Anti-Misogyny Lessons in UK Schools! | CC Pod EP 175

Episode 175 of the Cancel Culture Podcast dives head-first into the growing push for anti-misogyny lessons in UK schools and the serious questions nobody wants to answer. The hosts break down what these lessons actually mean, how they’re being framed, and whether teaching children about misogyny is genuinely about equality or something far more ideological. The episode challenges whether schools are educating or conditioning, and asks who really benefits when complex adult social issues are introduced to kids at an early age.

The conversation expands into a wider discussion about values, responsibility, and how modern institutions handle morality. From faith and belief systems to money, power, and accountability, the hosts question whether schools should be shaping moral worldviews at all. They explore how young boys and girls may internalize guilt, blame, or confusion when messaging becomes one-sided, and whether these lessons risk creating division rather than understanding. Nothing is taken at face value, and no topic is treated as off-limits.

The discussion remains raw but grounded, focusing on real-world consequences rather than slogans. This episode isn’t about defending misogyny, it’s about questioning authority, intent, and impact. If you care about parenting, education, freedom of thought, or the future direction of UK schools, this is a conversation you can’t afford to ignore.

Transcript

Cold Open: Dating Hot Takes

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Bro, everyone's got a BBL now, bro. London's BBL doubt.

SPEAKER_04 0:03

Do you think you need anti-misogyny lessons in school?

SPEAKER_05 0:06

I swear down. I feel like they're just teaching men to be like simps.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

I like a simp.

SPEAKER_05 0:10

Oh, you like simp?

SPEAKER_01 0:10

They have to be like masculine on the outside, but when they come home, they have to be a teddy bear.

SPEAKER_05 0:14

So everyone says, but bro, 50 mil. Beat him up, bruv.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

I've slapped someone up for 50 mil. I will not date a guy that earns less than like 30k.

SPEAKER_05 0:23

So whatever you earn, he has to earn more. Yeah. I don't believe women even want equality. It's only men that date them, bro.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

I've only dated men that earn less than me.

SPEAKER_05 0:30

She's a true feminist.

SPEAKER_04 0:32

And the amount of like self-diagnosed ADHD as well. I've had like 100 on the show to be.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

I'm one of them.

SPEAKER_03 0:37

One in three young men in the US are reported to have no sex. Women don't even notice fours.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

I only notice like sevens and above. Oh my word.

SPEAKER_04 0:47

I know you like that, don't you?

unknown 0:49

I know you like that.

SPEAKER_04 0:53

Welcome back to the Count Sculture podcast. We have three lovely guests that we're gonna introduce. We will start with yourself. Name, age, what you do for a living?

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Lauren. I'm 23 and I'm a model.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

You're a model?

SPEAKER_01 1:06

I'm a model.

SPEAKER_04 1:08

Are you on bogue? Because Drake said that, remember, wasn't he? I'm just joking. How are you gonna be doing that for?

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Um, I've been doing it for two years now.

SPEAKER_04 1:18

Okay, enjoy it?

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Yeah, it's not too bad. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:21

Moving on.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Hey.

SPEAKER_04 1:23

Again in a bad mood?

SPEAKER_02 1:24

No, I'm not in a bad mood.

SPEAKER_04 1:26

Name age, what are you doing for a living?

SPEAKER_02 1:28

I'm Megan, I'm 30, and I sell metal.

SPEAKER_04 1:31

You what?

SPEAKER_02 1:31

You know this.

SPEAKER_04 1:32

Have you said this before?

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Yeah. Really? I've been in the same job for a while.

SPEAKER_04 1:36

Oh, you're like the receptionist, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:38

I do admin, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:39

Okay, yeah, I'll remember you saying. Okay. Fair enough. And then? Celso, man. Celso show in the building. Celso show. What do you mean Celso show? You say yeah, got a bug. No, but the Celso show's to brand right now, man. You're just the show, yeah. I am the show. All right. And you obviously you've been on Sinners recently, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:55

Yeah, yeah, I've done Sinners last night. Yeah, big up Sinners, man. Dangerous show. That show was mad. Dangerous show. Listen, when you're watching it, you need to know. Listen, for anyone that's watched Sinners, you understand what's going on in that room is not what you can see on camera.

SPEAKER_04 2:09

Yeah, it's bad. It's bad. Yeah, when you go in that room, it's like um you're not in Dragon Ball Z, you know the time, the gravity where everything just feels heavy.

SPEAKER_05 2:17

Yeah, yeah, it gets mad in there still.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Yeah, that's why I try to avoid it.

SPEAKER_05 2:21

Listen, there was man in there with badlies on in the club. I didn't see the whole thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

Oh, listen.

SPEAKER_05 2:27

Well, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:27

Shout out to this anyway.

SPEAKER_05 2:28

Pick them up, man.

Schools, Misogyny, And “Equality” Debated

SPEAKER_04 2:29

We're gonna get into the topics, we're just gonna get straight into it. Yeah, so Key said to me, obviously, he triggered me. Well, he likes to trigger me. So he's saying to me that, you know, they're trying to, I think what he's saying is that they are anti what's the word for it? Misogyny lessons. Is that what they're trying to say in schools, right? And that was on the news recently, you said, right?

unknown 2:48

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

That's actually crazy. But I would like to get everyone's opinion. First off, does everyone know what misogyny is? Because I feel like that's like no, I don't know what it means. You don't know what does misogyny mean? So the definition is the hatred of women. That's the definition of it.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

So if you're a misogynist, you hate women, yeah, basically, yeah. So they're like, they don't like them like sexually.

SPEAKER_04 3:08

But I don't I I don't really sure. This is Joey because it gets like the definition just says the contempt and hatred of women. That that's that's what it is, right? So they're gonna teach anti that in school. Now, obviously, it's been a long time since I've been to school. I don't know. I never really seen things like that in school. No, maybe it's a bit different, I don't know. Um, we'll get the lady. What do you what do the ladies think? Do you think you need anti-misogyny lessons in school? Like, what do you think? Anyone can go by the way.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Um, well, I think it should be common sense. Like, people should be treating women you know, how women want to be treated. Um how's that? Um, I think they should have equal rights to men, of course. But um I don't think anyone's better than anyone.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

Um the thing is about with me, right? And it's even the same now. I don't really know a time, right, of where we wasn't told how to treat women. Like that's that's like literally everywhere. I don't know why we need that in school. Isn't that not everywhere? If anything, the other way around, not to be taught like women are not taught how to treat men. This is men and men are taught how to treat women all the time. We hear it all the time. I don't know. Hold the door open, open the car door, pay for the we know, we know the rules.

SPEAKER_05 4:23

This was the question I was gonna like. My question would be like, Do we not are we not meant to treat women the same as men?

SPEAKER_04 4:29

No, in my opinion, as a human, yes, obviously.

SPEAKER_05 4:33

Yeah, like uh because it it's equal rights everyone's fighting for, isn't it? So do we not treat people the same? Do we not treat people equally? We should.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Yeah, but you've got feminists nowadays that come in and they're like, oh, we're better than men, men like women rule the world. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:48

Do you think that?

SPEAKER_01 4:49

No.

SPEAKER_04 4:49

This this is the thing. This equality, all right. Equality is never ever gonna be a thing, it's never gonna happen. It's impossible, it's literally impossible. So there's nobody even talking about trying to get equality. Plus, I don't believe women even want equality. I'm not, you know, I don't know. You not tell me, I don't believe you do.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

I want a man to pay for my date.

SPEAKER_04 5:07

There you go. So you don't want equality, right? And this is the but by the way, there's nothing wrong with that. So like and what about you? You go like if you went on a date, you're going 50-50. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

50-50, yeah. Really time, yeah. On the first date, yeah, on the first date.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:24

Nah, you're a feminist then. Oh no, mate. Feminists are cheaper dates, bruv. Nah, they are. Feminists are cheaper dates. See, I love it. I love when they say they're feminist, because for for sure I'm going half, I'm going 50-50. And it's half the money. Why would I why am I gonna fight you to pay more money? That's crazy. Why are you gonna do that? Yeah, pay 50, that's fine.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

No, I want you to pick me up, plan the day, pay for the first day. If I want to offer, I will offer. That's up to me.

SPEAKER_04 5:54

Some game for you, like ladies. You get very big favour for offering. Yeah? So if you just look, I'm never, I will never let them pay. But if you offer, I do like that. I'm not gonna, it's not gonna happen, but it's good. So that's some game for you, like kid though. Offer. If it does make you pay, I don't know. I can't I can't maybe maybe even lose in equal rights, I don't know. Um, but it's funny that you because you um you touched on that you want equal um rights in the law, but I feel like that's not the is that not the case now? I don't get I feel like the law is quite if again, if anything, men get like longer sentences for the same crime. So if anything, it's the other way around, but it's not equal, so that's a bit crazy.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

I mean, is it I I think it's far from equal. Yeah, far equally like in the women's side, like women get a lot, like you've got get away with everything.

SPEAKER_06 6:44

Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_05 6:45

Being a woman's like a touch, bro. Like being a man's hard, yeah, it's very hard. Yeah, like no, now we're getting taught how to like we got we're being taught in school, treat them better than you, treat them better than your friends. That's mad to me.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

And I'm trying to be as I'm trying to be a little bit more political now, right? Because I used to be a bit crazy before saying mad things, but I'm gonna ask again because you you don't want equality, you're saying you do, right? Alright, so like because I always say this as and I've said it a lot of times. So what like how equal are we talking? Like, are we just talking about relationship or are you just talking about the law? Like, you like let's let's focus on the relationship side. Like, how equal are we talking? Like if there's five shopping, like six shopping bags, are we are we carrying three each? Like, how's it are you what how's it go?

SPEAKER_01 7:34

See, I'm not m materialistic at all.

SPEAKER_04 7:36

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Like, if I go on a date, it also depends on the date. Like, if it's a guy that I'm not really interested in, I'm gonna go 50-50 because there's not gonna be a second date.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

Yeah, but isn't isn't that more incentive to making pay then? Yeah, no, I mean see, she gets it. Like, this is the thing, this is the thing, right? I I do think that you know women finesse men a lot, especially when it comes to dating and things, right? But I think it's up to the man to not get finessed. So if you get finessed, I'd just say it's your fault, like yeah, yeah. Because I don't think that you're in you have to pay. Well, if if you don't think she's interested, then just pay half, say 50-50. You know what I'm saying? You don't think it's the guys like uh to make sure you don't get finessed?

SPEAKER_05 8:21

Because I I think see this is where it gets mad now because like a girl that's willing to pay to go out of you, she's not gonna finesse you, is she?

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Nah, she's not, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:29

But if you're willing to pay as a man, then which we're talking to because this is the anti. What's the opposite of misogynist thing?

SPEAKER_04 8:36

Um uh masandry. Seriously, yeah. It's mad how you don't know that, any no one knows that there's actually a word to catch it's masandry, the hatred of men. Oh, which I was I would have swear so bad. That's all the time.

SPEAKER_05 8:49

We can fact check it. It's actually crazy that no one knows the opposite, yeah. So right, so if you you've been taught in massandry to pay for women, I swear down that. I feel like they're just teaching men to be like simps. Yeah, like it's been we're being taught to be taken advantage of like better. It's mad. But make it like the feminists done this, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

They did.

SPEAKER_05 9:08

Feminists went to the start them lessons, yeah. Start teaching them from young to give all your money to women to impress them. Why do I that means you don't hate them? Yeah, it's crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:20

What work for women again? I don't believe in equality. And this is the thing, okay. Let me ask you, because this is where it gets a bit like techie. Do you think there's a specific way you should treat a lady, or is it just everyone's treated the same? She knows the answer, but she's gonna contradict herself by answering any. Come on, you know the answer.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Well, sorry, can you repeat the question?

SPEAKER_04 9:47

So, do you think there's a specific way men should treat women, or is it just we're all equal? Like everyone's treated the same. So, like will you hold the door open for a guy?

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Yeah, if I didn't know the guy.

SPEAKER_04 9:57

Alright, if you're like cold and it's raining, like I don't have my jacket, you can give me your jacket.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

I'd offer. She would never offer. She would never offer.

SPEAKER_04 10:08

She'd offer, but she really wouldn't want to do.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

No, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 10:11

And and this is the thing, these are the things that I actually believe. Like, I, as the man, I am willing to suffer, right? If you're comfortable, I'm happy with that, that's fine. No problem. But this is why I don't believe we're equal.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

But yeah, but this is the thing. You're willing to suffer, or have you been programmed and trained to suffer? Because this is what they're doing in school now. They're programming and training kids from young suffer for the sake of women's comfortability.

SPEAKER_04 10:35

But this is this is the caveat, right? I'm only gonna do that for a woman who actually appreciates me. I'm not gonna do it for anybody. Do you understand? So it's like, I'm doing it, but I'm only gonna do it for the ones that are wary of doing that.

SPEAKER_05 10:48

But if you got taught that from school, that this is how you have to be, but otherwise, you're a bad person.

SPEAKER_04 10:56

Yeah, but the difference is that that what that class would be is basically saying that no matter how the woman treats you, you're meant to suffer.

SPEAKER_05 11:04

I don't I don't agree with that. I think I think it's evil still. I'm saying I think it's an evil lesson. Yeah, it's an evil lesson.

SPEAKER_04 11:10

Like it's an evil lesson. And you know what the funniest thing about it as well is that they're teaching the teaching the men to be how the women don't want them to be anyway. This is I don't know because they don't want you to be a simp. They'll take advantage of you, but they don't want you to be a simp. They want you to be kind of like dominant in a way, and you know, all right.

SPEAKER_05 11:29

So you don't want it to be a pushback. Oh, are we ready for the next in her head?

SPEAKER_04 11:33

Let me go. Let me talk. You don't want like a dominant man. No?

SPEAKER_01 11:37

I don't know. I like a simp.

SPEAKER_04 11:39

Oh, you like simp?

SPEAKER_01 11:40

I like a simp, but at home, they have to be like masculine on the outside, but when they come home, they have to be a teddy bear.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

Oh, so you want you don't you want something that doesn't exist, okay then.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:50

Because you know, like it's very nut though, you know, because it's very difficult to do what you're saying. So like it's difficult to be if you got enough personality, right? You can't be a dominant personality and then just turn it off. Do you understand?

SPEAKER_01 12:06

It could be a front in front of like your friends, it could be, but then you just you're just you're not dominant.

SPEAKER_04 12:11

This is mental health.

unknown 12:12

Wait, wait. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

Mental health. You know what it is? I can as I'm talking to you, like, because this is the thing, and I don't even blame the women really. There's they have been programmed. The men also, the men and the and the women have been programmed, like you, you've been told your whole life now, and even I've heard it more like we're all equal. But in practice, it's we're not.

