22

No, but I'm saying that I can understand what people consider beautiful, and then make a judgment based on that and say, Do you know what? Yeah. So that means there's markers then, innit? Yeah, but everyone's got a type in it. But it's down to everyone's type though, but I can understand types. I can look at a woman and say, Do you know what? Um, in this society, you won't be considered beautiful because what a sus what society has set as a bar of what beautiful is. So I'm judging it based on that. But however, um, I can have my type and say, Do you know what? I don't I'm not really attracted to that. I can understand people find that beautiful, but not for not for me. I I'm not attracted to that.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

Yeah, but again, that there is actually a science behind this good-looking thing. It's one of the things that you said the symmetrical thing. Yeah, go to the science behind it.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:05

Like, yeah, there is a science behind it, but also we understand society can make you go against science or nature, they can condition you to think otherwise to make you think something beautiful is no longer beautiful. Like you said, the hip swings is that's always been beautiful. But if you condition women to show models that are just slim, yeah, but that just goes with like the timeline.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:26

I remember when I was at school, it wasn't even cool to have a big bum. Now everyone has a big body. Yeah, I don't know. You know what I mean? Like I was like, I remember literally wearing a pink tracksuit and my butt looked massive, and I was so scared to go to school on non-school uniform day because I thought I'd get bullied for it and I probably wouldn't. Yeah, exactly. The social media aspects and stuff like that. When it comes to influences of what pretty is, everyone has their own perspective of what pretty is. When we talk about pretty privilege, we're talking about the fact that we get free stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:58

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:58

When you're doing a lot of people, you only get free stuff because it's just bare sims everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:03

That's the only reason.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:04

That's what you think.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:06

So give give the experience then. So what free things do you get? Why do you think you deserve it? Why do you think just needed?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:11

Like when you go on a night out, yeah, as a pretty girl, you get everything for free. Everything. I mean, everything, drink.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:19

All right, do you give the boom-poom?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:20

No, hell no, so they don't need it.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:22

So there you go. You just proved it.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:24

A man is supposed to be a provider. And for me being pretty, yeah, throw it away. Throw it away. That's a triggering point. That's a triggering point.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:36

You just proved his point. And this is a segue to remind everyone we have a book coming out. It is Don't Be So Simple. Right. So uh just on that then, yeah. You just just give an explanation of why you think pretty privileges stay and you should you should retain it, keep it. Yeah, 100%. But why? What benefit does the men get from giving you stuff for free and not getting the nons?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:02

It's not even about men. Like, I've gone to nightclub, it's not even about the pussy though, either. Like you can go to a nightclub and get in for free because you're a pretty girl. Exactly. And that should that should be, we're there to make the club look pretty.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:14

And as a woman as well, you should be treated as a as a woman. All right.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:20

Can I say this though? Do you feel like there's any cons um to being pretty?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:26

I know what cons you're talking about when guys are a bit touchy or guys can be like make you people can judge you and be like, oh, you're not pretty, you're just giving like you just said, like when they said, Do you give the pump-um? We don't give the pump-um, but you don't need we're gonna get that stigma against that. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:40

And then we don't think, oh, she's definitely giving it out just because she's pretty, she's getting it rhythm for free.

Masculinity, Control, And Representation

SPEAKER_10 1:14:45

You know what I'm saying? I know you said you don't care, but I felt like um there's deeper issues when it comes to that. Yeah, um, sometimes elaborate. What deeper issues sometimes though. I heard um people say, wait until he comes back. He's back. So I've heard women give their experience about pretty privilege and being good looking growing up, how they have been forced to do stuff at a very early age without saying it. Forced to do what?

SPEAKER_11 1:15:15

Now just do it, do so, just do this. I know what you mean, yeah. So, like, depending on where they're from, all that kind of stuff, there's men that will be predators, right? And and they will do certain things in in closed doors because they're pretty.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:29

Yeah, there's bad people everywhere.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:30

There's bad people everywhere, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:31

Just to bring back to the provider thing. Go on. So you go out, so you think men are just to provide to just any not just no, I'm saying just provide to any random person. So then buying you stuff when you are, that's providing, yeah?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:43

No, no, no, no. Well, not really.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:44

So, what do you mean by that then?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:46

Like when you go out as a pretty girl, you'd expect a drink from a guy, you know, on a night out. Why? Because you're pretty. That's that's what that's why it's called pretty privilege. So just because you're pretty unless a as a man, you're a gentleman gentleman for you know, getting a drink for a girl.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:04

Listen, guys, you know, talk to the camera, man. Don't don't listen to what she's saying, bro. Because can I can I say obviously, she gains to to to benefit from saying this to buying a random girl a drink, yeah, which I can probably count on my hands as amount of times I've ever done that, doesn't mean why not doesn't because I I will buy things for women that re uh reciprocate attraction and are interested in me. Then I'll buy you a drink. We finally agree on something. I'm not gonna yeah, I'm not gonna buy a drink for a random girl. I don't care, like, no?

SPEAKER_06 1:16:34

Why would you though? Exactly. No, no, I'm not saying you should. Why wouldn't? Yeah, why would no that I'm saying why would you buy a drink for a random girl? We're not saying it in that sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:43

Because men want to skate with them.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:45

No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is let's be real, you're buying your drink for the one that's gonna be. Then you exchange a conversation and you like how the conversation is going, and then you get yourself a drink, and you're like, Oh, do you want one? Yeah, a girl can a girl can still decline. She'll be like, No, actually, I'm all right, because she doesn't feel anything for you or doesn't want to carry on the conversation, and then other girls can be like, yeah, and then they get the they they get the drink, they carry on the conversation for a little bit longer, and then they cut. So it just depends on who you've actually had an encounter with, because there's many guys I've been offered a drink and I've just declined it because I don't I don't think it's well, but the thing is the answer that you just give, and and I've had you on the show enough time to know that you're somewhat based.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:24

Yeah, but let's just be real about the whole thing. Like 95% of the women getting free drinks that just want a free drink, they're not trying to do anything, they're not interested in the guy.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:33

Then if that happens, they can just go to a promoter. We live in the UK, you can go to promoter, you can literally pay, you rather get him for free with the promoter. I always get him for free, but you can or you can pay£20 and you get free drinks all night on a promoter's table, you enjoy a night with your girls, and you don't even have to talk to a guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:50

Cool, but respectfully, if girls are but you're just using and you're just using man for drinks again, really.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:56

No, because the club has invited me down. Yeah, it's not a man that's invited me down, or it's not, I'm not seeking drinks from anyone. I've literally gone to the club because they want pretty girls in the club. Yeah, they have tables with lots of men, and everyone knows with the club ratio, it always has to be more women than female. I mean more uh females than men because of the whole Tadistron thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:17

Yeah, so no, no, it's not that, it's just that men pay all the money. That's why.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:20

But men don't want to come to a club and see another guy and then another guy and another guy, they want to see some gal.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:27

That's what I'm saying. So they want to pay all the money and they want gal?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:31

Yeah, they want a chance to get with someone.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:34

Oh, so you're okay just like being are you okay just being treated as like an object then? Because that's basically what you're on.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:39

But it sounds amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:40

I just gotta like no, but because that's what it is. Like if you know they're in there just because the man wants to look at you, a man wanna buy you drinks, and man want to move to you, like that's just an object.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:48

No, but I'm in there because I'm gonna have fun. I'm fun with my girls. Exactly. If someone tries to talk to me and I decline, I have the option to decline. Because whether I've got in there for free or if I've paid the entry, I can still have that control whether to climb decline or not. If a guy has invited me out, that's different. If you've invited me out, you buy me drinks, you buy me food. That's your provocative because you've invited me down to the club or the restaurant or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:13

That's a fair point. Do you believe in equality?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:17

No, huh?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:18

No, you don't know. Oh, that's fair, then you can't do that. Do you?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:21

50-50.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:22

50-50. Yeah. Do you the biggest contradiction I've ever heard in my life then? Because men are meant to buy your drinks free because you're a girl, but you believe in equality.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:29

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:30

It depends on that. Just like the record. I don't believe in equality.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:33

Yeah. Well, I believe that in some ways we should be equal. Oh, just the ways that benefit you. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:40

At least you're on it. At least you're, you know, at least you're on it. That's fair. So pretty privileged. Outrage of simps everywhere. Guys, listen. We love the simps. Spend your money. I um, and this is the thing. I don't believe, I don't believe in equality. I believe women should be treated differently, right? As in, like, they should be protected, they should be provided for, but you should be providing for the women that are interested in you. Don't provide to the random women. Don't be buying the olivans and all that stuff. That's not gonna benefit you. Because it's not gonna benefit, it's not, it's not gonna benefit you. Obviously, you stand to game, and no matter what I say today, they're still gonna buy it anyway, so it doesn't matter. But what I would encourage them to not and spend your time and money on women that are interested in you. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. Don't be simping out here and buying drinks for a girl, buying bottles and all. No, it would take your girl out, take a gal out, take them out on a date. Can I just say and even then it's not safe? They might just be using you for a meal, so it's just it's peak.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:35

Well, that's why we have coffee dates now. If they do that to me, I'll do that to them. Coffee date.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:39

Coffee date, that's what we do. Guys,£3.50 coffee date.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:44

Buy me the whole bottle instead.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:45

Nope, don't do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:47

No, it would actually give me the ick if I was in a club and the guy just buying like loads of girls' drinks. I wouldn't like it.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:53

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:54

But if they bought me drinks for nice, okay. I would it's different. Like, I like I like the attention just on me. I wouldn't want it to be like your for everyone, not for everyone.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:03

Social media is just ruined society.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:05

It's cut no, no, but ruin society. Again, it's I'm always a big believer of like don't take anyone take anything from anyone if you're not willing to give something back. So again, I wouldn't give anyone the time of day if I didn't actually see a conversation or something. You have brothers, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:21

How many?

