Adonai Dieu: Why He Left Daniel Loveless Behind — The Real Story | The Corie Sheppard Podcast

Adonai Dieu — formerly known as Daniel Loveless, the creator of the viral Caribbean street show “What Yuh Know”— joins us on The Corie Sheppard Podcast for a powerful, transparent, and transformational conversation.

In this episode, we explore his full journey:
• Growing up and building one of the Caribbean’s biggest digital brands
• The rise of What Yuh Know and the pressures of fame from age 17
• Identity, purpose, mental health, and the emptiness that success couldn’t fix
• His public name change to Adonai Dieu
• Why he walked away from his old life and old identity
• Becoming a devout follower of Jesus Christ
• The spiritual shift that changed everything
• What’s next for him, his platform, and his mission

This is one of the most honest and deeply human stories we’ve shared — a conversation about transformation, faith, reinvention, and the courage it takes to start over.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Opening And Guest Introduction
• 2:05 The Public Name Change And Its Meaning
• 6:30 Early Life, Fitting In, And Adopting “Loveless”
• 12:10 From First Job To Self‑Taught Photographer
• 16:45 Birth Of “What Yuh Know” And First Viral Hit
• 22:40 Rethinking The Format To Uplift People
• 27:20 Chasing Celebrities, Global Travel, And Emptiness
• 33:00 Shifting Behind The Scenes And Financial Strain
• 38:20 The Spiritual Call And Accepting Christ
• 43:15 The B&H “Jesus” Sign And Full Surrender
• 47:50 Deleting Content And Starting Fresh
• 51:30 Handling Critics, Church Culture, And Conviction
• 56:10 Celebrity Interviews, Politics, And Fan Energy
• 1:02:00 New Mission: Testimonies And The Joe Show’s Focus
• 1:07:20 Mutual Inspiration And Closing Reflections

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:01

You know what I mean? Yeah, so let's try that. Welcome to the Corey Shepard podcast. My name is Corey Shepherd. Welcome back to everybody who's been listening. Thanks for everybody who's been tuning in. And today I have a guest who has been a great inspiration for this show. I don't know if you know it yet. A great inspiration for this show. Thank you for saying that, Corey. And somebody who I've patterned myself after in many, many ways. Yeah, and an idea.

SPEAKER_01: 0:24

Hi, thank you so much for having me. Everything good. I appreciate it so much. Congratulations on the on all the amazing work. You've actually inspired me as well. So, yeah, yes, I'm so I'm so happy to be here.

SPEAKER_02: 0:36

I can inspire you to change your life because my life ain't changed much. You know, I had to tell people that uh everybody was surprised when they saw the announcement about the name change. Because again, in my family, I was telling you before we start, my wife and son are huge fans.

SPEAKER_01: 0:49

I can't tell you how much time thank you, Zachary. Yeah, what about you?

SPEAKER_02: 0:53

Oh man, you just swallowed this fella head taking on he turns superstar. Yeah, but yeah, we watched the journey. I personally have watched your journey from a long, long time ago. Not for not since St. Mary's men watching it and thing, but you know, for a long, long time. So I'm happy to have you here, brother.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10

Thank you, and thank you for the grip reduce as well. A special shout to David Wells. Yeah, David has an amazing job behind the scenes. David is an intense guy. You got the grip, um, the grip reduce. So thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21

When you tell me that, he told me he's on the way to Kern is a cut grip, fruity self. He ain't easy, you know, he ain't right here. You know, that David fellow. But let me start with today, now, brother. I know that um, as I said, I'll tell you as we go along how many different ways you've inspired me over the years. But the the the newest journey is the one that people have a lot and lots of questions about. Yeah, and the name changes. So out of the blue, we pull up Instagram a day, and you know, it's a funny thing where somebody becomes such a part of your life, you don't know, you're seeing them on social media, and so if you don't know where nobody's going through, you don't know what they're doing. And it's only when you came to make the announcement, I say, but wait, we really didn't see a video in a minute, you know, and you you're one of the most consistent people online for sure. Thank you. It's a point for your glory. So when I see it, I say, but what is happening? And you announced it. So what was it like having to do the announcement?

