Mike Epps SLAMS People Celebrating Going to Prison, Is the UK Really Racist?! EP 173

Mike Epps SLAMS People Celebrating Going to Prison, Is the UK Really Racist?!
Episode 173 opens with a discussion about the cultural mindset developing in parts of the Black community, especially the trend of glorifying violence, jail time, and destructive behaviour. The panel reacts to Mike Epps calling out people who celebrate going to prison as if it’s an achievement. The conversation dives into why this mentality has become normalised through music, online influence, and generational cycles. The hosts stress that treating criminality like a badge of honour only holds the community back, keeps young men locked into the same lifestyle, and distracts them from building careers, families, and stable futures. They argue that real change starts when people stop praising chaos and start promoting discipline, ambition, and actual success.

The episode then shifts into a deeper debate around racism in the UK. The hosts challenge the popular idea that Britain is an extremely racist country, comparing the lived experience of minorities in the UK to conditions in other parts of the world. They acknowledge that racism exists everywhere, but push back on the narrative that the UK is overwhelmingly hostile or oppressive. They explore how social media, activist spaces, and political groups often exaggerate racism to push agendas or gain sympathy, while ignoring the opportunities and freedoms the UK actually offers.

As the conversation develops, the episode ties culture, accountability, and identity together. The hosts question how much of the community’s struggle comes from external forces like racism, and how much comes from internal attitudes that reward the wrong behaviours. They argue that progress requires honesty recognising real discrimination when it happens, but also admitting when cultural habits are self-destructive. The episode challenges viewers to rethink what they celebrate, what they tolerate, and what they allow to define them. Instead of leaning on excuses, they push the idea of ownership, growth, and choosing better paths for future generations.

Transcript

Prison Release: Celebration Or Glorification

SPEAKER_01 0:00

People who murder people can get like four to eight years, and people who do other things get longer time.

SPEAKER_07 0:05

Do you think it's glorified in the community? No. I believe it is. I believe it's like a badger.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

England is racist. Irish people come here. They were not treated the same as the English people back in the day. That's why black people and Irish people get along.

SPEAKER_15 0:18

Society isn't traditional anymore. You can't buy a house like how our grandparents did, where it was like 40 to 60k.

SPEAKER_17 0:24

I need you to be able to take care of me and all my friends.

SPEAKER_08 0:27

If I'm gonna service your friends, they need to service me.

SPEAKER_15 0:30

Just a bunch of sister wives.

SPEAKER_17 0:31

Ex-Arsenal player Nicholas Pepe planning to marry adult film star Tiana Trump.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

But don't let Pepe do that, Blood. So there's 10 black people, 10 Asian people, 10 white people.

SPEAKER_07 0:41

And he would commit more crimes out of those three categories. It's still white people.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

I don't get that.

SPEAKER_13 0:48

I don't celebrate, young man. There's no reward for coming home after 30 years. You don't get no fucking care package, nigga. You are a failure. Get your ass out here and help these kids, nigga. Pay that back forward. That's the reward. Those are the wrong journeys for celebration.

SPEAKER_07 1:13

Yeah, welcome back to the Galax Culture Podcast. Listen, today obviously we're gonna be reacting to some clips. I'm sorry for his profanity. I don't I don't get like I can't, it's difficult for me to take people seriously when they excess excessively like swear while they're talking. It's a bit mad. But did you hear the clip? I heard it. What why what are you saying? Considering you know your life experiences. Do you think it's over celebrated in the black community?

SPEAKER_08 1:37

Yeah and no. I mean, there's a there's a over there's an over there's the wrong kind of guidance to it in it. You're giving the wrong kind of message, I think. I I do get it. At the same time, when you've been in there and you've you've done a stretch and yeah, you've kind of learned from your mistakes and you come out, it is a relief, and it's good to see that there's people there that care about you, that have been thinking about you the time that you've been in there, but at the same time, you know, I do see the the celebration, the party, the dripping in champagne, like say you've just come back from the war and you've just had a battle, like there is a difference there, so it's a bit of a hard one. Because you say, like, I've been in between both both bridges, so it's a bit hard.

SPEAKER_07 2:19

Yeah, I think it's perfect. But you last opinion, uh, what do you think? Celebrated, going to prison, coming out, free the mandom, free this, free that. What do you think?

SPEAKER_15 2:28

I I think I agree. I think there's like a borderline, like it is a bit too much. I do believe that you know, when you come out of something like that, I can only imagine the type of mindset or like the type of way it can make you being in those type of situations. So I feel like having a support system when you come out of those type of things is really important because I feel like people do need to be reminded that you know, even though you just did all of this, it's okay to like come out and change, but it shouldn't be so celebrated because it you're right, like the people gifting them, like it's like a good achievement to have. Like it's not you've you've you've fallen back, you need to step back up now. So I feel like that's where it is. It's like it shouldn't be celebrated in the push to become better now, what you've just done.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

I don't see the problem with it because if you've just been in jail for 30 years or 10 years, you're celebrating your freedom. So I don't understand.

SPEAKER_07 3:20

I don't necessarily mean like well, I don't think he necessarily means that the person being happy that they're out. I feel like he's saying that it's kind of glorified in a way.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

I don't see the problem with it. Like, how are you glorifying it? And how is the person just doing 30 years of failure? How can you say that about someone after they've done 30 years in prison? Like for someone to do 30 years in jail, you gotta conquer something to overcome them, yeah? So you you are something.

SPEAKER_08 3:46

Not just that, but that you can you can achieve a lot in that space of time, like yeah, you can change it. You're behind the door, but this is my point. Like, there's a lot of education that you can do. Obviously, you've got isolated time, so the things that you probably would have distracted yourself with when you was on the outside now, you can focus and be able to get certain qualifications that you might not have been able to before. There's a lot of people that's that's been in jail and come out and done really good and amazing things purely because they've had that time to be able to sit down and kind of collate.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

But not everyone gets that time in jail. The the rehabilitation and reforming jail is pretty poor. So for you to overcome 30 years in prison and come out, I don't see anything wrong with somebody glorifying it or celebrating it. It is what it is, yeah out now.

SPEAKER_07 4:30

I feel like people are skipping the step though, because you must have done something to go in there in the first place.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

Yeah, but of course, people are doing something, but yeah, so you broke the law and it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_08 4:39

So everybody, but you know the problem, there's a fine line. Everyone, I feel like everyone breaks the law until they get caught. Yeah, and as much as people may act innocent, they will do little, you know, little crimes that they may not see as a massive thing, but at the moment it's a crime. So I thought.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

No, but even if you're guilty or not, the the law system isn't designed for people anyway to be like free from it. Like you murder someone, people who murder people can get like four to eight years, and people who do other things get longer time. So it doesn't really matter. I am gonna glorify somebody I know in prison coming out of prison. Yeah, I'm gonna celebrate it as well. Of course I am.

SPEAKER_07 5:16

Just because okay, so I I I I get what you're saying because different people get different sentences, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

But I was saying I know doing long time in prison, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years. They haven't killed anybody. There's people I know that have killed people and done four, eight years and they've killed more than one person. So of course I'm gonna celebrate it. I'm not gonna celebrate murderers, no.

SPEAKER_07 5:38

You're gonna get caught for every single one of those or just one because both murderers.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

I know someone who's murdered two people and they're out now living a new life with a new identity in a new city. I didn't celebrate that, but there's people I know doing long time life sentences in prison. Whenever they get free, of course I'm gonna have a party. We're gonna have a couple of parties.

SPEAKER_08 5:55

There's people I know that have been caught up in stuff that they haven't actually committed a crime and they're sitting in the bin just because they've been in there.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Yeah, but I don't see a problem with celebrating.

SPEAKER_07 6:02

Obviously, that can that I obviously that can happen. And again, I don't think he's talking about being happy that someone's out.

SPEAKER_08 6:09

Yeah, but you have to look at both facts. You can't just look at one narrative because one type of narrative that's his opinion in whatever life that he's been brought up in, and then that's what he obviously I really did.

SPEAKER_07 6:22

Come on, bro. I've seen plenty of videos, man outpouring alcohol. No, and that's what I mean. No, no, no. It's glorified.

SPEAKER_08 6:29

No, no, no, no. But as a realist, I will say, yeah, they can be over the top, like seeing a line of friggin' Lamborghinis and Mercs outside the prison, and then I get that, but that is not the majority. Yeah, the majority of the people. No, but this is my point. But they would say if we're gonna look, if we're gonna talk about it, we gotta talk about the majority of people because the majority of people are coming out humbly, coming out to their family who are just happy that they're home and safe after being in a very dangerous situation and environment, which is the prison.

SPEAKER_07 7:00

So I'm just gonna ask you straight there because I feel like everyone's kind of bit like, do you think it's glorified in the community? No, I believe it is. But prison glorifies like a badge of honor.

SPEAKER_08 7:10

You know what I would say to you that probably 15-20 years ago, it very much was because them times there, people were like, Yeah, prison, I could do that. Yeah, it was easy doing doing a quick bid.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

The people with the Lamborghinis and everything, it's like you got statistics. So statistic statistically, the people coming out of jail are people designated to fail. So, of course, they're celebrating, they're celebrating a system that's designed to destroy them, and they're coming out happy and wholesome, they're trying to stay aligned mentally when there should be broken people, they're coming from broken homes. So, why wouldn't you celebrate it? Of course, you're gonna celebrate it. Can you elaborate on how the system is designed to destroy the system is designed to we're all in categories, and there's people who statistically will fail more than likely than people in other categories? So these people glorifying with the Lamborghinis are from a certain catchment of people, that's why they're glorifying it.

SPEAKER_07 8:02

Now I hear that.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

They're rebelling against the system, like you've put me in jail and I've come out, and this is me. Now I'm still good, I'm still gone, I'm still gonna conquer.

SPEAKER_07 8:09

But did they get put in jail for nothing then?

SPEAKER_01 8:11

But statistically, people in certain areas are more likely to commit crime anyway because of where they come from. That's what deprivation is.

SPEAKER_07 8:18

Of course, obviously, people the people that are in poverty are more likely to commit crimes, obviously. But it's still a choice to commit a crime.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

Absolutely, but you're more likely to commit a crime from a certain place than from another place, according to statistics.

SPEAKER_07 8:31

No, of course, but I'm saying it's still a choice, though.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Of course, it's true.

Systemic Bias, Sentencing, And Reform

SPEAKER_08 8:34

I would say uh uh it's answer your question, then I would say that no, I don't think it's glorified. But do I think that the the justice system is weak? Yes, I would say that it is it's very much given mentality to people where yes, crimes are crimes are very easy to commit because certain years people don't really care about you know you you'll get a 10-year sentence but only do five or six, you know, the way our justice system works. So I is it over-glorified? No, I think there's a demographic that is over that is over-glorified, and I think that's a very small minority of people when you look at the whole demographic as a whole.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

I missed what you said first there. I didn't know what you said.

SPEAKER_07 9:14

Yeah, you know what it is, it's just that like I feel like for for me, this is the reason why there's no progression in certain communities because we try and hide and pretend like there's no problems. There is and I know that it's definitely glorified. I see it all the time. But that's it. I see it in music, I see it in it's like for me, yeah, even on social media, it's like a badge of honour. No, but my point is that I know and I know I was going to jail is a badge of honour.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Yeah, it has a badge of honour.

SPEAKER_08 9:41

No, no, no, but there's a reason why they're kind of proud that they've gone to jail. No, there was a reason why it's looked at like that. Why? Because of this the fight and the the environment and the system that you're put into, because there is no help, there is no protection.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

Anyone who goes to jail and has it has a badge of honour, so don't know where you're saying it's not easy, it's not an easy life.

SPEAKER_07 9:59

I'm not saying it is or it isn't an easy life. I've never been to prison. I'm just saying, and maybe it's just from what I see on social media that's a good thing. But that's why it's painted. That's how it is. When I hear it in the music, when I see it on social media, for me, it looks like it's glorified.

SPEAKER_08 10:12

But then there's a difference between what's on we all know that social media isn't is a is a it's a facade, then it's fake.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

I was on about it in before on social media.

SPEAKER_08 10:20

Yeah, that's my point.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

People I know that go to jail haven't glorified jail.

SPEAKER_08 10:23

There you go. People that you deal with on a day-to-day basis are living that life.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

People from certain places end up repeatedly in jail through the way that they've been raised, and it's through trauma and not getting the right reform and rehabilit rehabilitation in jail. There is no reform that's properly structured for people.

SPEAKER_07 10:42

That's why they end up repeatedly because prison prison is is a business, so that's why obviously it's gonna it's kind of kind of gonna set you up to go back.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

So that's exactly why they're celebrating when they come out because they're letting the system, yeah. But people are more likely to choose those choices with less options than people who are. You know the problem.

SPEAKER_08 10:59

No, but you know the problem. You realize it's a business. Most people realise it's a business, but then we'll sit here and talk about glorifying something. If I've overcome a business, a challenge, it's not like you've tried to do this to help me, you've done this to make money off me. So after I've I've managed to get through that exploit and come out the other side, and now I'm a changed and better person. I'm gonna celebrate that. I'm gonna celebrate the fact that I've just talked about people doing it. I've done something wrong, but now I've changed my life, and now I'm out and I'm doing something that is better. Of course, I'm gonna glorify that, and of course I'm gonna change that. But I I do get the point that you're the only small point that you're trying to make, which is those minority of people. Whoever's glorifying that they've been to jail, the Lamborghinis and they'll do the whole, oh yeah, I'm outside and the whole part isn't a champagne. But as I said, the majority of people, if you go to any prison right now, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Anyone who's been to jail or who glorifies jail has probably done no more than four years. Anyone glorifying jail has done no more than four years. Anyone who's actually done jail and done time, I've never heard them glorify or capitalise on the fact that they've got a badge for going to prison.

SPEAKER_07 12:03

But most people don't know, but most people go back to jail on the way.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

Yeah, I just said that. Opposed to go back to jail because it's a cycle of crime, isn't it? Because there's no reform in jail.

SPEAKER_08 12:11

It's not just that. If you're unlicensed for the next 10 to 30 years and anything, if you sneeze in the wrong place, you get thrown straight back in prison.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Even if they're not unlicensed, they're gonna go back to jail anyway, because it's a cycle of crime, isn't it? There's no reform unless they do it themselves. People sometimes, exceptionally rarely, conquer their own trauma in jail, which is very difficult to do in isolation in a prison cell. But other than that, there's no actual support unless you're a minor offender. But long-term prisoners, there's nothing for them.

SPEAKER_07 12:43

He he backtracked it anyway, so let's hear what he said afterwards. After everyone came through him for saying that.

SPEAKER_12 12:49

What's up, y'all? It's your man Mike Gips, man. I just want to uh get on here and clarify and clear a few things up. Um number one, about uh the brothers coming home from prison being celebrated. Um, I've always been a part of a form. I got brothers right now from my hometown that I'm trying to help come home that have been in prison forever. Um, I think you guys might have misunderstood what I was saying. I might have said it the wrong way, but what I was trying to say is we don't want to send kids mix messages about coming home from prison, being celebrated, you know, feeling like you gotta go to prison and do 30, 40 years to be celebrated. I think you guys misunderstood that, you know, misunderstood what I said. Um wasn't saying that it was wrong to be celebrated, but we don't want to send a message to the kids saying uh prison is great, that you want to go home and go do 30 years and come home. You know, I don't think that's cool. So I'm sorry if anybody took it the wrong way and got offended. I love my brothers. I've been incarcerated myself. I understand what that is, but I might have said it the wrong way, but I mean well. And I love you, brothers. Free my brothers that's coming home, my man Derek, free, free all the guys that's coming home, man, and um uh and about the food stamp thing. The food stamp thing was misunderstood too. What I was saying is is that we need to break I don't care about food stamps.

SPEAKER_07 14:22

I'm gonna do introductions first and then we'll come back to that, yeah. So obviously, welcome back to the channel. Subscribe, like, turn if on subscribe to subscribe and do all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_05 14:31

All that good stuff.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

Back on the show again, part of the furniture now name, age, what you do for a living? You know what you know the drill.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Samurai Hansen, I'm 34. And I what do I do for a living? I'm a martial artist.