SPEAKER_06 1:21:22

Four.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:23

So she that's why for the record, for the record. Um, I'm not saying that men should just go to the club just to get the nuns. And if you buy a girl a drink, don't expect the nines. Yeah, but in this society, no, I have to say for records.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:36

Oh, okay, okay, yeah. Do you think that is do you think that women should be objectified?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:40

Not really, no. No, no, what do you mean by that? Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:43

So I'm I'm asking her, innit?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:45

Because obviously it shouldn't be. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:49

So just to be clear, I'm just I just want you like if you could have a job description of a dancer, but what would the job description be?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:58

Well, as a dancer of what I do, yeah, yeah. What do you mean by what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:02

Um I'm I'm asking you, do you think there should be objectived? But like stripping, that's basically all it is, isn't it? Like you're lucky.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:07

Well, the fact if we're a stripper at the end of the day, we're still a human being.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:11

Yeah, but I'm not disputing that. I'm saying it's it's a it's a thing that you're being objectified, if you get what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:17

Kind of, yeah. Well, it's it's it's all entertainment, isn't it?

unknown 1:22:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:21

So you're walking quantity. It's never that deep. It's never that deep. No, I'm just saying, obviously, because do you believe you don't think they should be objectified, I'm gonna assume.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:29

I don't I that's why I asked you what do you mean by that objectifying? Oh, you think in what way?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:35

So just objectify is like seen as like just like an object, like a sexual.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:38

Oh, yeah, no, 100% no. I I think I don't think they should be, but I think they are. It depends on where they are. Like, I feel like in a nightclub it's a social environment, so you shouldn't believe that if you talk to me it's gonna result in sex. But if you're in a but if you're in a certain environment, then that not saying that that's what's gonna happen, but it could be a possibility. I think the possibility is definitely higher.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:02

What do you mean by environment? Stripclub club.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:05

No, I don't even mean I don't even mean by I don't even mean by a strip club. I mean like if someone was like escorting or something like that, that's a possibility that could be on the cards. Um, that that could lead to because there's escorts that just go on dates, and then there's escorts that go on dates and go on further things. But the probability is like higher than being just in a nightclub because a nightclub it's free for. It's like maybe you'll go home with someone, maybe you won't. And it's like but then but then it also comes to like guys trying to objectify girls with what they're wearing. Like they'll wear certain outfits and they're like, oh, well, you're wearing that, you're basically wearing nothing. So that means that you're easy to get. And it's like, imagine being, imagine thinking I'm so easy to get and you still don't hit it.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:47

Nah, this is okay. You've done a lap, now you've done a lap.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:52

Alright, so let me ask you a question.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:53

Let me ask the question. Alright, dream real disream. All right, let me clan it. Because we haven't even used no buttons today. Serious conversation, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's been but there's so much to unpack there, it's crazy. So the first thing is about is the wearing, is the clothing.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:12

No, men should men should be taught how to keep the D in the pants and respect our women. It doesn't matter for what we wear, we can wear whatever we want.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:22

The D and their money.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:24

Sometimes, yeah, but I'm gonna disagree. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:30

You're probably gonna okay, go on. We'll probably agree.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:32

No, you're saying that men need to be taught, but you have to take the responsibility. We can't educate a single man, we can't ever educate. There's always gonna be predators, always gonna be predatory.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:42

Always gonna be a predator, exactly. So, so so so so wait. So you're saying that it's our fault because a man is a predator. I did not say that.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:50

Can I ask you a question? You wasn't playing it. No, no, let me know. That's not why you're saying, I'm gonna go. Do I need another calm it down? This is calm it down, right? So just to be clear, so if you seen a guy, right? Ripped up clothes, muddy clothes, um I don't know, he's got dirt on his face, um, I don't know, t-shirt ripped up and that stains everywhere.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:20

He's a crackhead.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:23

Oh, so what so basically what you confirm so hold up. So basically, what you're confirming.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:29

You might be cunning your west.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:31

No, no, no. But basically, what she's saying is that you can look at someone and give an opinion based on how they look, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:25:36

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:37

Alright, so if you're dressed like a stripper, yeah. Yeah, or if you're dressed like a prostitute, you think it's wrong for them to assume that you're a prostitute?

SPEAKER_06 1:25:46

No, I'm not saying assumptions is fine. We're saying how you act, where you feel like you can physically treat us as a certain way.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:53

I don't think that touching should be a thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:55

But what I'm saying is the way that man's gonna approach you is gonna be differently. Then if we went to a gat to went to a ball gal and seen you in a proper long dress and you don't dress, you're not dressed like a like a like a hookah, man are gonna approach you differently.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:08

Look, it was just Halloween, everyone was dressed like a fucking hookah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:11

Yeah, but that's just an excuse. Yeah, but Halloween's just an excuse for people to dress like hookers. But the point I'm trying to make is if you dress like a police officer, I'm gonna assume that you're a police officer.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:20

Yeah, so you're saying that guy who's dressed like a snuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:23

No, I'm just saying, if you if you dress, if you've got the uniform of a strip of a of a of a prostitute, I might assume that you're one. You might not be one, but like we've got to get rid of this narrative of, oh, it doesn't matter what I wear, treat me the same. We don't, that's not no, that's not the world that we live in. You're not gonna treat a guy who looks broke the same as a guy who looks presentable, are you?

SPEAKER_06 1:26:42

What I'm saying is that if you saw someone like you just that person looked rich, no, because you didn't get it. No, not you.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:48

I'll get you now though, but I'll be there. You're not gonna treat a guy, you're not gonna get you're not gonna treat a guy who looks rich like a poor guy.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:55

No, I'm not, definitely not.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:56

I understand what you're saying. But what I'm trying to say is when you said about the guy who has done his face, dying clothing, all I'm gonna do is approach with caution because of society is caught like condition does in a way where there's people randomly stabbing people, there's people like doing certain things on trains and stuff like that, going a bit, going a bit No, it's like being cautious. I'm not gonna treat them any way, I'm not gonna say anything to them, I'm not gonna approach them in any way, I'm just gonna be cautious where it's a thing where it would be simple as okay, then we'll yeah, and I listen, I understand what you're saying, and I'm in no way trying to say that men should be touching women just because they're just in a certain way.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:37

I'm not okay, I don't think they should, and I think that what one thing that men can improve on is rejection. It's terrible, and since I've been doing this show, I've realized that rejection therapy's not interested, bro. Just just leave, man. Millions of women in the world were like just loud.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:52

And then don't insult.

False Allegations, Vetting, And Receipts

SPEAKER_03 1:27:53

Yeah, I think that's wet. I think that's wet. We can improve on that. But my question that I have for you is how do prostitutes dress? Like, if you could if you could Well, have you seen them in the street? No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, if you could describe a prostitute to me, like what would they like dress-wise, like dress sense wise?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:11

Like, there's what there's none in the UK though. Like, from from TV programmes you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:16

There's no prostitutes in the UK. There is okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:19

Come on, man, come on. SO I mean escorts.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:21

No, no, prostitutes. No, there's prostitutes. Yeah, no, there's prostitutes.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:25

My question is, oh, like even on T. Okay, let's just talk about TV. I haven't seen any film. I haven't seen any real prostitutes. How did it dress? Okay, um, yeah, so TV, they they wear they're on the corner and leather.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:37

No, that's not my question. My question is how do they dress?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:40

Usually in leather. Describe it.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:43

Let the whole skirt and yeah, well short skirt, bare skin out, yeah, tiny skirt, tight tops, big heels, tiny top.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:51

Why did a dress like lipstick?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:53

Who attracts the men off the streets?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:55

To attract what, sorry?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:56

Attracts the men off the streets. Why is that attract to make them to make them some money, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:00

Why is that attract?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:01

Why, why are they why because men are easy, okay? Men like that are easy, and they will literally hit anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:08

I'm trying hard to give you analogies and and and things to try and make you understand. The point I'm trying to make is no matter what you think and how you think the world should be, we have to live in how the world is. Yeah, yeah. So, depending on what things I'm talking about, I'll give my opinion on it. I can give an opinion on how I think it should be, and then I can give an opinion on how it is. Yeah. Now, how it is is this, and the reason I'm saying this is because I don't have kids right now, but if I had a daughter, I'll be telling her the same thing. The world's not equal. If you dress in a certain way, man's gonna talk to you in a certain way. If you carry yourself in a certain way, they're gonna talk to you in a certain way. Forget I can wear anything I want and treat me the same. That's not how the world works. That's not how it works for we in that realm in particular for women. Because I'm sure you can agree, it's hard for you in every realm for people to take you seriously in like professions and things, because unfortunately, the first. First thing, especially a man, is gonna see sex first. That's just a biological thing. But can I Yeah? So because of that, you have to try even harder to get away from that to avoid that being an issue.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:12

Okay, but can I also say no matter what clothing we wear, we still get sexualized. Yeah, and it's not fair. Even if it's in a fucking track. Me being a teacher, yeah. As soon as I say to a guy, what do you do? They go, Oh, your teacher, oh, I bet the students like you. Yeah, well, wait, let me finish, let me finish. Yeah, and I'm like, Well, no, they're students, and it's like I don't see them in that way, and I don't entertain that sort of conversation, whatever, whatever, etc. etc. But I've actually been penalized in a school because the way clothes fit me doesn't fit Stacy, who's 45 years old with big belly, a big bum. And like, you know what I mean? But I'm wearing the same dress she is, yeah, I'm sexualized because I have different curves in different places.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:58

Yo, it's right. It got to the point where I hear what you're saying.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:02

It got to the point where I got told I had to wear baggier clothes, baggier clothes. I'm wearing clothes that don't even fit me, that are two sizes bigger, just because I've got curves in that I was born with, I haven't had any surgery, I haven't done anything to modify my body, yeah. Just because whoever is in charge in the school or whatever doesn't like that I look better than them.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:25

Can I ask you a question? Because I like to ask questions, yeah, because I like to challenge the logic just to understand where we're going from. So yeah, I understand the school thing, and you gotta wear you might have to wear looser clothes, and but just be honest with me right now, right? You know the things you're talking about, like the you know, the curves and the have you ever used that to your advantage?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:46

Like what do you mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:48

What do you mean? So what have you ever have you ever used these things that you have for your advantage, like with men?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:56

I wouldn't think so. I know what looks good on me. So if I'm trying to look more appealing, if that's what you're saying, and I've worn a dress that's more appealing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:05

But like so, obviously, everything comes with good and bad, innit? So like you have to.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:09

I get what you're I get what you're saying, but why can't I wear a dress that's obviously fits me?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:15

Because man like ass and tits, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:17

But men like I'm not saying it's purposely tight, I'm just saying it's literally my size.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:20

If someone's telling you why they're saying it, yeah, uh-huh, because they like that and it's gonna show more, it's gonna be obvious.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:28

No, but literally, someone else who's got a different body shape, like I said, a bit more on the big side, yeah, can wear something tight, but it's not a problem because there's fat everywhere, so no one's gonna find that attractive. But this is what I'm saying, she's allowed to wear clothes that fit her, but probably don't fit her, don't fit her, yeah, like you said. And then I wear something that does fit me, and then it's a problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:47

Because young men, that's it. Unfortunately, life's not fair, it's just one of those things. But when when when the clean when you get in the club for free, because that's one of the reasons. You know what I'm gonna say? Like, I mean, it's I know what I'm saying. Like, I'm not I'm not trying, and this is the thing, I'm not trying to like minimize your experience when it comes to that. Because I believe that's something that women do go through. I do it's true, but it's it's like again, it's back to biology, and I don't think men should torture or even say anything inappropriate, but when we look and see it, we're gonna have a natural reaction to that.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:16

And I understand. You know what I'm saying? No, I understand 100% what you're saying. But what I'm saying is that when I'm objectifying, when I'm not even trying to be objectified, or I'm not even trying to, like you said, am I using it to my advantage? No, I'm literally just trying to go to work. Not in school.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:28

Yeah, I'm not talking about it when you're in school.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:30

No, no, I know, I know. But what I'm I know they're not saying that, but what I'm trying to just put a scenario is that when I'm literally not trying to, I'm not trying to use it for my advantage, I'm literally just trying to wear my clothes. So what I'm trying to say is that whatever we wear, like you said, guys like tits and ass and whatever, yeah, we're gonna.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:46

Like where that American accent come from. All right, there's guys in the room. Let me just ask quickly. Sorry to cut you off. There's guys in the room. When you approach someone, is it true are you do you approach them differently based on like how they look when it comes to women? Because for me, if I see an elegant person with a drink, I'm gonna approach them a little bit differently than like if I see someone at the club and you know what I'm trying to say. So I don't know if that's just me.