SPEAKER_01: 2:09

Um, it was a bit difficult because I made the decision behind the scenes, you know, for a little while before I actually um told anybody publicly about it. Um so it was a it was a little difficult to do until one day I just decided, you know what, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna, you know, come out and just tell people tell people about it. You know, I decided to dedicate my life to God and keeping him in the center of all things that I that I do. I gave my life to Jesus Christ. And um that was the reason, you know, for for changing my name and just walking a different path. I decided that I wanted to close the chapter of my whole life and you know, just walk into something new. And it's something that I've always wanted to do. I've always wanted to legally change my name. I've always wanted to just relinquish everything that I knew of the past and just walk into a new chapter. So here I am walking. Yeah, yeah, certainly in a new chapter today.

SPEAKER_02: 3:01

Because you gave your life to the Lord and you come amongst sinners now.

SPEAKER_01: 3:06

That's exactly what Jesus did, you know. He didn't he didn't come for the righteous, but he actually came, he came for the sinners, you know. So he's in the right place.

SPEAKER_02: 3:14

Yeah, that is for sure. So, how long would you have been on that journey before you decided that you needed to announce it?

SPEAKER_01: 3:21

I think for a very um for a very long time, God has been calling me. He has been calling me, he has been sending me a lot of messages, he has been knocking, Jesus has been knocking. A lot of people have told me about Jesus, I've seen a lot of things about him, I've heard a lot about him. Um, but I just ignored the call a lot, you know. Um, I don't know why. But I was enjoying life, you know, just on my terms, crafting life how I wanted to craft it. Leaning much on my own understanding and being um very happy about all the things that I did on my own. Um however, it's like that just started to become a lot unfulfilling, and that's what led me to Jesus. But it was a long journey, you know, getting here. So I wouldn't even say that it's a one-year journey or a six-month journey. It's a journey that I've always been on.

SPEAKER_02: 4:14

Yeah, lifetime. Yeah. How which you want to get into that unfulfilling part, but what would have caused you? Because I know a lot of people, including myself in my Victory Heights days as a young fellow in this and my church camp. Yeah. Yeah, I give my life to the Lord immediately. I might have taken back. But I gave my life to the Lord back then. But I never felt like I needed to change my name. I guess for me, a big part of my name, I'll give you an example, right? A part of what I battle with a lot is my African heritage and origins. And I feel like sometimes, should I change my name? You know, you have the sometimes you're reminded that you have the name of ancestors that weren't very friendly to us, you know. We we were handed names of slave masters, yeah. And I wonder sometimes, can I change my name? But then when I consider it, it feels a little bit of a departure from my identity, my parents, you know. And now I've gotta name this podcast after myself. So I really selfish questions here. Yeah. So I always consider it, and I consider like what it's gonna be like now if I build this name. Yeah. And outside of branding or social media, your name, I I'm I personally so attached to my name. So, what was what was the impetus for you to change your name?

SPEAKER_01: 5:18

Um well, firstly, I've always wanted to. I've always, you know, even when I I got into um, you know, born Daniel Roberts and then adapted the the the name um Loveless. It's a name that I adapted in secondary school because of the need to fit in with with people and my peers. I'm an intelligent guy, and I was gonna say that I was always intelligent, but I don't like saying was. I'm still intelligent, you know. It shows. I'm an intelligent guy, but that didn't um that didn't add a lot of um credit to me in in secondary school and and growing up. It didn't seem like being bright was an asset. No, it's hamper more than help sometimes. You know, brands was the cool thing in my days, you know. Um and when I started secondary school and social media began on the rise, where where I was from, everybody would create these different names. It was like Star Gill, this, Star Boy, this, you know, everybody would alter the names a bit. And I altered my name, you know, to fit in with a crew at that time that was cool, you know, the Loveless crew. And I wanted to be a part of that crew. And and that's when I changed my name, and that's when people started to like me. That's when, you know, on Facebook you could have posted a status, and I would post these different funny statuses, and people would like these statuses, and I I I altered myself in some ways to be a clung to fit in.