SPEAKER_05 12:36

No, do you know what is it? Practically, we're not like women have been told, like, they've been programmed to two different programs at the same time. Because they've been told, like, from one side of like the hemisphere, you are all equal, but also you've been told from like babies, like, you're a princess, and a man's meant to slay a dragon and save you, and you're meant to just sit there and look pretty, and then you're a princess. But on the other side, you're not a princess, you're a warrior princess. Do you get what I mean? You kill the dragons yourself, and now you have this state of affairs where it's like, I want a man who's big and strong, but I also don't want the man to be big and strong because I need to be big and strong, and it's like mental health.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

No, what they really what I mean that is what they want is, and correct me if I'm wrong, because you kind of just described it now. They want a big, dominant, strong man that doesn't take shit from no one, but also listens to them and does everything that they say. Yeah, you see how that that can't exist. You understand what I'm trying to say? Like, you see how that is just impossible. You're either gonna get a pushover or you're not, and that's it. Key wants to apologies.

Simps, Dominance, And Dating Dynamics

SPEAKER_03 13:44

Um just have to correct you a little bit. This is why you got fetishes. So, you know the guys who like are like in the boardrooms doing all that boardroom stuff, and then they go to their mistress and start to do weird stuff. So that's that's switching it on enough in terms of like being a dominant and then being a bit of a it's an act, though it's not actually turning it off. Yeah, yeah. I I would I would say it's quite hard to do that in a boardroom when you when you've got a natural dominant person and and you succeed over them. That will then state that that dominant person isn't actually naturally dominant, more dominant than the person who switches it on enough. So it's quite difficult to determine switching it on enough or it being fake. See, but that just means that they're not dominant, just pretending to be.

SPEAKER_04 14:30

No, and then when they go to the mistress, that's actually how they are.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

No, so they probably are naturally they probably are naturally submissive, but they they they can also be naturally dominant or they're acting dominant.

SPEAKER_04 14:40

And let's be real, I've had I've had only fans girls come on and mana asking them for farts in the bag. So I can't really I can't really go off them. And that's what I'm saying, but you jump in the zone. We we we don't know who the man there, them and they're buying like backwater and that's it's like but we don't know who they are, bruv.

SPEAKER_05 14:56

They're walking among us.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

Oh no, do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Like we don't we we actually don't know who they are, yeah. The mistresses do, and exactly.

SPEAKER_04 15:05

So you if you want to find out you need to go to the mistress and but this is the thing now, the mistresses are not dating them guys, they're just taking them guys. Well, apparently they are you I don't believe she wants she wants something that doesn't exist. They do who the the fake guys that you said that did Yeah, but that no but they're pretending to be dominant, they're not, but they're do they they're doing it very well because they're quite successful, isn't it? So I don't know, mate. When they're in the listen, uh every time people come on the show and that when someone's tires with that they're in a relationship, and I I hear the way they talk about their relationship, I tell them I already know you wear the trousers. I already know, I tell them, and they're like, Yeah, like I already know because I can tell by how they're talking that you dominate your man.

SPEAKER_05 15:44

Maybe, maybe they think they dominate their man, but they're actually deciding. Oh, yeah, it's that is like see, see, that's a whole different thing. You understand? That's a real thing. Because a lot of them don't know that's they're not even their man. That they're deciding that's not their man, yeah. A lot of them think it's their man because it's it's your man, but it's not only your man. That's a very that's true.

SPEAKER_04 16:05

Yeah, so you maybe you decide to, yeah, because news flash, and I'm sure you both know this anyway. Like, men will do anything to get sex, so they will pretend for you to be most men, most men. Most men, anything, man, most men will do anything to get sex, but yeah, oh if all mates and men do some things.

SPEAKER_05 16:26

This is upn't where you from London.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

Yep, the London man are the worst, bro. The man there out there, like the London man are out there buying bags for jokes, bro. And and and who told you this is I'm seeing it. Don't believe the TV, bro. Yo, why the rappers are then? They're rich, they're rich. That's like me by me and you buy a KFC. That's it's for jokes. So what are you saying? What what what is what's the difference between boomer and London, bro? Because this, like, what you trying to say that like London don't simp on women?

SPEAKER_05 16:55

Um, you got me, James. There's a lot of like, there's a lot of money up here as well, but there's a lot of things and a lot of money in London. So like it's very easy to flex in London. Like, if you've got a bit of money, it's like you could like let's go get something to eat at a restaurant at 4am on a Wednesday. But that's simple in West End. No, but like, man named up doing stuff. Do you remember London's fast life, so everything's quick. So what like me and my friend had this conversation the other day. Like, what man will do on a normal day by myself, if I bring a girl to do that with, it it's she might find it exciting. Do you get what I mean? So it's not that man are doing anything, it's that girls are easily impressed in London because it's London.

SPEAKER_04 17:38

Yeah, but what's the end goal of taking that girl for dinner?

SPEAKER_05 17:42

Depends on what kind of man you are. See me, sometimes I just don't being alone.

SPEAKER_04 17:45

Most men.

SPEAKER_05 17:46

No, I'd just I wouldn't say most man, I'd say thirsty. Like, there's there's a remember, there's a lot of men that are doing this thing. Like, there's a lot of men that are that get girls. There's a lot of men that get a lot of attention from girls. This is the thing. And their men ain't doing impression trying to impress girls. Their men are naturally impressive.

SPEAKER_04 18:01

There's certain guys, right? And I can even put numbers to this, so that's how I know it's not everyone. Right.

SPEAKER_05 18:05

Where do you get these numbers from?

SPEAKER_04 18:06

I'm gonna tell you the statistic now. So the statistic is, right? And this is how so there's certain guys that have women, but they're that get a lot of women, they're the minority, they're not the majority, right? Two-thirds of men are sexless or are virgins. So two-thirds of men, yeah, have not had sex in a year, or and are virgins. But between the ages of 18 and I think it's uh 30. So that's two thirds of that's a real fact check that. It's probably to be honest with you, it's probably got worse now. It's got worse. It's got worse, isn't it? Because of Instagram, it's got worse. And I've having hate. Yeah, it's got worse. And this is bro, I know it's getting worse here because literally, if I go through my block list now, yeah, I'll go through and literally, if I'm like just scrolling, and I don't do it after, but when I am scrolling, I'll see like an OnlyFans girl, and I know it's blatantly just trying to get people to their OnlyFans. I just blocked them because I'm just kind of sick of seeing it. But I know bear man are like falling for them.

SPEAKER_05 19:05

But I always do I have this issue, the idea in my head that them men are like these nerds, like these proper like guys with no social like you know the guys that couldn't play football in school.

SPEAKER_04 19:19

Okay, cool. But let me ask you a question then. I hear you, I do hear ya. Okay, do you have any friends, nerds as friends? No, no, so is there anyone in your friend group that just don't get gal? No.

unknown 19:30

Alright, fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 19:32

Because there's always like one or two in the group. No, man. Yeah? Everyone's just yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:36

No, everyone, everyone's congratulations, every bit cool. They're in the one third. Yeah, don't get me wrong. Like, some men get more gal or get more attention, but I'm from a like my group of friends are like very birds of a feather, innit? You know what I mean? Like my group of friends are everyone's got something going for them that will make them attractive to someone. They've been the one third. Yeah. And a lot, and a lot of the men that I married in like in long term relationships. As well, so they don't even need to get oh, here we go. Yeah, I'm saying what's this? Nearly one in three young men in the U. Remember, the USA is mad. No, no, no, but where I'm in the USA.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

Come on, let's be able to do that. Sorry, I couldn't I couldn't fact check the UK one, yeah, because it's not current. So this is the most current one, and I'm just quote making sure you understand I'm quoting Bloomington, so you can do your own research with this. It's um Debbie Herbendick, who's a professor of sexual reproductive health. Um, she goes to a school of public health. This is her research. I'm pretty sure she gets her peer reviews and things of that nature. Do your research. But she's saying one in three young men in the US are reported to have no sex. The study does have its findings, you can just find out the rest.

SPEAKER_05 20:43

That's mad. It's a lot. One in three, but one in three is still not a lot, one in three is still the minority.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

No, no, but the I think this is the thing. The UK one is because it puts the category into virgins altogether and not having no sex within the last year. Do you know what I'm saying? You know, it's mad that's just not that's no urgents.

SPEAKER_05 21:02

It's mad for me to even think that like there's virgins still.

SPEAKER_04 21:05

No, there is let's think about it. Everyone's playing. Let's go to a safe space. I can even get the women involved in this now. Safe space. Let's think about it while she's like, Couldn't get me involved. Because I know, yeah. When I'm driving, when I'm like just walking down the street, right? The average guy, like you have you been walking today, like you've been walking, you went to a shopping centre today, or like something like that. Okay, look. Can you remember any guy you've seen? No, you probably walked about past a thousand NPCs, bruv. You probably walked about past like a thousand men and you don't remember any of them. Now that's most women. Most women don't see no men, they're all invisible, they're just faceless NPCs, bro. Yeah, it's the man named GTA just walking around in the. Did you go to a shop?

SPEAKER_01 21:50

No.

SPEAKER_04 21:51

Oh, you ain't mean to you go to a shop?

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:52

Any men serve you? Don't know because they're just invisible. It's just a it's just a floating, it's a floating book, bro. This is what I'm trying to say. That is magic. I asked these questions. And this is I this is how I figure it out because like, and this is not anything bad to you. That's I I would say most men are not even probably where people get women. I'm gonna be honest with you, like the the the lazy, they don't really want to put no work in. I I understand the pool of men is very, very small. Like, I'm getting that now. It's very small. No, one man, one when thinking about this now, you know, it's true, you know. Do you remember any? I know obviously you're not looking for men, but you I can't like when I when I'm walking and I see certain men, I'm like, yo, you don't get no gal, bro. I know I know what they did.

SPEAKER_05 22:30

There was a guy in my hotel today. Whoa, no, no, no, no, no. When I've come out of my room, I've got I've got to the elevators, yeah, and he's we're at the elevator at the same time. Yeah, and I looked at him and I went, looking fly. He's like, You two. There was a mutual understanding of course and respect. He had on the peaky blinders' hat, he's like going to work, do his beard was sharp, greyed out, you know what I mean? Looking like a wizard. I was you know, like that George Clooney kind of he looked sharp. I was like, Yeah, da da da. I noticed him. I didn't notice no one in the like ages.

SPEAKER_04 23:03

And you probably walked about probably a thousand as well. Yeah, it's mad. But what we notice women more than they notice uh men, to be fair. Do you reckon? Because I feel like a lot of girls don't get attention as well. Nah, they do, bro. Man will take a five upwards. Come on. Man will take a five upwards. Yeah, but that's we'll take a man will take a four attention though. Now, but if to know women don't even notice fours, that's what I'm trying to say. Like one to four don't exist five is a scrape. Five is a scrape. That's why it's one in three. Yeah. Because if you're under five, I'm gonna do you I would ask them. She walked past a thousand men today, she'd noticed none.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

I was on a mission.

SPEAKER_05 23:39

Okay, you were trying to notice then. When are you not on a mission? Are you ever just floating and noticing the men?

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Now and again. Yeah? If they're fit.

SPEAKER_05 23:50

Oh, wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_06 23:51

White night.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

I got Keith's coming in. White night in comedy. Yeah, apologies. So just give an example when you've made the effort to actually notice a gentleman then.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

But I work with models every day. So I have to notice.

SPEAKER_04 24:08

Come on. How are you gonna use that as a sample? They models. They're like the top they're like the top.

SPEAKER_05 24:13

That means that means she's not even seeing it. The sevens are above. That means she's not even seeing one to six. Yeah, you're not having it.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

You're always on a mission to go to the models.

SPEAKER_04 24:21

Yeah, but the point is the models are gonna be the most attractive men. Yeah, you know how she's gonna notice them.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

Yeah, you know how not helping the cause.

SPEAKER_04 24:30

Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

She put the hammer in the coffee. Yeah, you did.

SPEAKER_04 24:33

This is the thing.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

Again, I'm gonna defend the women because the pool of guys are very small and shit, quite frankly. I'm gonna be honest. We've got another guest. Let's get her opinion, please.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

I only noticed like sevens and above. Oh my god. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 24:47

You just shot me in my head.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

There you go. But that's the truth, though. It is. Um if I'm walking past like a general average guy, why would I look twice at him? If he's general average.

SPEAKER_05 24:56

Yeah, you're just vanilla. Like it's like walking past a shop with vanilla cake everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Well, you need a bit of style. You want to see some fans. Style and the clothes. It's the clothes.

SPEAKER_05 25:04

This is the thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

It's the clothes.

SPEAKER_05 25:05

This is where you can count it. Their men are dangerous now, you know. Now I get it. Now I understand. We need the lessons. Because them man, them men are going through life never being acknowledged. Yeah, that's great. And then flipping out. So the anger, yeah, that is true.

SPEAKER_04 25:18

The anger is getting mad still. And that's why OnlyFans is a thing as well.

SPEAKER_05 25:21

Like, because you know, you have to just pay for them thing there, because you get OnlyFans basically, just extract their money and make them feel like they get in love. It's a fair exchange.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

It's it's not though, you know, because it's not like you can tell it's not, it's not real.

SPEAKER_05 25:38

Their men are still paying, though.

SPEAKER_04 25:39

They're shelling out.

SPEAKER_05 25:40

Do you know how much money only fans are making, right?

SPEAKER_04 25:43

They're shelling out, you know. Most of them are not making much.

SPEAKER_05 25:46

What listen? There's a girl that goes to my gym, yeah. Bro, I came out of the gym, I see this girl, and obviously, like she got work done. I've seen the BBL. I've seen it. Yeah, yeah, that's it. I've looked at her, I'm like, okay, I was gonna approach her. Then I've seen her jump in a URI in a private place. Yeah! And I'm like, my boy's like, yo, yeah, she's a she's she's an OnlyFan still, she's killing it.

SPEAKER_04 26:03

Yeah, but if she's got a BBL at that, of course she's gonna be.

OnlyFans, Attention, And Natural vs Enhanced

SPEAKER_05 26:05

Bro, everyone's got a BBL now, bro. There's a lot of Birmingham London. London's BBL'd out. It's real cold over there, bro. Like, it's dark, bro. Like, it's I remember I was talking to a girl the other day, and she was like, listen, I've got money, but I just ain't got a BBL. Because I don't want to get one. And I was like, what are you talking about? She's like, yeah, because you know if you ain't got a BBL, girls look at you like you're broke. I never knew this was girl mentality. Yeah, they are they are a bit in their own world, in there a bit. Yeah, she's like, if you the girls literally said to me, if you ain't got a BBL, other girls look at you like you ain't got money. What do you think in London? Maybe I don't know if it's different up here. What do you laughing?