SPEAKER_07 14:46

Are we always seeming confused when you didn't talk about that? What you do for a living? You know, I didn't know you were 34.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

No, how old did you think I was?

SPEAKER_07 14:52

I don't know. I don't think you've ever said your age. I have I I can't recall, I can't recall.

SPEAKER_08 14:58

Anyway, we'll have to look in the memoirs.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

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SPEAKER_15 15:05

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SPEAKER_07 15:15

What does that even mean?

SPEAKER_15 15:17

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SPEAKER_07 15:34

It's it's been a while since we're back to one of the only fans on the show. Yeah, I thought we'd been. I've been kind of trying to avoid it if I'm honest with you. Um, but it's fine, no problem.

SPEAKER_15 15:43

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SPEAKER_07 15:46

No, no, no, we're at some point, it's probably gonna come on. It's gonna pop up yeah. I just the the backtracking as well on this, because obviously it must have got a bit of heat for saying you know, it's been celebrating and stuff, but yeah, it's just and again as well, and I just feel no offense as well to yourself, but I just feel like we're in a perpetual victim mindset in like the black community, so it's always like you know, the system is against us, and this person, the white man's trying to hold and I just feel like if with that mentality, I first feel it's gonna stay exactly how it is, and there's not gonna be any progression. Oh, yeah, you say it it's just but like and I'm not even necessarily saying because you said that some people get different like sentences and things like that, and I think that's true. No, no, I'm not even saying they don't, they probably do, but for me again, you still have to do the crime anyway. So it doesn't really make any like any difference, really.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Of course it makes a difference. So if you had a case, yeah, and ten people, there's five people in the case, and four of them are white, and one of them's not white. Do you think the person who's not white is getting the same sentence as the white people?

SPEAKER_07 16:52

I I I I would say occasionally, yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Occasionally, majority of the time.

SPEAKER_07 16:56

Maybe not, maybe not.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

But obviously colour does play a role in it.

SPEAKER_07 16:59

I'm not I'm not saying colour doesn't play a role. That's what I said. I say colour does play a role, but I'm saying you still have to do the decline regardless.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

So different colour, you gotta do more time, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:09

Of course, because obviously, unfortunately, people don't want to admit England's a white country, so is what it is. It'd be the same in any other country that's not predominantly whatever.

SPEAKER_08 17:16

But that's what I was gonna say as well. It's different, it's a different thing as well. What he's talking about is uh American demographic. What English is I feel is completely different. The way that the crime system, the way our our our um prison system works, is completely different to the maybe in America. I said maybe in America it is very much glorified, you know. It may you maybe do get a bad badge of honour in that sense.

SPEAKER_07 17:38

I'm walking around screaming, free this man, free that man, bro. I just think that's dumb. Yeah, but but there's this it should be yo. How can we avoid not doing what he done, which was dumb, to go to prison? That's what it should be. I don't want to hear nothing about free this man and free.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

What's wrong with saying free somebody?

SPEAKER_07 17:53

I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why, yeah. Because it's again, I know the underline of it is victim mentality. Basically, it shouldn't be like it like it shouldn't be locked up, bro. Like you broke the law, you impenned, bro.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Like not at all. If if I'm saying free somebody, I what's the what's the what's the thing behind free?

SPEAKER_07 18:09

Tell me, maybe maybe I'm misguided, I'm running away.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Jail's not easy. Of course it's. So obviously, you you want your people to be free. But what that's all you're saying it for, like free the free the people, or free my guy, free this guy, free whoever.

SPEAKER_07 18:23

I've got a different message then. Yeah, I would. I probably wouldn't say free, whoever, yeah. I'd say I'd call them and say listen, make sure, or I'd sit down with everybody and I'll say, Listen, look, we ain't committing no crimes, we're not going pen. Yeah, we don't want to say free this man. We're just not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Obviously, those kind of people don't go to prison with that kind of logical pattern thinking. People in jail have something missing to go into jail, and the people around them have something missing, they don't have that kind of money. You're not gonna everybody, you're not you're not gonna understand that. Everybody, most people in jail, doing proper jail, don't think straight. No, they don't. Most. There's something that's missing from their reasonable.

SPEAKER_08 19:00

You're gonna get it. The mentality that he that's what I mean, it's a different demographic. You have to be brought up in a certain way with in a certain in a certain surrounding with certain things going on around you for you to have that type of I'm not trying to hear that. You're not gonna have that.

SPEAKER_07 19:11

I'm not trying to hear that, bro.

SPEAKER_08 19:13

Of course, you are background. No, it's different.

SPEAKER_07 19:15

There's a difference. My background is a different poor. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_18 19:18

No, there's no one says, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Poor gangs, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_08 19:27

Hold on. There's a difference between being sheltered and being exposed. That's the difference, and that's what I'm trying to make you understand. That's my point. Have nothing to do with finances, it's about being exposed to certain things and being sheltered from certain things. Well, we've grew up in the same area. Exactly. And that's why I know and I can tell you that there was things you were definitely sheltered from. Because I made sure of that. Cool. And there was things that you were that you wasn't. Cool. So there was a lot of things you didn't know about. Remember, I'm older than you, so there was stuff that you wasn't supposed to know. Whereas you can't say that because you're the same age as my brother, bro. Exactly. I do agree.

SPEAKER_15 20:01

No, I do agree.

SPEAKER_08 20:02

There is a there's a difference between being shouted and exposed to things. I know for a fact that there was certain things you just wasn't exposed to. There's certain things you knew, but there weren't things that you was exposed to. Where for me growing up, there were certain things I was exposed to that influence me growing up. Oh, yeah. That influence certain decisions that I made. There's a difference. So that will also have an effect on my mentality when it comes to understanding these things compared to you, also, because you haven't had to deal with those things. You've heard about them, you've watched them on socials, but you've never been in it to be able to understand that.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

People in prison are 10 times worse, and even probably more than that. What do you mean 10 times? Being exposed to what they've seen. Yeah, of course. You couldn't even comprehend it. So when you're saying what do you mean when you say free somebody, do you know how it feels to have somebody inside?

SPEAKER_07 20:48

No, so someone on the outside, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:50

So someone on the outside is a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

So if somebody I genuinely care about and genuinely loves in jail, I'm saying free because why are you saying free? Part of me is impacted by their absence. So is it so what it's really it's it's bothering me that someone's in jail that I genuinely care for?

SPEAKER_07 21:06

Cool.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

But what I'm saying is So I'm expressing, I'm exp it's expression.

SPEAKER_07 21:10

Cool. I hear that.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

I'm not saying yo, free my people, let's come out and do another robbery. I'm saying, yo, free my people, let's get let's let's try again, let's have another chance. Cool.

“Free The Mandem” And Community Signaling

SPEAKER_07 21:19

But you're saying free them, but they've done a crime, so that's why they've been saying that.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

So what it's the time, what we're saying is, yeah, also on the outside, we don't care if you've done a crime because when you go to jail, you're gonna think, oh, what I've done, I've messed up, whatnot, and people gonna see me different. I've been in the paper, I've been in the news, I've been everywhere, I've been exposed again, made to look like the victim, made to look like the wrong person, which you are, yeah, you've got to take that on the chin. But there's people who still support you through your down and out times. That's what that's what free of the guys is.

SPEAKER_07 21:46

I'm not saying to not do that. That's the expression. No, you're saying you don't get it, I'm telling you what it is. Yeah, so I'm so again, maybe I've got it wrong. You have when I hear free, yeah, to meet like from what I've heard and what I've had conversations with people, they're saying it because they believe they shouldn't be there. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Maybe that's how they feel then about the crime that the friends committed.

SPEAKER_07 22:06

Well, the likelihood is that they should be because the problem the the likelihood, yeah, they might have a lot of people. Some sentences are might have a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

They are actually they aren't just people killing people are doing like a couple of years, and then people have robbed a bank and they're doing like 10 years.

SPEAKER_08 22:19

Not everyone should be in pain.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Who? How does that work? But both of those things. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_06 22:24

But both of those things.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

There's profit in robbing big people's money, though, that's what the problem is. It's all business. I hear that. And they know that.

SPEAKER_07 22:30

Are both of those things a crime?

SPEAKER_01 22:31

Yes, they are.

SPEAKER_07 22:32

Are we so then pen then? That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Yeah, but I'm saying the law system doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_07 22:35

Why?

SPEAKER_01 22:36

So, because the crimes and time that you do for the crime doesn't calculate to the correct time you should be doing.

SPEAKER_07 22:41

What would you say like you get for who so just on a basis?

SPEAKER_01 22:44

And I know everything has context to I know people doing life in prison for robbing things. Like, how does that work when people do murder? Robbing a bank and coming out just for robbing things. I'm just saying people are doing life for robbing things.

SPEAKER_07 22:56

So, in general, how does that work? So, if you if you have a basis on all these things, are you saying, like, in general, robbing shouldn't the people who have killed somebody be doing life? I agree. Isn't that how it works? I agree, but hear what I'm saying. Are you saying in general, as in like the basis of sentences, is rubbing something, does uh killing someone hold a lower sentence than robbing something? Now, when when obviously when when they're read the um when they're in court and they get sentenced, the the the years might be different. But what I'm saying is in general, as a flat line, is that is killing someone less years than robbing something? I would say no, it's not. But yes, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

Robbing someone and killing someone should be the same.

SPEAKER_07 23:33

No, no, I'm saying killing someone should be more. So I'm saying and I'm saying the baseline out from what I'm aware of, the baseline of killing someone is higher than rubbing something.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

No, that's not the case. Maybe on paper, yeah. But when it happens, people don't get that time, do they? Cool, and if you got mental health, it even gets lower.

SPEAKER_07 23:49

Now I'm saying context to it.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

They're trying to be more harsh with that now, but still people are getting away with it. No, but that's a mental health card.

SPEAKER_07 23:54

But that's but that's because there's context to it, though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 23:57

So you got mental no, you got guilty reasons where you have to be guilty by charges, then you got mental reasons where you have to be guilty by your mental plea and it. Well, of course. So they're separating both, and if if you're guilty on paper, that's the you get an outcome there. But mentally is a separate negotiation. So your mental reass is what can get you a lighter sentence because your intention and your mental capability and stability at the time will determine your sentence. Yeah, and also that's what's all dependent on your mental.

SPEAKER_07 24:27

So context, innit?

SPEAKER_01 24:28

But it's just a scam.

SPEAKER_07 24:30

So I so what I'm saying is that depending, it's dependent. Obviously, you can just say robbing as a baseline, but if you used to rub, like you said, a bank and rub like a corner, a corner shop and and and rub some chocolates, it's not going to be the same. But I'm saying it's all context, yes, yes. So at times, yeah, someone who done, I don't know, maybe a murder, and someone who robbed like a big bank, they might get a longer sentence because it's context of what's happened, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 24:54

I just think the bigger picture is that you've got young people, you're saying don't mislead the youth and everything. But the bigger picture is there's young people who are misguided because there's there's no structure, there's no reform, and them going in and out of prison, no one actually cares about them.

SPEAKER_07 25:08

Yeah, I suppose so. But I think the baseline should just be people should just not be celebrating it, rapping about it, and sitting glorified.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

I don't see the problem. It's an expression of suppression and deprivation in communities.

SPEAKER_07 25:20

That's how I mean see, could you hear that? Can you that's what I'm saying? Can you hear that victim stuff again? That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

I don't feel like a victim, and I don't feel peop people in prison are victims.

SPEAKER_07 25:27

Where's the oppression? Like in the UK right now, where's the oppression?

SPEAKER_01 25:31

In communities, young people are exposed to things they shouldn't be. They're being groomed by gangs and going through all types of stuff, they're being beat up for not for making silly mistakes. Yeah, they're seeing more than you can imagine, and you think you know it until you actually go there or listen to it, and they don't ever talk about it. So as we grow as adults, we evolve and we heal and we go therapy even by just talking to ourselves, they don't get that opportunity because they're constantly in a state of survival. How can you heal if your body and nervous system is constantly on guard? It's impossible. It's impossible. So they're constantly in that state, they don't get chance. So if they're in from young and then they go through the teenage years, then adulthood, then you got adults who are like children because they've never had the opportunity to emotionally mature into animal.

SPEAKER_07 26:17

There's no reason. So basically, obviously, and I agree that obviously if you're poor, you're more than like you're more likely to commit a crime, obviously. But there's there's a lot of poor areas everywhere, not all of them have the same outcomes. So what would the what would the differences be then? That means it can't just be because you're poor, then is it?

SPEAKER_01 26:36

What areas are you referring to when you're saying some areas?

SPEAKER_07 26:39

So there's different cultures that and I think in the UK there's a lot of cultures that are poor, but there's certain cultures that commit more crimes than others.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

What cultures are you referring to?

SPEAKER_07 26:49

Just I'm just saying there's different ones. I don't even need to be specific right now. I'm just saying there's a lot of people, I would say most people in the UK are poor. We know that. Certain certain communities commit more crimes than others, but both are poor.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 27:02

It just depends on the community, what what your surroundings are, innit? I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

It would be ethnic minorities that are more likely to commit crime.

SPEAKER_08 27:10

If you're struggling and you gotta feed your family, people do crazy because you're on the line, you're but you're not gonna be.

SPEAKER_07 27:16

Maybe you're not understanding. Both are poor. Different culture. One of the cultures commit more crime than the other. You gotta show me this. So I'm saying I'm because I'm just I'm just I'm I'm just telling you now, I'm saying most of the UK is poor, right? You agree with that, yeah? Most of the UK is poor.

SPEAKER_08 27:35

Yeah, average, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_07 27:37

Most of the UK is poor, yeah. One demographic commit more crime than the other, both are poor. So that means to me the evidence will point towards that it's a culture problem, and not just because you're poor.

SPEAKER_11 27:48

So there's you understand what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_17 27:50

But the statistics do say that the majority of white people court commit the most crimes because there's more white people.

SPEAKER_07 27:57

Per capita, or because there's more white people in the country.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Because there's more white people, it's not because yeah, yeah, yeah. I've looked into that as well.

SPEAKER_07 28:03

No, no, it is just because the UK is more more white people.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 28:07

But if you look at per capita, if it was equal. Even per capita, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

If it was equal, what you're saying is so if there's ten black people, ten Asian people, ten white people, then it would change because it the the balance of the city.

SPEAKER_07 28:20

And he would commit more crimes out of those three categories.

SPEAKER_17 28:22

It's still it's still white people. It's still white people. You think it's a joke?

SPEAKER_06 28:29

Bro, it's not, bro.

SPEAKER_17 28:30

I've actually looked at this. No, no, no, no, because what you need to do. See, I see.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

I looked there, yeah. And I'm not the same as you when I look there.

SPEAKER_17 28:37

No, no, no, because you you're you're excluding Irish and and and also um there's another one. No, no, no, not English. So yeah, if you're saying white people, you have to include every single aspect of white.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Now, white people and Irish people are not the same. I know they might have the same people there, but they're not the same spirit.

SPEAKER_17 28:54

But you say but you say white, no, no, 100%. That's not saying Africans, that's not saying Africans and Jamaicans are the same, but both black, but they come under black, all right. Fair, fair to look at what's the same. So you have to say white, so you are incorrect.

SPEAKER_07 29:06

So I'm gonna ask you all here now. Yeah, she said ten white, ten Asian, ten black. Still white. Who's gonna commit the most crimes?

SPEAKER_01 29:14

I'm not answering it because I'm not stereotyping.

SPEAKER_07 29:16

It's still white, but this is what I'm trying to say though. Nobody, and I'm saying it. So this is what I'm doing now. I've turned over a new because you're looking at volume crime as well.

SPEAKER_17 29:24

No, I'm trying to say it without saying let me just let me just clarify because you're looking at volume crime as well. So uh a lot of fraud is is between is all between all three of them, it's pretty much the same. All three uh of the of the races, violent crimes, violent crimes. I would say again, that's gonna be more white and Indian. If you go if you if you if you're talking about the UK and UK alone, then it is gonna be black. UK? Okay, UK alone is gonna be black. Wait, was you talking about uh in the world in general? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not the world in general, but I'm just saying in the UK in the UK, yeah, you have to if for for for fraud, it's it's a mix, it's a come on, bro.

SPEAKER_08 30:00

Are we bringing violent crimes? So what violent crimes is violent crimes to me, what what's a violent, what any kind of violent crime? What's a violent crime with the children?