SPEAKER_10 1:34:08

Um, what I what I will say, if I'm attracted to someone, I'm gonna be like talking to her on a different level now, whether it's out of interest or a subconscious thing, where I'm giving her more energy and eye contacts and or even looking away, like yo.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:23

So just to be clear, every girl that you've like spoken to, you'd wife them then. Because that's what I'm trying to get at. It's because I know that I've spoken to the reason I'm saying that is because I know I've spoken to people that like it's not I'm not you get me, I'm not trying to wife, I'm not trying to you might have a little bit of you know what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_10 1:34:43

I'm not saying um in terms of like wifing someone, but if you see someone is beautiful, you're gonna be like, wow, she's beautiful and it's gonna draw you in. That's what attraction is. Yeah, of course. But it doesn't mean like I'm gonna approach her, what's your number, I like you. It doesn't always mean that you can appreciate beauty in the face, beauty in the face, anything, um body, beauty, beauty, you you're gonna be attracted to it. You can't, it's hard to fight that, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:07

I know what I'm asking is that depending on how they're how how they're presenting themselves, would you approach them differently?

SPEAKER_10 1:35:12

Are you are you just yeah, me, I would.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:14

I would okay, and just hands out after camera, I'll let's say hands up if you treat them differently based on how they look. Not treating them differently, that's different.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:21

Okay, how I was the way you would approach them. Yeah, so if a woman is dressed a certain way, um, for me, is red flags for me, myself. Yeah, I've got most men.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:31

I'd be like, and this, yeah, I'm trying to say this to you, ladies, just to let you know that this is how men think. And a lot of people come on the show. Yes, in an idol world, yeah, in fairyland, yeah, fairies, woo. I can wear what I want, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't work like that. Like men will see you a certain way, right? And that's why I asked you if you've got brothers, because they probably said all this shit to you, and this is why you're aware of it. Because men know how men see women, and we don't want our girls, we don't want our women in our family to dress a certain way because we know how men are gonna look at you.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:04

Yeah, but half the time do you actually think that we care what you think of what we were?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:10

No, it's funny that you say that because you seem semi-triggered when you said, Oh, you think you can come and talk to me just because of fingers.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:16

Yeah, like personally, when I go out and I dress nice, but I don't give a fly.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:21

You say that, but you put your strip on like your walking content, it's actually crazy. All right, then go to the strip club, yeah. Yeah, woolly clothes dog, woolly wool, big baggy trousers, big why not? I just don't care. I'll still get it. Um I'll still make that money.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:37

You're the I am the Lulu.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:40

Yeah, you definitely do. I wish, yeah. I wish I wish we could walk around like people do in the motherland naked, but we do not live in that world, we we live in a different society, unfortunately. Where people are centralise, so you have to realize stop living in la la land and realize the reality of the world.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:00

We finally agree. Finally, let's say um, but listen, if you can take anything away, you can say you don't care, but I would like to think, and you might, I might be wrong, I would like to think that someday, someday, you want to find a nice guy, have a family, maybe, settle down. Not necessarily get married, but you're 20 now, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:37:21

Yeah, I'm just gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:21

Yeah, it's funny, there's like a there's like a trend that I notice on this particular channel. To be fair, from like 20 to 25, if I don't give a fuck, get me.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:29

Then ask me again in five years, you're gonna say you might have a different answer, right? But for now, I just don't care. I'm living my life.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:37

But what you do now will affect you in the future, that's what I'm trying to ask.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:40

Well, to be fair, for my future, I don't want any kids anyway.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:43

Alright, fair.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:44

I just want to live my life, travel, do whatever, what the fuck I want.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:48

Fair.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:49

And that's my mindset for now. Ask me again in five years, might change, you never know.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:53

Fair.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:53

Can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_10 1:37:55

Um, what led you to become a stripper?

SPEAKER_05 1:37:59

Well, to be fair, I've always been a dancer since I was very young. So it was always something I wasn't interested in. Before I started stripping, I used to work in sales. I tried it out, I liked it even better. Fucked off the other job.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:14

Are we gonna be real?

SPEAKER_05 1:38:15

Because this is a I just like it. I like it. I enjoy what I do. You know, I'm good at it, I make money.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:21

Translation, she makes more money from it, and it was easier to use it. And in defence.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:25

Well, easy money, yes. Easy money.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:27

Yeah, that's the normally the answer, isn't it?

SPEAKER_11 1:38:30

In defense is it. Which is fine. You do only fans as well, don't you? Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:33

Subscribe.

unknown 1:38:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:37

At least she semi works though. You're the double, you're the double whammy. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:42

You gotta do what you gotta do at the end of the day, don't you, sweetie?

SPEAKER_11 1:38:44

You have to be quite athletic to be a stripper, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 1:38:46

Oh, yeah. So so but you can't work the poll like me.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:48

Me, no, I'm alright, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:50

Give it a go.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:51

I don't want the poll like you do, but you know what I mean. But what I will say is that you might as well just say you don't mind women being objectified.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:58

Not really, because even if I'm a stripper or an OF model, I'm still a human being, so treat me like a human being. I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:06

But you know, that's not what I'm saying. They're paying, they're objectifying you, that's why they're giving you money or something.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:10

So you say um I'm still a human being, but you're attracting people that are not gonna treat you like a human being. They're not going there to connect. This is true, man. They're just trying to.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:19

I mean, you're not wrong, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:22

Well, at least I'm making money from it, so I feel like in the future you potentially may look back at this and say, What was I doing? Maybe.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:30

I hope that but it's not time yet.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:33

Literally, ever stripper, every stripper, porn star, corn star, everyone. Sorry, corn star, they all look back and say that yeah, they regret it, to be fair. Well, for some reason we don't live. Not every stripper, to be fair, no, but most, but most, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:48

I'd say probably 75%.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:50

The two biggest porn stars ever, right? They regret it and they want trying to get all their stuff taken down.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:56

Okay, or all their videos, yeah.

Media Gatekeepers, Outrage, And Culture Shift

SPEAKER_03 1:39:58

All their videos, and obviously it's never gonna get to it's just it's doesn't have to be a good thing. No, once it's on internet, it's always there, it's always there, like it's never gonna get taken down. So when you from when when you get encarted on camera, it's always gonna be there. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 1:40:09

I don't know if you do or don't, but would you want your if you had a child, and no you say you don't want kids, would you want the life that you live, OnlyFans stripping, to be a destination for your child? Oh, 100% no, 100% no.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:22

What is that? Never, never. Why it's all fun? Like, all right, I have fun, but I'd ne but I'd never actually let my child to do that. Like, it's you can do so so many better things than that. So had that same ambition for yourself, then I don't understand. Well, this is what I want to do, okay? I'm happy with doing it. Okay, I have fun while doing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:43

What if you what if your daughter was happy and fun and enjoyed doing it?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:46

Then I'll quit.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:47

No, no, no. I'm saying like she's saying that she she thinks she would enjoy it and she's happy and fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:52

No, she she's definitely not doing it. My daughter will never do that. So you know it's wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:56

So you know it's wrong. I know it's wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:58

I know it's I know it's wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:00

Do you know what I like about you though? Go. You are a big walking contradiction. Well, at least at least, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:06

I question my own life on a fucking daily or something.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:08

Well, at least you'll admit yeah, I'll I'll hold it. You'll say, you know what, maybe you're right. That's cool. That's cool. Uh that's fair, that's fair. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:16

Yeah, but you gotta remember as well, like, especially with the working world right now, there are a lot of people that are doing certain things like influencing and social media and OnlyFans and things like that. It's the world we're kind of they're kind of getting built up. Yeah, they see that fast money is much more attractive than going to a nine to five. When we were growing up, it was like we saw it on like pro TV programs, sitcoms, stuff like that. We're constantly seeing people hardworking and stuff like that. Now it's about fast money. Now it's about living in Dubai or going to Saudi or um living in the club or whatever. So, how do you get fast money? It's by doing these fast money jobs.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:59

I agree with that.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:00

So they've been around. Well, the molecular is quicker anyway. Exactly. Fast money, it goes quick just as fast. But they're being conditioned in that way.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:07

Yeah, maybe you might be right. You might be right.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:10

Yeah, she's only 20. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:12

No, but there's other 20 year olds that don't want to do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:14

I'm not saying that, but I'm saying it's something that she finds uh that she enjoys. Yeah, yeah. She says she's done dancing, she enjoys it, she enjoys getting the money. Maybe this is a job she finds attractive right now, but in the future she might something that's more no. But if she no, no, no, no, no, no, listen, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. No, no, forget that.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:35

Did you strip at 20?

SPEAKER_06 1:42:36

29.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:36

Did you strip no, did you strip at 20?

SPEAKER_06 1:42:39

Huh?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:41

At 20, did you strip it?

SPEAKER_06 1:42:43

But the age difference is no, I'm saying her generation is completely different.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:46

No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. This ain't about generations because. Yes, it is. Because prostitution is being for time.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:51

No, wait, wait, wait. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. I just said about social media, how OnlyFans, remember COVID happened, and everyone was jumping on the OnlyFans bandwagon, and and people were putting out there that you can get what 60k in like three months or whatever. If I wasn't what 17, 18 year old, you must have been 17, 18 when you COVID happened, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:43:15

Younger.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:15

Okay, younger. But let's just say, yeah, 60, 15, 16, and COVID happened, and you're hearing about people getting like 30k a month, and then you're like, oh, I have to work nine to five, yeah, for a whole month to get two grand. Obviously, I'd be influenced and being like, yeah, cool, but I've grown up in a different society where hard work, hard labor, get to the top is a different perspective. Theirs is more fast money, fast um, spend the money, even spend that money, don't save. This generation does not save.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:45

Yeah, because fast money, anyone who makes fast money doesn't keep fast money the money. Yeah, and what I will say is you just need to be smart with it. The more the longer I've done this show, right? And I'm not trying to insult anything, the longer I've done this show is the more I realise that women don't want to take accountability, yeah, and you don't take each other accountable as well. And I'm not saying to beep or say anything, but what I will say is this, yeah. Like if I was a woman in particular, right? And I wasn't someone who number one, I I I've tried to make a career, and I know how hard it is because men sexualise you, but the reason men are sexualising you so much is for certain things like that. Now, I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do it, I'm just giving my opinion, and I'm saying that as a guy, or not not me in particular, but if if guys see that strippers, only fans, the way they act, because you have to act a certain way to sell it, right? That's making it worse for people that even use you as an example that want to get into an actual career because the sexualization.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:40

No, but if the no careers is completely different, career you have to work for, career you have to get degrees or qualifications and stuff like that. You can't just walk into a job because you've got big boobs and a big arc. You still have to work for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:58

So you're saying that have you ever like tried a career?