SPEAKER_04 26:40

You think you need a BBL?

SPEAKER_02 26:41

No, my ass is quite good.

SPEAKER_04 26:47

Uh okay, are you?

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Yeah, no, I I don't need any work done.

SPEAKER_04 26:51

No, you're okay. Yeah, I'm not sure. So I'm okay. Whether you need work done or not, do you think that is that a thing in girl world, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:57

I think if you if I had enough money and there was not gonna be like complications, I think most women would get something done. I think money puts obviously a big point on it. And like with BBLs, like to me, I know that there's like a lot of repercussions after a BBL. Boob job on the other side, people do boob jobs like every like I know they do BBLs, but like boob jobs are a lot more common. Yeah, they're more common. There's not as many complications with a boob job.

SPEAKER_04 27:24

But the mad thing is that I think you I think you know what it is, I think it's the attention, right? Because obviously you like love attention, right? But I think you have you have trouble like separating just normal like attention from men who just want to sleep with you and like men who actually are interested. Yeah, I feel like you you have a very ish big issue separating that.

SPEAKER_05 27:48

Girls are oblivious to yeah, you you just all attention they don't even now you're speaking Chinese, they don't know that Bro, you think I'm playing? No, they don't no disrespect, but I mean it in a way bro, I've seen it. Girls have no idea that attention you might not actually like me. What do you mean you just want to be like yeah, it's treatment? What do you mean? You like me? Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, just for the bum.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

I just saw your bum like, yeah, not me, not me, but guys.

SPEAKER_05 28:15

I'm not like that. Would you bro? Every time you've seen a big set of jugs walk past you, look, I won't do that. The way that he's lips started trembling. I don't do that. His lips started trembling. I'm a gentleman.

SPEAKER_04 28:29

Nay, women are equal, you mean? Listen, how this is why they started the misogyny classes for people like you, me making those comments. No, listen, my what I'm saying see women as objects.

SPEAKER_05 28:39

This is educational. They objects the human being. No, no, no, no, no, no. Right. So, okay, okay, let's do it this way. Let's let's spin it. If you objectify yourself with uh physical enhancements, so lips, lashes, boob jobs, BBLs, you like you you make yourself attractive physically, that's what you're selling. Yeah, of course. Yeah, you're selling that look, um look at me. Yeah, but now you're speaking Chinese. What do you mean? They don't understand what you're talking about. Let's ask attention. You're just asking if if you make yourself look pretty, what do you expect to get from that?

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Yeah, attention.

SPEAKER_05 29:14

Yeah, they know they know it's attention.

SPEAKER_04 29:16

You can't ask her though, because she's like she's based on that. Let's ask because she always she's always based on.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Well, I don't think I need to change anything about myself. I think men, certain types of men prefer natural rather than plastic women.

SPEAKER_04 29:33

I'm gonna give you some more game. So, do you remember the first game I gave you? Do you want to know what you're gonna do? Anyway, that's game number one. Game number two is wow, I would say 95% of men want natural women. Now, the unnatural women will get a lot of attention. But for the most part, if you ask a man, he probably wants a natural woman. I think I agree with that 100%. So they will so and this is why I'm saying they have an issue separating the attention because they see the BBL girls and they they get they do get a lot of attention, they're high accents. So I get it, but they ain't they ain't trying to wipe them ones off. I'll be honest with you, most of the time. I'm not saying some won't, obviously. Some slip through, but for the most part, if you ask them, guys want like natural.

SPEAKER_05 30:21

I think it's because I think it's because um girls don't realise that guys don't like girls that crave attention. Yeah. So it's like it's it's not even about natural or not, it's like I don't want a girl that is trying to get male attention.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

But how do you get the man's attention in the first place?

SPEAKER_05 30:39

Be that naturally, if you can get attention naturally, you're the one. If you can naturally like if you like can get my attention first thing in the morning with no makeup done and not trying in like not even dressed up, you are the best girl in the world.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

But how do you get to that point?

SPEAKER_05 30:55

You gotta like that you're in bed, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

Normally like three shots these days, well you might be thought, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Like, if I've not like done myself up and gone out and like made myself look good, I'm not getting that initial attention.

Red Pill, Tate, And Driving Stereotypes

SPEAKER_04 31:09

Yeah, but what's because there's classy and then there's the other side. Yeah, I get that. So I'm saying like most men, like to sleep with, we don't care, yeah. But to take seriously, classy is the way. That's just me. That's just me giving you a bit of game. That's fun. There's there's the girl that walks in with a nice dress is elegant, and everyone's trying to talk to her. And and as well, it affects the way that that that guys will approach you as well. I'm gonna be honest with you. I know it's a lot of women I've had on the show, they don't can't actually fathom that. It does affect the way that guys will approach you. It really does, I'll be honest. The elegant ones get their you're right, Missy, excuse me, miss. You know, the line stands for you, and then that kind of approach, and then you get the my yo, my size. There's two two different things, there's two different ways to do it. Yeah, what obviously, yeah. Well, what what's next anyway? Um, Key. Moving on to because what we were talking about red pill and should we teach it in the class? I think I don't even know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 32:03

What the what is red pill?

SPEAKER_04 32:04

So the red pill is like, well, they say it's the truth, but the red pill is more related to like dating and not getting used by women and etc. You know, Tate's that kind of guy, even though he doesn't say he's a red pull guy, to be fair. But Tate, um, on Tate, quickly, what do you think about Tate, ladies?

SPEAKER_02 32:19

I don't care about him.

unknown 32:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

Like, I don't follow anything that he speaks about, anything he does. I just yeah, oblivious. And you saw?

SPEAKER_01 32:28

See, I feel like sometimes he does speak some truth. However, I feel it's like it's very over exaggerated to the point where it's like rage baiting. Like you're getting clout just for exaggerating the truth.

SPEAKER_04 32:42

Yeah, he does that. Um I mean, one of the things he says is that women can't drive. Do you agree with that?

SPEAKER_01 32:48

No, I know no, I don't drive, but I wouldn't trust myself on the road.

SPEAKER_05 32:55

So he's right, though.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Well, well, no, yeah, like no man would ever say that. No, no, exactly, because men are like obsessed with their cars, but like I know some women that drive way better than some men.

SPEAKER_04 33:07

That is not, I don't know. Listen, I'm there's always gonna be exceptions to the rule.

SPEAKER_05 33:12

Yeah, you know, you know any woman that drives better than you. I'm not talking about me that's a good one. I asked you a question.

SPEAKER_04 33:17

I asked you a question. I literally, and this is the thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna say the reasons why I believe that they don't drive as good, right? Because I see it and I've tested it. Women are very jumpy. Like, okay, let me ask you, because maybe I'm living in a simulation. Let me ask you then for the same space. Have you ever had like just any female in your house? Yeah, this can be a family, a relative, and you've just walked into the room and have they just jumped at the skin. Like that happens. Listen, I'm just literally entering the room.

SPEAKER_05 33:52

I'm saying you know I'm in the house. I'm gonna take my mum out of a heart attack. Yeah, but my mum is the worst. I walk in the room and she turns up.

unknown 34:00

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 34:01

I didn't know you were in there. They live in Laland, you know. It's that's what it is, and then when it's like there's someone else in the room, like back to reality.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

I've just gone to the point now where I'm just announcing when I'm walking into the room now. And this isn't just like well, this is a multiple of women that you just walk in, it's just so and I think that that goes to the car, like the very jumpy in the car, like you know, something like swerves out, the kind of like jumpy, and I think that that kind of like adds to the reason why. Do you know? You don't think it's if anything's cool? I'm blessed, I've been in the car, no problems, I'm not scared. But if it's if you gotta react to something, that's where the issues come up.

SPEAKER_05 34:33

Do you know? Do you know what I think is a part of a big part of it as well? Like, don't get mad. Don't get mad, do you need the safe space? So you see, like where you lot are a bit more emotional than us. Yeah, so she won't get mad at that. Right on the road, that pushes logic out the window sometimes. So you see, like when there's like because there's a road code, like there's rules to the road, like there is actually a code in how things are meant to be done, like give way lines on the roundabout right away. I have seen women fly through those codes because they don't care in that moment. Do you get what I'm saying? And then and then look at you and argue with you because you pissed them off, not knowing that, bro, like there's rules to this thing. Yeah, do you get what I'm saying? That's something I've never seen with men. I've never seen a man I've done men mentioned, I've seen men do a madness, though. I've seen men do madness, it's more of a racing thing, though. Right, but but men are consciously doing it. Okay, I've seen unconsciously up the whole road code and then be like, Wait, what? Do you get what I'm saying? And I'm like, bro, there's rules to Okay, so I see the point.

SPEAKER_04 35:41

So when he's saying that when a guy's doing it, right, is it's like obviously he's racing, he knows what he's doing. I just got a boss that light now because we're racing, yeah, and then it's like what they're just like whatever, fuck it.

SPEAKER_05 35:51

Yeah, I'm here. But have you seen that video? Have you seen have you not seen that video of the of the crash? Yeah, and a girl flew. So a guy's driving down the road, and a girl's flight flown over the givea lines into his car, spanned his whole car off. Yeah, he's but he's got the dash cam and he's like, okay, he's chilled, just trying to compose himself. She's jumped out of her car, ran over to him, like, what are you doing? And everyone in the comments is like, This is that's crazy. This is Tate stuff. This is what he means.

SPEAKER_04 36:20

I mean, you see some videos where you're like, okay, we understand what you're trying to say, but I do agree with it. I think he's a rage bait. He like he's he's he but he's doing it for a reason. That's that's how you get followed.

SPEAKER_05 36:29

It's like master marketing, though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 36:30

Yeah, that's how you get followed.

SPEAKER_05 36:31

Learn from Kanye, isn't it? Yeah, basically. Best marketer in the world. Yeah, what definitely? How much is Yuji worth now? A lot, billion. That's what I'm saying. I know the okay. How much is Tate worth now? A lot. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, okay. Maybe what he's doing is working. Fair point.

SPEAKER_04 36:46

We were out studying, we should start rage baiting. Um, all right, but uh the tape fight quickly on it. Um, have you done if you've seen the build up to it? Yeah, too long. Um, who do you who you got to win?

SPEAKER_05 36:55

Tate.

unknown 36:55

Yeah, I think.

Celebrity Boxing Odds And Outrage

SPEAKER_05 36:56

Yeah, I don't think I don't think Tate's in a position right now in life where he's trying to lose anything. Yeah, he's doing really well. He's had a good run.

SPEAKER_04 37:01

It's devastating if he loses, though, and that's the thing, because I don't think he's gonna but you know, I think he can switch it back around.

SPEAKER_05 37:05

Like it's Tate, bruv. He's his marketing team's sick.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_05 37:08

AJ, fight, bruv. I see that fight there. If AJ I support AJ 100%. He's that's the man them. Do you get what I'm saying? He's meant to just destroy him. Anything apart from that, we're gonna have to have words.

SPEAKER_04 37:23

Yeah, and I feel like that's what's gonna happen, you know.

SPEAKER_05 37:25

What he's gonna Jake might win.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

No, Jake's not gonna win, but I think he goes to points. Never, but it's fixed, though, I think. Bro, if you don't knock him out in two third round, clean that in not tight in Garney in like second, didn't he? Yeah, but bro, like JK's supposed to meet eight bills to beat the first round.

SPEAKER_05 37:43

He's not meant to still. He's not meant to. Do you see? But Jake B try. Brother, it's just it's just fighting a child. Like Jake's not meant to land a punch because he's not meant to reach you.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

Yeah, he's too exactly.

SPEAKER_05 37:54

Yeah, your your reach is too mad. So, like, it's gonna be. I'm gonna watch this. I'm really gonna watch this fight. Yeah, like I'm I'm looking forward to it. But um, yeah, so what you you you reckon scored into points?

SPEAKER_04 38:03

I think it's fixed, and I think he might roll points.

SPEAKER_05 38:05

I might put some money down, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 38:07

Yeah, because anything apart from Let's see the odds. Yeah, anything apart from a knockout is like four to one.

SPEAKER_05 38:13

Can we see the odds up?

SPEAKER_04 38:13

I think everything apart from knockout's four to one. So there, but the book isn't saying it's gonna get knocked out, but I don't think it I don't think I don't think it's gonna happen. It should though. Well, um, yeah, for me, I'm just gonna defend him a little bit, right?

SPEAKER_05 38:28

Pull to win 80 to 1. I've got to put a£10 on that.

SPEAKER_04 38:31

I think I think that everyone's gotta put a£10 on that. Why not? I think that he's fall enough. I think AJ has fallen off the last few years, yeah. But put£50 on that, you're getting some big bread, isn't it? He's actually winning who wants to bet.

SPEAKER_05 38:41

Yeah, yeah. If you put£50 on pull to win right now, Paul ain't winning.

SPEAKER_04 38:44

Of course he's not winning, but if he does by some miracle win, man are milli millions all the time. Right, you tell me how.

SPEAKER_05 38:51

Bruv, AJ's surprised me a few times, you know.

SPEAKER_04 38:54

Not with Jake, not with the Jake Paul, though.

SPEAKER_05 38:56

No, with the never.

SPEAKER_04 38:57

Where's he surprised you? Because I think everyone that beat him. Yeah, everyone that beat him. AJ wouldn't really fight people in the top 10. That's why I can't give him his rate.

SPEAKER_05 39:03

Yeah, as that's what I was saying to someone yesterday. I was like, AJ's actually top 10 in the world. Yeah, like not like in the world, he's in the top 10. So as much as he's lost a couple fights, he's top 10 in the world. There's only like eight men in the world that should be able to beat him up. Paul's not one of them. You get what I'm saying? Maybe not eight, maybe not eight. So if AJ, if you see this, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 39:21

I'm gonna I'm gonna defend him. Who's not fighting for 50? Like, who's not beating someone up for 50 million? Like, come on, is it 50 or the 25? It's if the 20 or two. I think 50. Alright, are you gonna beat someone up for 50 50 million? I'll beat someone up for 50 million. Because everyone's so everyone's saying, oh why you fighting J but bro, 50 mil. Beat him up, bruv. I'll beat, I'll slap someone up for 50 mil. Like, bro, you're mad.

SPEAKER_05 39:43

Beat him up, bro.

SPEAKER_04 39:43

So everyone just shut up, bro. You don't make no Ps, that's why you're saying that, bro.

SPEAKER_05 39:46

But if your business with the KSI and the Tommy Fury fight, that was that was uh, you know, there was a lot of controversy around that, man.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Yeah, but they made the Tommy Fury and who, sorry?