SPEAKER_17 30:08

Domestic violence, all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_08 30:10

I thought we were talking like higher-level terrorism and crazy. I was getting violent. That's a violent crime.

SPEAKER_07 30:15

I was gonna answer that. Just violent crime? Who does those things?

SPEAKER_08 30:18

Because I see no black people doing them things.

SPEAKER_07 30:19

Yeah, we don't do that, but there's less people that do that.

SPEAKER_17 30:22

So murder, murder is more white people. GBH is is is more so gonna be on the in the black and Asian.

SPEAKER_06 30:28

Is this the statistics that you read? Because I read different words. I thought I read these. I read the same words as well. That's not that's not I read drugs.

SPEAKER_17 30:34

I read about drugs, I read drugs. So those those statistics you're you're probably getting from a generalized thing. These are statistics that are actually studies, so I have to get it out and you'll be able to see that. I know someone who's studying this right now, so I can I can get that for you. Alright, so just to be clear, you're saying that white people commit more crimes in UK per capita.

SPEAKER_07 30:53

In UK per capita.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

I read that, yeah, but then I also investigated it further because I it just didn't sound right. And then I looked and got what you said. It said it's because of the um numbers, yeah, yeah, because of the country that appears.

SPEAKER_17 31:06

It's because they're basing it on white British, whereas you need to do it with all you're on about Irish as well.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

That don't count. Irish and English people are just completely different animals, like, yeah, but that's that's the same with black Africans and black Caribbeans.

SPEAKER_17 31:20

That's the same with black Caribbeans and black Africans. So we have to have the same same drum there.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

But they're not the same.

SPEAKER_17 31:26

We're classes the same, but we're classes the same, in the city, the classes are the same.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

They're not the same. Irish people come here, they were not treated the same as the English people back in the day when they first come here.

Exposure, Class, Race And Everyday Racism

SPEAKER_17 31:36

I'm not arguing with you with that, you know. They're not the same, no, they were treated the same as the difference between the person and opinion.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

That's why that's why black people and Irish people get along because they can they can the spirit can align with each other.

SPEAKER_17 31:49

I'm saying statistically, that's what they do all the time.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

They mask those statistics, yeah. Make it more messy, and this is what I said before about black people. They put black people into ethnic minority in certain industries just to mask the fact that black people don't have certain support in certain industries, they call it ethnic minority because they can't like divide them all because there's a problem. That's what they do, it's a trick, it's a scam.

SPEAKER_08 32:14

Yeah, Lord Jesus, it's lighting it up.

SPEAKER_07 32:16

Poor lady sitting here with a birdie brought it. She's gonna be the first one at this topic anyway, because I'll be interested to hear.

SPEAKER_15 32:21

Well, I pretty much agree with everything that you're saying anyway. So you do no um what you're saying. I hear I hear what she's saying.

SPEAKER_07 32:27

You're saying that we're we're we're victims.

SPEAKER_15 32:30

Huh?

SPEAKER_07 32:30

We're victims, or I didn't say we're victims.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Oh no, that's what you're saying. Sorry.

SPEAKER_07 32:34

No, no, no, because you see, you would talk about the system and the you can't say that.

SPEAKER_08 32:37

This I mean there's a difference the way uh again, because you would never be classed as that. You're in a light skinned category of victimism. You push back understand as a black man going through victimism, you would never bro. Mixed race people are treated the same, or if not worse, man.

SPEAKER_07 32:53

Never understand.

SPEAKER_08 32:54

Nothing, and I'll tell you why not in the look after, bro. But every how you gonna try to tell me anyone if I'm lying, if I'm lying, tell me I'm lying, bro. You will never understand. Bro, how is there a difference? You're a McClaude, but you will get you will get you will get looked after.

SPEAKER_15 33:17

Yeah, I know, I know I'm expecting it. You will get better opportunities than than than a darker skinned black man, and any black man can tell you that I call but it's nice on both sides of that because the thing is, it's like I understand where you're coming from because it it is it is true, like people do look at um mixed-race people and they just feel like I don't know, they can feel a bit more comfortable around people like us compared to black people. Statistically, but then I also hear what you're saying because then like also in like the black community, like it might like um people will look at us and they'll be like, Oh, I don't really like mixed-race people because they're mixed with white. But then there's also on the black side, it's like, oh, I don't really like it because of that. And then on the white side, oh, they like it because they're mixed with black. And it's like we are in the middle ground of this whole not accepted on both sides. But I also agree with what you're saying because it is true, like black people do get um more like less opportunities, basically.

SPEAKER_08 34:09

Your shade of black, your shade of black will determine on what type of what type of um situational relationship you'll have with life and how you grow up with life.

SPEAKER_07 34:18

I hear what you're trying to say, but this is what the thing is. Hold on, this is the thing, though. The difference is obviously you're you're full black. Yeah, you can go with the black guys and you'll be accepted in the black guys, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 34:28

Which is the which is the minority of the community. We don't we get less things, and then the white people get a Lego. Alright, cool, you know what I'm saying? Me and you walk into a board meeting, both dress the same. Who did who they do business? Dad bo, you know, can I uh hello there, Mr. Anderson. How you doing, sir? Of course, bro.

SPEAKER_06 34:44

They see mixed-race people. Look at my nose, bro.

SPEAKER_08 34:47

Think about if you didn't set me as white, bro. In in life, in general, look how hard you know how hard I've had to work to get in the position I'm in now and work. Yeah, you know you have not had to work that hard to get into that same position. 100% I have, bro. You haven't had to work that hard compared to what I've gone through, bro. There's no way, yeah, but I'm not using that as an excuse. I'm happy for that, and I'm happy, I'm proud of you for being able to do that. But I'm saying you can't compare the two, and you know that will mostly come down to our skin tone because I I can I can use the same example. If we walk into a meeting, I'm working twice as hard to win over any client in that room that you are, bro.

SPEAKER_07 35:22

Are they all white? If they're all white, yeah, but if they're all white, I'm not seen as white. So it's like I'm not gonna be accepted by the white people.

SPEAKER_15 35:30

It's not it's not the it's it's not the fact of being like seen as. But then if we're if we're walking by, people are like it's to talk on like a stereotypical level.

SPEAKER_10 35:50

Manor grabbing their bag.

SPEAKER_15 35:51

But this no, but no, but this no, but it's what I mean. It's what I mean. Like people people do behave like that, and they have like it's a stereotype, but it also is a reality for a lot of people. So it is I understand where you're coming from, where it's like we we can walk into a room as um a mixed-race person, and people do not saying like uh everyone, but they do tend to feel at ease. Can I have a question?

SPEAKER_07 36:12

Can I ask you a question? No, yeah. This is the thing.

SPEAKER_15 36:14

I think if we don't face hardships because we definitely do. I feel like we all we all do.

SPEAKER_07 36:17

I mean, you're all three of us are mixed race, so you must know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

I get the worst one. My skin's white. Why do you think I get called?

SPEAKER_07 36:24

This is the thing, and uh, even with me, yeah. So like most people probably just say that you're white. Even if you try and say you're I've got this addict, you'll just say you're white. Yeah, I heard all so what I'm trying to say is that all three are mixed race. You three, you like know what I'm talking about because yeah, it's what it is. And I and the thing. I'm surrounded by like is this room.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

I'm surrounded by I agree with him though, because he's like skin black. You like skin black. But I get your point as well. I'm gonna I'm gonna address what he's saying because I'm not necessarily saying that he's he's but black people are underrated, like underrepresented in in this country because yeah, he's saying about his job, yeah. He couldn't go to his job interview with his afro out in a particular freedom authentic self because it's not it's not represented in this country.

SPEAKER_07 37:06

Alright, I'm gonna and and I'm gonna come back to that. I hate I do get what you're doing. You could turn up in joggers and t-shirt, but they're giving you the job, bro. This is what I'm trying to say. You know that for up, bro. This is what I'm trying to say. I didn't the audacity with you when this guy knows, bro, I literally have to live in a suit, bro. I have like I can't walk around with a tracksuit. You know that's why I made the suit comment. No, no, I don't know what I mean. Just the reason why I have to live in a suit. If I bought a tracksuit, I'm a drug dealer instantly. You know that that's why I live in the suit. So it's like it's kind of funny that you say that, but uh, I'm not saying that you don't get stuck. Even the bag grabbing thing, yeah. Yeah. This is the thing, and again, we have to, it's it's more it's more looked at as a victim thing more than an accepting the reality thing. So for instance, yeah, why are they grabbing their bag? Because there's man that will rub your bag, like they just grab black bags.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

You always side with this, yeah. Like you you're trying to deny, yeah, that we're not in a racist country. We are, yeah, but so how can you defend it then?

SPEAKER_07 38:03

But I'm saying it's not to say that a black man is just back snatching.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 38:07

Who's the most bag snatch snatchers? If someone's gonna snatch your bag, who's it?

SPEAKER_01 38:10

He said white people in the bag.

SPEAKER_06 38:12

In number that he said, people is saying that. I don't know what I don't know what he's reading. If it's go enough, how many people do it?

SPEAKER_07 38:21

People outnumber people tend to one, so of course, obviously.

SPEAKER_15 38:24

But it's it's he said, but they're grabbing their back because man are backstabs. It's the stereotype, it's true. It's what it's what society, it's what society pushed on to people who have a certain to give them a certain type of mentality. It's like you have fell through it. You can sit here and say, oh, yeah, this, that, and the third, but it literally is statistics showing that white people have committed majority of the in of the crime in the capo, so it's not per capita, but um they'd be rubbing back. But this is the thing, they hold them the they hold the higher statistics, but it's still pushed on to people who are black and brown that they are the problem, they're the ones that we need to, you know, be be wary of people as well, they walk in the room, if they're wearing certain clothes, that must mean that this type of person like what you said. And that's what I was gonna say. Sorry. You understand that by wearing certain clothes, you're then viewed as some fit and that's what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_08 39:12

Let me respect it. But that's why I said in you, you see, in your in what you were saying, you will only get stereotyped if you're in a tracksuit or certain if you're dressed in a certain way, which I get. Where it doesn't matter, I could be in a suit, bro, and I will still get stereotyped. I will still be get looked at by whoever's sitting across the desk, they will look at me as a fear until I've given them a reason to feel less fear. Where you can walk into a room and in a suit, and it's not the same, bro.

SPEAKER_07 39:38

I'm telling you, it's not, it's it will not it will never be the same demographic. I'm not even gonna like fully dispute that the mic feel a little bit on less on edge because I'm not as dark. Maybe that's true. Yeah, but the point is is that the way I see it, so for instance, I drive I I'm in a suit, I drive a nice car. I've been pulled over many, many a times because of the car that I drive. And that's what. And that's what I was using. I was using it. I know you've been stereotyped. I have I've been pulled over bear, but like how I used to think. So my mentality when I was younger was oh fucking, why are they pulling me over? They're always trying to pick on da-da-da-da-da. I don't look at it like that no more. I I I look at it in the in the eyes in a way of accountability now. So I look at it like this. Why, why does he think that I'm a drug dealer because of that? What why is there a stereotype? Now, my hold let me finish so you understand what I'm saying. Why does he think that I'm the what I'm saying? Why does he think that I'm a drug dealer? Because I'm in a tracksuit in a nice car. Because most of the people that look like me that are in a in a tracksuit in a car like that probably do sell drugs. That's why he thinks I do. So I'm thinking it, why don't we change the stereotype on other time?

SPEAKER_08 40:46

They're not in that car, they're in like like Vauxhnovas and whatever carry.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

I think that that's I'm I'm saying you've changed the way you navigate in order to accept the reality. And you gotta accept the truth with the reality that we're in a racist country, and it's I'm not necessarily what they say now are it's it's your choices, you can make better choices. You chose to make different choices based on your reasoning, and that's what happens to ethnic minority. They learn to navigate on a different system. So, like people who have this ordinary easy life, yeah, they just live in a straight line. So somebody who isn't of that like ethnicity, you learn to navigate on more than one.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

No, but everyone's racist though.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

No, everybody isn't racist, everybody's racist.

SPEAKER_07 41:28

I'm not allowed to be racist, we're not allowed to be racist. It depends what you think. Maybe what I think racism is and what you think is different.

SPEAKER_01 41:34

I know what I think's racist is different to most people. I think the only people who are racism is somebody who is against a certain colour, skin, or ethnic who has the control or power to do something about it. Like their remarks make a difference to do something. Whereas people on a lower scale, uh, is it prejudice? Prejudice. People like that exist, yeah, but racism's a powerful word, and people throw it about and they don't know the meaning of it.

SPEAKER_07 42:02

So that's completely correct. The definition you just gave, that's actually what racism is. But I'm talking about what most people think it is. So most people think it's because you're gonna be treated differently because of the colour of your skin or your ethnicity. Everybody does that. So everybody's racist. Like if you go, if I was to go to China, yeah, or if a black person is to go to China, they're gonna be getting treated differently.

SPEAKER_08 42:20

If a Chinese person they're confused, I'm telling you, they're gonna be confused with you. They're gonna be like, are you a fullback? You're a fullback?

SPEAKER_03 42:26

Bro, when you go to you can't tell you stare at you, they stare at you, bro, because you're black.

SPEAKER_15 42:31

I've actually I've actually been to China, and I'm I'm not gonna lie, like it's just it's just it's just a different way of life, maybe they're like, they don't have people who are black and brown in their society, in their culture, that they see every day. Even I was stopped like so many times, and they took pictures with me, and they and they're all like, oh, yeah, they're trying to touch like they they they do do that from personal like experience that has happened. Oh, it's a mythic way. It's but it's like, but that is also because like what you were going back to me saying earlier, they're sheltered people who um over over in China, they're obviously sheltered. So when you say like how you're either exposed or you're sheltered, that they are their society.

SPEAKER_10 43:07

Why are they sheltered?

SPEAKER_15 43:08

Because they look at people who are black and brown and they're like, whoa, because they because they're they're sheltered from it actually. Yeah, then they're sheltered from our culture. They don't they don't have our shops, they don't have our culture. You fear what you don't know.

SPEAKER_08 43:19

You fear what you don't know, you fear what you can't really do.

SPEAKER_15 43:22

They're sheltered, like remember as well, like their their like access to internet and all these things, like all these type of things is heavily.

SPEAKER_08 43:29

You're talking about South Korea, I think.

SPEAKER_15 43:30

No, no, that's North Korea, I think. But it's but um but it's like knows her careers, but but it's just like it's just what people are like going back, it's what you're exposed to and it's what you sheltered.

SPEAKER_07 43:42

Do you think if a Chinese person went deep into Africa, then they wouldn't get stared at? Mm-mm. Yes, they would, bro.

SPEAKER_10 43:49

Of course they would, of course they would, of course they wouldn't.

SPEAKER_07 43:52

So that's a button so yeah, of course they would. So my point I'm trying to make, it's people grow around racism too much. It's not if you go to China you'll get treated differently because it's a different culture and it's a different person, they can see that if a Chinese person went deep into Africa, into the tribes and that, they'd stare at them too. It's not racist. Oh, yeah, but England is racist, England is racist.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

But I'm saying England is racist, they're not gonna be a big thing.

SPEAKER_08 44:14

Is the multi-cultural country, bro?

SPEAKER_01 44:16

No, no, why is it multicultural? No, why? Why why do you have different ethnicities and you have vibes?

SPEAKER_06 44:22

Because the Africans sold the other Africans enslaved to the Europeans, that's why. Yeah, so again, we sold ourselves to them, so that's it.

SPEAKER_08 44:28

We all we're not hiding like China, we're not hidden like China. We're completely different. We see people, we see different ethnic uh ethnic ethnic backgrounds coming to the country and uh every single day Chinese people would get stared at in Africa.

SPEAKER_15 44:42

Yeah, but it's not it's not it's not, it's not, yeah, 100% they would, but it's not to say I'm not saying like my experience was racism, it's just what they're sheltered from. No, no, like them them coming up to me being like, wow, it's just like is that racist? I wouldn't say I wouldn't say it's racist. People would it's just that they they they're sheltered, they are sheltered.