SPEAKER_02: 6:46

Let me ask you this the name loveless, yeah. Like Loveless, what was the original crew? You know, I didn't even know.

SPEAKER_01: 6:52

It was it was just cool. There was like this promotional crew back back, uh, a teen promotional crew called Loveless Promotions, and they would throw these teen parties and stuff, and they were cool. Like so they had the popularity, they had the popularity, and I wanted that popularity badly because as I say in school, always a straight age student, always just you know, I I I sometimes wouldn't even study in school and just like I would just pass everything. I was always just academically inclined, okay, but it didn't work like girls. No, that's not that girl doesn't seem to like me for nothing. Nothing girls that we had liked, right? So, you know, I I thought I needed to be something different. That's where the era started. That's where it all started. But I guess God needed to take me through that to get here. But um, you know, that was the reason for you know changing my name back at that time. And you know, by the time I was on phone five, I had a lot of girls. That's what it happened. Yeah, it happened, and and and then when I completed secondary school, I um I I got a job at web source for one month and realized working wasn't for me. You know, I had a few jobs I work at Caribbean cinemas as an upset there. But but but jobs just wasn't for me. I took my first month's salary um from web source and I bought a camera. I took myself, I'm gonna train myself to be a photographer. So as you get paid, you bust out. I bust out, yeah. I take the money, buy a camera. I wanted to create a self-sufficient way. I always had this self-made idea of make myself into what I want to make myself. Where do you think that started for you from small like your household? You you you know why I think it it started, and I only discovered this recently through an interview I did with uh with an express uh reporter. And he asked me, um, do you think the presence of not having your father in your life made you like that? And I had to go back and live with him. I was like, Yes, exactly that. Like not having a father, although in that time I didn't think it was a difficult thing. But yeah, nobody to tell you that.

SPEAKER_02: 8:51

Well, it's just your life, huh? Remember that when you're small and you're growing up. I grew up with my father and my mother separated, I was very small. So I know life was going by my father for a weekend and coming home. So I remember him asking me a day, maybe just reflecting on his own life. He asked me how it feels to grow up without a mother and father as well. Living in the house then. Yeah, but my response was more like, well, it's great. I could get away from mommy for a weekend every now and again. I just don't know what the comparison. I was actually surprised when I talked to other friends, and I was like, wait, only mother and father is the same house. This is how it works. I didn't, I just did not know. Yeah, so a lot of times what you're saying is just it's just your life, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 9:27

It resonated with you. And and in me, with me, it's just like I look back now and I could see how much that affected me. Like, there was nobody to say, like, you know, son, I'm proud of you. It's one thing for a mother to say it, you know, and then and then mommy was. I think I got my ambition and my drive from her single parent. She's getting up early every day, she's in discipline, she she grind her way out of like poverty, you know. She she once even lived in a pig style. You know, she shared that story with me. And she worked out of all those things, bought her own home, bought her own car. So I got that drive from her. But I mean, at the same time, I mean she did her best, but she she can be a father, you know. So there was no one to teach me a lot of things, and you know, school grew me up in a sense. And then when you go into school and you realize fame is the currency, that that's that's what I relied on to keep me going, to give me a sense of belonging, to feel cool, to feel like I fit in, to feel like proud of myself. And just kept going and kept going and kept going.

SPEAKER_02: 10:31

Yeah, so you got attached to that name Loveless. You feel you couldn't achieve those things, the fame would as Daniel Roberts, you get evidence that Loveless was gonna take it in.