SPEAKER_05 39:57

Was it KSI? Was it Tommy Fury and KSI?

SPEAKER_04 39:59

Nah, it was uh

SPEAKER_05 40:00

Don't reject Paul. But did he be lost though? No, who did it? It was KSI fought somewhere, man. A boxer. Yeah, who did it? Logan. Oh, was it Logan he fought? Nah, bro. Nah, he hold on. KSI versus wasn't it I saw it was Tommy, yeah, it was Tommy Fury, bro. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he lost. Bruv, but did you watch the fight? Yeah, I know I did. Won that, bro. Yes, man. One, I don't care what no one said.

SPEAKER_04 40:19

Yeah, because Ingannu beat blatantly won as well. Ingarnu beat Tyson Fury as well, I think. You see that fight?

SPEAKER_05 40:24

No, I didn't watch that one.

SPEAKER_04 40:26

He won. Anyways. So he you got you got you got AJ, right? Obviously.

SPEAKER_05 40:29

Right, yeah. So there's been around these celebrity boxers now. Making a lot of money. KSI, bro. We beat up Tommy Fury, bro. Beat him up.

SPEAKER_04 40:37

You could argue it, but it's removing from the boxing because the ladies can't get involved in this. Um why can't we get involved? Oh, did you do it? Misogynistic. Misogynistic. I mean, listen, in general, we may not watch boxing, but if you do, by all means, who you got? Gala watch AJ, bro. Okay, do you watch to be fair? Alright, who you got?

SPEAKER_02 40:58

Obviously, AJ.

SPEAKER_04 40:59

Okay, easy, yeah. First round.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

Not first. I agree with you actually. I think it is fixed. Oh, I think these celebrity ones are fixed.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Yeah, I think it's it's crazy. But I like how they're promoting boxing more by being a part of I think that's the way boxing's going, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 41:13

Because it's making a lot of money. I mean, is it not the way it's always been? Nah, because boxing used to be, yo, he's the best fighter, he's the best fighter. Let's see who's the best in whichever weight class. Or I got beef with him for whatever reason. Let's see who's better.

SPEAKER_05 41:29

See, that's one way to look at it. But it's also always been these two, we can sell a mad fight and make a lot of money off it. Yeah, I feel like it's all money now. It's always been money. Like, nah. Mohammed from since like the Mohammed Ali's, where it's like we can create a hype around this, it's not about who's the best fighter, it's about who can sell the tickets.

SPEAKER_04 41:48

Nah, it used to be about who's the best fighter as well, though. You reckon? Yeah, but like, because you know, back in the day, them man weren't really making money like that. And you gotta remember how many times man were fighting in a year as well. Like, when did I fight like four or five times a year?

SPEAKER_05 42:03

Now it's twice if you're lucky. Yeah, so like look, who was um when did it really start becoming about the money? I'll say Mohammed Ali, that generation.

SPEAKER_04 42:11

Nah, I would say like Mayweather started all that money thing.

SPEAKER_05 42:14

Nah, what when it started getting when it started being like sellouts in the like the rumble in the jungle, bruv. These big, big fights.

SPEAKER_04 42:20

Yeah, they were big fights, but it was less about the king. Yeah, don't tys them when real money. Well, it was a less about the money though. Man wanted to actually see Warriors go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's just it's curiosity. Like now, you see with this AJ fight. You see how this conversation was saying, uh, um can it even happen? Can he win? Can he win? Like, but that's that's the curiosity, yeah. Because low key, everyone wants it, like everyone wants JK um Jake to win, right? Low key. That's because it causes crazy. The world can stop spinning, like everything's like imagine that the whole stadium will be silent. Imagine if imagine if he goes in there and knocks him out.

SPEAKER_05 42:58

Everyone's gonna be like, if the what's the odds on Jake Paul's not tight? If I could put a teller on that, yeah, that's I must change that. I honestly that'll change my life, isn't it? That'll change my whole life.

SPEAKER_04 43:10

That's why it was eight, was it not eight?

SPEAKER_05 43:11

I'll stop making content tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 43:13

What's that we hit like a hundred mil off that? I generally can't even like fathom it. Yeah, I'm not even putting things together to say like what would happen in the case. Uncomprehensible.

SPEAKER_05 43:21

It can't, it's it's not, it can't, and that's why they shouldn't even be getting in the ring, and his career's over.

unknown 43:26

He's done.

SPEAKER_04 43:27

So I had to follow the pain because it's he's done. You can't live as YouTuber. Jake Poor. He looked way up, not Jake Poor. Yo, it's mad, isn't it? Anyway, so you got AJ, you got you watch boxing. AJ as well, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:44

Might put a tenner on um you know what, but these odds are so mad. I put a 10 on everything 200 to one. 200 to 1 for J Poor to knock him out, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

200 to one 200 to one. William Hills, 200 to 1. Yeah, I'm um, yeah.

Mental Health, Labels, And Accountability

SPEAKER_05 44:00

That's worth a tenner, isn't it? That's what I'm saying. It's not happening, but it's worth 200 to spend a tenner on less. That's a rabbina and that's amazing. Like 40 pounds for a sandwich and a juice, bro. But for joining the juices, that you know what I mean? Well, every bet that's over 50 to one. Yeah, just why not just skip out lunch tomorrow?

SPEAKER_03 44:22

All right, we got questions. Uh, does mental health destroy accountability? Alright, you go. With me, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:29

Why do you want to start with me, man? I don't know, it's starting in the end, I guess. Actually, you know, should we start here? Yeah, let's start. Oh she did she not on it. No, no, what would you you normally don't feel at all?

SPEAKER_02 44:39

Um, go on, what am I doing?

SPEAKER_05 44:41

Um does mental health destroy accountability?

SPEAKER_02 44:46

As in like people just choose it for the sake. I think everyone suffers with mental health realistically. But yeah, it just depends. I think it depends on the person, though, doesn't it? If you're a drama queen, then yeah, you are gonna go for it. But if you're like a little bit of a soldier, you're probably used to a little bit of mental health.

SPEAKER_05 45:05

I don't know, you want to hear your opinion first.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Me, yeah.

unknown 45:08

I'll go.

SPEAKER_04 45:09

Okay, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 45:11

So I've had people have like a lot of excuses due to their mental health. For example, because I'm a model, I've had weird photographers go, oh, it's because of my autism that I'm being really creepy towards you. Oh, it's because of like they're using their mental health as a way of like being creepy or being weird.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

Yeah, it's a good defense as well. I'll be the real one then. Fuck it. A lot of people use it as an excuse. Now, to be honest, it's difficult to tell who has and who hasn't. And anything like that, it's hard to like govern. Because really, it's it's kind of frowned upon to kind of question if someone does. Like they say that they do, yeah. To question it is like looked as not great, so you can't even really question it. It's like, yeah, a lot of people do use it, people use it if they commit a crime, people use it if if I don't know, the hits of like a I don't know, some sexual stuff like what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05 46:08

Yeah, yeah. Like people will use it. Remember, they've they tried to twist that to um for the PDF stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:16

Of course.

SPEAKER_05 46:16

To say that, oh, it's mental health. Yeah brother, are you dumb? Like you looked at the kid and found the kid. That's not don't try, yeah. Scapegoat yourself onto that wing.

SPEAKER_04 46:28

I in in I feel in 10 years, I feel like it will be.

SPEAKER_05 46:30

Yeah, I reckon I think that's the direction I was going. Yeah, it's gonna be. That they will classify, yeah, they'll classify that as a mental health illness.

SPEAKER_04 46:36

Yeah, give it 10 years.

SPEAKER_05 46:37

So and that just gets rid of all accountability.

SPEAKER_04 46:39

Yeah, it's definitely gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 46:40

Um, and the reason that I that that question was I like the question, because um, without going too mad, obviously I had a a uh let's call it an episode early this year, which kind of segued me into making content. And um obviously I've been through stuff when I was younger, like I've been bored up and stuff, and like just bruv growing up in the end is trauma, you know. But anyway, um when I had what I went through when I went through, that's when I had to start like going and asking certain questions, and I was diagnosed with like eight, that's when I got my AD. I'm 35, 36 next week. I got an ADHD diagnosis this year, complex PTSD this year. Now, these are things that I've just lived thinking, oh I've just always got energy, or I've always always I've just lived with it knowing that that's just my personality. Do you get what I'm saying? So I've gone 35 years with this is my personality, and this year, since I've been told that certain things I do now, I'm like, that's the HD. That's the ADHD. Like I jump in and cut people off in conversations, I've always done it, but it's just been my personality. Now I'm like, oh, that's why I do that. So now it's like I can excuse it, and it's less about me self-control. It's more like I can just kind of I ain't gotta worry about that no more because I could have an excuse for it. I hate it. I can blame it and that's me too suffering with it doing it. So it's like if I can do that, yeah, a lot of people can do that. Then bro, like I can crash out all the time now in real life and put that on my PTSD.

SPEAKER_04 48:06

Yeah, on Julie.

SPEAKER_05 48:07

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 48:07

I mean, we know people abuse that anyway, but yeah. I I would say that yeah, it does take away accountability because you can't argue against it.

SPEAKER_05 48:13

Nah.

SPEAKER_04 48:14

If they say that they've got it, it's the easiest cop out.

SPEAKER_05 48:16

Uh listen, I got I've got some some friends here. I'm not gonna throw them under the bus, but I am saying I need to say space. Oh, yeah, it's okay. Yeah, there you go. So like I've got I've got some friends here, I shouldn't even say friends, I've got some acquaintances that are like bandits, like real bandits, bro. And like they go into court on mad cases, like bruv, mental health, ain't it? Boss case, bro.

SPEAKER_03 48:43

Yeah, you can.

SPEAKER_05 48:43

Like, you can just boss case stuff. Of course you can. So it's like at do you reckon like opening up and throwing labels on stuff? Because we're like a society now that's got labels for everything but no solutions. Yeah, of course. So it's like, okay, cool, you can get away with it, you can get away with it, you can get away with it because you've got this label, you've got that one, and you've got this one. Is that not a slippery slope?

SPEAKER_04 49:04

Yeah, it is, but people also use labels to like get out like get out of like a debate, or like if they don't want to. So for instance, misogyny is one like a lot that gets thrown around a lot just to like instead of like challenging what it is that we're saying, or like saying, okay, you're wrong because of this, you just are you're misogynist, are you sexist, are your um dawdyisms, they're just humanism, and then it kind of just kills the whole conversation.

SPEAKER_05 49:25

Yeah, it kills it done because you can't argue it. Yeah, so it's a slippery slot because it doesn't, it's it's a full stop exclamation mark. Well, it's two ways. There's no solution though.

SPEAKER_04 49:34

Because if you start defending yourself, you look more guilty. This is dark, this is the dark. So it's like it's trigger, it's triggered. Yeah, if you get called racist, like, come on, you just you start crumbling, oh I've got black friends, you know what I mean? And you just sound more racist, even though it's probably true what you say, but it's sort of like, yeah, it's you can't really defend yourself when it comes to that. So the isms just kind of shut the whole conversation down, and then and then mental health, uh, I've got this, I've got ADHD, I've got this. Or you could just be rude and you just maybe you have got ADHD, but you're just a rude person and you're not trying to work on it, you know what I'm saying? So I think people do use it as an excuse. Um, but that doesn't mean that people genuinely don't have it either. So it's like well, how how do you check you can't?

SPEAKER_05 50:16

Yeah, because so now basically so because what is now people can hide and blend in with the real people that have it, yeah, exactly. Like, oh what you also have from ADHD. I can start moving mad and I'm with you lot now.

SPEAKER_04 50:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 50:27

I've got ADHD too.

SPEAKER_04 50:28

There you go. Yeah, it's true, and the amount of like self-diagnosed ADHD as well. Like I've had a lot, I've had like a hundred on the show to be like, I'm one of them.

SPEAKER_05 50:36

So it's like so. This is the fun thing now. I got my diagnosis here. There is such a backlog in the NHS in London, I don't know about up here that if you get referred for an ADHD diagnosis, the wait is like a couple years.

SPEAKER_02 50:51

Six years, I'm on the list.

SPEAKER_05 50:52

Six years, six years, six years, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

I went on it yes, like last year. I went through like a first diet like questionnaire as such, then the second one, and now there's a six year waiting.

SPEAKER_05 51:03

Do you know why that is?

SPEAKER_02 51:04

So basically, I've got ADHD because there's six years and I passed two of them.

SPEAKER_04 51:07

Yeah, so so everyone because everyone's doing it, that's what fucking six years.

SPEAKER_05 51:11

As well, because remember, you get money for it as well, you know. Do you get money? If you get ADHD, you get it.

SPEAKER_02 51:15

Depends on how much older you are.

SPEAKER_05 51:17

You get a blue badge, no, no, not the blue badge, but do you know you get you get um something that helps you um with work because obviously that little stuff like I don't open letters, I've never opened letters. I don't, I'm really bad with like letters.

SPEAKER_04 51:30

I get yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:30

Um so like I think you get help with stuff like that. But my sister's mad on ADHD as well, and she was like, Yeah, she gets the help, and she was like, Yeah, like it helps someone because like you get, I think it's a secretary to help you with your business or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 51:44

Yeah, I get what you're yeah, you're gonna get some sort of power because it's a disability, I think.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

Yeah, alright, next question. Does occupation matter when it comes down to a relationship? I can start this one.

Careers, Income Gaps, And Dating Up

SPEAKER_05 51:56

This is this is something that I like to stop here. One million percent. What because um what I can do and what you can do dictates who we are. So a perfect example. If I'm dating someone that works at 95, I don't work at 95, you got four weeks a year, and you'll leave, you can go on holiday. I don't need to be in the country. Ever.

SPEAKER_04 52:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 52:21

So now however much we want to be together, when I'm deciding I'm gonna go for work, I don't know, to the Caribbean for two months. How did like is is it fair?

SPEAKER_04 52:34

No.

SPEAKER_05 52:35

It's not fair, is it?

SPEAKER_04 52:36

In their eyes, what did it be?

SPEAKER_05 52:37

In their eyes. Logically it's fair. Logically it's fair because I can do it, and if you could do it, you do it too. Exactly. But you can't do it, so now I feel guilty. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

Yeah, I agree to be fair. Like, it is if you're not compatible because of your lifestyles, it's never gonna work. Like, I've dated guys that are, for instance, in the hospitality industry, I work a nine to five, so I like to go out on a weekend. If they're then working on a weekend, it's just like they're working until like what two, three, four o'clock in the morning. Yeah, like it's just not gonna happen, is it? It's yeah, it does make a big difference.

SPEAKER_05 53:11

Yeah, and then you as well you end up spending more time with people from the opposite sex in your industry or field that you're in, and it just starts to make sense. Like, oh, I need to be with someone that's kind of in the same field. That's why most people cheat at work. Yeah, do you think?