SPEAKER_08 45:02

I don't think it's people would say people would say it's racist if you said the n-word. Me, yeah, people would say there's people out there right now. If you said the n-word, they'll be they're they will be offended because people are because you're not full black, bro.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Some people have big arguments about it.

SPEAKER_08 45:16

Some people are stupid though, but you can't just dump it down to that man and just end it like that. You can't do that. No, you can't do it.

SPEAKER_15 45:23

Okay, I just need naivety there.

SPEAKER_07 45:25

What me? Yeah, I'll tell you why they're stupid.

SPEAKER_15 45:28

But it's not no, because it's the thing is it's like it's such a such an odd fence to sit on because it's like with the with the way that we obviously like we are we have black within us, but it's also I feel like it's just respect. If you could just understand and respect people, I feel like it's just that's all it is. You don't like even people who are black don't even need to be saying the n-word.

SPEAKER_07 45:49

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_15 45:49

So that's so but it it's just like it's just like to also like hold the naivety and be like, but what I can say it's like, yeah, no, we we can because we are mixed with it, but it's also understanding and respecting the people that are you're around and just understanding the time that we live in now that it's just respecting other people in a top two world. Yeah, we don't need like we don't need to be saying it. So it's literally just like it's not like oh, but I should be allowed to do whatever I want to do. Okay, cool, but it's like they're gonna start calling you Drake, just just respect it, innit? Just respect like people and the surroundings.

Language, The N‑Word, And Respect

SPEAKER_07 46:19

And I can respect that, but you know what's funny though, isn't the thing, and I'm gonna explain why I think it's stupid. I'm gonna expect because this is the thing, right? Saying that word, and you've known me how many years, bro? How many times have you ever heard me say that? You can probably count on your fingers if you can even remember any, because I don't say it. Yeah, but now for me, I think it's stupid that black people say it. It's stupid that they say it too, and then expect people to not say it.

SPEAKER_08 46:43

I don't think that's now I'm not saying to be fair, you don't and I you know if I hear people say it, I normally pull them up on it like that. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_07 46:50

Like it's not, it's not right. But what I'm saying is I think it's stupid to promote it and say it, and then get mad when other people are doing it. That's why I don't, you can't do it, you can't be both ways. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

You can't be like black people overall, I've heard some of them say it and it's cool, and then some people say it and get offended and pull them up like he does as well. I think everyone's just got their own views on the words. It's just that respecting the surroundings that you're in.

SPEAKER_08 47:11

He's talking about other black people, though, I think. Yeah, it's black people. Because we're we're teaching each other to be okay, to be using the word freely, and then as you say, then get upset when other people say it. You can't be both ways. I get offended when people use it in a in a derogatory way, you get me, because I understand the history, I understand what we have to go through on a daily basis to get away from that. So to bring us all the way back to that is really annoying, you know what I mean? But when you hear your own people saying it constantly to each other like it's just normal. Like when I was younger, don't get me wrong, it was a completely different thing. But as I've got older and wiser and started realizing things, like I don't want my kids saying that freely to each other and never really hear you say it. And then say it to but you see what I mean, like because around certain people I probably wouldn't, you get me. Certain man I'm around, you'll hear that certain words will fly out in conversation and not really realizing what I'm doing. But now getting older, as I say, I don't want my kids saying that to each other or saying it in school, then some kid says it to them in school, and now they're in a rumble about it and they don't really understand it. You know what I mean? It's not it's not worth it, just don't say it. Unless you understand it, especially don't say it.

SPEAKER_07 48:13

Don't make those people might think that obviously, because for me, that that it doesn't even bother me, but I don't know. I don't know if it bothers you. I don't think words should really bother you like that. So I don't know, maybe I'll just I just feel like it's the way you use it. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 48:28

So I know it's someone, yeah, but it holds I know someone, they're both friends, yeah. One's black and one's white, and the white person's more offended by the black person saying it because of she argues the history about it, but the black person says it doesn't matter. So the white person's more offended just because of the history of it. You're saying you shouldn't say that because obviously what he's saying, he's offended by it, but doesn't certain things there's always gonna be a divide, I think, with that. Yeah, but if somebody doesn't like it, I don't see why you can't just keep your mouth shut and not say it. Yeah, because I feel like people know it, and then they say it more like because you're there, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 48:59

Yeah, I just don't say it anyway because I think it's it's if it's an insult, I don't think anyone should say it. That's uh that's just my point in it. But yeah, let's lighten it up then.

Money, “Marrying Rich,” And Boss Culture

SPEAKER_16 49:07

The likelihood of women marrying rich in comparison to women working hard and getting it themselves, and if you look at the percentage of the likelihood of you marrying rich, please go to school. Is it crazy? Girl, it's near enough impossible. You have an 11% chance that you're going to marry a rich man that is financially stable. If they are in the millionaires or billionaires, you have a 5.1% chance. Okay, so the definition of rich to them is like someone that earns over 100k, I'm assuming. So, someone that's a millionaire, billionaire, what's the percentage? You have a 5.1% chance. Let's ask Chat GBT what's the likelihood of a woman to make over£100,000 a year and to become a millionaire or a billionaire? You have 1.78% chance as a woman to become a millionaire based on a nine to five job. It goes a bit higher to 8% if you are an entrepreneur. But that also means if you have a startup, which basically means if you have generational wealth, you then have 25% chance to become a millionaire. But there's only about 0.5% likelihood of a woman marrying a millionaire.

SPEAKER_07 50:21

Yeah, to me, I think most women are looking for a rich guy to marry if they can find one, which is very unlikely, which I don't think they actually understand how rare it actually is, but that I think that's what she's trying to say. And uh 5.1%, bro, that's actually higher than that's I don't even think that's correct. I think it's less than that.

SPEAKER_17 50:39

No, if you're saying women as a whole, that's that's about right.

SPEAKER_07 50:42

Nah, but because as a whole, all right I'll tell you why why I'm saying it's not the top five percent, yeah. I think it's hundred say like 80k, 80 to 100k, yeah. Yeah, that's everybody, men and women, and that's the top 5%. So I don't know how their chances of Chat GBT is doing uh the world, not just the UK. Okay, fair enough, it's the world. Okay, cool. But the U okay in the UK it's definitely lower than it's like one less than one percent you're gonna buy to money earnings on.

SPEAKER_17 51:09

I don't know, but it it's hard to say, innit? Because like you have to take our wealth into consideration.

SPEAKER_07 51:15

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_17 51:16

For someone to be wealthy here will be well off. 100k? It's usually 80 to 100k, depending on where you live. Yeah, that's like one 5%. Yeah, so so in London, the 5% is different to where it is in Manchester or in Newcastle, right? Okay, yeah. Um there's a lot of people who don't work up north. So there'll be they'll be classed into the statistic statistics as well.

SPEAKER_07 51:39

But it's average the whole UK though.

SPEAKER_17 51:41

Yeah, so it it again it depends on what you got what you're what you're gonna base it on. Because it might be higher in London, higher up in north than it is in London.

SPEAKER_07 51:49

Yeah, it would be people are gonna earn more average anymore.

SPEAKER_17 51:51

But the average in in London is like 50 to 60k anyway, so it's still not still less which is and then the average overall is 34, so we don't know it, but that's that's the that's the truth.

SPEAKER_07 52:00

You're looking for a rich man.

SPEAKER_15 52:02

I am the rich man.

SPEAKER_07 52:05

But doesn't that just make life harder though? No, because you wow, would you like marry someone or date someone who earns less than you?

SPEAKER_15 52:14

Yeah, you would. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_07 52:16

I suppose that makes it easier.

SPEAKER_15 52:18

I have like do you want to though? I mean, I feel like necessarily it's not like necessarily a want because you want your partner to be the best and the top of whatever they're wanting to do and stuff like that. But I feel like it's also just understanding reality that sometimes the career paths that people have, there's only so far that you can actually progress, and there's only so much that you can actually do. Like, especially like in a nine to five compared to like entrepreneurship, like there's only so much that you can progress in a nine to five compared if you were like self-employed and stuff like that. But you don't, I mean, I don't really date to rely on a partner. I feel like if you're dating to rely on a partner, then yeah, you are looking for someone who's like doing a bit more that can hold both of you, maybe like more of a traditional mindset of like, I'm the man of the house and I'm gonna do all of this, and you're gonna hold down the fort, and blah blah blah. So it's it's it's just like that shit, isn't it? And it's not the fact that I don't agree with it.

SPEAKER_04 53:12

50-50.

SPEAKER_15 53:14

Um 50-50, I don't feel like there is ever any 50-50 because it's like sometimes it's 80-20, sometimes it's 60-40, sometimes it's 70-30. Like it's always gonna be like a push and pull thing.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

Okay. Like so you're not even stay at stay at home kitchen.

SPEAKER_15 53:29

Me personally, I feel like that would be quite a boring life. I feel like even if someone came up to me and offered me this lifestyle of being like a trad wife or staying at home, I would still want something. Like, I feel like I'd want like a florist that's open on the weekend, or just still something. Like, it's not me personally as a person, like I'm not a stay-at-home person. I definitely can be, but I would need something to strive for. I don't want my whole identity to be a wife, a mother, or something like that. Like, you know, I don't if people fall into that category, I think that's beautiful. If it works for you, it works for you. But for me personally, I yeah, you like getting all that and working. And I like I like having my own money. I like relying on myself. I don't like I've always relied on myself, I've always kept myself up on my two feet. Um, and I'm very blessed to be in like certain positions where I could possibly like you know help others, but it's also like just strive for yourself, isn't it? And everything else will fall into place. If you're gonna be out here looking for certain some certain something, then if that works for you, that works for you, isn't it?

SPEAKER_07 54:30

I think most are though, to be fair.

SPEAKER_15 54:33

I don't know. I feel like with the way that the world's going now, that the whole like boss babe culture, I feel like that's like really pushing compared to like tradition, because society isn't traditional anymore. You can't buy a house like how our grandparents did, where it was like 40 to 60k. It is hard to reach 100k um years. It is hard to start a business, it is hard to get um a certain audience for your business to thrive. It's it's not the same. If life was still traditional and how it was when our grandparents were our age, beautiful, perfect, yeah, it's gonna work. But even to try and strive for that traditionalism is way hard now. Like way, way harder. So that's why people are pushed more into like the boss babe culture and standing on your own two feet and doing these things and doing these stuff because people are just kind of understanding the value of reality and like the way that all these societal norms are pushing people into like certain categories, and there's only so much you can do in that. So you're either gonna stay in that and have that life like this, or you're gonna obviously burst out of it and stand on your own two feet and do whatever you want to do.

SPEAKER_07 55:35

And she's a full-time ninja, so I don't want to ask you that. Full-time ninja.

SPEAKER_08 55:41

I'm surprised she's here, not breaking into somewhere to be honest.

SPEAKER_07 55:47

Next one, 50-50 bus babe.

SPEAKER_15 55:53

There's nothing wrong with 50-50, there's nothing wrong with bus babe at that.

SPEAKER_07 55:56

Yeah, obviously, I think that's like what people have to do now, to be fair. So that's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 56:00

I just want to know whatever happened to letting a female win an argument and shut nut and say, you know what, baby? Whatever, I'm not gonna win. You try to argue, argue, argue. That's what's screaming.

SPEAKER_07 56:14

Sassy, sassy, sassy that I'm just gonna tell you straight, yeah. I'm never gonna do that. I I wouldn't argue, but I'm definitely definitely gonna say you're right. Let me let me dodge all of that energy, yo. That's ridiculous. Couple N buttoms in there, yo. Do you know people that think like that? Do you think like that? Your man should just let you win an AR, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

No, I don't think that's not.

SPEAKER_05 56:38

That face, like, no.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

No, like, should I be expected to win? No, I shouldn't. No.

SPEAKER_05 56:43

Because she's a woman, that's what she's saying.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

No, no.

SPEAKER_05 56:45

You should win because you're a woman.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

No, because then if somebody's if somebody I trust is always telling me I'm right, I'm gonna think I'm right. And I think women overall have a tendency to need to be right, and I think unless you put them in the place, they're gonna get carried away with themselves.

SPEAKER_08 57:00

I'll be honest. I think it's women with that type of tone that have that type of mentality.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

But you know, if you told her she's right, she's coming with more and it's not. Yeah, yeah. Because she thinks she's right, you get it. Like instantly you can't.

SPEAKER_08 57:10

You just tell right there. Like, I need a feminine type of woman, like, that's a bit too manly for me. All of that, you like that's a bit too manly. I feel like I'm talking to man, them then. Be feminine, be feminine. I hear what you're saying. I'm I'm even gonna bring it to the forefront of my mind if you're gonna be feminine. I'm not, but if you're gonna talk like that, he's completely different. But if you're gonna talk like that, mm-mm. I ain't got that kind of time of day. Because I can't, I don't want to be on the on the plane with someone having a war. Like I'm having a war with this with the same energy.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

That's crazy. In relationships, there's always like for a lot of people, there's a communication breakdown, and it I think it's about each gender understanding a man and a woman, whereas if you can understand each other better, you can communicate better to bring stronger foundations in your relationship. Maybe I have a difference.

Relationships, Femininity, And “Sassy” Men

SPEAKER_08 57:55

But if you're rare, rare, raring. You want a woman to rare, rare, rare at you, like she's managing. It's never happened. You want her to talk feminine, isn't it? Was that was that feminine to you? But she wouldn't even get in the house. That's my point. And I feel like that's the mentality. If you're gonna talk like that, I already know your mentality. If if we're sitting down and we're talking, yeah, and we're just getting to know each other. If you have that type of tone, I already know what it's gonna be. I already know what your attitude is gonna be. Like, you're gonna want to try and dominate me. I already know I ain't gonna have a word in edgeways when it comes to arguments already. You get me? So I'm I'm avoiding that. You have to come feminine again.

SPEAKER_07 58:27

I feel like I've got a different because like I would say 90 85% of the arguments is just because they're hungry. Like, it's like I I you know what I'm trying to say. So it's just like it's different it's hard for me to take it serious. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, if I can dead most arguments by just hugging you and kissing you on the head, I can't take you serious. So that's what I'm saying. My experience must be different.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

Yeah, that's like you know, let me go by it. Yeah, it's serious. But something that simple ain't gonna diffuse the problem if there's a problem.

SPEAKER_07 58:54

Snickers ain't gonna end up. But that's my point. Most of the issues are not really a big issue, you're just causing, you're just making it into a big issue. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 59:01

No, but in relationships, obviously, there's things that happen to cause issues that need resolving.

SPEAKER_07 59:06

No, but what I'm trying to say is I'm not talking about big issues, that's different. That would be most of the time, yes. Most of the time, you're just nagging about some dumb shit.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

But it's important to acknowledge a woman's emotions, otherwise, you're gonna emotionally shut her down.

SPEAKER_07 59:18

I'm gonna go and we'll go get some KFC, that's what I'm saying. I'm acknowledging it.

SPEAKER_15 59:22

No, you're you're you're unhealthy. You have a lot of naivety when it comes to it. You just think ah she's hangry, like, okay, cool. That's another stereotype then. Like, I agree.

SPEAKER_05 59:33

That's the street.

SPEAKER_15 59:34

It's like, it's like, okay, cool, I get where you're coming from because like it's not just like a woman thing. I feel like there is loads of times where we're all a bit aggy, we have something to eat, and we're like, okay, I feel a bit better now. But it's not to say that that's the case all the time. I feel like letting a woman win a fight every time just isn't that. I agree with no, no, no. I'm saying she's saying a woman should have to win a fight every time. That's not, I don't agree with that because it's just that's just stupid. You should be having. Accountable if you're wrong. But that doesn't mean that the argument has to keep going on and on around in circles and circles and circles and circles. If that's the case, then we just need to have the conversation, agree to disagree. But it's like it's not just letting her win and all of these things. Obviously, if she is right, don't gaslight them. I don't feel like she gaslight anyone or manipulate anyone into a different opinion if that's their opinion or that's their right going. Yeah, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:21

Bring it to the forefront in your mind. Definitely. I wanted I want you to know that you can share your opinion with me and I'm gonna take it seriously. Yeah but when it comes to the decision, yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:00:30

She's already, you're right, she's already come into that argument, that situation with a you get me with the already, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:36

Like I'm gonna do this, that's you can't that's not mm-mm.