SPEAKER_06 1:45:00

Punning.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:01

Are you a teacher now?

SPEAKER_06 1:45:01

Yeah, I'm a teacher.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:02

So along the way, have you never been treated differently because you're a woman and you've been sexualized?

SPEAKER_06 1:45:06

I wouldn't say sexualized, but I've been treated differently because I'm a woman, like I'm not competent enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:11

So I'm saying these things is what makes men think that women are sexual objects, is what I'm trying to say to you. Is she not not me, men in general?

SPEAKER_11 1:45:18

To be fair, you didn't say it. You said that you have to wear baggy clothes.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:22

That's what sexualizes it makes it harder for you not to be looked at as a sexual object, is what I'm trying to say to you. That's what it does.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:27

No, I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:28

But what I'm saying is that she's like, The women that like you should be saying, yo, let's all stop that, because that's making it hard.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:33

Because you can't tell anybody what they don't want to do. Like I said when you said about equality, I don't believe we're equal. I believe that men are definitely higher than women, and it always will be that in that society, I'm happy for my husband just to be going to work and I look after the children. And if he wants me to get a side hustle, I'll get a side hustle. I'm happy in that. But the women have become so independent and so, oh, I don't need a man where it makes me difficult to be with a man that will accept that lifestyle now. Feminine back, no, but we no no no no.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:01

We listen to no no no no no we listen to no no we listen to you guys, we listen to you, we listen to yes, we listen to it. We heard men hurt, listen, men hurt for 10, 15 years. I don't need no man, I'm independent. I talk with men hurt, so men are like, okay, better. That's what they want.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:20

They like getting harder every single day because men are turning more feminine by the motherfucking day.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:26

We you wanted men to be more in touch with their feminine side, you wanted toxic masculinity out the window, and you wanted to be independent, but there's a difference between toxic.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:35

There's a difference toxic masculine.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:37

You know, do you know where toxic toxic masculinity comes from? Go, elaborate. So tell me, it came from a study, right? Where they was basically studying in a prison why um people are so violent. So, for instance, like you'd step on someone's foot and they'd start a fight. They was trying to figure out why. So it's not even a real thing, it's just a name that they gave a study for basically men being men, masculine, the more men are more violent, there's more testosterone, men are more violent. Like, and now it's been labeled as masculinity, but yeah, you have to accept the bad with the good. So if you want a masculine man that wants to lead you and do all these things, they're gonna be masculine, which means they're probably more prone to more violence. But that does not mean you need to be aggressive. No, but what I'm saying is men are more naturally aggressive because of their hormones, yes, yeah, but how you are more emotional, but it's as well.

Mixed Identity, Acceptance, And Jealousy

SPEAKER_06 1:47:22

We accept it, accept us. No, no, no, but it's a it's a situation as well, there's different levels, like again. If we're if we're too emotional, it's like, oh my god, period. Oh my god. No, it's not we accept it. She's got a bipolar or she's got issues, like, or she's got past trauma or something like that. There's all like I said, there's still certain levels, okay? And again, with men, there's being masculine, there's being a strong man taking lead and saying, Look, you be here at this time, I need you ready for this time of going here and taking the lead. That's fine, but it's the aggressiveness that comes with it is not needed if when it comes to control. So there's a fine line, there's a control, and there's masculine with women, there's expressing your feelings and there's being emotional. There's two different fine lines, and I don't think there's a difference between that with women.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:13

I accept it both ways, I understand. I've you're just gonna cry. I'm better no reason. I've literally been with women that just will cry, and I'm asking, like, what's wrong? And it's like, I don't know. I'm just crying. You've probably done it yourself.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:24

I'm crying, but I don't cry that guy. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:28

Have you cried and you just don't know why you cry?

SPEAKER_06 1:48:29

No, no, no, no. I quite I quite sad stuff on the TV. I love like the flavor that's sad, but I'll cry. But like when it comes to emotion, emotions and stuff, yeah, there are times where I'm just like I'm very emotionally aware.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:42

But I need to- Again, you're asking for a fairy tale because like you do know that like the more the more masculine the guy is, the more control it's probably going to be.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:50

But again, I'm not asking him to be. You can jump in peek.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:55

I know you, you little feminists. Go on. Yeah, go on. Go on.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:00

Nah, you're you're being a bit wrong there. Like, not every man that's masculine has that kind of energy. That's not what I said. No, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:07

I said the more masculine you are, no, I disagree with that.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:11

All right, fair. Because so some men do have patience and wisdom in that in that sense, and they're and they're as as masculine as well. Because they understand what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:18

Just to be clear, what is controlling to you? It's telling you he doesn't want you to wear a certain thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:24

Oh, definitely. No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:26

So, is that controlling? I don't so you don't want a masculine fair, yeah, but that's fair for you because certain things are. Do you think that's controlling? 100%. You don't want a masculine man, so move on from you.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:36

No, I definitely want a masculine man. I do not need a man to tell me what I want to wear or what. You don't want a masculine man to wear a man that can protect his girl and his feelings and men against us. That's a man.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:51

Okay, what if he yeah, but get into a fight because you wore no clothes and then there's idiots out there, so then now he has to come and fight them, potentially get stabbed or die.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:59

Okay, no, you're taking it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:01

But it's no, no, because that's what I'm telling you. What's that's what happened.

SPEAKER_10 1:50:04

No, I think I think you have a stereotype of masculinity. All right, tell me what, tell me. I do, he does. He does. Um, I think your stereotype of masculinity is like stepping on someone's shoe and rah and I'm controlling that. What you're expressing is a negative aspect of what men do, basically. And if you go to different cultures around the world, you you'll find masculinity expressed in different ways. Some of them are a bit more calm. If you go to like Ethiopian culture, the men are a bit more laid back. If you go to Nigerian culture, they're a bit more assertive. Um however, in different cultures and different situations, they will still get the respect of the of the women if they're functioning in the in the right way. So I feel like it's very westernized um masculinity that you're express expressing.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:53

You yield the floor.

SPEAKER_10 1:50:55

Yeah, you're just waiting to wait to read it. No, I'm just waiting out.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:57

I don't yield the floor. So yeah, I wasn't actually saying what I was trying to point out is that the more tostest you are, the more testation you have, is the more violent you're gonna be. And that's an aspect of masculinity as in like as biologically.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:10

Alright, so control yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:11

And most men do control themselves. That's what I'm trying to say. So, but anyways, the point I was trying to make is that I'm not saying that you have to be violent to be masculine. That's not what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is masculine men normally they're very structured, they're very like goal-oriented, they know what they want. Normally, they don't want their women wearing a certain thing. They're normally traits that a masculine guy will have.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:31

Don't you think that's insecurity?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:33

No, you can call it insecurity, but what's more secure? All right, so give me a.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:36

I'd definitely call it insecurity. If a man wouldn't let me to wear whatever the fuck I want, he's insecure. He's scared of other man looking at me.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:45

Yield the floor. Yeah, I disagree. No, I've got respond. Do you yield the floor? What? I'm trying to be more like I'm done now. So what's more secure? What's more secure do you think, yeah? Because all men don't want their girl dressed like that. Okay. It's unless they're with them.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:01

Okay. So what's more secure? The guy that doesn't want you to wear like that, but doesn't say anything to you, or the guy who doesn't want you to wear it and says something to you and says, no, I don't like that. What's more secure?

SPEAKER_05 1:52:13

I'd rather have a man that lets me what lets me wear what I want.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:18

So you don't want a masculine manner, that's what I'm trying to say. That's my point.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:20

I'm not saying that's not masculine. That's still masculine.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:22

You want a man who would do whatever you want, but buys your stuff and protects you and provides for you, but lets you do whatever you want. Yeah, you can't. That man doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:30

I'm not saying to my one. I'm saying what I'm wearing, it's my choice. It's not his choice, it's my choice. Right. If you go out, I'm the woman that's wearing it, he's my protector. If anything happens, he can do something about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:44

Do you think the woman represents the man?

unknown 1:52:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:47

So if you dress like a whore, do you think he wants you to dress like a whore?

SPEAKER_05 1:52:51

Not really.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:51

So could you represent because you're representing him?

SPEAKER_05 1:52:53

But I'm not ready. I'm not representing him, I'm representing myself.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:57

As I'm talking to him, I can talk. Okay. I can see. I'm like, I can see the programming, I can I can see it glitching out because obviously you've heard this on TV shows, Cardi B, and all I'm saying. No, I'm gonna wear what I want, and I can see how that I'm talking to you, and the pro the glitching of the program is glitching out. Yeah, so I'm gonna say it to you again. If you think you represent your man, which you normally do, you don't want you dressed like a whore. Because that means men are gonna think you're wife in up a whore. And men don't want that.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:29

Some men.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:31

And if you know what, you're not wrong, but the guys that you want, which is masculine, which you said, they're not gonna want that. That doesn't make him insecure, it makes him secure if he tells you I don't like that, don't do it. That makes him secure, not insecure. Insecure is he don't like it and not say nothing.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:48

Yeah, he has to express why he doesn't like and a masculine man's gonna say how to the no, you're not going out like that.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:54

And it's a big part of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:54

Well, you learn something new every day, eh?

SPEAKER_10 1:53:56

It's a big part of protection. You said you want him to protect you. He doesn't want to go out there and start fighting people because he knows what's that going to attract. He don't want to be fighting next man because you're dressed in a certain way.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:07

So he's yeah, but he'd only be fighting someone if he actually touches me inappropriately, you know.