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Um yeah, I I kind of agree. Um, you need to balance each other out, make sure if you are working five days a week that you're gonna find someone that's gonna work five days a week as well, so they can have the same time, the same values as each other. Although it might be nice to spice it up, say if I was a model and I was dating somebody an accounting, would it match? No, probably not, no. So it's nice to have uh similar interests that you can relate to.

SPEAKER_05 54:00

What about if you've got the same pattern, but the salaries is just complete opposite sides of the spectrum? Yeah, like what if you're on like a I don't know, what's the average salary for like 40k? Nah, average salary is 28. Never it's 28.

SPEAKER_02 54:16

Yeah, sure.

unknown 54:18

It's it's 40k in London.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

Oh, yeah, in London, obviously, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:21

Yeah, wait, no, I think I don't think it's 40k, it might be 45, 30.

SPEAKER_04 54:25

I think it's 37 in London, yeah. But generally it's about 28, I think. You can fact you can fact check it though. You might have gone up, to be fair.

SPEAKER_05 54:31

Alright, so let's say you're on that and you're dating someone that's on 100k, but you're both on nine to fives. Do you think that can work?

SPEAKER_02 54:39

No.

SPEAKER_05 54:40

Why?

SPEAKER_02 54:40

Depends. Is it the woman or the man? I could go out with a man that's earning that much money.

SPEAKER_05 54:48

For the woman, you'll work. Women are like, we're not dating. No, if I want 100k, I need a millionaire.

SPEAKER_02 54:53

Yeah, like one of my things, like I was talking about before, like, I will not date a guy that earns less than like 30k.

SPEAKER_05 54:59

What about that earns less than you?

SPEAKER_02 55:01

No.

SPEAKER_05 55:02

So whatever you earn, he has to earn more.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:04

So as guys, we're just really nice, isn't it? Because we've been programmed by the misogynist movements and the feminist movements that we need to date down and girls are only dating up. Girls are climbing ladders.

SPEAKER_04 55:16

Like we should actually, if you actually deep it and think about it, the ones who scream that they're dating down the most, it's actually the men dating down for the most part.

SPEAKER_05 55:24

If you're talking about like, it's only men that date down, bro. Men date down, and I think men date down all day long. I think that every man is dating down.

SPEAKER_04 55:31

I don't think we have a problem with that, though. Nah, it's only you, you have a problem with it. I don't know about you like that. Genuinely, you don't want to date down, let's be real. And there's numbers on this as well, anyway. I think it's a hundred percent. I think men are dating down. Nah, I mean, like numbers is in like so women on average, I think they want they want their man to earn like 50% more than what they earn.

SPEAKER_05 55:49

Not too much more, because then you can do too much.

SPEAKER_04 55:51

Not too much.

SPEAKER_05 55:51

Well, 50 about 50%. Yeah, but if you earn a hundred, if you earn like triple what I earn, then you can get rid of it.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

Oh, yeah, because then he can just nah, because then he can just cheat and just can't say anything. Yeah, so at a certain tax bracket, you just can just say shut up. So it's like its peak. Yes, darling.

SPEAKER_02 56:03

I don't know if you like agree, but yeah, but at a certain tax bracket, if you tell me to shut up, as long as I'm getting something from it.

SPEAKER_04 56:10

That's how most think. That's what I'm saying. I don't know, I don't know if you do, but that most do.

SPEAKER_05 56:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:14

If you get in the lifestyle, you're happy to just tell them I die.

SPEAKER_05 56:18

Never saw it. But have a conversation, have a conversation like listen, keep your separate phone away. Yeah, you know what I mean? And I don't I don't want to know nothing, I want to see nothing. Or you can be honest, to be fair. I mean, bro, I think if you if you got a certain amount of money, you can be like, okay, of course, I've got a multiple girlfriends.

SPEAKER_04 56:35

Yeah, I'm just okay. Forget me. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 56:38

Like, no, but that's when you get to like like like that's when you get to like Nick Hannon levels, isn't it? Like, all right, cool, that's I'm so rich, I can do what I want.

SPEAKER_04 56:44

I don't think you really need to even be because I've looked at this right. I'm gonna I'm gonna get to you in a sec, right? Do you know what the top 1% earns in the UK? And I actually think London throws everything out like out of balance.

SPEAKER_05 56:58

But do you know the top one, like not a lot? I don't think there's a lot, it's probably like it's like probably like 500 bags.

SPEAKER_04 57:03

No, less than that, yes, not that one. Do you know what the top 1% is not 100%? Do you know what the top 1%? The top 1% in the UK earns 180 grand a yeah. That's the sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:14

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. But when I seen that, I'm like, how the fuck's that the top one percent? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the because you gotta remember, right? So when we're talking about money now, that's the top 1% of people getting paid salary. That's not really the top 1% because men have businesses that are turning over like two mil.

SPEAKER_04 57:31

No, that's no, that's what I'm seeing. Yeah, I'm saying because I was there, but they don't they're not including turnover, because turnover's just money going in.

SPEAKER_05 57:36

Even profit, like there's businesses that are making crash but it's not remember, once you earn over 180, no one's paying you that.

SPEAKER_04 57:42

Yeah, I can't.

SPEAKER_05 57:43

Like, that's you know that's that's self employed. You own Dixies, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:46

You know what I'm saying? That's self-employed, though. That's that's basically it's declared income, is what I'm saying, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:51

So basically, right, but it's so so what we're understanding is if you want to be rich, like you can't work, you have to own the business.

SPEAKER_04 57:57

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's basically oh yeah, we know that we got if any if you if anyone takes anything away from that statement, you can never ever trade time for money, you'll never be rich. It will not happen. You cannot money has to work when you're sleeping. If you ain't doing that, you're never gonna be rich. And that's coming from me.

SPEAKER_03 58:13

Facts, facts ain't happening.

SPEAKER_04 58:14

So don't try and think you can uh work 80 hours a week. No, no, don't work, you're never gonna be rich. You'll work forever. It's not happening, but yeah, 180. I was surprised when I seen that, I can't lie. It's like 1%. But I think you're right though, this is what you declare. We ain't trying to hit get hit with that tax because HMRC is that 45%.

SPEAKER_05 58:32

HMRC's watching, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

So I'm taking I declare everything. I I actually do declare everything to be fair. Yeah. 12,000 salary. All right, next question. Oh, wait, we didn't get to you. Um so do you think uh I think you didn't answer the question, but what about the money? Like, do you think there's a tax bracket where you can just say shut up?

SPEAKER_01 58:52

See, I've been down the wormhole where I've dated men. I've only dated men that earn less than me.

SPEAKER_05 58:59

She's a true feminist.

SPEAKER_01 59:01

No, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not. So no, so I for my age, because I'm only 23, I was earning 37k a year. Good, buddy. So everybody every guy my age was either unemployed, still in uni, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 59:22

Yeah, but that's why you always that's why you you date up. I think it's stupid for women to date down, date like in age. You gotta date up. Them guys are broke, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 59:30

Yeah, well I've learned well I've learnt not the hard way.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

Yeah, you did. Yeah.

unknown 59:34

You did.

SPEAKER_04 59:36

You gotta date.

SPEAKER_01 59:37

I know.

SPEAKER_04 59:37

And if you while you're 23, you need to be looking north of 33. North of 30, north of 30.

unknown 59:45

I'm dead.

SPEAKER_04 59:45

Yeah, when I speak to that, when I speak to like my sister, 10 years up. 37k.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

37k.

SPEAKER_04 59:50

Yeah, north of 30. Don't look anywhere around. You might have the m odd unicorn that might, but north of 30. Yeah. What what you what are your age? Yeah, so you might get someone in and around your age, but I would still say five.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

See I like a younger guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:06

See, how does that correlate? Because you like the money, so it's like how is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

You can get like 27-year-olds. Trappers.

unknown 1:00:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:15

Badman shallove.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:18

They don't need to declare anything to hide from.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:20

Badman shall love. I can tell I can know the type. Another type. Bad man, shall love.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:25

Next question. You know what the thing is, though, like it does. I hate what you say, it does catch up though. Like eventually. I think it's even harder now to like to hide your shit. Like, even if you go and buy a car, like they're trying to see where the money came from. It's it's come on. Even the bank's question, yeah. I've gone to the bank to draw money out, and you're asking me like 21 questions of why I'm drawing this money out.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:48

Which is your my own money? Yeah. You know what, bro? This is it's like we're gonna go into a little tiny wormhole. I'm trying not to go too mad. Okay. But understand, yeah. Everyone here, also she's the youngest, 23. Right. Give it 10 years. There is no cash.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:05

Yeah, there won't be no.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:06

So, like, we're only gonna see numbers. Do you know what I mean? So they're even withdrawing it, that that's really what they're programming us for. Like, what do you mean? What do you need cash for? You don't need it. Just move numbers around on the computer screen.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:18

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:18

Do you get what I'm saying? So, like, that's why crypto is what it needs to be. Yeah. Because now we can move international numbers without converting stuff. Do you get what I'm saying? But then, like, it's the rest of the world that needs to catch up. Like, you go to the Caribbean, for example. I use Caribbean a lot because I go there a lot. And it's cash rules everything still. Yeah, it does, yeah. Like, they're not even letting you use Apple Pay in KFC in Jamaica. Yeah, they want you to do it. Because they're like, we can't count on fraud. We haven't got the infrastructure to even deal with fraud. So, like, there's madness going on. But over here, like, which is like the other side of the spectrum of like the digital stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:52

I rarely see cash now from an instrument. You get what I'm saying? I rarely see cash. Obviously, COVID had done a very good job of doing.

Money Power, Dependents, And Relationship Rules

SPEAKER_05 1:01:58

I still see a lot of cash, but obviously I throw events and stuff. But even that, like, go into like um I went to deposit money in the bank, Barkley's um the other day, and um, I saw something I've never seen on the screen. It's like it told me how much cash I'm allowed to put in. And I was like, What do you mean? And they were like, Yeah, you can only put in this much cash this year, you've got like this amount left. I think it was like that's actually crazy, you know. Yeah, you're not allowed to put cash into the bank. You only had to put a certain amount of cash your personal account, business account's different. But in my personal account, they're like, You're not allowed to put in more than I think 16 grand in a year. And I was like, What do you mean? So what does that do with the rest of it? It's got to spend the cash. Madden there. That's actually crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:36

But to be honest for you, money, it is just money on the screen anyway, because it's just numbers. If if everybody went to go and draw their cash out, there's no cash in the bank, bro. I'm telling you that now.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:43

It's just numbers on the screen. Matrix stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:46

You think you think everyone to draw their money out, they got the cash. This is Tate stuff. Nope.

unknown 1:02:51

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:51

Yeah, escape the matrix. Um, what was you showing us?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:54

Yeah, just to clarify, um, they did look into obviously different types of um forms that you can get income from. So not only just from a wage, but also through a business and self-employed. It's not up to date, it's 2018 to 19, but just to let you know that they do do that research as well. Right, as in like how much comes into the business. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:13

Oh, so 180 is accurate.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

Yeah, so they do have the business stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:18

They go across the board, so it's not just salary, but that's the top that's top um set in the UK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:24

Only UK.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:24

America's higher.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:25

Of course it's America's got mad.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:27

And but even in the UK, London skews it a lot. But like London, London brings up that about London. I would say it's probably like maybe one. Eight, eight, nah, but yeah, maybe a hundred, eight, yeah, you're probably right, yeah. London brings up a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:39

Yeah, you need to remember, like, Silicon Valley built builds you the USA. Yeah, yeah. And obviously, our bankers build us, so mortgages, land, all that kind of stuff. Okay, so you like dating broad guys, then yeah?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:52

Yeah, but you're all for equality, so it doesn't really matter, does it?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:56

It's fine, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:57

Stop enough, right? So just out of curiosity, right? Because I I I I I'm curious when I hear so like you know, like if you if you like wanted to go on holiday, right? And like he can't afford to go because you make more, obviously. Like, what do you do?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:11

I'd pay.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:12

You pay for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:13

Yeah, I've done it before.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:14

I guarantee you she has amazing sex.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:17

If you're dating broke guys, oh yeah, that could be the case because that's all they've got going for them. But that where financial it's not it's not a it's not a direct correlate, but that if the a lot of them, that's all they've got going for them.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:31

So if a girl's willing to pay for you to go on holiday and you ain't got no money, you're definitely letting pipe properly.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

So you don't buy romance is dead, yeah. Of course. Romance is completely dead. No, I I'm all for romance, so but how's he buying the flowers?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:45

So I'm saying feminism kills romance.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:47

He can afford flowers.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:48

That's all he can afford.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:50

Not a hundred of them. I want a hundred romances.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:52

Nah, but I you're she's not so he wants to buy you for like okay, it's your birthday. Let's go into the same sweet. Yeah, because I've got I've gotta try and understand. Okay, so it's your birthday. He wants to take you away. Like, what if he came to you and said, I need to lend some money? I can't tell you what it's for, but I just gotta lend it. Like, would you lend it him?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

I have done, yes. How old did you get? 23.

unknown 1:05:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:24

So I am still young.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:25

So like, and then say he lent like two grand, maybe, right? And then like he looked at the receipt of the holiday, it was it was the two grand.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:33

No, I would I wouldn't have I wouldn't have lent him that money to you wouldn't have? No, not not two grand.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:39

Okay, 500 weekend away. Would you lend?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

No, not if it not not if I knew that my birthday was coming up and it was a present for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:47

How would you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:49

Because it's near my birthday.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:51

You're just guessing.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:54

So no one's ever like took you away on holiday or like uh no. Bought you a gift or nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

Well, yeah, they bought me gifts and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:01

Oh, that's the most expensive gift you've got.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:03

Probably like a Nintendo Switch. Really? Yeah, yeah. That's a Cooper Gill. Yeah, yeah, Cooper Gill. But then I did buy him a PS5 when it like first came out. Buy one, Jim. Slight one, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:13

Yeah, to find the resellers for that as well. Yeah. When the PS5s first dropped. So I was like getting it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

Yeah, yeah. It was like 800 quid, and then like the five, and then I bought five games with it, so he wasn't like five games, she's rich.

unknown 1:06:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:24

Five games at once is big bread. 50 pounds a game. So if I don't, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:28

Yeah, and then I got it. So that was like a bag altogether, basically.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:31

Because I remember I bought like 10 and sold them for like it's like a baggy. But yeah, yeah, okay. So you you want him to pay though, right? You're not interested in this.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:41

If a man ever, ever came to me and said, Can I borrow some money? I'd be speechless.