SPEAKER_15 1:00:40

Yeah, you're not that's not that's not even a conversation, it's just like a that's just like brick wall, like you know there's no conversation here, it's my way or the highway, and I just feel like that's not you don't get anywhere with that.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:49

No, I've that's I feel like that's a man, that's a man thing, it's like you're talking to a man, honestly. I feel like when you have that, it's like I'm Bantuin with him that we're having heightened levels, it's like why are we talking like that? If I'm talking to a woman, I'm expecting you know a womany tone.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:03

I mean, like a woman can have a masculine tone as well, but in the sense of like where it's like shaky.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:09

No, no, no, it's like that's one shaky, that's one shaky one.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:13

But it's like okay, but she's saying the sassy thing. So what just because a guy has an opinion back that means you're sassy, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:19

Yeah, but men get called sassy for everything. Anytime like we try and fight back against something, we get called sassy.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:23

We're not allowed to have an opinion these days, but then then then that's people who have very closed minds, and that's really unfortunate for them.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:28

I'm just gonna name a few things, yeah. A few common things, yeah, that I've heard that women moan about. And you'd say if it you'd let me know if it's trivial or if it's like an actual thing.

unknown 1:01:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:36

Do you understand?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:37

So, um, not putting the toothpaste lid on.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:40

You think do I think that's worth an argument?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:42

Yeah, no, no, so I'm naming some things that you're gonna everyone's laughing now. Everyone thought I was the dickhead here saying, yo, uh, man of moaning about some dumb shit. So I'm gonna go through the list and you tell me if you've ever moaned about it, or you know your friend who's moaned about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:56

Maybe not you. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:59

No, be honest. No, I'm gonna think about it. Now, but you know the thing is though. Now but you know the thing is though.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:06

You're you're basically now but you're based, you're baby. I can't believe I'm gonna ask you about it.

SPEAKER_18 1:02:12

I'm gonna ask you, now cool, cool, cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:14

I'm gonna ask you, you're based, so I don't think you're gonna moan about that shit. I'm gonna ask you and be honest, I'm gonna go through this be honest if you've moaned about this shit. Yeah? Some of these things my mum's even moaned about it, so that's why I'm going through it as well. Like some dumb shit. So I'm gonna go through it. You might not have, but tell me if you have. Yeah, cool. Not put in the toothpaste later. You had that moan.

SPEAKER_15 1:02:37

No.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:38

Be honest. Have you had that moan? Have you had that moan? There you go. I'm gonna unmute him. The women, that's why he's had that moan.

SPEAKER_15 1:02:48

That's where you're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

Yeah, she's hungry. I just told you.

SPEAKER_15 1:02:56

Be honest, yeah. No, no, no, no, the line problem. Yeah, it's not it's not even the tea towel. It's the bliminal, it's like it's indirect, isn't it? It's like when the tea towel is left scrunched in the thing and not put nicely. Yeah, yeah. Things like that are gonna piss you off when there's other things pissing you off, and you're like, Here what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:13

But here's the problem. Let me let it because I'm trying to make it clear what I'm trying to say. I I'm agreeing, I'm saying that there is an underlying problem, and I'm saying that a majority of the time the underlying problem was some dumb shit, like you're hungry, or whatever, it didn't take you out that week, or something it's some some dumb shit. That's what I'm trying to say. Could have given fixed. So I'm gonna go for the list.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:36

Could have got fixed by a sniper.

SPEAKER_17 1:03:37

Alright, so cool. So just to go from my so yeah, the toothpaste was what brought there the argument out. Yeah, underlying issue was neglect.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:44

Alright, cool. Okay, can I ask you a question? Neglect for the Snickers? I didn't get a Snickers, I think. I'm not that worried. Let me ask you then. So you know, you know the toothpaste thing. Did the underlying issue come out?

SPEAKER_17 1:03:53

No, not with a toothpaste, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:55

No, I mean after later on did it come out. Yeah, it did. And what was it?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:57

It didn't put the towel back and then sorry.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:00

It was scratched up.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

It left the wash, it left the wash.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:04

It was so scrunched up.

SPEAKER_18 1:04:09

It was scrunched up. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. I've got to go back to the phone.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

And it was because it was because it didn't take it out that Friday night, didn't it? It all came out.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:20

He didn't go out Friday night. He left the tea towel scrunched up. Yeah. Probably ripped up a piece of the toilet paper and put on one of the squares, fell on the floor next to the toilet. Box of shorts are next to the basket on the floor. Not in the basket. Giving Cinderella in it. Cinderella, bro. You did give her a cause to moan.

SPEAKER_17 1:04:41

No, I did, I did, I did. It was one of them and it I was working, I was working hard.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:45

You know what it is? I feel like you're never gonna be able to make her uh happy anyway. You're never going to completely please a woman because she's always gonna find something to niggle.

SPEAKER_15 1:04:55

But then that's not your person.

SPEAKER_17 1:04:57

Yeah, that's why we're not together anymore.

SPEAKER_15 1:04:59

Period.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:00

There's always a niggle point. Even the person that loves you the most niggles.

SPEAKER_15 1:05:04

Because if they don't care about you, if that's gonna be the reason that's gonna break you guys up, then that's not your person. If something like that is is going to cause that much of a riff between two people, then that is not your person.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:15

No, I get it. You shouldn't cause so much long-lasting damage, but still, there's always gonna be a niggle.

SPEAKER_15 1:05:21

There's always been there's always gonna be something, yes, because we're only human. We're only human, but keep it yourself, eh?

SPEAKER_08 1:05:29

Keep it internal. I'm upset, but you know what? I'm gonna keep it in here. You know what? I'm sick of your weave getting all over the floor and blocking my dream. But you know what? I'm just gonna keep it to me today. Because me saying that, what does that do? All that does is charge you up. Maybe you're not happy today, all of a sudden they won't find it.

SPEAKER_15 1:05:45

But then but the case if that's the case, then that then that's what I mean. There's underlying issues. Someone should not be like you no one can trigger me like that unless I've actually got something within myself that's pissing me off. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 1:05:58

There is something at the bat, you're gonna use that to bring it forward.

SPEAKER_15 1:06:01

It's like how people like if you just have a bad day and then like one person who hasn't even done anything to you and you just let it all out on that person, it's built up stuff. So that's what I mean. It's either like they could be having a bad day, you could be having a bad day. There's stuff probably something within the relationship that you haven't even addressed, and you're just like, Oh, why are you saying mind? But literally, for the whole past week, you've been like maybe maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:22

I need to be clear again on what I'm trying to say. Maybe I'm not explaining it properly. No, I got it. So I'm gonna try and you literally threw the book out of the wall, so I got that last way. So I'm trying, I'd like so. What I'm saying is and I'm gonna go for the list again in a sec. And I'm saying even the underlying reason is still some dumb shit. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. So he said the toothpaste was the what brought it out, but it was over the tea towel. That's still dumb. So what neglect how? Remember, I added he didn't take you out that week. No, no, no. I added that now, I wasn't there for like two months. So you was gone?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:52

You busy man?

SPEAKER_07 1:06:52

Who cares? That was basically busy man, who cares? This is it. Alright, so let's go for the list.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:00

You was gone.

SPEAKER_17 1:07:01

So I was still at the house.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:02

Yeah, so I was there, but you were just busy.

SPEAKER_17 1:07:04

I was just busy.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:05

So you wasn't available.

SPEAKER_17 1:07:07

You was there, but you wasn't present. Zero zero. I was I wasn't emotionally available, zero vi like I literally sleep and go. That's what women want.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:14

Women want everything, yeah, but they don't want to pay the price of the lifestyle that it comes with.

SPEAKER_17 1:07:17

Oh, so some dumb shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:18

So then the stressing men out.

SPEAKER_17 1:07:20

Well, it was it was dumb shit because I was genuinely working, but she thought I had a second wife and all this kind of stuff. Also, some dumb shit, yeah. That's not that's my point. Some dumb shit then.

SPEAKER_15 1:07:28

But no, that's dumb. It's it's it's it's it's not to say it's dumb, like what's dumb is like the tea towel thing. I would say it's dumb, like holding you accountable and not understanding your work ethic and all those type of things. So she's actually got like neglect towards you. It's it's the problem within everything. It's not, I wouldn't say it's dumb.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:44

I'm gonna try and do something.

SPEAKER_15 1:07:45

Like, dumb is tea towel.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:46

Alright, so let me just quickly do some maths then. And then and then and the top of the toothpaste. Trust me, I'm gonna get mad at it.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:53

I feel like that's what I'm saying. So she definitely moaned about it. I'm not sure she's moaned about you.

SPEAKER_14 1:07:56

I haven't.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:57

I feel like the way you're looking at it, you're like, you know what? Actually, this girlfriend I'm gonna do some maps. If he squeezes that motherfucking toothpaste in the middle again, after I have moved it all to the top. I'm gonna do some I wanna I'm gonna do some girl maps, some girl maps, yeah. So you don't understand.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:12

So girls.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:12

You say some pink maps.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:13

So, yeah, so women want man with money. So you don't need that African asset, women want man with money. Yeah, I'm trying to say so. Woman wants man with money, but also wants man to always be with him, which which makes it difficult for him to make the money. So then woman won't want the man. It's the case.

SPEAKER_15 1:08:32

It's the cave that's but this is the thing, that's why I said it's neglect on her side as well, because she's not understanding. You shouldn't be with someone if you're not gonna fully understand who they are as a person. So it's like, how can how can how can he be in a relationship with this with your ex? And she's not, and he's here like you know, breadwinning out here, trying to fund a future, all of these things, but then she's like, but you never it's like having to go at someone who's like a film director and they're always weigh filming, but that's literally their job.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:58

But that's a general, but I would say that's a general thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:00

But then but then the the the the fault is in the person because you can't you can't expect him to be doing all these things but still be at home. They do expect that. But then that's the problem within them.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:11

No, but I'm saying that I would say that's a that's a generalized thing with women. They do want a lot of attention. How do they get that person? Whether he makes a lot of money. I hear no, I hear what you're saying.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:20

No, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but they but go man is gumman. No, I hear what you're saying. That's the algebra technical. It doesn't make sense. In reality, it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:30

Oh, so it's some dumb, so it's some dumb shit.

unknown 1:09:33

Okay, gotcha, bitch.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:35

I don't know. So it's some dumb shit I'm gonna say, so let me go for the list. Oh, actually, saying that we didn't belong to the street shoe.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:42

Huh? Oh shit. What did you mean? She belongs to the street.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:45

When you introduced yourself earlier, you did not get a belong to your street. Now, to be fair to all of the rest of the OnlyFans guests we've had on here, we have to keep that up as a tradition. Okay.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:54

Well, is it?

SPEAKER_08 1:09:55

Because you do all the things. She belongs to the street. You get that. I just had to make sure that can I go for the listener? Sorry, technically one more, please. Sorry. Yeah, because the street, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:04

You've got to be fair. Sorry. Moaning about the toothpaste lid. Leaving the toilet seat up.

SPEAKER_15 1:10:11

So what am I saying? This is on an argument.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:13

Leaving the toilet seat up. So you never moan about that? No. Do you think women in general moan about that? Ninja? Leave in the toilet seat up. Look at that one. She knows she's moaned about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:22

No, I'm I know women moan, like women are more prone to moan. Oh, like silly things.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:27

When was the last time you moan about the toilet seat up?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:29

I don't moan. I live by myself. I I know women that moan because it's an underlying issue, like it's it's it's a surfacing of what's deeper than there's a deeper problem.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:40

Yeah, but the on even the underlying issue is not really that much of a big problem.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:43

You can't dismiss how a woman feels and expect things to be smooth. Women are toxic. If you don't, if you don't address a woman's problem, and you don't support her emotionally, they they can become toxic or make your life difficult.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:57

They do, but I do address it. I hugged my kiss manifold.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:59

No, that's some food. If you do that to a wife, if you do that to a wife, a woman that lives at home, that's not the end of it. Most of the time. Cleaning, cooking, putting the toilets down, putting the lid on the toothpaste, doing all of these cells. And all he could give me was a dinner. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:22

No, but the dinner, what I'm saying is taking taking them out. But most of the time, sitting on the toilet, quiet. No, no, no, but that covers it all in it.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:37

No, but we're all laughing because it's some dumb shit anyway. So it's like, but I'm saying taking them out negates most of the problems that they have, which is attention, yeah, and they're hungry. So it works most of the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:49

If you're really busy, yeah, and you take someone out for dinner, your wife, say, for example, then you live with them, and it's not meaningful. She's aware it's not meaningful because I know women that nag to be taken out, and there's no there's no energy in that.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:00

Well, she ain't gonna know that I don't really want to.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:02

She knows you don't have you need a wife at home who knows you're inside out. You take them out for dinner on a Friday, you've been working all week, and it's just there and back, and you're on the phone at the same time, yeah. I'm coming back out, whatever with your boys. You go back to home after your dinner, and you're a woman, you're thinking, is that it? After I've been at home for the whole week, is I could have just made my own food.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:19

No, but they want some attention, that's my point.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

They want value, like valuable exchange from your partner. It's not just attention, they want they want part of you that they're giving up as well in their week.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:30

So I can just talk to them on the phone then.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:31

No.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:32

Oh, so they need your attention then.

SPEAKER_15 1:12:33

It's being emotionally available. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:36

Over the phone or in person?

SPEAKER_15 1:12:37

No, in person. It's showing, it's showing efforts. It's showing efforts.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:41

So they need my attention.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:43

Not just the flipping bit of food in that. What the hell is that?

SPEAKER_07 1:12:46

No, it's not attention, but what kind of girl will that say, I can't just take it? I thought, no, that's just because of you. Yeah, I can't just no, but taking someone out, taking someone out for food, yeah, is just a metaphor for me saying that they just need some bit of attention.

SPEAKER_15 1:13:01

No, but the thing is, you can go out on a dinner and still sit there and be like, Yeah, it can be dead home. It's it's the effort, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:07

Yeah, but I'm saying, I do make the effort. You're not gonna know that I don't really fucking want to be there and really I want to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

Of course, people know if you don't want to be there.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:13

They won't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:14

I believe that.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:15

They won't know. I'm not gonna act like that because I'll I know you need this.

SPEAKER_15 1:13:18

Well then that's nice then, because that's making you're you're making even though you feel like you don't want to do that, you're making yourself emotionally available before your partner.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:24

Pretending to be available. That's not nice. You should be available for your partners. You can't face this shit. Then you're gonna create the surface issues of the toothpaste and the towel because you know what's gonna be.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:36

I'm just gonna let you know because I maybe you two ladies don't like maybe you like don't know that for the money.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:44

No, no, go on, go on. This is space first, say first.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:50

I'm gonna say it in a nicer way. Us guys would rather not chill with you because we don't, as men and women, we're completely different. We don't really have much in common. Well, obviously, we do it to make you look happy.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:10

No, that's a lie because that is such garbage. Okay. You're lying about the fact that you need women's attention yourself as well. Like men and women go hand in hand, it's not just about women, women, yeah. You gain something from it too, so don't act like you're just giving it all to the woman. Yeah, we do. Like if you need woman energy the same way you need male energy, yeah. I tell you what, the difference is and this is Yeah, women women comfort you and heal you, and men help you build. Yeah, and sometimes, rarely, men and women can build together, but for the most part, it's men build together and women and men feed off each other.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:42

Men and women are completely different in a way. So, for instance, if you two were friends, if you went into a room, you two would have to talk to each other and you'd be playing tennis with them. You're not not me. I don't have to. I don't do it. I can sit in a room with my boys and not talk like I've gone on, I've gone online, everyone's in a party, we're not really talking. Yeah, yeah. And we're just like, I like you're just gonna be able to do that. We can sit in the room. We can sit in a room and not even be talking to me. I can sit in the room. No, no, no, no. You like have to be a good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:07

Not you like you got the wrong conversation. Maybe women overall stereotypes. I can sit in the room for a whole month and not speak to any one person. Never mind. Never mind on an hourly basis. Is that women's anybody? Whoa, whoa. What are you doing sitting in a room for a month?