SPEAKER_01: 10:39

Yeah, got the evidence, it was working. I mean, my phone five. It was working, it was working. My phone five, yeah, I had ladies and a lot. Yeah, David organized a name change for me immediately. I had the ladies and a lot, and from there upwards, just is like, yeah, wow. You know, I look back and I just give God the glory because he has allowed me to see so many things. I was even thinking about him back then, you know, completed secondary school, I got into photography. I I worked my way up into photography, you know, even at one time being the photographer for Marshall Montano. I see being the photographer for Bungie Girl, and it's like every field that I touch, I reached the pinnacle of it. And you said you were self-taught in photography, yeah. YouTube, yeah, YouTube learning about secure, and it just keeps you know, um, upgrading equipment and learning more, and then I was able to buy my first car with the photography. And so, how did it advance?

SPEAKER_02: 11:38

So, for you you learn to do photography, how are you reaching to the point? Because you call names here that people are not accessible, yeah. So, how it reached, what was your was your first step into photography? Where's taking pictures of and who?

SPEAKER_01: 11:48

Well, I started um I started shooting for free to build a portfolio. So I'd do these pictures with these like models, people on Instagram and stuff, and um, I would build the portfolio from there. I would also offer my services to clubs for free. So I would I would go to like Vast Night Lounge and Ross Coes and these types of places on the avenue and take pictures for free until eventually I got my first paid gig at Coco Lounge on the Avenue, and I was I was getting like 300 per night to come out and take pictures. Just of the patrons, people, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just of the patrons, just walk around and take pictures of everybody, and then they just post of the album on a Facebook page, and people could access the images there, and that and that's how things were done back then with photography. And then being in in these spaces, I then got a job at at Vass as well. Right. So I was working in Coco Lounge and Vass, you know. So I was able to buy my first car from that, and I I met um Bungie and Faye and many people there like Rhodie, and they do these people would come through, and I I took a picture of Bungie Garden and Faye and Lions, and they loved it, and they hired me for a carnival season to work with them, and that's how I was able to work with them, and I was able to So just following them taking pictures or video, video at that point, or just photos? Um, photos, just photos, yeah. I see, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 13:02

Just photos, yeah. And go ahead, yeah. No, I was just gonna ask if that your Facebook page, the following must be building as you post more photos, that is where the following started building, really.

SPEAKER_01: 13:11

Exactly. But what happened simultaneously at that time was that I was attending a a church in my area, the Malabar Church of God. And one of the youth leaders in the church told me that I um had a good personality because at that time I would still try to fit in, I would still try to be the star of everything. And he said, you know, he he he had this idea for a street experiment that we could go out on the streets and we could ask people some questions, and we could probably call it what you know. And I was like, the gay name of everything. I was like, you know, it's sound like a good idea. We can really probably call it what you know. Let's try it. Right. And a carnival Saturday 2016, we went out to the streets of Port of Spain and did the social experiment. In the midst of me being a photographer, um, not knowing that I would go on to be my career, and we went out and I remember him just handing me the mic, you know, because he he was he had experience in cameras and stuff being the leader in church. And he handed me the mic, and I was like, you know, Trinidad and Tobago, this is your boy, and he's out here in Port of Spain. So this is your first time. This is my first time really he just had me the mic, and I was like, whoa, you know, not even having experience in having my own show or whatsoever, right? But you know, I just took the mic, I was like, yo, it's your boy, we out here in Port of Spain and we're gonna see well what they know. And and we went out, and that was the that was the start of what you know, and I remembered not thinking that it would really go on to be anything. At that time, I couldn't video edit. I see. So he sent it to one of his friends who edited it and returned it in like two months. And when I saw it, well, you know, you had something.

SPEAKER_00: 14:47

I was like, Yeah, I'm like I was like, you know what? We get it, we get you.

SPEAKER_01: 14:52

We get you. I run to my neighbor, Nasim. I was like, Nasim, bro, look at this, this look at it, it's so funny. And he showed it to his parents, showed it to my mama or so, and I just posted it up on my Facebook page at the time. Daniel Loveless, and instantly in one day, 500,000 views.