unknown 1:06:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:52

I do it all the time. Yeah, because I do it on purpose though. Yeah, to see how I'd be like, oh babe, then uh send me 100 pounds. Just to see how quick she sends it. Because I send money quick when it's time to send money. So I'm like, I'll send me a hundred pounds. I don't want to hear no questions, I don't want to hear what's it for. Alright, that's fair. I expect£100, and then I'll be like, okay, cool, I'll give you the cash for it later, or something like that. I'll never know.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:15

I expect I expect no, that's not no why you can't just access some money.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:25

No, it's context matter.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:28

Yes, and that's why it's not fair and it's not equal.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:31

See, this is the thing though. If you're like her, then that can't run. Well, if you're like me, that can run. Because I don't believe it, it's equal anyway. So she believes it's equal, so that means you should just send on your phones and do you understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

Like, no man should ever not have money in his bank.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:48

What do you mean? You could what you like drug dealers?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:51

He can have money off his mum. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:54

He's got cash, he needs money in his bank.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:56

Yeah, no, like no man should not have like no money. Do you think it's harder for a man?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:00

He's got cash, but no money in the bank, though. So, babe, send me your 500 pounds.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:03

Yeah, am I getting the 500 pound cash and having to transfer that remote just seeing it at HMRC, don't know? Yeah, yeah, I could do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:09

No, no, no, but you don't need to even know that you like this one's trouble with. Yeah, she's trouble with mad still.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:16

All right, so do you do you believe that men have a harder life then? Because I think I actually think most women think like what you just said. Yeah. No man should never have money. But it's actually quite hard to get money.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:25

No, I get that. But like, say, for instance, if I'm in a relationship with a guy, yeah, I should be the broke one. I should be the one that, for instance, says to the guy, like, oh, can I have like 50 quid or something? If a man then comes to me and says I've got 50 quid, I'm like, What are you doing with your finances? Because if we're living together and we've got a house and something breaks.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:42

This is why I just eliminate all this conversation. Even when you were talking about the annual, I just get rid of the whole you don't wear it no more. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:50

You never sit down. You are a child. I don't want to hear nothing. Yeah, you're basically like a dependent now.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:54

That that's then I don't have to hear about that side of the medical.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:58

You're a dependent. So so I so there's the question now. Yeah, just if you put yourself as a dependent, yeah, so your your guy looks after you, yeah, you still want to argue. Are you mad?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:08

Depends on what we're arguing about.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:10

That means yes. You still got a voice talking about you.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:13

No, but like you are gonna have an argument, aren't you?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:15

Not if you're a dependent. No, because it could be oversuff which you're if I control your whole life, the moment you argue, go home. If I if you don't put anything into my pocket and I control your whole, I pay for your existence, you can't argue with me.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:31

No, you can't, but you will.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:34

And that's meant, and that is back to back to mental health. No, because you I'm gonna be honest, like, this is what I'm saying at a certain point. Don't argue with you. I don't I actually don't, I don't argue. I love a conversation, we can discuss something, but I'm not. You see, all this shouting and throwing shit. Yeah, like it's not gonna be like a full-blown argument.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:52

No, yeah, I don't I don't mean theatrics, I mean even like you can't question me if I control your life. Think about no, can you understand what we're saying? We're talking this is a power dynamic.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:01

If I'm the king, yeah, yeah. You can't question the king.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:06

Yeah, I hear that, but a good leader, like in inquires sometimes. You don't have to go with what's being said, but you you know, inquire now. Because I'll inquire.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:16

Who's that girl phone in your phone? Huh? Who's that girl phone in your phone? Yeah, but I see I don't want to directly talk about it. No, no, but you know you, but I'm saying if you're the if it's not 50-50, no, it's not even 70-30. Okay, but she wants to be as full dependent, it's a hundred-zero. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:31

But I think zero ask you who's phoning your phone. Now, you know why I tell you when they can. If you if you wasn't honest, you're right. If you made out like there was no other girl, yeah. Now it's now this is yeah, if you're lying, yeah. Yeah, the algorithm is not algorithm. Yeah, yeah, you get me. Like, yeah, I understand asking. Yeah. But if you're honest, which by the way, you like do you not want honesty? You prefer to be lied to. I'm gonna say that you you do prefer to be lied. Because you get punished for telling the truth.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:02

I just want to go on the record saying, yeah, I believe that men should be a hundred percent, and women should be like, you don't have no responsibilities apart from just being happy.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:12

Women, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:13

I think that women should just have to be happy in a relationship, and men should have all the heavy lifting to do, and like you know, man should give you a nice life because that's what it used to be. It used to be us as men, because I'm old school. What is a bot, though? It used to be no no but it used to be us as men. I know what the bot's gonna be. But we're gonna I'm gonna let you land it though. But um, it used to be us as men, we build our villages. Do you know what I'm saying? We build our houses, we build our villages, and then we need like women to help us like make it look nice, and and and raise the children and prepare the children to be the next men. Do you know what I'm saying? So men don't want to put any financial burden on women at all, however, it does come with a power dynamic, and I believe that in today's generation, women still want us to do that, but without the power, yeah, that's a problem, and we're being programmed into believing that I don't believe in that.

Kids, Marriage, And Standards Slipping

SPEAKER_04 1:12:12

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. So do you agree with what he just said? Because I I agree with that, but in the world that we live in, I'm not doing it unless it's a certain person. If you believe in equality, I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:27

Yeah, because we're equal. Yeah, no, but but this is the thing. So you've said a few times about equality. I I actually do believe in equality as a human or in a relationship. Because as a human, I believe in equality no no, I believe that people are better at different things. Do you get what I'm saying? I believe that like girls are better at than us at a lot of things, and we're better than girls at a lot of things. So, and the things that I'm better than girls at is like I don't even want my girl to be good at that stuff. I don't need her to be because I'm that's my passion. My passion is being the best version of me. Don't you think it outweighs though? No, no, no, definitely doesn't outweigh it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:00

Let's go to the extreme, I'll tell you what it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:01

Definitely doesn't outweigh it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:02

It does I go to the extreme then.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:04

But have you ever looked after like four children at once? They can do that, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:08

Peace of peace.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:09

That's a seep. What?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:10

Piece of peace.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:11

You're a mad, you're lying. Cap. There must be a cap button on there. There must be a cap sound effect on it. That's cap, bro. Alright, do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:18

Alright, I'm gonna ask you, then cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:21

What you just said, is that the top like stress?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:25

Yeah, raising children's the biggest stress.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:27

Yeah. So that on the woman's side, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:28

But remember, that's remember. See, when you raise children, yeah?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:31

You gotta make sure they don't kill themselves.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:33

No, no, I'm gonna dig away. Remember you as a eight-year-old. No, no, hold on. I'm gonna dig that is true. I'm gonna dig, I'm gonna dig into why what I'm saying. So is that for you that's the top, yeah? The reason why.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:42

Yeah, the most important thing that you can do in a family is is the raising of the children. And the protect the looking after the children. Cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:48

What's the top thing for a guy?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:50

To protect the whole family.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:52

Exactly. Yeah, but the children and what can that lead to? The whole family gets wiped out. Why him first? Yeah, the whole family. So that's what I'm saying is outways, because on this side, I gotta fight and die. And then on this side, you just stress because the children are crying.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:06

That's what I'm saying. Nah, bro, it's not that the children are crying, bro. Children get sick, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:10

Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:10

Yeah, and who, like, who's there to look after them? Because like men don't look after them the same as the women.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:15

But again, though, the burning performances on the guys, when there's any issues, who's supposed to be the problem solver?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:21

Yeah, that's problem solving. So I and that's something that man's good at. It's problem solving.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:25

So when they get the children if the children's sick and they don't know what's wrong, who's supposed to solve the problem?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:30

Or who's looked at to solve the problem? Depends on the problem, man. Because like depends on the problem. Because when you're sick, who'd you run to? When I'm sick. When as a child, when you're sick, who'd you run to? Yeah, most likely. Mum. Yeah, so that's the for us. There's different reasons for that. There's different reasons for that. I'll be honest with you, I've had so much issues. I've been to the hospital so much times, and it rarely got to my dad. My dad didn't know how much times my mum sat in AE for hours with me, bro. My grandmother, do you know what I'm saying? My mum had to like bandage up, wrap, like boiled bush tea, and give me like for the thickness. Like the old school remedies, it's never your granddad's remedy, it's grandma's remedy. 100%. Do you get what I'm saying? So I might have when there's a problem though. What kind of problem? So be specific now. Anything. Give me an example.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:17

Maybe, maybe they're sick. You went doctors, they can't find out um what the issue is.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:22

This is very extreme.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:23

Who's this who is I'm not only saying that they can provide the solution, I'm saying who is looked at to provide the solution.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:30

The man. But the butt always leads back to the guy anyway. Yeah, yeah. So and that's why he's the head. Exactly. But it's outweighed. Because you can't go, you can't get what you're saying. You can't really go the other way. You know what? I get what you're saying. Can you go the other way? The responsibility. So right, right. So this is what I'll say. I think it's equal um strength, but it's not equal responsibility. Well, yeah, I can. And the most responsibility, the all the overall responsibility lies on the man, hence why he's the king. However, see the men are equal then.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:02

How can the king be equal? See, don't you south?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:07

This is the first time I've been checkmates. Yeah, yeah, don't you south. This is the first time, this is the first time on a podcast I've been checkmated. And this is what happens when I tried to be um not not misogyny. I tried I lost my own.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:22

Women love misogyny, bro. Because I'll tell you why. When when you say that, people think it's the extreme, right? But when you think of misogyny, I'm I I would I don't even think the word's used correctly, but basically, I would say someone who doesn't believe in women are equal, but the the provider guy, they don't you don't believe women are equal. Oh no, I don't.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:39

So you're a misogynist.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:40

No, because that's what I'm saying. The word doesn't get the word don't get used correctly. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, like in the eyes of the public, it's used as like, I don't know, you just don't like women, but really it's just you hate you literally hate women.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think most people don't hate. I think that is a big, big bit. Did you watch Adolescence? Yeah, bro, that's crazy. That was mental bro. That's a lie. The whole thing was propaganda, bro. Yeah, madness. That whole show was propaganda, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:02

Yeah, when they mention Tate, that's what I mean. Um, but yeah, but let me land. The guys, right? The guys that are you would what we would class a misogyny, they're the guys that are the provider guys, they don't see you as equals, but that's why they're trying to look after you and they'll pay for the shit. All the married men are the misogynists. Because the equal guys are the ones that will say 50-50 on the day, they're the equal guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:20

Yeah, the misogynists, the misogynists are actually all the married guys. I'm paying that's all the married men are the misogynists because they got down on one knee and was like, All right, you're taking my name, exactly, and it's my family now, and you're my wife. Last video, it's not I'm your husband, it's you're my wife. What would you do? Will you be my wife? Not will I be your husband?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:36

Yeah, of course. What would you do? I've got ads for the answer. What would you do if you proposed to someone and they were saying that they want to keep their name? What would you do? You don't want to be my wife then. Because I thought it was just me, because I think that's a big disrespect. Because I feel like you would want to keep your name, like double barrel. No, you you give what's the last name?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:57

To be like a yeah, if it's shit, I entail it.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:00

See, that's it. This is where you this is where you go into the madness now. Mad. Mad. I I I that's why I wanted to ask you like I take, I'm gonna take that as a big disrespect. I might call it off.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:11

Yeah, bro. I'm putting it off, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:13

If you ever alluded that you want to keep your old name, I might call it off.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:15

Listen, listen, I don't know about you, yeah. So I've got uh no because this is something I've done this year.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:21

Double barrel.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:21

No, no, no, no. So so the my friend that's rude. What are these symbols?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:27

Like, what is would you rather them have a double barrel or keep the last name?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:31

Double barrel isn't is a double barrel my name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all fine. I'm saying, but I'm I'm hyphen. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:38

If if if the double barrel is my name, as in if I've got a double barrel name and then No, as in if they've got their name, your name, and then they hyphenated it together.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:46

Oh, that's what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:47

Yeah, would you rather them hyphenate your name with theirs or them keep their name?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:52

I'd rather them go back to the streets where I'm gonna get it.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:54

That's what I'm on. I'm on some, I'll be honest, I'm on some, it's like there's you can't disrespect. It's 100% in or not. But see, you have to understand, my name is my name. Yeah, so and like I don't know about you, I've got um, I set up a thing, um a company, it's like a holding company for all my other companies, yeah. Yeah, so and my company is literally called House of My Surname. Yeah, you're not coming into my, like, you're not becoming my wife, you're becoming a part of my dynasty. Of course. So there ain't no half, you're not whatever you was in before, that's gone. You're out, this is some ritual stuff. You better cut your hand, do you get what I'm saying? Sign it in blood, like it's it's you're married to the mob now. Do you get what I'm saying? So if you're in coming into my family, into my world, into my life, there's no half stepping. Nah, I know. You better jump in with both feet or don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:43

Yeah, definitely not.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:45

What about I've got a question. If you have kids before you're married, are your kids having the man's last name or your last name, like as a woman?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:55

That's a stupid question.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:56

Same thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:57

It's the man's name.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:59

But Why haven't I got the man's name, but my kids have?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:02

Because you're not married yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:04

Just to be Yeah, before you're married. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:07

Because the man's the head of the household.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:10

But why have I not got a ring? Why am I not wiped out? I can carry a child for nine months. You gotta look in the mirror and give them the nine years.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:18

Why are you not married? And you're pushing out kids?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:20

No, but that happened.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:21

No, this is that's the that's the way we don't.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:23

No one, no one's ready for that question.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:24

You gotta look in the mirror now.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:25

Because here's the thing. I'm I think guys like me and him are very consistent, right? Now you've been on the show a million times, and I've already said I tell women you should not be having kids by a man who don't want to marry you.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:38

Yeah, but it happens.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:40

But then you're stupid.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:41

Well, yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:42

Stupid. You should you should never, never, and then what's even more stupid as well, and uh some more game for you though. I don't think you realize how stupid it is when you're cussing off your baby dad. Do you not realize that that should be done?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:55

I'm not a fan of either party doing that.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:57

Like, do you know you know if you've got you've had a child that's the biggest honour you can give to a man, you've been in my child, and then you're cussing him like you might as well look in the mirror, you might as well look in the mirror and start cussing the person that you're looking at.