SPEAKER_15 1:15:21

I'm just saying I can if I wanted to, not really. Me and me and my girls, like, okay, cool. We're the whole like I mean, you you're probably there, like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we're all like, we're all like cackly and stuff like that together, but we can literally just pull up, not even say anything to each other and sit there in silence. We might be one might be reading book on the phone, watching TV. Cool. We literally don't even say anything too. That's normally. What are you saying?

SPEAKER_10 1:15:44

Don't daddy's nothing to do with it.

SPEAKER_15 1:15:45

Normally, no, no, what I'm trying to say is that we we as women we don't have to go into a room. You're saying that when we're in a room, we have to speak because we're women. What I'm trying to say is to you is that me and why can't we do this podcast? We do, so I let no one say the word. It's just literally.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:59

But that's different though, because this is like we're here for a reason, it's more of a business. That is just showing me.

SPEAKER_15 1:16:04

That's what I'm trying to say. Me and my girls have literally arranged to hang out, yeah, and we will still sit in a room and not say anything to me.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:09

It only normally happens if one of the girls don't like one of the girls.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:15

That's the only time. That's like that's like you brought her. Why did you bring her for more really you don't want to say that? Everyone's just sitting there because you don't want to be the awkward one, you don't want to be the awkward one to light it up. So then she's sitting there all silent, everyone's just sitting there, bro. And then every now and again you mention, oh, so how was your week? Yeah, yeah, it was good. You two having some side conversations, remember?

SPEAKER_08 1:16:36

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:37

Unless I live in in in a I don't even know, unless I don't even live in reality, bro. These are trying to sit me. Now you might be telling the dude, but you're just talking about yourself. I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:47

When you say about women, you I'm not I'm not listening because I don't fall into that category by myself. You don't ever see me with other girls.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:54

But I'm talking in general. So in general, you like you're not gonna sit there and try and tell me that you sit in the room and you're not playing tennis with a conversation. I've sat there, I've sat there and I've I've key pop, you the conversation's bouncing all over the gaff. You're just cackling, and you even do it, like you can't tell me that that's not a good thing. But one men don't really do that.

SPEAKER_15 1:17:15

We can cackle, but then we also can sit in silence. And these are these are my girls, we've been friends for like almost a decade.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:20

There ain't no silent kiki keying going over there, you know.

SPEAKER_15 1:17:23

I'm telling you, they're like we literally we literally plan to go over to each other's houses in our pajamas to literally sit there and bed rot. What do you prefer?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:30

What do you prefer?

SPEAKER_15 1:17:31

I prefer I prefer I should probably prefer the bed rot. Smoke. Probably have a smoke, man. No, no, literally having a smoke, but we're not the type of girls to go get in our heels and our dresses and girls in there just we have to go to slug and let us look at it.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:44

They're just silent, they're just silently in the living room just every now and again.

SPEAKER_15 1:17:47

We'll put on like Harry Potter, smoke a spliff, and just be chilling out.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:51

Now, but the spliffs must stop in the cackling though, so that's the way.

SPEAKER_15 1:17:55

No, it's not, because but Eva, when I'm gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:57

It's dry, it's dry mouth cackling, it's dry mouth cackling.

SPEAKER_15 1:18:01

So now I get it, because now the space cost of that's what I'm saying, but either do you have a conversation about space, or we literally are just chilling in space?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:12

It's an after the weed, it's an after the weed.

SPEAKER_15 1:18:15

It's before you literally saying, I'm literally saying to you that it can go either way.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:22

There are times where we're like, that's when them real flat earth conversations come out, you know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_15 1:18:28

So are you trying to tell me? Are you trying to tell me are you trying to tell me that women don't like to talk? No, I'm not saying that. So then your original statement is that women cannot be in a room and not to talk to me. That's not what I said. What did you say? What was the thing?

SPEAKER_07 1:18:45

I was saying I was and when I'm members when I'm saying it, I'm just talking in general.

SPEAKER_15 1:18:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:48

So I'm saying, I'll tell you why, I was saying, she was talking about obviously the women hearing the men, men can sit there in silence and the energy is enough. You just stroking my head's enough. We don't need to talk or do nothing like that.

SPEAKER_15 1:18:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:00

I'm saying for what I've witnessed, when women get into a room, even when they're strangers, this is going on, and the tennis playing with the conversation, it's all over the gap.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:08

I've seen men in general as well. Sometimes we sometimes mention what I think the average person just chats rubbish, that's why I stay quiet. I only want to talk if the conversation's worth it.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:19

I feel like it's more of a 50-50 in all fairness. Because you go to the pub, you got a lad in the pub, most men will find their friend in the pub and just chat shit about football or something like that. I think, oh, it's your teammate. Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, my team.

SPEAKER_15 1:19:29

Oh, yeah, we beat your team. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:31

I just do crap in the league at the moment. You know, just to be clear, men talk as much as women. I just want to make sure I don't want someone to make a definitive.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:38

Men talk as much as women. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:39

No, of course they don't. So what I'm saying is, and then when a man talks a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:43

I say you talk like a woman because you talk a lot.

SPEAKER_15 1:19:45

Oh I all I can say is that men do chat shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:49

Same as women.

SPEAKER_15 1:19:50

Yeah, they do. The same as women on the same level, yeah. I work in I work in the strip clubs. Do you know how much shit we have to listen to? There's a certain men though. No, but But it's we get all types of guys in there. You get all types of guys in there. Loads. Yeah, loads. You get all types of guys. It's not all just like these sleazy old guys that are fucking widows or whatever, blah blah. You get students, you get old, you get middle class, you get high class, you get the man themselves.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:14

Being a strip club, you're not a real man, I ain't gonna lie. That's my thing, but I've never ever been in a strip club. She just I just want to make it clear. She's saying that uh men and women taught the same. That's crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:20:24

Not the same conversations.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:24

I think I think that I think men change, though, but has society changed because men do chat a lot now?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:31

Yeah, because the feminine are more feminine now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:32

So they do chat though, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:34

Yeah, but because the more feminine, it's about right.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:36

But I think they have changed. I'll say like before, I know what you're saying. Like, people could just link up and like do your thing, but now people do chat because they like women, very sassy, true anyway.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:46

Let's go. But remember they like women, so yeah, true.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:49

If a man's a man, then yeah, they don't talk as much as a woman now.

SPEAKER_17 1:20:53

I think this is on theme for what we're talking about, anyway. So, um, this is an influencer, don't know where. Anyway, she's called Sonny Lee. She says, Um, her type of man or female, don't know if she's functioning either way. I need you to be able to take care of me and all my friends. Aha, uh so my warning is if I have to take care of your friends, then you need to take care of me too.

SPEAKER_15 1:21:17

So anyway, Taz is angels.

Paying For “Me And My Friends”

SPEAKER_07 1:21:22

The only thing is, things like this is actually very damaging for women because it sets like a precedence that's just not realistic, to be honest with you. And and most of these influencers just set these these standards that are stupid. Like, I've seen videos of you went out on a birthday mail and you expected your man to pay for you and everyone, and all this craziness. Like, it's just making it you're setting unrealistic standards for people because I can tell you this from now not on your Nelly. Am I talking after your friends and you that's crazy? So I don't know what you think.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:53

I agree with Key. What the key said. If I'm gonna service your friends, they need to service me.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:00

Oh, if it's another ties as angels, that's a different thing.

SPEAKER_15 1:22:03

But I'm just a bunch of sister wives.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:06

Yeah. If I'm paying if I'm paying your way, I didn't mean funny, but that's my hard-earned money. I better be getting something back.

SPEAKER_15 1:22:12

Yeah, I feel like I feel like her statement is very um Miami. Like, you know what I mean when I say that. Freedom! Like, like, you know, it's like how you do go to Miami, the girls go there, get bare free shit, go to Dvai, we can eat out free, like all of these things. But I mean, I feel like that's what she's catering to. She's the type of woman who's in those type of scenes, in those type of ways, wanting to live a life like that. And there are men in those spaces that will do that that are doing that. They're like, Yeah, bring you and all your girls to my table. Oh, you guys want to chill with us afterwards? We've got you, got this, da-da-da-da-da, chauffeuring them around, meeting up with them the next day, getting acts.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:48

So just me other than just saying the rappers, just put rappers.

SPEAKER_15 1:22:51

It's just put rappers. Simpson in the world. There are there are there are people.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:56

It's the rappers that the buying the buying girls, but what's his name? Um, is it future? Not future. Which one is it that buys all the girl on the Birkin bag? Once you get a Birkin, that means you're one of his girls.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:06

And then when he's ready to phone you, you better answer because otherwise he takes a bag, but but I wouldn't I wouldn't say I necessarily agree with a statement like that. I own you because it's I mean, if you say for instance, it's like a um like even I've done it with like one of my when I've been dating someone and I meet their friends, I'm like, oh I'll I'll pay for the dinner. Like it's a nice gesture. I feel like when there's certain things like that where, yeah, you can do it, but the expectancy of it, like it's nice to do a nice gesture, do you know you're like, oh, do you know what? There's one or two of the girls that I'll get the drinks, I'll get the first round, I'll I'll do this. Like it's a nice gesture.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:36

But you would go there to expect it, pay you your own way and to expect it now.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:40

But no.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:41

But the thing is, right, like I've done that and have done that, but I'm on about it. Yeah, I agree with you. It's the expecting it.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:47

Yeah, I think it's the expecting. I would do it if it was just the root part of it.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:50

I would do it.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:51

People, because people do do that, but I feel like that that statement is for certain spaces like Miami.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:56

Yeah, sims are really right. So yeah. Too many men doing that, doing them too much.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:01

Too many men, too many minute.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:03

Yeah, what do you think? Look after the friends and the you or I already know your, I think I know your opinion is anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:08

I just I don't know. I don't I don't I don't know. I I don't agree with that. No, and for someone to expect is the problem, it's the expectation to expect so much from someone is wrong. So on your birthday, you wouldn't expect that from it's different because if I have a partner and who takes care of me and I go for dinner and he chooses to take care of me and whoever I'm with, that's his decision. But would I expect him to do any of that? No, that's why a surprise or something nice is something nice.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:34

Turkish families have started treating certain online behaviours from repeated photo interactions to flirty comments and private messages is seen as infidelity.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:46

Yes, cheating.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:47

Should double tapping someone's selfie or sliding into DMs ever count as cheating?

SPEAKER_08 1:24:53

Cheating.

unknown 1:24:53

Wow.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:54

Would this lie in the UK? It's law now, yes, it's law in Turkey, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:58

Cheating. I don't think it is, but I I wouldn't I I would say not to do it, cheat. But I wouldn't say it's cheating. Fucking double tapping. No, double tapping. I don't know.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:06

I think sliding into DMs is the next level than just I think the picture.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:12

No, I don't think you can I don't think you can cheat on social media.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:15

No, you can definitely cheat on social media, but I feel like sliding into DMs has a complete different type of energy than liking a post. But that's what I mean. You're allowed to just appreciate someone's beauty, you're allowed to just do whatever.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:28

But I feel like it's like No, you're not allowed to like you like man's posts and new.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:33

But yeah, but I'm not I'm not I'm not insecure like that. Just because you've liked someone's picture doesn't mean I'm gonna start questioning your love towards me.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:38

No, I'm saying you like man's posts when you you know if you're in a relationship. I don't know if you are or you're not.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:43

You would like man's post.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:44

I would yeah, it's just it's just social media, we're just scrolling, just always. Everyone's different. Like if you're in a relationship and it's clearly affecting someone's mental well-being, you should take that.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:52

If my yeah, if my partner came to me and said, I don't like the fact that you do this, whatever, then I'll Don't even ask me.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:58

Don't even rather that's me.

SPEAKER_15 1:26:00

If my partner came to me, but the thing is, the thing is that me, I'm a very open-minded person. If my partner came to me and or we agreed on something within our relationship, which is a certain dynamic or a certain expectancy of each other, then I would adhere to it. I'm not gonna be like, You're stupid, da da da. Because I'm not gonna downplay how something makes you feel. If it makes you feel like that, then I'm not going to do it. I definitely am not gonna be out here loving someone, but then doing things that's gonna be pissing them off. That makes no sense. Does that make him insecure? Does it make him insecure? Um, I would say it's a fine line. I would say yes and no.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:27

Of course, it means it can't be yes and no.

SPEAKER_15 1:26:29

Yeah, I would the only reason why I say yes and no, so the reason why I say yeah, it makes you insecure is because then you you you you're obviously watching something else and thinking that because of someone else's action means that they now have something less for you. So that's an insecurity because you think, oh my god, you've liked the picture, that means that I'm probably not as beautiful or whatever, blah blah. No, it's just ability. It can make you think these type of ways, but it's but the reason why I say no is because you have um just a certain level of how you want to be treated. So if you have a certain level of how you want to be treated, that doesn't make you insecure, that's just what you actually prefer.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:00

That's a more girl mass thing. I don't it can't be it can't be yes and no, like that's a logical sounds like plus and plus.

SPEAKER_15 1:27:07

No, the reason why I say yes and no, so if it comes from a place of where you're seeing you're seeing me like other people's things and it's making you feel less within yourself, then it's an insecurity. It comes from an insecurity purpose as to why you're feeling like that in the first place.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:19

But why not question why you're giving that person away?

SPEAKER_15 1:27:21

If someone has a preference, but if someone has a preference of no, that's just that's generally just what that's generally just what I would level. That's the level that I hold for myself. I wouldn't want that for my partner, then that's where the no, that's why it's yes and no.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:31

Or or hear me out, hearing you out. You just don't want his girl liking. You don't want his girl liking pictures.

SPEAKER_15 1:27:38

That's fine as well. That's but that's what that's that's where the no is. That's that's what I mean. You have a preference. I don't want to say that I just wouldn't like that. If it comes from, if it comes from, oh it makes me feel worse within myself, it's insecurity. If it's just a preference, I don't like that, then that's why I say yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:51

Do you do you know, but again, do you not feel like doing that indicates accessibility to the person that you're liking?

SPEAKER_15 1:27:58

No, because it's just a it's just a picture.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:00

So you just liking a random person's picture, you don't think it what what do you think in their mind they see, they just see as the same mentality that you can do.

SPEAKER_15 1:28:08

You can appreciate you can appreciate someone's beauty.

Is Liking And DMing Cheating

SPEAKER_08 1:28:10

So as a male, I'm talking about as a male, because there is a difference here between how a woman would perceive a life, because you know, you can just see it as you know, whatever, you know, Maryland, you don't even need to look at it really, you're gonna get likes regardless. Whereas from a male's perspective, for a woman to like that picture, do you honestly think that there's nothing there now in his mind that thinks, oh, I have access to this woman, that this woman is giving me access? You don't think that men are like lights a picture? Yes, yeah, you don't and this is why it's so mad that you're looking at me so crazily, because a lot of women won't get that, they don't get that. That is the first indicator for accessibility, especially be it on social media. So what?

SPEAKER_15 1:28:47

So that's got 8,000 licenses, you have 8,000 people have access to the ex-Arsenal player at the end.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:52

If you want to, no, but the difference is you have the choice. The difference is as a woman, as a woman, you have the choice to who you want to give access to, isn't it right? So if you're giving as a man, you don't have that choice. Access kind of comes to you. You don't have the choice of who gives you access because you control the key. So the fact that you're liking something is indicating, it's not saying that that's the case, in your and it's not saying that you're giving that man something, but it's an indication that there is access there. Because from that like, there is something now that can happen back. That's why I can now like your career, I can now like your pictures back. I can now try and even slide in your DM. Someone I wasn't even thinking about before, I wasn't even on your radar, but now you've liked my photo. I'm looking at you now, and you're actually attractive now. I'm actually, oh shit, you're you're you're into me. All right, you're looking at my let me try a thing now. Now you're in a relationship. So as that man now that's in a relationship, how do you if he can see that on the outside, how do you really think he's gonna feel about that? Knowing that now that person can look at you and have that mentality.

SPEAKER_15 1:29:51

The thing is, I hear what you're saying, I hear it because I've heard it before from men and women, but it's like to me, the liking of a picture is just that's just mad to think that it digresses that much in someone's mind. That's why I said there's a difference between liking a picture and sliding into DMs. Sliding into DMs is an intent to me.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:09

I'm literally just scrolling, double tap, because who would normally do the sliding? It's the male that would do the sliding, but you can double-doom scrolls.