SPEAKER_10 1:54:12

Which is that's prone, that's the world we live in. And not only that though, it's the attention that you you'll be getting, so he could be out with you, and then men are preying on you with their eyes. That's another thing. Like, I don't know your stripper, so I don't know if you're open to that. But I'm saying a lot of women, they're gonna like realize actually, yeah. This man is trying to hit on me because of the way that I'm dressed. Um, this man is looking at me in a certain way, perving on me. Because my tits are out, yeah. And then now you're with the man, and now the man seeing this is like, yo, why go on? That like you're good.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:42

But I've noticed, I've noticed from doing this show that that the ladies don't really understand violence. Like, like men, we understand violence. So for instance, here, and even men ourselves almost like like me and you now, there's always a silent um possibility of violence when it comes to men. So naturally, unless you want to fight a man, you're gonna have that silent respect because you know if you do a certain thing, say a certain thing, violence can kick off. It's not like that with ladies like you heard her earlier, she was like, Oh wow, if I'm dressed like this, and my match come and protect me. You don't understand the world that we live in, that if I go outside a club and then a man's with three man, and then I get my head boss and I drop on the club, boss my head, and then I bleed out and I die. Like, that's the consequences. So if I know if I'm gonna fight for something, it needs to be worth it, not just because you were dressed like a certain way, you've attracted the wrong man, and now I gotta go and get my head boss because or you gotta call the police to get their head boss. A man's getting his head boss, is what I'm saying. It ain't the women, the women ain't cobbing, they're hiding behind the guys to get their head boss. I do myself, and now we're gonna do the Lulu. You're the Lulu, but you're honest with it, so you know. But I'm just letting you know I know you you obviously you quite know. I'm just letting you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:55

Try and deprogram the Cardi B. I don't cook, I don't clean, I don't, I know, I know, I know it's hard out there, I get it, man. It's programmed it, but you should care what men want if you want to attract a man.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:06

Yeah, but if I want one, you don't want a man. I don't want a man. Are you not right now?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:10

Leave it, leave it, leave it, leave it, leave it, leave it.

unknown 1:56:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:15

What are you trying to do there?

SPEAKER_06 1:56:17

What are you trying to do there? You don't want to be like Cardi B anyway.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:21

No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:22

Like, she's isn't a man like having six kids. Exactly. A man is having six kids, so like offset's taking 50% of all.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:29

So let me just clear that. So you left the man for cheating, the father, to get rid of a guy who cheats more.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:36

He's got he's got six trauma. He's got six kids.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:39

That's actually crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:40

Trauma, is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:41

So just to be clear, like you just sleep with men then, like you don't want a man, you don't want to keep a man, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:56:46

Because you said you don't want a relationship, so you just yeah, but it doesn't mean that I sleep with men.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:49

So you're so you haven't slept with anyone.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:52

I have recently.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:54

And so you're just happy to just sleep with man, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:57

But not everyone, not everyone, no, of course not, man. 100% not everyone. So you don't want not you don't want to keep them, just yeah, just like a sighting, you know, like a like a friends with benefits kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:07

Yeah, we're done, man. We're finished, it's crazy. Well, fair enough.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:11

At least I'm honest.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:12

No, you are, you are honest to be fair. I know what I want. Key, back to you. Yeah, listen.

SPEAKER_11 1:57:17

It's crazy. I was trying to move on for a lot of your friends think like you though.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:21

What do a lot of your friends think like you? No, no, no, all right. I don't want to. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Go on, go on, happen. Sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_11 1:57:30

All right, we we only got two more minutes. All right, cool. Bouncer and the role. Yeah, we had bouncer. Everyone know about bouncer, bouncer.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:40

I I make it correct what he's been saying about the it's true, and it's it feeds into some of the things that we're saying, some of the things that you have.

SPEAKER_11 1:57:47

So give a roundabout thing what he's doing, and I'll play some clips.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:50

Um, so the shade borough, right? Um, you're saying that they'll post mainly negative things about the black community and they don't um post positive things, and you know, the the that really understanding the outcome they're having, posting certain things about people, and he's saying obviously they're doing that because no one knows who they are, so he was threatening to expose them so that at least people know who they are, so you might be a bit careful on what you're posting, which I I make him right to be fair, because that is true. Like there is a negative thing and like agenda behind certain posts on the shade, but we know what they look like now, so yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:27

He exposed them, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:29

So it's kind of peak still. I said poodle and all that.

SPEAKER_11 1:58:35

Have you seen this? Do you want me to play it, or you guys go play it? Yeah, I play it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:39

So, guys, the Shea Bubba, William and Helena, Achi, Ahi, they've responded, they've addressed it, they've responded, and they said a whole load of nothing. Six pages of AI nothing. Chat GBT. Oh my personal DOs has been getting posted. What personal DOs, Achi? Your DOs are online, is available online, they're getting posted. Oh, wait, furthermore, so when my child, my child's mother, was posted on your platform. Wasn't that personal? Like, listen, I just done a full breakdown. Yeah, with these people here, they're gonna be very mindful. You see, me, I I understand the content that I make, I understand it can be very dangerous to the drillers. Now, they're gonna be very mindful with the content that they post because they're not gonna be posting anyone like that with their bum out or whatever. So, actually, they're not internet ready. Click the link in bio because trust me, that page is changed for the better. And when I talk about industry reset, we know that page is not going nowhere, but I promise you, it's not like how it used to be, and it's never gonna be like that. Click the link in bio, and that's what you call culture shift just from that page.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:00

Right.

SPEAKER_11 2:00:00

So yeah, that's that's one thing he did. He he went for uh Z Z meals as well. Um not ZZ. He went for Z. Bro, ZZ as well.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:08

But like that's not okay.

SPEAKER_11 2:00:10

Nah, she's not.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:11

I like Z Z.

SPEAKER_11 2:00:12

Yeah, she's Why'd you like ZZ? Explain that.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:15

Well, what's he said about the the that's great? Do you agree with her what she said about the Victoria Everest thing?

SPEAKER_11 2:00:19

No, no, no, no. Forget that, forget that. Why'd you like ZZ apart from the uh the Victoria Evers thing?

SPEAKER_03 2:00:24

Nah, nah, that's a clip. Did you hear her opinion on the Victoria Everest?

SPEAKER_11 2:00:28

You hear what she said about it?

SPEAKER_10 2:00:29

Yeah, I heard what she said. Do you agree with her? Um yes, but I felt like it's was misunderstood. Because men are so emotional, black men are so emotional when it comes to these kind of situations. She said, Listen, I'm giving you something that you can do. Keep it in your pants. Stop being gassed, yeah, by these women, yeah, that we keep warning you about. That's it. Like, no, no, you're being insensitive to everything.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:54

Can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_10 2:00:55

Of course you can.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:56

Do you think people should only sleep with each other if they're married?

SPEAKER_10 2:01:01

Um, yeah, that's what I believe for myself. Oh, yes, you do believe. People have their own way of life. Okay, are you are you married?

SPEAKER_02 2:01:07

No. Oh, you sleep. You slept with it, anyone?

SPEAKER_10 2:01:11

Not my business.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:13

Okay, fair. See, this is the wow, the point I'm trying to like, it's absolutely crazy to say something like that. Because how are you meant to look at someone and just think that they're gonna hit you with a fake grape case? That's crazy. How would you know? Just because they're not black. See, that racist stuff there, that's what I'm talking about. Like, basically, she's saying if you're not black, you can hit you with a uh grape. Wow, no, no, no. That's correct. That's what she's saying. No, she's not sticking the black immunity because these gala trouble, because they're not black.

Final Takes, Clarifications, And Closing

SPEAKER_10 2:01:41

What did you hear her say because she's not black? She's implying she can she can say that about anyone. Is she implying that? What I got what I got from that, I'll tell you what I got from that. She's telling you, listen, you can see that there's trouble written all over her. You need to make by the way, she's doing thirst traps all on social media. 90% of women do thirst traps, so you have to be careful then, Kevin. Just first trap now.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:04

I'm not getting trapped. No, I know, but with the point I tried to make it 90% of women do first traps. That don't mean she's gonna hit you with a grape case. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_10 2:02:14

But I'm saying you have to watch out for certain women to me. So that how can you pin?

SPEAKER_03 2:02:20

You tell me then give the man some knowledge, give the men some knowledge. Oh, you want to tell me how you can pick out someone who's gonna hit you with a fake grape case, please.

SPEAKER_10 2:02:27

You said that I said you can find someone that can pick out that's gonna hit you with a fake um grape case. I wasn't saying that, I was saying you have to be cautious about the women that you're gonna choose. It can happen with anybody, but she's a walking red red flag. Why Tammy? The way that she carries herself. You hear how she you can see that she's tapped. No, you can't, bro. For the women, let's get a wibby's opinion. Stop, stop. When you listen to her interview, my mother told me this. Whenever you want to know who a person is, especially a woman, look at the eyes. She's tapped.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:01

So you can look at her so you can look at her eyes and know she's gonna hit you with a grape cake. No, no, no, no, listen. Nobody's saying that. No, no, no, but no, no, no. I'm talking about how so tell me I need I need to know key factors because I want to avoid it. This is knowledge for the guys, it's motion male audience. Tell me how to avoid it because I think the show. Okay, this is how you avoid it.

SPEAKER_10 2:03:17

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, first of all, you don't just get with a woman based on her physical features alone. You get to know the woman and you take your time before you do the deed or anything like that. No one night stands. Yeah, that's it. She's saying keep it in your pants, chill out, control your sexual desires, don't fall for the four trap.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:36

I swear the guy, I swear, I swear the guy he's talking about there was like seeing each other, or there might even have been in a relationship. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:03:44

So if there was so what why he would have done that, he ain't done that, no, he's vetting uh while it was in that relationship. We can clearly see that there was a lot of violence going on. She would have been doing tap stuff. She was mentioning. How do we know there was violence going on? Because she said it. And if there's violence going on, does that mean that's a good thing? Is that pretty great? This that's what she that's what she was saying, according to her story. There was a lot of abuse, he was strangling me, he was doing all this and all that. And I'm like, you're in a crazy situation, get out of that situation. You gotta know when to leave. You get me?

SPEAKER_05 2:04:12

Just to be clear, it's not always so easy though, is it?

SPEAKER_10 2:04:14

Yeah, yeah, that's true. Never, but I'm saying, like, the fact that he chose her and we see how tap she is. It's easier than people think, though. Yeah, that's true. It's easier to leave. That's true. But what she's trying to do, she's trying to give you some game, like, yo, keep it in your pants, like choose better, like be more um cautious about the women that you choose. Like, I know I'm trying to I'm trying to try how do we know her in particular's trouble?

SPEAKER_03 2:04:37

The way that she dresses and the first traps that she does. All right, are you in trouble? Would you hit someone with a grape case?

SPEAKER_05 2:04:42

How no? Are you crazy?

SPEAKER_03 2:04:44

You just said you you wear your naked when you go out pretty much.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:46

Not always, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:48

But a lot of the time.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:49

But I would never ever.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:50

Alright, so there's an exact exhibit. A she dresses naked, no, but she's not gonna hear me.