Loyalty, Leveling Up, And Losing Friends

SPEAKER_05 1:21:08

Get back with your baby dad, mate. That's crazy. Yeah, if you're like anyone that cusses their other parent of their child, I always think to myself, You're an idiot. God forbid, God forbid, yeah, that something happens to that child, and it's you two that actually have to bury that child. Yeah, that's gonna be. There's no one else. It's you two. No, I agree. It's you like if you however much, every girl watching this, however much you cuss your baby father, you don't like him, if the worst happens to your child, everyone around you that laughs when you cuss him will be looking at him to hold you up in church.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:42

I was literally just about to say that.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:45

Everyone around you will be looking at him to hold you up in church when you can't stand up, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:50

And we know youths are dying, especially in the climate that we're living in. So, like, grow up, yeah, sort it out, bro. Like, you lot made this child together, you never hated him when you was on your back. Or lit, do you get what I'm saying? Like you it weren't hate then, it was lit then. Do you get what I'm saying? So, whatever happened after that, sort it out, bro. Because you lot made a child, and that child's looking up to both of you, yeah. And whatever happens in that child's life, it's you two's input. So if it's chaos, then you lot are not just like, yeah, like grow up, man. And most importantly, if it's a boy, you need the dad, mate. So both, both, man. Both, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:24

Of course, you need both.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:25

Both, but men, for men in particular. Yeah, but yeah, for boys, you definitely need guidance because the world will tell you to be a simp.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:31

Basically.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:32

Do you get what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:33

Alright, next topic. Anything else to add um before we move on?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:38

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:38

So do you agree with uh you should be married? Because you said um what if they're not married? I think you should be married. Yeah, I agree. I think you should be married, but again, I've said it and I've said other things as well. I'm saying the reason for like cheating and stuff is for it's feminism. It's actually feminism.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:53

It's because of women, it's feminism still. I can explain that we're allowed, like it's liberating to be like sexual freaking. I can explain it. Sex in the city in them show.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:59

Let's go to a safe space. Let me explain. If you all had the rule, because let's be honest, you like control the sex. Yeah, that's you that's control. Yeah, we just have to try and get it. If you all said no sex, if you unless you marry us, there'd be no more cheating. True. Ever. You can't cheat.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:17

Do you remember when back in the day? That's how you used to be. How old are you? B 32 now. Alright, so you're like man's age group, yeah. A couple years younger.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:24

Remember when man was young, yeah? Like, girls used to be like, before you even got sex. So what are we? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it doesn't matter. So what are we? Yeah. Do you remember that? So what are we, bro? Like, you have to just lie or something. But you gotta like, even if you lie, they can be like, That's my boyfriend. And it's not an argument, yeah. It's my boyfriend, because I'm not just sleeping around. When is the last time someone said to you, What are we?

unknown 1:23:47

Nah, it doesn't happen anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:48

I'd get laughed at.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:50

Yeah, probably. Do you get it? Because it's not because you're doing anything wrong, it's because girls have standards have dropped so to the floor because girls have been programmed that you're liberated now. Like, you don't need like you can do what men do. Do you know what I'm saying? What e you're equal now? Men have been wholes. We like we were we grew up as whole. We were taught to be whole. Like, we watched all the things like remember the funds, the funds and the man there. The funds, man, to be cool and be like get all the girls. Like, we were programmed to do that. Now, but if you were not programmed to do that, you're not programmed to be princesses, but feminism came and was like, fuck being a princess.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:26

Yeah, now a lot of people are saying I want to be a bad bitch with that date. That's that's actually and listen, people can do what they want. I'm not like I I think that's crazy, like crazy. I think I thought you'd not feel good to be like to be taken out. I think it's sad still. You know, if someone surprises you with Melanay or Mill, like is that not like don't you like that? Would you want that?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:44

Well, yeah, like if the guy wants to be a gentleman on a date, then I'll let him be a gentleman.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:49

But also, I feel like you'd fight him though.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:52

Like, no, I'm paying 50%. I was raised to be independent. I don't need no man. Like on the first date, she's telling it, I don't need no man. Yeah, be honest.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:00

No, be honest.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:01

Have you fought someone before trying to pay the full bill? Like, one to day.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:05

If there's not gonna be a second date, I will pay a 50-50.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:07

How do you know there's no that's very honourable of you? So I get I get what I get that logic.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:12

Because I feel bad because I'm fair.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:14

Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:15

Maybe I'm just a bitch, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:17

Yeah, I think it's up to the guy to not get finessed. I'm gonna be honest with you. I do I do, I do think that's part of the game. Yeah, you have to some people need to get finessed, yeah. And I think we need to be honest with you, let's be real. I I do think we need to be finessed a few times to learn because no matter how much you tell a guy, yo, you're just finessing at you though, it's like you have to go through it to to learn, and then you go from there, like you know what I mean. But yeah, next topic.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:40

Is loyalty the enemy of progression? At what point are you allowed to outgrow people? That's a plea.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:48

I think that question is very, very prominent in the black community.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:53

That's the biggest question for us.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:54

That they it's like you almost like kind of took the piss out of if you are progressing, or like you're like um uh he's forgotten, or like you know what I mean. That kind of talk comes up if you've progressed past you're moving brand, chilling in the park. You're brand new now, bro. Yeah, you don't know man no more. But I feel like that's very part of it. You thought you think you're brand new now, yeah? Yeah, yeah, basically, yeah. Like, so and I think the smart ones cut most of the people off because they will hold you back. So I think I think you you need to be able to cut people off. As you get older, you lose friends anyway. You have loads of friends when you're younger. As you get older, you got like three. But yeah, I feel we need to change that because it's it's a good thing that people are progressing. Like you should want that, and if anything, you should be asking, yo, how can I be doing that? But it's obviously it's a pride thing, innit? Um so basically to answer the question, I believe that it is the enemy of progression. Does this happen in the like the white community? No, you know, you cut people off and fuck off straight away. Cut off like okay, in as a community though, are you like happy if someone's progressing? There might be an element of like jealousy, because you you know, everyone wants to be, yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean? That's normal as human beings, but like, is it like looked at because again, it's like for us, it's like you believe in man, like you are you, like why you think you're better than man now, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:18

Like, is that the same thing with I feel like though, if like say if my friend did really well, I would like be obviously over the moon for her. That's the thing, and I feel like like we'd get cards, we'd get presents, like you'd be like, Yes, girl, go on, like go and like you've done well.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:35

But if she now hasn't got time to like see you anymore, like now you obviously you got to spend a lot of time together now. She don't that time has disappeared. Now she's in LA. Furthermore, now she's in LA at the at on on the Oscars. Are you still gonna be chairing for her? She ain't my friend. This is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:50

Yeah, but I get that because she you're not with him anymore, and it works.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:53

Yeah, yeah, but if she can still text and call, you know, send me some memes. If she's still like the communications there, then I can still go with it. But if there's like no communication, she's literally like, who the hell are you? Then she was never a friend.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:06

Yeah, but that's fair, isn't it? That's fair. I kind of just say it's not all black people, but there is like a no no no brother.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:12

It's definitely all black people. Don't lie. It's the whole He said it. I don't know about where you what's your background? Caribbean. Yeah, Jamaica. Yeah, Jamaican. It's asked Wordworst. Oh yeah, Jamaicans are there. Yeah, Wordworst, bro. Listen. Yeah, because I do see if you get a new car, you're what? So you think you're better than us. Yeah, I can't lie.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:31

I've actually thought about like I actually you're like, yo, should I get this car?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:35

Nah, bro. You can't get there. What you get that car, people start asking. That's when it's like, yo, let me. Man, you know, man will start owing you money knowing I'm not paying it back. He's got if he's gonna afford that car, you don't need it.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:46

Bro, I don't even lend money no more because that's what happened.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:48

Bro, man, no, man, not even bro. Listen, I got ram, listen. I went viral. Man, yeah, I don't need to pay him back straight away. He's rich now. But I'm like, I've never I haven't made a pound off the internet, you know. Nah, nah, yeah. I see you everywhere, bro. You're you don't need this little money, bro. This is little money, bro. You don't need this, you're doing bigger things. That's the instant mindset.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:08

Yeah, it's mad.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:08

But I like to celebrate people if they do, but it depends on the person. If they're like, oh yeah, I'm gonna forget you next week, then what do you mean if they don't want to talk to you and stuff? If they don't, yeah, but if they're the type of person where they update you, they don't forget about the small people, okay, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:24

Do you know what I've heard from both of these girls? What it's not a problem as long as you fit my criteria. So it is a problem, but you gotta fit my criteria. It should be if it's and that's why it's not loyalty, because it comes with contingencies.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:40

I hear yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:41

If you got love for someone and they do well, you've just got love for them, they do well. Like it's never a problem.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:48

Yeah, but I think for me, what I heard from it is just basically if you're not if you're no longer actually talking, I don't know how the friendship is there. That's basically what I've heard.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:58

Have you got friends that you talk to everyone I've got friends, yeah, that we might speak once a year. Yeah, that is actually true.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:03

Now, but men and women are different though, like they have to talk. Like, I've got friends like that as well, like once a year.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:08

Yeah, but I just and if we do not have nothing changes, nothing's changed. Right, go on.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:14

No, but again, it depends on the type of person. I have a friend in Sheffield that I only speak to once a year, but like I know that he's always got my back and I've always got his. It's when you're going from speaking to a person every single day to then nothing, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:28

But that's what happens when you level up. If, like, imagine like your friend became, I don't know, a boxer overnight. Now they're training all day, now they're not partying. Now the stuff you used to party, now they can't even drink alcohol no more. Now they're living a different life. Yeah, but they can still respond, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:44

Yeah, exactly. You can still get once a day, no?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:47

Yeah, once a week, man. Some people get busy, bro. Depending on what you're doing, depending on what you're doing, your life gets faster.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:53

If I haven't spoken to someone for like three months, you're not my friend anymore. Because what you don't know anything about my life, I don't know anything about yours. We have nothing to talk about. If you've not checked in, we can't be friends. Like, that's not a friendship, that's just someone I know. I've literally had a whole year though.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:07

Yeah. So so this is the question.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:09

That's not your friend, that's just someone you know. No, they're not. That's someone you know.

Cultural Appropriation, History, And Lines Crossed

SPEAKER_05 1:31:14

So this is the question now. As the person who's doing well that doesn't have the time to check in with everybody three like every within three months, at what point are you allowed to be like, I've got to let that go because of what I'm doing? Remember, you know, we're not talking about dropping people out for fun, we're talking about dropping people out because your life has forced you. So at what point three to six months, then you've got to just be like, yeah, that's it, that relationship's expired now.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:40

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:41

No, no. If I if I was replaced and if I got new friends and I saw them out on the town every night with new mates and Okay, that's different.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:48

That is completely different than what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:50

Yeah, but like that's when you if their schedule's busy, yeah, yeah, and say it's been six months, because I've went not speaking to people for a year, but I still consider them my mates. So if they then decide, oh yeah, it'll be nice to hang, catch up, everything.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:07

But after a year, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:09

But if after a year you think they're your friend, why do they think why are you your friends? Like, what's the criteria of a friendship?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:15

When I meet them, there's literally nothing's changed, and if anything, we've got a lot to talk about.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:19

Yeah, that's how I would look at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:20

Yeah, but do you not think that that's then starting a friendship again?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:23

Nah, like literally nothing would have changed. So to me, if I haven't spoken to someone's changed, like like yesterday, I senior?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:29

If I haven't spoken to someone for ages, I'm like, they're not my friend. They used to be my friend, they're someone that I know, they're someone I respect and I have a conversation with, but they're not a friend.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:38

I actually used to make a list, yeah, of what shit I'm gonna talk about when we next meet.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:43

Yeah, see, see my genuine friends, yeah. They're the ones that will see me now and be like, say you're sexy now, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, but it's not out of there's no resentment in it. It's like, nah, bro, I see you, I love it, you deserve it, da da da da da. And it's like, bro, you know, I'll try to get through, but I know you're busy. Yeah, I can see it, bro. I'm watching it, and I love that for you. Do you get what I'm saying? That's real friends. Them ones will never be outgrown. Yeah, but then it's the other ones that's like, rah, you're moving different. Yeah, they're the ones, like, uh, do you know what I'm saying? Three months. You can't check up on me. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, you can't check up on me, bro. I'm clear, you can see that we're busy now. Like, it's different. Do you get what I'm saying? Because it does get different. It does. Like when you start progressing, it that's the it has to change. That's the whole point of the progression.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:29

But I just feel like if you wanted to speak to someone, you would.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:32

I kind of I hate what you're saying, but if they like.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:34

I'm just saying it's happened to me and literally nothing's changed.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:36

Like, even I can be so so busy. I've got like four jobs, I've obviously got a house, I've got family, friends, whatever. I can message them and say, Look, I'm so sorry, I've been a really shit friend recently. Let me know when you're through. Yeah, fair.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:48

Okay, fair point.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:50

But then I've got people that I used to be really close to, they would class me as a friend. I was like, tell me something about my life. And if they can't tell me, if it's not on social media, if they can't tell me something about my personal life, that's not a friend.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:04

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:05

Anything else?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:07

Um, where do you draw the line between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation?

SPEAKER_04 1:34:14

I don't think there's no line, I just think that people are just little bitches and they're just moaning about shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:19

Personally, nah, nah. I've I've definitely there's definitely insensitivity, like there's definitely uh uh like you lot are taking the piss. Can I have an example? Blackface, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:31

But that's not even cultural, and that's that's take that's actually taking the piss, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:34

That's the first thing I've got to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:35

Yeah, but that that is jest though. That actually is someone trying to take the piss. I'm talking about like when like when a white person wears braids or likeface, huh?

SPEAKER_05 1:34:43

There's white face never seen whiteface. Yeah, bring it up, bring it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:48

And did whiteface, I'll show you now.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:51

Bro, there's what listen. There's a whole movie on Whiteface, bro. It's what it's called White Chicks. Switch that round, switch that around, that running.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:04

How up be honest, hold on, hold on. Don't tell me how old the film will be. Is that we're gonna go hold on. No, it's not about how old the film is. Okay, go on. First of all, I want to pick up the 90s.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:13

Yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:14

Anyone that grew up in the 90s, it was the sickest time to be alive because everyone was cool. Do you get what I'm saying? But if we switched it round and done uh black chicks and and it was it depends who done it. The Wayans are allowed to do that, bro. Why? Because they are comedians, bro, from LA. Like, do you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:35:31

If we had who's who's like sick white comedians, I'm gonna tell you because someone done a poster, yeah, and it was Jim Kerry, and um who was the other guy. Someone made a post and everyone had that outro?

SPEAKER_05 1:35:42

No, there was never outro for that. No, no, it's called black chicks. I would love that. Man needs to see that.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:46

But I'm saying I'm saying they had an outrage. There was an outrage.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:49

I don't believe there was outrage for that. Was it actually an outrage for that?