SPEAKER_00: 15:10

Serious? Yeah, but it went to that immediately quickly, it was like wow.

SPEAKER_02: 15:16

What kind of questions you had? Something it was the same type of what you know, like about the country and that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01: 15:21

Yeah, it was like, you know, national birds. Who was the first prime minister, who was the first president, um, like that. And it's like, wow, that was my first taste of like fame. It's like a drug, yeah. It's like, yeah, I was like, we get through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get through here, and you know, I was still doing my photography, but what I noticed was that while taking the pictures, people would want to take pictures with me while I take pictures of them. It's like, damn, you know, probably something happened, something happened, you know. And the and the owner of us nightclub told me, you know, I like that little thing. Come and do one at the show. I I can I can't remember, yeah, yeah, yes. And he was like, come come and do one at come and do one at Vass now, right? And um, you know, at that time my head was really, really swell. Because listen, I work with Bungie, I work with Feyano, and then you know, when I remember going to our show with them when Marshall and Bungie sang on bust, right? It was that season, and then I'm I met Marshall, and he was like, Hey, what's your no expansion of that?

SPEAKER_00: 16:29

So I was like, Wait, heroes know you know, Marshall knows me, and then I was like, Wait, probably I could be like them.

SPEAKER_01: 16:36

So that even started now inspire me now to want to be on that on that level as well. I feel so good walking in the parties with Bungie and everybody just looking at them, and to some degree I felt like them too, you know. And I was like, you know, probably this could be something, and advanced I did the um I did the second episode of of what you know there. How far apart the two things were? It was probably about a six months apart. Oh, that far apart. Because I didn't think the the the first one, no, you know, because if it was carnival season February 2016, it would have probably been within the same period. I see.

SPEAKER_02: 17:16

And um I did it inverse, and it it it it it worked. Let me say something. I've seen people do videos like those, like around the world, where people were asking questions, random questions that people should know. Let me put it like that, right? But I've never seen anything quite like how you did it, and I've never seen anybody do it in Trinidad before. You had examples that you was following when you did it, none.

SPEAKER_00: 17:40

I just went based on his so you're not expecting some of the answers you get.

SPEAKER_01: 17:45

I'm not expecting nothing. Like, I just like and then I went out with this, and you know, I tend to say like this was the creation of the of the mask because you know, I I I went out with this extra something, like I would see people and be like, hey, today you could win a thousand dollars because you know that was the creation of the character, the the the mask, Daniel Loveless. You know, it was never truly like me, but I mean it felt cool, you know. I would see people I'm like today, I think about you when I wake up, you winning a thousand dollars today, and you know I would I would hype up people like that, and um that was the start. I mean, with the second one I created a Facebook page, and the followers just listen to me. I there was no influence, I don't know what to do with myself. I don't know what to do with myself.

SPEAKER_00: 18:33

All these I joined the gym one time, I started because I don't have rebel for the ladies. I thought the man was saying you look good on camera as ladies. Yeah, I find he's looking too big in the camera. Nah, I joined the gym there one time. Is old 17 years old was the first time I had that encounter, you know, 17 years old.

SPEAKER_01: 18:58

Yeah, boy. Yeah, boy, you're gonna try that now, right?

SPEAKER_00: 19:00

Yeah, boy, 10 years ago. Wow, it's nice to reflect on it, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 19:04

Of course, I think we must, we must, we must. So I'll tell you, like them early days of what, you know, was the first time I was inspired by you. I'll tell you, I'll tell you these stories as you go along, right?

SPEAKER_01: 19:12

Thank you, Corey.

SPEAKER_02: 19:13

I do remember there was a point in time where it shifted, and you was asking people about spelling words, this kind of thing, and then people would have would spell words all kind of how. Sometimes people type like by vase, you know, a man go, yeah. If you catch me at the wrong time, I can't spell a thing. But um, I do remember you saying at one point in time your mother in reflection was telling you, you know, maybe embarrassing people, or maybe this is are you putting people in the best light? Yeah, what was that conversation like with boy?