SPEAKER_15 1:30:16

I think everyone doom scrolls, but it's like it's just yeah, but is that about the sliding into the DMs? Yeah, but sliding into the DMs, yeah. I would because you're doing it with intent. Why are you trying to talk to somebody else? That's intentional.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:27

See, this is the thing though, again. I think it's a bit different if a man does it. I don't it's still you shouldn't be doing it, 100%, but it's just a little bit different, if I'm on.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:38

It is, we're not the same.

SPEAKER_15 1:30:39

But you think it's different if a man slides into a DMs compared to a woman slide into a DMs, even liking a picture.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:44

I think both both are wrong. No, I think, yeah, I think it's both are wrong, but it's a bit it's different.

SPEAKER_15 1:30:48

I mean, I would hold it to the same.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:50

No, it's not the same. If a woman slides into your DM, if a woman slides into your DM, you're good to go, man. Like the red green light.

SPEAKER_15 1:30:57

Maybe, maybe, maybe I just see it as that because I am someone who's interested in both sex, so it's like I don't really hold it to a male or female thing. If you're doing something like that, you're doing something with intent, especially if you know you're in a relationship that's monogamous. It's like, why are you doing that? You're obviously trying to do something that's against here or have sex, have sex is cheating, of course.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:19

Yeah, of course. Well, I'm saying it's just different though.

SPEAKER_15 1:31:22

Different, different. What do you mean? What cheating, cheating, having sex, and cheating doing a DMs?

SPEAKER_07 1:31:27

No, no, cheating's wrong, but I'm saying the way men have sex and the way women have sex is different.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:31

I mean, and to get to that point again, yeah, accessibility they get in there is different.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:37

The growth of I even having this conversation here, it's different, it's different. Women have to have something with that guy to want to have sex with them. Men, it's just it's a whole, basically. It's a cookie, pretty much.

SPEAKER_15 1:31:47

I mean for women, it's I hear what I hear what you mean, but also so that's why it's different to me. It's just like nah.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:55

Personally, I get it. Majority majority is different. Okay, yeah, let's go ahead and round a circle.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:03

Key's a dickhead for this, yeah. Um cheating, liking pictures, or you don't care.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:08

I am mindful about what I like on social media.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:11

Yeah, what if your man likes? It's not possible. You wouldn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:16

My man's not around to do that, so obviously.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:19

Hypothetically, a dream world.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:20

Hypothetically, it's going to a dream world.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:24

Would you care if your man did do that?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:26

I've got a different school of thought and everything, so yeah, no, that's why I'm asking you. Um I don't care what a guy does. Like, if if that makes him happy, then that makes him happy.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:34

Why would he sleep with someone out?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:36

Me personally, like, anyone could look at my phone anytime. There's nothing in my social media to see that I'm being any bad intentions. I don't think I should carry myself in a particular way differently in or out relationships, you know, outside of relationship. I like I like to think I'm the same person with or without someone. That's based on my own loyalty to me, not somebody else. That's loyal to me.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:00

Because I always have the password to my partner's phone, but they can't have my I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:03

Like my whole family know my password, my brother knows my password.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:06

I don't really do the whole thing, the whole phone thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:08

I'm not interested.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:09

No, I don't know or in general. No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:13

I've never gone through someone's phone, but I do need a password.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:16

I don't care.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:17

I've seen three phones, I was just not doing the whole password thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:22

It's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:23

Everyone has my password in my hand. Misogyny!

SPEAKER_08 1:33:25

No, I'm not we need that's massaging, but I like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:29

How is it messaging? I just think things are different, then it I just I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:32

What has she got for me?

SPEAKER_17 1:33:34

Ex-Arsenal player Nicholas Pepe, Arsenal player. Uh reportedly planning to marry adult film star Tiana Trump. But don't let Pepe do that, Blood. Damn, fold him, Blood. Damn, don't let him do that, Blood. Let's just have a word on that then, basically.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:48

Bad. It's actually money gone, you know. I ain't gonna lie. She's gonna call it cleaner in on there.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:54

Okay, before, yeah, I used to like sometimes see some of these things, and I used to be like, um, I used to have that kind of feeling of you know what, uh, you know what, someone needs to save the guy, or like um, someone needs to advise him, but now after doing the show for so long, yeah. I'm just like, I just don't care anymore. Like, we know what's gonna happen. Um, maybe he's saving her. You can't save her.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:18

No, maybe he is. Maybe he's he's trying to give her a good life, you know, good finances.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:22

There's no sooner, she might she can't save her, she may find one, you know, or her ability to pair band is in the bin, so it's impossible.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:32

Okay, saying that her content could now fly out the window. They could be a very financially rich couple now, because let's face it, you know, Pepe, female star, no, no, you're not no, okay. A lot of Arsenal fans would have been in too. That's a whole new demographic for her. That's what Drake does. He goes, No, that's probably why we sold him, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:51

To be honest with you, fucking read around people.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:54

But yeah, that's let's ask let's ask somebody who works in the industry how she feels about this matchup.

SPEAKER_15 1:34:59

I mean, only because you're in a certain type of industry doesn't mean that you lose value, you are a separate person to what your work is, and it doesn't identify like who you are, only just because you you've done something like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:12

You shut up, you shut up now.

SPEAKER_15 1:35:13

No, but I stand strongly on it because it's like only because you've done something in your life doesn't mean now that you're now less valuable or something like that. People who have that type of ideology, I think, is just stupid, and it's it comes from an insecurity, really, because it's like people people decide to do people just decide to do certain things, and it doesn't mean that they're not allowed to find love. Why does that mean that?

SPEAKER_07 1:35:36

I I I agree with that.

SPEAKER_15 1:35:38

What look at look at the look at look at um about to leave paper uh putter paper paper paper paper paper? I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. But yeah, he he's just married, and I think that's absolutely beautiful, and I think that's just I think that's just gorgeous that he can how does that correlate? No, but I'm saying, like, you're saying it's someone someone who's in a certain type of industry. Yeah, like why did they why just because of their history and their choice of job means that they lose value, means that they're not entitled to have certain type of life experiences or certain types of love or a marriage or something like that with certain person.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:12

I can go, I can go scientifically, I can go generally, I can go.

SPEAKER_17 1:36:16

There's a few reasons why to just a part of paper one is is is it because he's um gone with someone similar?

SPEAKER_15 1:36:22

No, the only reason why I say that, to be honest, I don't even know too much about them, but I I just know that obviously his wife is um somebody was ex in the sex work industry.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:30

Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay, yeah, but people can do what they want to do, but as a human being, you don't lose value. Obviously, I'm not saying as a human being you lose value, but in a sexual marketplace, you definitely do. And to even argue that is just ridiculous, to be honest. And to argue that it's because you're insecure is also ridiculous as well.

SPEAKER_15 1:36:48

Well, you think you think that so sorry to take your point?

SPEAKER_07 1:36:52

Yeah, so obviously she's an ex-porn star, she's done her in the past, it's gonna affect her ability to be able to take men seriously anyway, scientifically, pair bonding and all that thing, those are things, especially for men uh for women, it affects men as well. So the more sexual partners a man has, it also affects your ability to pair bond as well. But the threshold is a it's a lot higher for women, it's a lot lower.

SPEAKER_15 1:37:16

I just feel like it's being secure in who you are.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:19

So, so okay, just to be so I you know okay, I would say most women want a guy who's successful and makes money. Yeah, would you agree with that?

SPEAKER_15 1:37:27

I've not not like it's a want that's what everyone strives for, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:31

So you're saying that women in general don't want someone who's made like a successful man who's tall in general, it's a new normal.

SPEAKER_17 1:37:37

We don't know.

SPEAKER_15 1:37:38

Well, are we gonna just but the thing is, I feel like you speak from a very traditional point of view and a very stereotypical societal norm and have a viewpoint of these type of things? Get him, I think like I do feel like it's like that. Just because so what? Because you've done the cancel culture podcast, that means that you're not you're untouchable now by like women, and because you you chat loads of shit and you do all of these things. Oh, why would anyone want to talk to you? Why would anyone want to be in the same room as you just because you have a podcast? Does that mean that you're like these other guys who got put down, penalized for that stuff? Those three guys, I don't even know. But do you know what I mean? Like, just because they've got a podcast and they've done something stupid and they've obviously ran with a narrative that is absolutely disgusting. Does that not mean that you're the same as them just because you all do the same podcast? That means that you lose your value because of that? Does your podcast correlate?

SPEAKER_07 1:38:23

How does the podcast correlate to being important style? But I'm saying getting trains ran on you. I was like to say uncorrelated.

SPEAKER_15 1:38:28

What I'm trying to say to you is that just because it's a certain type of industry and people have certain type of views on it doesn't mean that this podcast now loses value just because of what they've gone through as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:40

How is that correlated to what this is though? Overwork is deemed a bad one compared to other things because it's so because it's such a sacred thing to do. So for someone to excessively give that away.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:54

No, but I'm trying to understand how a podcast is the same as a podcast.

SPEAKER_15 1:38:57

No, because I'm trying to make you what I'm trying to make you understand is it's an industry.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:01

But you have to lose, you have to use a ph a function, a functional equivalent at least.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:05

You can't just use a podcast, that's nothing to like do something for a man. You gotta do something, you gotta do something that's at least similar.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:11

No, but what I'm so what the only reason my the only reason why I do this as an example is because it's it's an industry that you're in. So I'm trying what I'm trying to say is because there's other bad podcasters out there and men who have been dragged within those hosting roles and whatever and blah blah blah, doesn't now mean because that's happened to them over on that side, that doesn't mean that that's the same as you. So when people now look at you and they're like, oh, but because there's an ex-person who's in the podcast and they've done this, that means that you're the exact same. You must be this and you must be that. But that's someone trying to tell you who you are and you have the value of you just because of what's happened elsewhere.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:39

But that doesn't mean that's not because we both do podcasts.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:42

No, but yeah. Well, so why, so why, why is it whatever's gone on over here makes that the same value as you? It doesn't make no sense. And just because someone has decided to live their life a certain by a certain type of means and things like that doesn't mean that only like I completely understand where you come from. It is like a it is an energy exchange, it is a spiritual. Spiritual connection and all these type of things, but there is also people who can it's not always exactly that. There are other people who can disfunctiate the difference of it all.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:11

Like the sex work is the oldest trade. So you're trying to say that there's there's people, as in do you mean men or women who can what's the word that you used? Are you trying to say they can separate the vulnerable state from the exchange that can just have sex? Yeah, people can just have sex. So that means they're too far gone then.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:32

But that's my point.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:32

If you can do that, exactly. But I'm not I get what she's saying, because she's saying no matter what you go through, she's saying it doesn't determine your worth. That's her point.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:39

Wait, that's that's that's rubbish.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:41

But if but if people are getting hits like that, then they're kind of unconventional in a way. Because that's her point. I don't mean like if there's people out there that papers missus now used to be a sex worker, so they I don't know if she did or she didn't. I don't know either, so I'm not confirming that, but I'm just saying if it was that case, there are some women who do get a better outcome. But I get your point, and I'm more from that. They do get a better outcome. Generally speaking, people who have been washed through the system in that sense of constantly exchanging, then are you on about to because she's married to Pepe? Is that I'm not about that, I'm just saying in general about her point.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:18

A lot of people, a lot of people that worked in the sex industry do get okay outcomes. What I'm saying is men in general don't like that their woman's been a porn star, had trains ran on them and been a porn and done things like that.

SPEAKER_15 1:41:30

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:31

They don't like that. So it's nothing to do with insecurity, it's just that most men don't want that.

SPEAKER_15 1:41:35

People, yeah, people are allowed to have their preferences, but it's but it's it's penalising someone and holding someone to what their past is or their history in any type of circumstance.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:45

Yeah, which is what should happen.

SPEAKER_15 1:41:47

But it's not what should happen because why does that mean that she's now less than a child?

Pepe, Porn, And Sexual Market Value

SPEAKER_01 1:41:50

Because your past you have a certain type of though that some people won't accept someone based on the fact that they've slept with 100 people. There's nothing wrong with that. Like you you're completely out of a category for some people because of that reason. Most people, so to them, most people, you're not a person of value in their eyes. That's for most people. I get that.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:07

I wouldn't say as a human being, you know, because no, not as a human being. I'm talking about sexual market value, yeah, yeah, yeah. Relax, yeah, of course. Right, it has no, it's not not climbing debate.

SPEAKER_15 1:42:15

But they're but they're in but they're in love, but they're in love, they're literally they're getting married. Like, he sees her for her, not for what she once was or the industry that she was in, or anything like that. Like, it's like people.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:28

Yeah, but any regardless of that, your home, he can do your home, he can do uh, because I don't want to get I don't want to get shadowed. He can do whatever he likes, but what's gonna happen is men are gonna judge you for it because you're gonna opinion, it's whatever, isn't it? Yeah, but cool. I would say that your woman is a representation of you, right? So it's so man would judge him based on the partner that he's picked.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:49

But I believe in forgiveness as well. I get her point. Like, I'm not saying it don't change anything, but if someone's actually changed and it's different from somebody straight up still saying, Yeah, I'm still a porn star, I'm still this, but I get the intention of change and forgiveness, but it's still I get it, you still got a pass, but you can move from it, but it's a tricky situation there to be fair.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:07

It would just be like, okay, this is like this is the thing, a lot of people like to argue this, especially like when they're in the sex industry industry, yeah. But if a guy, right, is straight and he used to do like he used to do um escorting and he used to do it with men, I would say most women are not gonna accept that. Some might. Nah, but the point is most are not gonna accept that. But I'm saying my point is that your past definitely defines you, especially sexually. It defines on both sides.

SPEAKER_15 1:43:36

But what I'm trying to say is that that doesn't mean that she has to be held to that. That's why they are getting happily married.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:41

But why not though?

SPEAKER_15 1:43:43

So if she if she okay, but why does someone have to be held to their past?

SPEAKER_07 1:43:47

That doesn't make no sense because that's how life, that's how life works.

SPEAKER_15 1:43:51

But then that the case, but then then you're given into societal norms.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:54

So you never you know you never uh people hold hold like people's past against them.

SPEAKER_15 1:43:59

It depends on the context. If you're a murderer and these type of things and whatever, like bringing it back to what we were all talking about earlier, it's about it's like how when you come out, it's this it's not the celebrate, it's not this um you're not celebrating the fact of the crime that they've done, you're you're celebrating the fact that there's a a new chapter here, there's a new way in life, there's something that you can come out, you've come out, you've persevered a cell and come out, and now you're ready to start anew. Like you're not celebrating them going back into the same cycle or anything like that, or blah blah blah. That's why if she did probably go back um to uh whatever, but it's whatever they agree in their dynamic, but for say if she went back something like that and something that they disagreed on that he didn't want us to go back to that, and that's not something that he'd want in life, but she ended up doing that, then it's understandable why they would break up.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:38

Oh, so just to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_15 1:44:39

It's dynamics, it's dynamics that we agree as well. It depends.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:43

Did everyone judge people by the past? Could because even if they change, yeah, you have to recognise a pattern in the change from the past to determine that they've changed. Of course. So does you you've got to do that?

SPEAKER_07 1:44:53

I know, but what I'm saying is I don't know if I'm incorrect. You're trying to say I'm wrong for judging someone for their past and that we should just carry on or whatever, or you also judge people for their past.

SPEAKER_15 1:45:02

No, but I'm saying people like she shouldn't be held um in a certain but why would you want to do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:07

Someone because you've done something in your past the same thing.

SPEAKER_15 1:45:10

She's allowed, she's allowed to be a big one. Yeah, but she shouldn't own it then.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:12

I didn't say that. If you were going to be a sex worker and change and then get married, there's you should be proud of your story then if you've overcome it and then ended up in a better position. You shouldn't own your story.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:22

Definitely in a better position. Let's be honest, most porn stars are saying I want all my I want all my videos down, I want my past erased for that reason.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:29

Like they don't own it most than wait a didn't we have a cease and desist recently because of something like that similar?

SPEAKER_07 1:45:35

Um, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_08 1:45:37

Somebody making a change in their life.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:39

Oh, yeah, exactly. Exactly for the yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:44

But the problem is the content, I do get it. The content's already out there.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:48

It must be art how you go through that and then that happens and you want to change. It's not to say that it's in your face, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:54

I'm just saying that you make decisions and you have to live live by it. That's it, that's what I'm saying. So it'd be agreeable. People are gonna judge you and judge the guy that you're with based on your past, no matter what you do. And there's no point us talking and saying, Oh, well, maybe you should forget. No, you you've made your bed. You've made your bed.