SPEAKER_10 2:04:55

I think you're being very very shallow. I've and you're missing. What do you mean by that? No, not you, not you, no, no. You're safer now. I'm not you next. I feel like you're being very shallow because you because you're taking what she's saying about the great um case, but you're not looking at it in a broader sense. I'm saying when you choose a particular woman, don't be surprised when you meet trouble. If she's leading with my physical aspect, I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:27

In there, what women do the percentage of women that do that this and and in there, just percentage-wise. I don't know the percentage adult speak speaking to it's first traps all around, mate, most for the most part.

SPEAKER_10 2:05:37

But that's the women that you attract. I don't attract them.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:39

No, no, no. I don't attract them, I just see them. Just walk down Arcadian now, you'll see it. Yeah, but I don't attract go on Instagram anymore. I don't attract them. Get something, go just try this. You can just type women in on Instagram. I'm just saying, look. And what does she mean by the women that we warned you about? What she mean by that?

SPEAKER_10 2:05:57

The women that basically that you always put down um black women.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:02

Oh, so blazing, you see, so black women see you see that, yeah. So what's it? So she's saying black women are the ones that would never accuse you of grape. You said you said that that's what you're saying.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:13

Who said that? That's what you're saying. We're saying the woman that they warned you about, the the ones that not black women, right? The ones that they do the first trap. I've got her anyway. I thought her. Oh, sorry, my family.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:25

Yeah, so from what I got from it, you might have interpreted it differently. Yeah, she's talking black women are the ones that are not gonna do it, stay away from these caribs. Nah, she didn't say that. And the thing is, and the thing is, you kind of and you're thinking about it, you kind of said it in your clip as well. You said it in your clip, you said the tropical women are the ones like trying to warn you. I swear you said it in your clip as well.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:45

No, she's saying basically the so-called women that um are glorified and that sexualize, that lead with sex. Black women don't leave with sex. You saying that they don't? But she's saying that these are the ones that we warned you about, the ones the ones that lead with that that are Ah, you're a woman, just because you go, you go.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:02

Yo, you're a lady, go on, address it. I just can you see who's gonna beat you with a grape case just by looking at their eyes?

SPEAKER_09 2:07:09

No, no, no, I'm saying that. I didn't say that.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:12

You did, but we're gonna bro, we're gonna record this back, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:16

We wind it back. I rewind it back because you did say that.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:19

Watch out for certain women that leave with sex. You say you can see that she's troubled. Most women leave with sex, though. No, it's not even that though. I want to hear that.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:30

It's not even that though. You're saying like most women leave with sex. A guy, like you said before, a guy can sexualize a woman. So even if we don't feel like we're being sexual, we can be objectified in a sexual way. Yeah. So you're basically saying all women, you should just warn off. Like they could all class you with a grape case kind of thing. Look, people in this world are capable of very evil things.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:53

Of course.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:53

Yeah. And when they do those evil things, it makes it worse than women that are actually true and innocent and actually trying to voice that something traumatic has happened to them. However, I always believe that majority of the cases that are fake usually get caught out. Yeah. But again, every woman that has gone through any trauma, any great, anything, any sort of essay should always come forward because if that's how they feel and they need to express that traumatic experience, they shouldn't bottle that in. They should always put themselves forward and speak out. Don't let it sometimes you don't care.

SPEAKER_11 2:08:31

You don't care.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:31

What do you mean? Like the feds, basically. When you report something about essay, half of it just gets brushed off. Sometimes they don't actually do anything about it.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:41

Sometimes it may, but always I still believe a woman should put themselves forward and always speak out about it. Even if you think no one's gonna listen, you never know, you might be that person that is getting listened to, kind of thing. If you have enough evidence and you have like that, it's not even that. Like you're saying about the eyes thing, and you were saying that you can tell someone by the eyes, which I don't believe at all. Yeah, because that means you're just saying that's like every woman type thing. Some any woman can tell you. Can you look at me a second? No, but what I'm trying to say is that you're basically saying that, well, if you have gone through that, like I shouldn't really you shouldn't really fight.

SPEAKER_10 2:09:18

I'm saying basically, I'm trying to give people clues or ways that they can potentially identify Tribble. That's all I'm saying. It's not saying it's a fact. Look at her eyes, look, she's crazy. She's got a no, that's not a fact.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:31

That's not a fact.

SPEAKER_10 2:09:32

No, no, no, listen, listen. I'm saying I'm not saying I'm saying I'm not saying look into her eyes. It's um it's a fact. She's crazy. I'm not saying that what I am saying that dig it up, man. No, what I'm saying, could you not you're not listening because you want to hear what you want to hear? No, I'm listening. What I'm saying, I'm not saying is the fact you can look at someone's eyes and look, she's crazy, so she's gonna hit you with A, B, and C. No, you're saying she's sexualized, she's a sexual personal being look out for the signs of a woman that could maybe be tribal. That's all I'm saying. What are the signs?

SPEAKER_06 2:10:05

I just don't talk about it. He just said sexualized, he says third straps, someone that sexualized.

SPEAKER_10 2:10:12

I don't think that's a sign either. If a woman um is a stripper, I'm like, that's not probably gonna be a good wife. And you all agree with me. I know Yeah, yeah, for a wife, yeah, fair. But even even I think she's gonna hit me with a grape case, you will be surprised. No, no, I'm not surprised.

SPEAKER_09 2:10:26

But but you should be. You should be. So you think listen I am like all material. If it's a woman, uh it's a stripper.

SPEAKER_11 2:10:35

Sorry, one at a time, man. One at a time.

SPEAKER_10 2:10:37

Oh, sorry. So if I know that a woman is a stripper, nine times out of ten, I'm going to think that there's something that's happened, whether it's trauma, bad decisions. Not every time it's trauma, though. No. No, I'm not saying I'm just saying something that's got. Got to be to be a stripper. But but this is why I questioned that I'm trying to get some insight to my life. Like, how did you get there?

SPEAKER_03 2:11:02

Rather than just like their like the attention. That's society conditioning.

SPEAKER_10 2:11:05

But even this is why I wouldn't want to be with a woman that likes that type of attention. But do you even think? Do you always think it's attention, though? Is that gonna match your masculinity, the one that you talk talked about? That wants attention. Mr. Masculinity. I'm not saying I am, but would you mean like attention? You know, you don't want to give the breakdown of the prison.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:22

No, no, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, yeah, but I was just saying the study where the word masculine masculine uh toxic masculinity came from. What do you mean by like so the women that want attention? What sorry?

SPEAKER_10 2:11:30

No, but I'm saying like you're saying that it doesn't mean that basically there's anything wrong with stripping and she's not gonna be trouble. But based on your definition, what's my definition? You said about the masculinity, about they're gonna be more controlling and not want you to dress a certain way. You just had a little debate with it. For wifey, yeah. That's all I'm to do with wifey, yeah. Of course.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:50

So you're saying that it's for side ting don't matter. For side thing don't matter. I lie. Anyone in this room, I lie? Come on, let's not pretend like we're all married to the people that we slept with. Come on, man, let's stop that. If we don't, well no, yeah, we know siding. We have our two categories. We've got the side thing and we got the wifey.

SPEAKER_11 2:12:07

Again, we can't we can't categorize everyone in the same same thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:10

We got the side thing and we got the wife. Wifey don't strip. That's it. If I'm gonna be the real one here, I'll be the real one, guys. You like a lion panda. I'll be real. Your wife just strips for you. The wife just strips for you, just for yeah, cool. But as for out in the club, no, let's like, guys, come on now. Like, we need to try and have the good time. About in five years' time when she's out the club. I'm not interested. You used to do it now. You could change, you could change, but I know half the man have seen it, or a lot of men have seen it, so it's not a good thing, that's reputation. That isn't it.

SPEAKER_10 2:12:43

But what I will say for definitely ask me a question if you met a woman, yeah, and then she was she told you she was a stripper, she's beautiful, good character, used to be, huh? Used to be, no, still still a stripper, yeah, yeah, yeah. Beautiful, you got a good connection with her, and Jesse says, Oh, I'm a stripper, by the way, but you you really like her. Are you gonna wipe her? Are you gonna wife her? Okay, nope, and this is why because you can that's your preference because you can see the signs that that's potentially troubled. Well, as well. No, no, no, no, no. That's actually not the reason why, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:17

But the woman should always tell you if she's a stripper from the very start, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:22

Trying to get to know someone, so then I know that there's no ring around this cool. I think they should tie because then I don't have to buy a ring ever. But why not? Why are you not buying a ring? Why? Why wouldn't that wife a tripper?

SPEAKER_05 2:13:34

E man.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:35

Why? Why? Because I know half dead men have probably seen it. So you're telling me that's a big sign. It's a big sign. Time to that wife, which is not a sign that she's gonna hit me with a great case. Come on, bro. Nobody's talking, you keep bringing about that.

SPEAKER_09 2:13:48

No, because that's what we're talking about, bro.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:50

I'm saying, look, I'm saying this again, I'm talking about accountability. I'm saying, look, we can look at the situation in isolation and say Z Z Mills, you're full of shit for that because you can't just look at a person and know that they're gonna do that to you. That's crazy to even insinuate that. And I know you were implying that black women are the safe haven and they're not gonna do it when every woman is capable of doing it. You just have to be careful, you should be careful in vetting all women, not just the tropical women. No, or we just be careful with all, just be cautious, especially now about choosing better. And as well, I sec I champion what I champion what you said as well. Like it does because even me now, like when I hit when I hear like a high profile um grape accusation now, I'm always second thinking it. I'm always thinking, yo, I don't I don't even know anymore. I don't know. Whereas if it was a stock too, yo, the the real victims come forward. Yeah, it's not about money, it's not about you suing because you want to get a bag, and you just literally, yo, he did this, and I'm just trying to prove that he did this. People would be more inclined and more believable. Now I don't know anymore.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:52

It's like when I hear it, I don't know. The guy from Tot Boy got accused of grape as well.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:58

And the way I look at it now is that it's not true until it's proven to be true.

SPEAKER_06 2:15:01

But do you know what? Lowe's and my um, well, my brother's friends and stuff. We had a discussion about it, and he bit they basically said, like, well, you've got to be careful when you're high profile now, like you've got to be careful who you sleep with, you've got to be scared to sleep with someone. That's why they're all doing NDAs and things like that. And it's just like, yeah, you do need to be cautious because certain women, like I said, can be just out because of your fame and your status and whatnot, but again, on the same side, he could have taken advantage of this woman, so we're never gonna know. But like you said, it's until proving the guilty.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:34

When I see it now, it's not true unless the evidence comes out to say that it's true.

SPEAKER_06 2:15:38

But what did you think about the whole um who's that other guy? Um, Philly.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:44

Again, I actually have heard from various people that he is a little bit, but again, I don't believe that's true.