SPEAKER_01: 19:40

I had to come in in the face of embarrassment myself because what end up happening was that you know, I so many success, so much success with what you know, and I always did like soccer. Right.

SPEAKER_00: 19:55

So I I say, well, you know, I'm gonna sing my own soccer. Yeah, fentanyl commissioner you go, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 20:01

Yeah, no, and yes, no, I would record these little demos on my phone, uh, a little like soccer songs, you know, and I I would always talk myself out of doing it each year that I did it. And uh, you know, at the height of the career, the heighter my ego, the height of everything. I was convinced Roadmatch was mine. Why the hell not? Yeah, why the hell not? So I I reach out to like some writers, big up Jonesy, music, um, and um Kyle, who produced the produced the Fetting Commissioner song. It's also which one? Kyle Phillips Phillipson? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, and um, you know, they they they helped me come up with based on an idea how they they helped me come up with this Fett and Commissioner song. And you know, I I applied the same dedication that I had with what you know towards the um soccer song. You know, I I went in there in the studio, refined it, we did it, and I I was I wrote my roadmat speech, Corey. Yeah, you wanna give it now that time. Corey, I write my roadmat speech. I remember going to Tobago Carnival before the song released, and I stood up on top of one of the carnival trucks and I looked down at everybody, and I was just thinking in mind, wow, y'all don't know what's coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was coming in like a storm, and I was just gonna mash them up. I write my speech, and then you know, days before Jesus, so I did manifestation, bro. You think it and it happened. Well, you have evidence of life that is happening, yeah, yeah, you know, and I was like, writer, the list of people to tank it was like a Grammy Award. Why not? Why not? Yeah, and then we drop the song was no you expect it, yeah. Pressure, pressure in the club. We don't even had a we even had to go through that, you know. But what still the deal was that I went to perform a Nylon show, and you know, I um mean just trying, I just went on the stage as an opener, do my thing or whatsoever. I feel like, yeah, boy, I mash up the place. Come off of the stage, and um I saw a news page, Danny, Daniel Lovelace hits the stage and uh performs his song Fetting Commissioner, and the mash m up David and them spoiler.

SPEAKER_00: 22:16

Yeah, you passing people for all these, yeah, yeah, you catch up here. I suppose it was like 500,000 views all over the. I was like, where did the people feel about it?

SPEAKER_02: 22:27

Well, I would tell you this like in talking to artists, and you would know too. Yeah, I it almost had to be the attitude if you're gonna create something, you almost had to go into where you're creating, like if it could be the greatest creation. I mean, it's almost where you could do where you go though. So mommy told you about that that that thing with with embarrassment at the time. No, well, what I do is I I run.