SPEAKER_15 1:46:10

But this is the thing. What I'm trying to say is it's not to say that people won't judge, people will always talk, everyone will always talk, everyone will always have an opinion, everyone will always judge and what I'm trying to say is it it's not fair, like she's allowed to have an identity. No, it is fair. She's allowed to have an identity out of that. She's not she's not just this, like, you know, it's not like how I'm like um the stripper Grace Florence. I'm just Grace Florence. I am I am a person outside of it. I am a granddaughter, I look after my granddad, I'm an auntie, I travel, I do things outside.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:41

It doesn't mean that you're not too yeah, but I think people who in them kind of industries, the more the more what they promote is the sex work, so that's what they're widely known for. If you post your grandkids, which is very difficult to do with uh sex work, exposing the children. So I think that's what you're widely known for. But I think when you progress from it and change your character and start posting other things if you want to be on the internet, I think that your identity changes because social media is so fast that if you're not relevant in the week, social media is your identity still, you're right.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:14

You can't change your whole identity on social media. One week you can be, you know, out here, only fans in it up. Next week you just put a caption, you know, God first or something in the um people support your back.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:26

Yeah, yeah, they do, and I agree with that. But again, for me, I'm not really the I'm not saying people can't change, I'm saying your past defines you. Whatever you've done in your so if you bomb the I'm saying if you find you even even out it doesn't. Okay, maybe I'm using the wrong words, but I'm trying to make if you if you pass how shapes your okay, cool. If you was lazy for the for the whole of your past and you weren't trying to build and wasn't trying to make money and wasn't trying to progress, your present and your and your future is gonna be defined by the things that you've done in the past, is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_15 1:47:57

Because everything you're trying to say that paves the way, okay, but it's not your identity, it's not who you are, it's not when you write down on paper and you're filling out all of these forms when you go to the GP, you're not gonna put down your like, oh, I used to be an ex-adult film star, la la la. You're just gonna put your name.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:14

I'll show you guys. Well, it is well, it is your identity though. But it's but it's what do people know her for? Do you know who it is?

SPEAKER_15 1:48:20

No, I don't know who she is.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:21

Do you know who she is?

SPEAKER_15 1:48:22

Who is she? Who is she? She's a porn star, bro. Do you know who it is? Yeah, no, who I know who she is now, but what I'm not competent of knowing, like if I just walk past her on the street and then I just bumped into her or whatever, and she said, Oh, hi, my name's now I'm saying you don't know her now. Like, oh, she's Tia? No, I don't know. Yeah, cool thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:39

You know who she is, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:48:40

And what do you know her for? More of a B B C lister. Ballin flowers, like what do you know of her?

SPEAKER_15 1:48:45

You can be known for something, but what I'm trying to say is is that it's not your whole identity.

SPEAKER_17 1:48:52

I can't lie.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:53

Well, it's your whole it's a whole identity.

SPEAKER_17 1:48:56

She's prolific. She's not she's not a B lister in that scene. She's like an she's an A lister. Is she an A-lister? Yeah, yeah. She's an A? Yeah, yeah. I would put her on.

SPEAKER_15 1:49:05

Yeah, but what I'm trying to say, yeah, you can have look, you can have all of these things. You can do you can do all of these things, whatever, and blah blah blah. You can be the biggest in it, we can be the littlest in it. But what I'm trying to say is that she is still a separate person.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:14

Yeah, I agree with that. Who's Mia Klee?

SPEAKER_15 1:49:16

She is a she is a she's a separate person from that.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:18

Who's Mia Kale fan?

SPEAKER_15 1:49:19

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:20

No idea. You know that is why you keep looking at me like I'm guessing this is another porn star.

SPEAKER_17 1:49:27

I know who Mia Kalefa is. What's she known for? Now she's known for for getting out porn because it was good. It was bad for her. What's she known for again? Corn.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:36

Corn, corn.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:37

She had a bad contract, so while she'll still be in it.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:40

I I I would just say, especially for women in particular, when it comes to like porn and things like that, is a very big smudge. A massive smudge. It's a very, very difficult cause. There's a caveat there though.

SPEAKER_17 1:49:51

Today to our to our generation, 100%. It's always been a smudge. No, no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:56

It's been it was worse back in the day.

SPEAKER_17 1:49:57

I don't know about this generation.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:58

They'd kick you out of the village, mate. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_17 1:50:00

I don't know about this generation. I was speaking to a few people that are like in the in the naughs, in the that are born in the 20s like 2000s. They think differently, man. What do they think? They don't care.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:11

Like 10 years of change, but in the naughty year problem. Yeah. 2000. Yeah. Oh, yeah, maybe in 2000, but I would even I would I would even guess, I would even say that even if you know the most of them, the majority of them still wouldn't want that. I don't know, you know. I'm not about to sleep with you, no. I'm talking about no, no, no, I'm I know what you're talking about. I said, I don't know. So I'm saying the are you saying the it's because the society's changed.

SPEAKER_15 1:50:33

I just feel like you have a very traditional outlook on a stereotype, which makes sense in that concept. But when you're talking about like the reality of like today, there's so many people that do OF. There are so many people that do I mean that society is really changing. I've been a dancer now, I've been a dancer for eight years and counting. And I've had I've seen people come into the club and they're like, Oh yeah, I listened to this Cardi B song, or I was on TikTok and I saw this, and like they have like an they just have an expectation of something. Like it's just it's that accessible. That's what I mean. Like it's on TikTok, it's it's in your day-to-day life, it's it's your neighbour, it's whatever. Like, sex work is literally just like all around you. Not but not to say it's like on a billboard everywhere, but it's like more accepted.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:14

What I would say is that there's obviously death, I would say there's levels to it. So if you're on OnlyFans and you sell pictures, I I think that's gonna be looked at differently to if you do think that Trump, yeah. Do you understand?

SPEAKER_15 1:51:26

Well, yeah, of course, people because it's different opinions.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:29

So I'm saying her smudge is very big. You might have a little stain, which is like pictures, maybe, and people are alright with her.

SPEAKER_15 1:51:34

She's a big smudge, but she's got a big like she's not no small and I'm not saying that she doesn't, but what I'm trying to say is that doesn't make that does that that only because she's got that doesn't mean that she's not allowed to experience things like this, she's not allowed to be with someone of that calibre, she's not allowed to have a certain no, but you're trying to say, like, um, like, oh, it's like a shame on him for being with someone like that. But it's like only because it's yeah, but that's your opinion, but only because that doesn't mean that she's not entitled or he's not entitled to love someone like that, or she's not a she's not entitled or has the space of the acceptance to have love like that or someone like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:09

I didn't say she, I didn't say she couldn't.

SPEAKER_15 1:52:11

Okay, well then perfect.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:13

What I'm saying is one million percent is going to be judged. Why do you think it's on the shade, bro? Yeah, they are gonna do it's on the shade, bro, because people know that you're gonna judge him for being with it.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:22

But they judge him now, and tomorrow they're not gonna care.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:25

They're not careful. They're probably war passing.

SPEAKER_15 1:52:26

That will be next week's news.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:28

That's something that you literally scroll past, like it's he's signing up to to do. It's like that Adam. He's gonna he'll pull up at the he'll pull up at the lights here, and man will just look at you and be like, ah, and then pull up a video of her or something. Bro, I'm he's signed up to a madness. I'm telling you, it's like Adam that Adam for the city. He'll go to the club and people people will just be walking around and watching the club.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:49

Like, and it'll just be in the interview. Lean of the plug or something. Yeah, leaning the plug and that like that's what that's that's like it's people like that that have turned people's mentality into the chilled, relaxed. No, but you're you're very uproar about it, it's like no, no, but it's like it's acceptable now.

SPEAKER_17 1:53:02

You see it a lot, and like when you speak to people who are younger in age, it's definitely a lot acceptable because it's more in their face. Like the the the wildest truth that we had when we grew up was I'm in love with the stripper. That's not gonna come up.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:16

No, but I don't think it's acceptable in terms of that. Where is it acceptable?

SPEAKER_07 1:53:20

I don't know, bro. I'm I live in I live in a simulation, I don't live on this world.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:23

I'm listening, but then I'm thinking acceptable. Who's accepting that? I don't care.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:28

Go outside. I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:30

Where? They're accepted.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:31

I don't I know man are getting bullied in school right now because their sister or something does OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_15 1:53:35

So how if it's accepted, why people I think but it's not to say, right, not everyone's going to agree with it, yes. But there are people out there, and there is a change in societal norms towards sex workers. We are ex we are allowed to experience love. We can experience love and we can be very happy within that. You said you can't. No, but this is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:53

Like, that means it's accepted to have it because there's repercussions of that lifestyle. Like what you're saying, even if they have kids, it's never gonna be accepted, it's gonna easily they're gonna have a hard time. That's why I said if you're gonna be in that line of work, you gotta own it and develop the resilience to actually own it because mentally that's gonna take a toll on you, have them opinions, and you gotta equip your children for it as well. You gotta give them strength mentally and yourself. I I don't mean it's accepted, but if you want to be that unconventional person and you gotta own it, of course. Yeah, so let the videos play, like you gotta own your past and be like, yeah, that was me.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:29

But yeah, what I would say is that and I I hope that they do I I hope that they're married and they stayed together forever, but it's the likely and the numbers are gonna say that it's probably not gonna last that long. Two years, maybe three.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:42

But that's why people normally that's how it goes, but people should be about getting into that work any time.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:48

We'll tell she has her own money, she don't need it. So he'll take half of her shit like Cardi B. Yeah, so whoever makes the most gets the shit taken. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_17 1:54:54

But that's what that's it for me.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:55

So I don't think she earns more than than Pepe though.

SPEAKER_17 1:54:58

Cardiff, she she got royalties, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:00

Yeah, she can't be earning at one point.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:02

Remember, he was at Arsenal and like what 200k a week?

SPEAKER_08 1:55:05

Yeah, but that dries up after a bit in on that contract no more. Yeah, yeah, but he's still getting peas now.

SPEAKER_17 1:55:10

You need to you need to remember she in America, she's massive, you know. She's not like she ain't making 100k a week, bro. Possibly sure. She ain't making 100k a week, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:19

Her OnlyFans probably probably. I don't I mean, I don't know myself, but her OnlyFans is probably bubble.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:23

I don't believe she's making 100k a week. I don't know, man. She she she she's been built. Why the top OnlyFans girl is making what? What was it? She's I'll give you an example.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:32

But remember, she's not just a she's not just a Seville, bro.

SPEAKER_17 1:55:34

She's like she's an industry she's in there, but she she got eight eight figures just for feature on um iShow Speed, and I've got the guy, the guy Kaisen, it's uh tonight's live. Eight figures.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:46

I mean, whether it's really earns the more gets gets a shit taken, and it but the point the numbers say that it's not gonna last that long. I hope it does. I hope it does. I hope it is love, and then you know what the end of the day, yeah, if they do uh have kids and things like that, it's gonna be affected. Like and this is the what I would say for the ladies that if you are gonna do that, and that's why I'm looking into the camera to make sure like it's gonna be a smudge, people will judge you for it, and people saying it's accepted now, but it's really not a lot of people don't accept it.

Identity, Forgiveness, And Owning The Past

SPEAKER_17 1:56:11

We won't even the young our generation probably won't, and like now, even the young people are getting bullied in school now. No, I get it like right you get out of school, you get into college, you get into union, you need to be still getting bullied. I don't know, you know. But that's I'm just saying how the we'd have the conversation more with young people to understand it because there's there's a there's there's a lot more sex workers now than there was in our generation.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:34

But I'm saying for me, maybe my my there's a lot more. No, I'm saying maybe my for what acceptance is is different because if it's accepted, like being a doctor is being accepted, people ain't gonna take the piss out of you for it.

SPEAKER_17 1:56:47

100%.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:48

You know what I'm saying? So if it's accepted, why would people still be getting bullied for it?

SPEAKER_08 1:56:53

Yeah, but that's now it's still a new thing. Give it another five years.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:56

Five, ten years, we're seeing it.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:57

You most likely it'll be a good thing. Yeah, but it's not around. Give it another five years.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:03

I'd be surprised in five, ten years if you go to school and male and female still on the list, like you probably won't be there.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:09

That's probably true. Yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_17 1:57:11

No, I'm just I'm just saying, I like it. I'm I'm not saying you're not not right and you're not wrong, but like you can see the shift.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:16

I think religion will still be here, and according to Rod just acts, it's always gonna be wrongful to do that kind of work. But I get what you're saying, it shouldn't take away your identity because every religion has for forgiveness in it and change, so slowly, slowly get it, slowly changing. But in order to be forgiving, you gotta own your act.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:34

That's the whole thing. All this uh don't shame you thing. I'm telling you, there's no point doing that. You gotta own that.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:40

And like them older influences, give them some awareness because they're acting like it's the life that they live, and they're all miserable. The older ones, they're definitely miserable, and they're envious of the younger, pretty girls.

SPEAKER_17 1:57:52

We've had the conversations and we've we've seen the misery and some of them.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:56

Wow, um a lot of the big porn stars, they're saying they don't want their stuff up there no more.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:01

Yeah, so they don't want to see it no more.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:04

Not too late. Nah, no, just not content. Yeah, the internet's forever.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:07

Content is nothing you can do about it.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:09

That's why it's peak, it is peak in that sense, but yeah, you know, you made good money while it was out there. So yeah, that's it for me.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:15

And on that bum show, look to Pepe, mate. He was a bowler, to be fair.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:19

So yeah, he was a baller still. Oh, you try to say he weren't a bowler? No, he was a baller.

SPEAKER_17 1:58:24

Can't talk ball, but please don't don't.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:25

Yeah, it was a ball.

SPEAKER_17 1:58:26

He was a bowler ball, he was he was worse than he was worse than Anthony.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:29

No, he was a bowler, but no, that's that's kind of that he hear you trolling, man. He was our top bowl score two seasons in a row. Yeah, Pepe done bits still. He crazy, anyway. Should never have left, but he did bits for them still. Say you say they're never gonna win without him, but yeah. And then that bomb show. Uh so how did you think the show went?

SPEAKER_07 1:58:48

This fucking dickhead. Um I'm touched up here. I'm gonna how do you think the show went?

SPEAKER_01 1:58:55

Um, show went okay, it was good.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:57

Don't try to get all quiet about they're playing with the Vaseline and it was good.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:02

You went straight for the kill with the first topic that was different. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:06

But what was the oh the prison thing?

SPEAKER_01 1:59:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:10

Got a man and we got a man and samurai's back up.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:13

Free the people, yeah.

Wrap‑Up And Calls To Subscribe

SPEAKER_08 1:59:14

Yeah, free the gang. Free the gang. Free my man. Teach you should be free them, man. Let's stay out of there, free all of them man there.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:23

Let's be let's build and stay out of there. That's what we need to do.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:26

Free the man that's on the 30 roll, free the man that's on the death row, free the man that's on the on the quick one, free the man that's on the man that still ain't even had their charge yet, that still don't know what's happening. Free the man that's stuck in the system and why should you free them, bro?

SPEAKER_07 1:59:41

Broke the law. Anyway, how'd you think the show went?

SPEAKER_15 1:59:43

Yeah, I think it was good. It was good, nice topics, nice little mixtures, good.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:47

I was actually trying to rally up for the first topics with it. I knew you were gonna get it, the the the prison thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:52

Why?

SPEAKER_07 1:59:52

I don't know. You always talk about like the you know, you talk about these things so I thought.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:56

Do I? I've never I've never spoken about prison on a podcast.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:00

Not directly when we talk about the you just be I talk about mental health and stuff. You talked about the system and these views that's what I thought you know that would but I think the points that you said were really That's what I thought when I got in there like whatever walked into setup I actually got the arrow to point it to go back to the top for the first topic you're trying to recycle anyways um yeah we've been recording for two hours now so um if you watch the video this far it makes no sense not subscribing press the subscribe button subscribe to subscribe though that's the end of the show people free to gang