SPEAKER_04 1:35:51

Yes, bro, it went viral. Are you sure? Someone made a post, the white chicks, Jim Carrey was one of them, and I can't remember the other one. Obviously, it's not real.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:58

Yeah, and you know, so so this is another part of the see like, right. So see, with the why there has to be like a line with this thing, is because some people done terrible things to other people, so it's now it's like, bro, like you ruined your chance of doing the cultural appropriation stuff. Because here what, bro? If you go to Tokyo, Japan, they have yard dances over there, bro. They have whole dance hall scenes where these men love and appreciate the culture, and it never feels bitter because guess what? You didn't put the man them in chains and changed my surnames. I do coming from that point of view, everyone else can do it, not you lot though.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:40

No, but okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:41

You lot made words about us that we still use today. Do you know what I'm saying? So it's like there's a couple people that it's like.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:48

So these people you're talking about, yeah, yeah, that deal with chains and stuff. Yeah, yeah. They had a product, they had a product, right? So the who sold the product, but they stole that, bro. No, no, they didn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:04

You know what? Who sold the product? There's parts to it, bro. There's there's like some people sold it, but it was like, remember, like it was there's a lot, like that's a whole nother podcast. I've read a book on this, bro. Yes, but yeah, this that that that this conversation is a whole and I would love to do it though, yeah, but it's a whole nother conversation. But I just want to call it. Because there's there's multiple sides to that. Just to be clear. Like who wrote the book? Do you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:31

Just to be clear though, I just want to picture. Let's go into a safe space. They call they call them the red, they call them the red coats, yeah. I'm talking in cold, yeah. Yeah, the red coats, yeah?

SPEAKER_05 1:37:42

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:42

You know what the red coats are?

SPEAKER_05 1:37:43

Yeah, the red coats. I just want to be clear. That's the south, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:46

No, no, no. Red the red coats as in like they were the guys putting the guys in the chains and red coats, yeah. You know what I mean? With the mosquitoes.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:52

So you believe that the red coats and the mosquits were chasing down.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:57

No, I believe that they were paying man from that lot to capture man from that. Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I but I don't believe that the man them that was getting paid to capture them lot knew what was about to happen. And I believe that other men were getting taken as well, bro. Nah, some people obviously were, but you gotta remember, like, like we're gonna go into this now, but I remember sitting bull and them man, yeah, they got wiped out in the process as well. I just remembered that. Like, there was a lot of so even a culturally appropriate in them lot is dark, bro. Like, this is how I know. I'm just gonna I'm gonna move on.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:29

This is how I know that it from for the most part they were being sold, right? If you've watched the root the film Zulu, yeah, I'm telling you, them and there weren't cleaning up no one, they were getting sold by the same guys. Because the Zulu is boss to them up without guns. I didn't watch that film. Without guns, so you can't tell me that they was rounding anyone over the room.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:51

You gotta remember, but you gotta remember it's tribal states, isn't it? So, like you gotta remember that as much as we look on the map and see Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, yeah, like that's not even real. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, now everyone was beefing. It was like Europa House, a Delta, yeah, uh Maroon, Ashanti. It was different tribes, in it, that now being locked into one place. Do you get what I'm saying? It's like saying you got Brummies, uh Leicester's, whatever, Mancunians, Scousers, and they all in this one island, but we're putting them as in like it's not there's different ends, bro. I hate what you're saying, there's different cultures in that one place, so maybe not all friends doing it. Yeah, so different people were beefing different people, and these lot came and was like, hey, what yeah, take these straps and capture them, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's a choice though. But but even though that happened, yeah, bro. What happened after?

SPEAKER_04 1:39:36

No, 100%.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:37

You know what I'm saying? You can't now. But we can have now we can talk to you. Now we've got a problem with the culture property. No, now there's a problem. That's and that's the only reason there is because anyone else that does it, no one really has a problem with them, bro. When um Ali G and their man was doing it, bro, there was no issue with that. We'll sort that out. Alright, we're gonna be on to that.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:56

Well, the last thing if you had a great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandad that Don Ton Hobo. Things would you still want to be take like taking accountability for it? Depends what he's done. He killed a lot of people.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:09

You still want to you still want to suffer for his consequences?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:12

Wait, wait, what do you mean suffer?

SPEAKER_04 1:40:13

So that people are still taking out on you. Oh, your granddad done this. Did I benefit from it?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:17

Yeah. Then it's what it is, isn't it? If I'm still gonna be benefiting from it, then yeah, bro. So you're still happy for people, yeah, bro. Even though you was nothing to do with it. But if we did that shit, like no, what do you mean? If I carry that house of surname, bro. Alright, come on. Like if I'm from the house of if I'm from the house of Gucci, okay, cool. If my great great-great grandad was Gucci, you think I'm not gonna be out here Gucci'd up? Like, of course we did that shit. Okay, so if my great great-great granddad was a slave master, for example, and I'm now still and I'm now sitting in my manor in Dorkshire Manor in this big yard that we got of slave money. Yeah, I did that shit. If you hate me, you hate me, but that's what they done, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 1:40:53

Fair, that's fair. We we can get deep into that.

Sperm Bank Lawsuit, Ethics, And The Child

SPEAKER_03 1:40:55

Yeah, that can be another another episode. Last thing before we move on. Alright, so this is just the last thing. Just want your opinion on it. So I'm gonna play this. I'll I'll read it out first, then I'll play it. So um white bear but bear in mind the sources here sat here set up. So I don't know if it's credible or not, but we're gonna we're gonna laugh and do all the other things. White lesbian couple sue sperm bank for giving them a black man sperm producing a biracial child. The child on the photo is not the child of the complaint. It's a cute ass kid.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:26

I was about to say a very cute kid.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:29

Basically, we can no longer talk to you anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:31

Jennifer Cramblade was about five months pregnant when she caught the sperm paint, hoping to get more vials so her same-sex partner could also get pregnant. But she would end up getting the shock of her life when she was informed that someone in the office misread the handwritten number as donor 330, a black man, and not 380, the blonde-haired blue-eyed man that she was hoping for.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:54

She said, Well, we sent you 330, as in maybe I got my donor number wrong, and I said, No, I I know what donor number I want. I've been looking at this guy for now almost a year that she got back on the line with me and um just asked me if I we had requested an African-American donor because that's so sad.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:13

It's a general crash.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:15

No, no, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:22

Accountability. I'm not gonna go into women and accountability, but just funny enough, this is a woman, and we're talking about accountability. You're a lesbian, you have to buy a sperm from a man. You've gone to the shop, you've got the wrong badge. You've given birth, there is a whole baby. There is a baby, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:47

No, but they gave her the wrong one, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:49

That bruv, I hear that. I hear that, bro. But you've had a child, which is half of your DNA. So you've had the child you weren't hoping to have, but you've had this child. Now remember, you know, your actions of you get me, you you you wanted to have a child without sleeping with a man. So you went and done some new this is why the future's fucked. So you went and done this new shit and had this child, and it didn't go how nature intended it to go, because there was nothing natural about it, and you're upset. At that point, you need to ask, look in the mirror and be like, what do I do? I do never, I'm never gonna be like, what you do is go on TV and be like, I'm suing them for my child because this child is alive now, bro. That this child, you're still gonna raise this child, no? You can still sue them, bro. You sue in quiet. Bro, if I went to the shop and I'm like, yo, listen, I want to yellow Urus, send me a blue one. Bro, you sue because I can't get a refund. This is a child, there's a there's a life here. There's a life. I hear the seriousness of it. There's a life, bro. There is now a baby that is she can now see for the rest of her life that she uh mum hates that she's half black. Yeah, but that's insane. That's I don't that the kind of trauma that that causes is irreplaceable. I'm never gonna be again for that.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:02

I hear that, but isn't that isn't that still like are people not allowed to want races with their own race? Like, I don't think I don't see a really big problem with it.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:11

A big problem with what wanting what you want. Yeah no problem wanting what you want. No, I mean like that one and the black baby, but you get it but you get what you get. You want what you want, but you got what you got. Yeah, but that's a mistake, though, and the side. I hear that, but but you have to live with you, literally have to live with that mistake. Yeah, that's why she's suing. Yeah, but I think it's I think it's very um, I think it's horrible. I pray for that child that they never see that video.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:36

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:37

That child never feels um, never feels any sort of hate because like that's a hard life. But what would you do though?

SPEAKER_04 1:44:44

Like what okay, obviously I'm assuming it wouldn't happen with you, but like let's say, I don't know, let's say you woman couldn't have a child, or I don't know, you can't have children, and then obviously you go to pit because that's the only option, or that or adoption, and then obviously I hear what you're saying with other stuff, yeah. And then it was like, I don't know, a Chinese baby game, like you just carry on as normal, you wouldn't say anything to um I wouldn't go on TV.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:07

I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't let any I wouldn't let anyone know fair apart from my inner family that this is not what was meant to happen. Fair point because I still have this is still my child, and I still have to raise this child, and I still have to love this child, and I'm going to, but I can you can give me any colour child in the world, bro. It's a child, bro. It's got half my DNA as well. It makes no difference to what came out. Do you get what I'm saying? It's my child, bro. You that's what I say. You got two women that had to find a man's DNA to have a child. Of course. This is what's happened. Guess what? You play with God and life, you get this is what happens, in it. Do you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:40

Alright, she wants to go, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:41

What what?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:42

So, yeah, obviously they found someone else's sperm, but like again, as you said, if the woman can't have a kid, or if like it's two gay dads or whoever, like, and they want a kid, then I don't see why it's a problem to go out and find sperm. Yeah, I I completely agree with all that. I don't think they should broadcast it everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:06

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:07

No, because it's not fair on the kid. Yeah. But no, like I agree I agree with everything you're saying, but like going out to the sperm bank and I just want to clarify, I don't really agree with that.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:18

Well, I'm just talking about the the I'm talking about the just the topic in general.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:22

Right, let's just say for me, yeah, I can have kids and my partner can have kids. So something like this can't happen to me. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, this couldn't happen to me. So when you go and do things in alternative ways, this could this is this couldn't this only happen because it could happen. Yeah. Do you get what I'm saying? And remember, nothing happens that can't happen. Yeah, so this isn't a problem I'd have to worry about. But I believe when you're doing things, you need to understand what you're doing. Do you get what I'm saying? It's like, and it's back to accountability. You need to understand what you're doing. It might not go the way it couldn't have been the cut, it could have been something else. Do you get what I'm saying? There's loads of things that could have happened because you've gone a different way. Not that there's anything wrong with it, just be aware of the consequences of what you're doing. This could happen, and it did happen. So the way that you deal with it now, I I would like to see more grace be taken with it. Because everyone's adults and people made adult decisions.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:24

I do I do understand what you're saying, but for me, like we live in a time where you can do that, right? So essentially, you're purchasing something, and if the people you're purchasing farmers made an error, and especially it's as big as what you're saying, this is life-changing now. I don't think there's an issue suing, to be honest. I get what I do understand what you're saying. It's on natural. I don't think there's an issue suit.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:44

I don't I listen, I want to make it clear. I don't think there's an issue suing. I would sue, yeah, but I'm not going on T because remember, the priority the what's the most important thing in this whole thing? The child.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:56

Yeah, I hear that.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:57

But I'm saying so everything has to be done knowing that the child remember, you know, these are people that couldn't have a child, you know, and they prayed for a child, you know. Yeah, 100%. Do you get what I'm saying? And they now have a child. Now you've gone on TV suing.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:08

But why if that helps with the channel? You know what I'm saying? Why that helps with the case though? Because that can be the like it's a very high-profile case. Media helps because it helps with like the jury and things like that. So, like, I'm looking at it from all angles.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:19

I I understand what you're saying. The same, the same reason, the same reason why I would advise um people from like OnlyFans and like do putting sexual videos of yourself on the internet is it's nothing to do with you, it's about who comes after you. Children are the future, children are important, children need to be protected. I agree with that. Children, we're living in a world where I promise you, this is a prediction I've got. This will go on camera. The world that we're creating now, the children that are coming next are going to have a lot of problems and a very hard time navigating this world because of the decisions that we're making now. So that is an example of a decision that was made then that a child in 15 years may see, and it shapes them their whole value. Imagine growing up, and this is what your mum, who's your remember, who's your mum to you? Yum is your everything. Yeah, I understand. And you've seen your mum. Yeah. Like, bruv, like, I didn't want this man. I I went to buy that man, and now we're suing, and you're the child. I hate, I hate. Like seeing that is crazy, bruv.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:24

Like the seeing that is insane. Alright, we're gonna wrap it up now. Um I do, I hate, I hate what you say.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:29

But I would, like I said, I would sue, but there's a way to- Why do you needed to go public to sue? I wouldn't, then I wouldn't. Alright, fair. That's fair then.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:35

But I feel like you could go public and do it still in a dignified way. Like that woman was fully like bowling her eyes out crying. That was bad, bruv.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:43

She's she's just short that she's got what she's got. Jeremy. Whereas like you could still go on TV and go look, and you could say literally what you said. This has happened. This isn't what I asked for.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:55

We're gonna sue, but I'm still gonna love my child. Grace, yeah. That's it. Like, I think that in the world, like everyone just needs to do things a bit more gracefully, bro. Um, we live in a crash out world, like, where it's but if that was clickbait, do you know what I mean? Like, and it never needed to be done like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:11

I fair. All right, um, tell me how you think the went the show went, and um blogging in social media, with yourself, we ending the show now.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:20

Show me well, uh and my Instagram's just because Lauren.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:26

Okay, yeah, I think the show went really well, had some really good topics, um, and socials is Megan Brody.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:34

He's definitely red pill. We figured it out, it took me a while. We got there and then he's one of the red pill. I would say I have you though. Yeah, you know what though, it's not because you're not mad with it. Yeah, no one thinks he's we don't think he's over there hating women. Yeah, but um, it was a very good conversation. Um, I like good conversations. I like looking at things from different angles, so yeah. You gonna get me back on there?

SPEAKER_04 1:50:57

Yeah, of course, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:58

We'll do it again.

unknown 1:50:59

Different kind of profile.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:00

Yeah, different. We might talk about the um yeah, we're gonna go into that.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:02

The red coats. Yeah, yeah, let's do that. I would you know that would be a very I would love to do that. Yeah, we'll do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:07

I've got another guy who wants to go and do talk about that as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:08

Yeah, yeah, let's let's look in for like early new year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different profile, different profile, different profile, yeah. Yeah, um, all platforms, the Kelso show, uh, that's the Kelso, K-E-L-S-O show, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Twitch, everything, every single platform. I'm not active on all of them, but you know what I'm saying? It's not hard to find me. Big up, man. Thank you for having me as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:34

Um, we're ending there. Listen, we've been recording for like almost two hours now. Make sure you subscribe to the channel, I ain't gonna do no longer. In after, that's the end of the show. Peace.