SPEAKER_01: 22:46

I was a person who would always run from my problem. So, what I do mid-carnival season, I say, well, we need them in Trinidad laughing at me. So I go go up the islands, because I love me in the islands anyway. So I go up the islands and and and um, you know, at that time I would say, you know, so saved me. I think so saved me before Jesus saved me. And I would say so saved me because I left Trinidad and I went um, I tell myself I was going to one Caribbean island per month forgetting Trinidad. I was kind of like Vex Trinidad at that point in time. So I went to Grenada, all went well. I do what you know, everybody laugh, whatsoever. I went to Belize and I I did a clip and I asked a girl, I say, how many days are there in a year? And she was like, five. And I put out the clip, people was like, you know, we love you here and whatsoever, but you know, embarrassing people and thing, and I feel real bad. I was like, way boy, like the same people I love me, you know, how I could like how I could do this now about it. And I called my mum and I was like, Mom, I said to change the format of the show, you know, you know, to really highlight people in a more positive manner, and um what you think, you know, but it was scary because it's like um I had this format before that was working, and then I'm gonna change it into this format, and it's like I do I don't know how people react. And I just remember going out on the street one day, and I and I and I when I did that interview, I asked a guy, hey, how are you? Good day, having a good day, and we recorded, we rolling, and he started share a little party life, and then we just started talking. It's like that was the interview there, and I was like, Wait, boy, probably I don't need no questions. Probably I could just authentically just engage with people and just talk with people, and and it worked. I put it out and instantly viral. It was even performing better than the previous format, and I went through all the different islands doing that same format. I basically now rebranded myself amongst the different islands and show people like you know, I'm not here to laugh at people, I'm not here to make fun of people, but I'm here to uplift people, and from there I circled back to Trinidad and started to do videos in Trinidad as well. And that was the start of uh something new, and all them times I feel like is where God started knock more, started knock more, and and he started to show me that I could use you for better, I could use you for better, but I was still ignoring him. I was seeing the good things happening, but sometimes you see good things happen, and we still we still ignore the the good works of God, you know. And he keeps knocking and he keeps knocking, and I keep just striving for more and more. And I came back to Trinidad and then I started to do the celebrities, started to interview the celebrities, and I'd write it down, and everybody I'd say, boy, I want to interview Vibes Cartel, boom, Vibes Cartel, I want to interview Marshall, Marshall, David Do and just everything just had to happen. I want to go to China, I'm China, I want to go to Thailand, everything just had to happen, but in the midst of happening, I started to realize like everything just feeling empty, boy. All the things that I want, I get in. I want this amount of money, it comes, I get it. And then I get it, and then it's just empty. I started I in New York, I just walk in there, just feeling lost. I in Barbados. Yeah, by this time you see New World, you see a little bit. I want to interview all these celebrities who I even lookups, and that's the thing about it. I always idolize the celebrities, idolatry, guess is what you call it. I always like wow, and all these people, and then I would meet them one by one, and then after I would still meet Vibes Cartel, and then I'd done a post a video with viral million views, and then I just empty boy.

SPEAKER_02: 26:50

It's a strange feeling there. Slow go and clean up your place, you haven't making nothing, not much do change the reality.

SPEAKER_01: 26:56

Yeah, boy, yeah, and I had to take a break. It was too empty, boy. It was too empty, like everything, everything happening, you know. I would everybody, everybody even liked me too. What I always wanted, like everybody, everybody loved me, like everybody loved me. It's hard to reach a point where it's like things I would I would just message a promoter. I hey yeah, I come into this party, the TDS, send my number plate, send among the tickets, dreams come true.

SPEAKER_02: 27:27

Everything is by well, in them early days, right? When you when you and I know you're saying 17. So when I looking at you, you must be 17, 18. It could be much later than that. Yeah, I do remember people we little older, right? So people um figure out some of the things that you know going through. You just went through life already, right? And I remember people commenting, one person I know well in particular. A girl, I respect a lot, you know. I mean, and she was commenting on their things, saying the same thing about embarrassing people, she finds this and that and that. And I remember messaging her to say, hey, lead a little youth man alone. Yeah, those say because I'm very, very careful, and this is just me. I don't know if it's the right way or the wrong way, it's just the way I try to operate. You see, when you're usable, see you're probably experiencing it now. As you get older and you sort of see different things out of life, it's easy to feel like, okay, I've figured these things out, and it's easy to look at other people and say they should have it figured out. So it just don't work that way. A journey is your journey, and we're still on it. The truth is that you 10 years from now, when you look back at yourself, you when you watch this interview, you say, Oh, God boy, yeah. You know, you'll see things that you you would do very, very different, just life. Yeah, and I remember that's why I say the first time I was inspired because I admired the fact that you you would continue going because I figured I had to figure you see in the comments and you're seeing what people say. But the truth is, if you ain't keep going, how you go find somewhere? What is that genius if you're stuck? Yeah, I keep going, yeah, you had to keep on present. So always remember that that in the face of all the things that people would say, you'll continue to go on. And as I tell you, home by me, I ain't gonna forget you at all. Yeah, because I reach home, she said, Watch this, watch what that is if you know, watch what you know, you know, and some of them really, really stand out.