SPEAKER_06 2:15:50

So he met my friend. Um, well, we went to Circ in um Mainfair, and he the first thing he did with my my friend, she was a bit aghast that oh my gosh, Philly, I didn't even know who he was because I'm not part of the whole YouTube situation. And um, she he the first thing he did was that she grabbed him by the neck. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I was like, that's a bit weird. And then I was like, why did he do that? And he was like, Oh, he's just payful. And I was like, that's weird. A guy that you don't even know thinks it's okay to put his hand around your throat in a playful way. I thought that was a bit creepy, but the whole situation, whatever, until proven guilty, all I know is that everyone dropped him. Like the YouTube's sponsors, the all of his friends dropped him, they didn't want any association with him. So again, I feel like that kind of gave a sign that you must be somewhat guilty because why is everyone dropping you?

SPEAKER_03 2:16:39

Nah, I think everyone, I think that happens with everyone that's accused, that's how proper all your sponsors go. Like, we know you're guilty in two. Your friends, though. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, yeah, no, but even if like because they've got their own brand, so they have to distance themselves. Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:51

That's what happens from a business perspective. Yeah, they've got to distance themselves. But I I actually agree with you there. Like, you have to wait for the facts to come out. You can't just say always, yeah, like, oh, I believe her or don't believe. If if that woman says something that is crazy, or that man says something that's crazy that makes them look guilty, you can start making your opinions, but the evidence has the last words.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:12

But even with what you said, you said that you thought they don't give a shit when you report it. That's actually wow, I don't know about the little cases, but definitely the whole high profile cases. Like, people, like it's it's guilty until proven innocent now. And even when you're proven proven innocent, it's life still fucked.

SPEAKER_06 2:17:24

Yeah, but that's a that's an American way though. Now, even in the UK. No, but it no, but it's from America, it stems from America. America, you're guilty until proven innocent. It's all about you're in innocent until proven guilty, but yeah, like social media has a big influence now where everyone has cameras and phones and they will film everything. That's why girls know when a man is cheating on them, or when someone's being snaky, or a girl's stabbing another girl in the back. I always find out. We always find out. Like it doesn't matter, you don't know when, but eventually you will find out. With these things, I'm just not trying to say, like, this is about one second, but Justin Bieber actually years ago got accused of rape. Grape, sorry. Um, and the only reason why he was acquitted for it is because the time and location, this girl says she was with him, he was actually filmed with Selena Gomez in a concert. So again, it can also be beneficial, it's not always out to get you. So sometimes social media is on your side.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:18

Well, I'll tell you what, I'll do, I'll give some actual, yeah, some actual advice apart from looking to her eyes, yeah, because that's still wild to me. Yeah, that's still mad still. My advice would be, yeah, and it sounds sad, but it's something that I I just kind of leave trails of certain things, timelines, like yeah, um, conversations and things like I just keep that there just in case you're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_06 2:18:38

Never tell me what's up, you know what I'm gonna say?

SPEAKER_03 2:18:40

Just in case you're trying to say, yeah, because people will try and do it, especially like if you upset them, you break up with them, they want it to be with you. Like, we know what women like some women will do that, you know what I'm trying to say, and it ain't because you can look them in the eye, it ain't bro.

SPEAKER_10 2:18:54

And the and it's never that shallow. There's multiple things that you can look out for. That was just one of them, and obviously you took that around.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:01

All right, let me summarise it. Yeah, eyes, thirst traps, stripper, only fans. Like, if they do these things, great case, pending.

SPEAKER_10 2:19:09

Nobody say I'm not associating people. I'm not associating that with that. You don't even know me. I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying that you misunderstood what I'm saying or saying, look out for the signs of a potentially troubled woman.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:23

Well, how do you no? I agree with that. I agree with that. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_10 2:19:26

But what I'm saying is you can tell that she will stick that out. No, but those signs don't necessarily mean they're gonna hit you with a grape case, though. Of course not. But I'm saying you're gonna probably lead yourself into trouble. That's all I'm saying. But you're trying to frame it that I'm saying you can look at her and you can see that she's gonna hit you with that case. That's not my point. I'm saying that you can see that she's troubled, you can look at the signs that potentially she's gonna be troubled into your life, and she was troubling too.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:50

Do you think that um uh Cassie? Do you think Cassie had a like an image of like that kind of thing? Like OnlyFans and um Cassie, Cassie who's this. Cassie the the singer, the diddy ting.

SPEAKER_06 2:20:01

Um, she said that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:03

She to me, she was she's per se portrayed as like quite quite innocent from what I can remember, anyway.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:09

Um mate, there's video proof of her getting fucking dragged about.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:11

No, no, I'm not talking about the beaten up to I'm not talking about that. I'm saying I'm talking about the case, which I've kind of raped predicting, which is you said you got graped, but the timeline don't make sense because you're with the guy after you said that, and your husband rang you while you was with Diddy after you just had sex with him and you admitted it under oath. So it's like it's uh it's crazy, it's not making sense.

SPEAKER_10 2:20:31

Yeah, there's a lot of mess going on there. Um I think I think I went down a rabbit hole of looking into that, and then I just got to a certain point. It's crazy, he's so madness.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:39

Yes, madness. I can't keep up with who's right, who's wrong, or what's going on. Did they have a toxic relationship? Yeah, probably both of them could have been wrong in that situation, but apparently she used to hit him too, and he used to hit each other. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying he was drugging her and yeah, maybe. Yeah, she could have drugged it, maybe, I don't know. We don't know anymore.

SPEAKER_11 2:20:56

It's a rabbit hole for another time.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:58

All right, sorry, Key. Key's try there. Alright, cool. We got clips, man. It's not so basically pending with you because of everything. The league, you've you've you take off like most of the boxes of what boxes? The eyes, crazy, only fans tripper.

SPEAKER_10 2:21:13

I've never said anything about the eyes, and I never said that shit. He was trying to apply it. It's cool, man. He's cool. We understand. All right, let's read. Let's reinval.

SPEAKER_11 2:21:20

Yo, last thing before we wrap up. We understand. Do you know what? Um let me get that one last thing, right? You've pretty much covered everything that's here, you know, through your conversations. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_06 2:21:32

We've got one formal thing. We've got one more thing. What's the last thing? Oh, have you made something?

SPEAKER_11 2:21:35

Yeah, there's this. Yes, there's so we've covered a pretty privilege. Uh Would you date OnlyFans? I think we've pretty much covered that too. No, it's we don't need to go through that. I gotta go, we don't need to go through that.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:49

I'm gonna allow it, I'm gonna allow it.

SPEAKER_11 2:21:51

The last one here, right, is how do you feel about people dating within their race? Within all.

SPEAKER_06 2:22:00

Yeah, we've kind of been over that to be fair. We've done that. Whoever you like, you like simple as that within their race.

SPEAKER_11 2:22:05

Alright, so I'm gonna I'm gonna tweak it a little bit because that this this pretty privilege, and and like, is there a difference between there is because even you've covered it today. You know how there's like there's black people, and within black people we've got our own classes, so we got dark skin, of course, light skin, mixed race. That's an issue that needs to just need to get resolved. Like, even now with the Z Mills thing, but that's that's basically we've done everything right now.

SPEAKER_06 2:22:28

No, but 100%. No, with the race thing, 100%. I feel like people are too quick to segregate themselves, but then ask for equality. Like, how are you saying that to someone like me that I'm not black? Yeah, it's crazy, but then you're asking for equality and saying that I want to be accepted by everyone, then you don't even accept to me.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:48

Hypocritical, don't treat don't treat us differently because of their skin colour, but treat but treat people differently because of their skin colour again crazy.

SPEAKER_06 2:22:55

I will get I will get like penalized because I got the job over someone that was maybe darker than me or had a different and it's because you're light skin. Had a different hair, yeah, light skin or whatever.

SPEAKER_11 2:23:05

Zizi Mills was talking talking about you when she was she was making that quote. Yeah. So you're the trouble. You're the trouble.

SPEAKER_06 2:23:10

But I've been told by people that I'm the trouble.

SPEAKER_11 2:23:13

That's right.

SPEAKER_06 2:23:14

No, but not like not in that well no, let me in that way, like, okay, so I've worked in a um a lounge that is like predominantly Nigerians and Ghanaians, yeah? And they and I got quite a lot of backlash for from Nigerian girls that are full Nigerian or Ghanaian. And I always asked, I asked my boss, I was like, why? And he goes, because you're you're a mixed race, like you're light skinned. And I was like, what's that supposed to mean? And he goes, Well, in Nigeria, you're like the forbidden fruit, you're the one that we want to get with, but then we worry, we marry the Nigerian girls and the Ghanaian girls. And I was like, but why am I getting penalized for something that you guys do? You get it? But again, that's not anything on me, that's not anything on my history or anything on eye conditioned. You got like people have in their own countries have conditioned each other in different ways, and then they try and make a point to other make other people feel a certain certain way.

unknown 2:24:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 2:24:11

After after it.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:12

I agree. Any response?

SPEAKER_06 2:24:14

Do you want to say anything?

SPEAKER_10 2:24:15

You're speaking about your experience, and it sounds correct to be honest.

SPEAKER_06 2:24:19

But I don't, but I've never made black, white, mixed race, Asian, Indian, anything, anyone feel a type of way just because of their skin colour or where they come from. I go by attitude. If someone makes me feel uncomfortable or I feel like I'm getting a bit of like pasta from them or something like that, obviously I'm gonna reciprocate the way you're treating me. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna have an attitude as much as you're having an attitude with me. But if you see me ever in a room, if anything, I'm a bit of an introvert. I just sit and watch people. I just like I'm quiet, I'm into my own. And then I come out of my shell when I feel like I can. Like I spoke to you, but it wasn't straight away. Yeah, exactly. When I feel like I can talk to you, then I will. But I'm not ever gonna apologize for reciprocating the same feelings that you're pushing towards me. Like if you were a bitch to me today, I'd be like, well, like you know, but we would have that attitude. But she's been friendly, I've been friendly. Exactly. We don't have any reason to be off with each other, and it's gone definitely got nothing to do with our skin tone. But again, when you said before, it comes down to jealousy. Like girls have seen I've got a bigger bum than them, so they feel intimidated, or their guy has looked at me. That's not my fault that your guy has looked at me, but you feel as hyper way about it. Yeah, I can be present, like I said about before, I can wear certain clothing that yes, it can still be a bit tight, but it's all covered. My arms are covered at school. I have to wear arms covered, chest covered all the way, my dresses go all the way down to there.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:44

It's uh accentuating.

SPEAKER_06 2:25:46

It accentuates my figure sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:47

There you go.

SPEAKER_06 2:25:48

Yeah, but I'm saying, like, I'm talking about in a club scenario, okay. I could be all covered up, but it still accentuates my figure. Yeah, I still get attention, I'm not ugly. I know that.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:57

You get free drinking, but I know I'm not ugly.

SPEAKER_06 2:26:01

So why is it my fault that your man looked at me and now you're giving me the stink eye? It's not, but it they make you feel that way, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:09

I don't think women should really be like that, man, because like you know, like I've always said, 90% of women are gonna 90% of men are gonna cheat anyway.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:15

They are, yeah. That's it. The girl always goes after the girl. Yeah, look at your man, the girls always go after your competition.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:22

I think you just need to give a little bit of freedom in that department as ladies, because you know, I'm not saying to let them cheat, even though 90% will cheat.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:30

Oh, let's not talk about that. That's a whole different topic.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:34

I'm just sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to break the truth. Like, it's just night, most are gonna cheat on you, innit?

SPEAKER_11 2:26:39

But some won't, but that's another topic. That's another topic. All right, so we end it there. It's true. We're gonna end it there, man. Yeah, but thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:46

All right, so we're gonna end it. I just want you to tell me how you think the show went and then plug in the social media that you have. I think it went well.

SPEAKER_10 2:26:52

We covered a lot. I can see the clip that you're gonna try and use that's got it in his head. Which clip? Which clip? Like you're gonna say something crazy. Like, how can you set that you're locking something into someone's eyes basically? And see that person. No, but you did say that though. I didn't say that because you didn't think that you actually did that.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:17

You actually you actually said you hold on, you know. You clarified it after, like you went into more detail after, but you actually stopped before I so you you said uh if you can look at someone's eyes, kind of see, and then you stopped, then I started saying something, yeah, and then you clarified it afterwards. Yeah, but you actually did just say eyes first.

SPEAKER_10 2:27:33

But if you use that, then it's gonna be misleading. This is what I've talked about, the misleading. Yeah, but then just comment and say watch the full clip. No, I don't see it.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:39

But they they they probably they probably is they're probably not gonna agree with you anyway, because even even now, with all the things that you've said, I don't I still don't agree.

SPEAKER_10 2:27:49

I think that's that's quite not not a lot of people is gonna go and read the comments or go to the YouTube. But I think I think that's I think that's gonna be yeah, that's a bit crazy.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:59

That is no, but even okay, even if there is other ways to do it, which I actually understand what you're saying, yeah, yeah. But even I I just I'm I'm excluding the i team altogether. I don't think at all that even helps. I'm not even adding it to the list.

SPEAKER_10 2:28:12

But if you put that clip in, you have to put that. I didn't mean that you can look into someone's eyes, then that means that you can see that you're gonna be like, it's scared of the clip now, it's gonna get it's scared of the clip.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:24

I don't listen, I don't do the clips. Oh, it's up to whatever you they think you're gonna get.

SPEAKER_10 2:28:27

And I don't I generally don't do the clips, but it's a misrepresentation of me that of what I'm saying though. I I understand where he's coming from.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:33

I don't know though, because he did say I don't get it. I might not necessarily use it to be fair. I I don't do the clips, so it's nothing. Is that rage bait?

SPEAKER_11 2:28:40

This is this is your time just to give your your five-point assessment, bullet points, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:45

Okay, cool. Clarify, like final statement, final statement, bullet points, boom.

SPEAKER_10 2:28:51

And I'll pull it as a as a as a time stamp so that when you are dealing with a woman, there's certain signs that you can see that will suggest that she could be troubled. Whatever that trouble lies beyond there, that's what it is. It could be anything from her basically setting you up, her basically cheating on you, uh, her making false allegations on you. It could be anything. That's what I'm saying about that situation. There's signs that you can look into, whether it is the way that she dresses, her history, how she attracted you, how she approaches you, her language, her thought. If she's trying to exploit you, that's trouble. Whatever trouble that is, it could be many ways that trouble manifests. That's what I'm saying. You don't like that because it doesn't sound spicy.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:39

No, no, it's not like you put in opinions in that that's not no. I disagree with it again because I'm just saying, I'm just saying that there's Christian women, right? Like Christian women, they're Christian, they got married, and then they got divorced, and all of a sudden now the rinse in the man now that is true. Where are the red flags in the in the religious people? There's no red flags. That is true. I'm just saying you never know. It doesn't matter, there's not really no. Foolproof way to figure out if they're gonna do you bad, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:03

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_10 2:30:04

But I'm saying that signs, obviously, not all the time though. But what you said before, if you've seen a man yeah, dressed in um scrappy clothes and yeah, of course, and that I'm saying the same thing, but the Christian women are also taking man for everything they've got as well, of course. But obviously, that's when you have to be more tuned in to what how would you know? Because you get to know the person, that's why, and you take your time, keep it in your pants, take your time, get to know the you gotta hold women accountable, bro.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:28

You can't keep you got you have to keep you have to you have to hold men and women accountable, but yeah, of course you can't just hold the men accountable all the time because you're saying is easy male saying it's the men's fault if you get charged with a grip. That's crazy. I don't believe she said that. That's basically what she's implying. You like need to be careful, you need to be, you need to watch these women and then learn discernment.

SPEAKER_10 2:30:44

She said, Yeah, let me let me get the clip because you said learn discernment. That's what she said. That was the message. Learned how to discern. Do you want to eat George? Yeah, of course. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:53

Right.

SPEAKER_10 2:30:54

Summer jam screen. Play it. All right, we're gonna end on that clip, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:57

Um, do you want to uh tell me how you think the show went and um also plug in the social media if you've got anything you want to plug and then we'll get to the clip after?

SPEAKER_10 2:31:06

Good opinions, good um viewpoints. Oh, he's done it.

SPEAKER_11 2:31:10

Okay, no, no, carry, carry, carry on.

SPEAKER_10 2:31:12

No, I think it's um really good to get different perspectives. Um I felt like both of you were quite um calm, didn't get triggered, didn't didn't shout or anything like that, which I respect. Now you you you're you're you're looking for you're looking for that fire. Um so it's all right, it's all good, though. Yeah, I know it's cool, it's cool, but yeah, it went good. Um just don't mislead anything that I say. I don't do the clips, bro. Yeah, I don't do the clips. That's that's that's the technology.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:46

No, but I don't do it, I don't do the clips, honestly. I can't be I used to do them, but I don't for the last six months to a yeah, I don't do them.

SPEAKER_10 2:31:52

You can speak to your people then yeah and say, yo, don't say what you're saying. That's what I'm telling. Yeah, respecting you get me.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:59

It will be on the timestamp and it's so people can clarify. Like, what do you want? Um, what do you think? How do you think the show went and uh social media?

SPEAKER_05 2:32:05

I had fun by various appearance.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:07

Oh yeah, did you not say social media? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:32:09

I sorry by underscore sunway.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:12

Do you like sell anything or like do any yeah?

SPEAKER_10 2:32:14

Uh just I do classes. Um sign me up.

SPEAKER_11 2:32:22

Why did we talk them all about that instead of yeah, man? What the hell?

SPEAKER_03 2:32:25

I know. Uh hey mention it, he said it on boxing, but he didn't. Yeah, we didn't really get into it. But I actually think that the best self-defense for a woman is just to kind of stay at home, right? But I weren't gonna say stay at home. Just in a chest no, no, no, no. The best self-defense for me would be just I would say just to play chess, yeah. Don't put yourself in certain situations where you could be.

SPEAKER_07 2:32:49

That's the best self-defense.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:50

Yeah, not even taking it serious. I'm trying to give someone an actual message here, so they're not walking half naked at two o'clock in the morning like you down the street.

SPEAKER_05 2:32:59

Honestly, that's why I always look like a homeless man leaving work because I don't want to get kidnapped.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, social media and what mine.

SPEAKER_06 2:33:09

Yeah, what's your what's your favourite points about? How do you think the show went?

SPEAKER_05 2:33:13

Break privilege. But my Instagram is elisabethlee.m.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:21

Yourself?

SPEAKER_06 2:33:22

Um, a very a lot of points being discovered and being talked about. Um, points I have to say is obviously I still believe that men should always speak out about their feelings if they feel like they need to. Women should always speak out about their feelings if they feel like they need to. Women need to stop treating other women like the ops, and men don't believe what these women believe. Yeah, I don't want to be independent.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:48

More people need to say that.

SPEAKER_06 2:33:50

Yeah, I don't want to be independent. You can look after me any day, and I'll look after you. Um, and my Instagram is Chanel Scott One sh.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:59

Okay, we finish on the clip, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:02

To stop. Certain things in life are avoidable, right? And I tell you how they're avoidable by not.

SPEAKER_11 2:34:08

If you nod your head, brother, I swear. I'm gonna challenge you.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:12

Yeah, just let's watch it through, certain people. There's bare victorious out there, bare victories out there.

SPEAKER_11 2:34:23

Why isn't she one of them?

SPEAKER_04 2:34:24

No, I'll check it out. That are uh wolves in sheep clothing pretending to be something that they're not because they think I showed I showed her a picture to my friend and he said that she just looks trouble. And I said, right, like why would you look at her and not think that this girl's a little bit unhinged? Like, why would you not? I can go on her page and tell you that this girl was unhinged, I can tell you, but like I said in the beginning, a lot of you, man, you're leading with your flesh. The irony, right? You're leading with your flesh. So when you see these spiritual guys, you get ghast. You're thinking that they are spiritual. No, they're witches, that's what they are.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:06

The thing is, that wasn't even the first clip. That was even the full clip. That's not even the clip I'm talking, because you talk about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 2:35:12

That was even the full clip. That was half the clip.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:15

That was half the clip. Talking a whole bunch of sense, bro.

SPEAKER_11 2:35:19

The thing I I I understand where she's coming from, I understand the narrative, yeah. But she's got she's then with the same with the same tongue going on to podcasts, talking about a licking bomb bomb and all this kind of bullshit. Like, you have to have some kind of some kind of credit in a bank in order to to say things like that. And she's not wrong in the sense of like a lot of girls do like to do first traps and all that kind of stuff, but she didn't even say first strap, she just said basically you look at it or not, she's trouble. No, no, no, she said look. Bro, she said, scroll on her uh her Instagram and you can see blah blah blah, which which is kick code for first trap.

SPEAKER_05 2:35:54

Okay, so for example, if you went through my Instagram, do you think I would be trouble?

SPEAKER_03 2:35:57

No, but we'll have a conversation. Based on the criteria, yeah? Yeah, but yeah. Go through it right now. Lord have me. I'm just saying, based on the criteria. So you agree with me and you agree with Z. Nah, we can't wait. We're gonna be next week when we're like when we're live, we can start doing the Instagram too. I was gonna say, let's not do it today because we've got to send it to the editor and it's all right.

SPEAKER_11 2:36:13

Nah, it's long, yeah. Yeah, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:14

Listen, if you've been watching, we've been recording for a while to be fair. We recorded like three hours, man. Long time. Yeah, what you do? Um, but yeah, if you've been watching for this this vlog, make sure you subscribe to the channel. I'm just gonna end it now. Make sure you subscribe to the channel. Obviously, comment if you feel that you agree or disagree with anything that anyone said. We'll leave it there. Peace out.