SPEAKER_01: 29:08

That brings up real, real, real, real bad eyes were way too bad. Like I've had men come up to me and and and and tell me, you know, you know, I was jealous of you. Like, you know, I envied you. It was always like in my home, man, you know, people were saying, and I was like, Way boy, that takes a high level of vulnerability to say what happened. Yeah, I just didn't remember that.

SPEAKER_02: 29:30

But it was there, you you you work your way into it. So, in those in those early days, you seen it as a business, or what you seen it as? Where are you seeing what you know as at a point in time? You you're getting the fame. What were you seeing as your next step?

SPEAKER_01: 29:42

Yeah, well, you know, I I saw it now as my career. I saw it now as well. This is the part that I'm going to use to exploit to earn an income from as early as that. From a yeah, from a yeah, from as early as that. And then I I I was studying a degree in business management at at the University of the Southern Caribbean, which I agree.

SPEAKER_02: 30:01

That's when Junelli says he went to.

SPEAKER_00: 30:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, that me and Junelli went with me in school and stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 30:08

Yeah, yeah. And um, you know, I I I just decided to turn it into a business. And but every time I even think about it, boy, I really need to, boy, to God be the glory, boy. He really, even in the times that I forgot him, he just had a son over my life. And these things needed to happen to bring my right here where I'm at. But answer your question, yes. I I turned it into a business and I started to get a lot of lucrative deals and just started to make sense out of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 30:42

Yeah, this is a selfish question. Time where the deals come from. We need to know who to go and call David. We're not finding out who is. I'll be happy to help you with with insight.

SPEAKER_01: 30:50

Yeah. I figure you would. I figure you would. I like to help people as well, you know. Make him lazy.

SPEAKER_02: 31:00

Yeah, send my interview questions.

SPEAKER_01: 31:04

Yeah, so you started seeing it what brands asking to collaborate to do social media things, or yes, and and I started to create a structure behind the scenes of what I would offer. That's why I always, when when people ask um, how were you able to create you know a successful career and business behind it? It's just like I just created things that I could offer and just added a dollar value to it and just made it make sense rather than waiting for them to reach out to me. So a lot of the things that that that worked out really well for me was me reaching out or me having something prepared behind the scenes and saying, This is what I'm gonna do and this is how much it's gonna charge, and if you're interested, and then just selling it essentially. And then I was always um a good talker, so it was easy to now talk my way into getting these deals.

SPEAKER_02: 31:51

Oh wait, you let me talk about that good talker now because you get people to open up and say some kind of things on camera that I don't feel anybody I certainly never saw it before at that point in time where most people who say they want to do interviews probably going to try to interview people who have no sorority. You see it all the time, yeah. Or who have a you have a niche and they have a specific story. At that time early in the day, you just stopping random people on the street.

SPEAKER_01: 32:12

Random people and they're stopping.

SPEAKER_02: 32:14

You just have a problem getting people on time.

SPEAKER_01: 32:16

Yeah, I've I've I've always had this knack for just like talking to people, for just like just interacting with people, just um, you know, I've always been a good person at knowing everybody else except myself. Yeah, and that's something I have to learn later later on in the journey. Like, you know, I always knew other people and I always learn and hear a lot of things from other people, but I'll never really like take time to just listen, listen to me. But I think it's a it's a knock, it's a it's a gift, and I I I give I give thanks for that.

SPEAKER_02: 32:50

Yeah, yeah, I think you make the best of the gift too. Like I going back to memories of seeing videos of you home by me. I remember coming to us with going the same time, just things that stick in your mind, and I come in and boy, the laugh, my wife and son laughing. Because you had a fella in a remote. I can't remember the man's name now, but every time he asks no question, it's a whole scene every time he answers.

SPEAKER_01: 33:13

It's a blessing, man. I I so I so grateful for the journey, you know. Every time when people ask me about it, like, oh, so you're no longer doing it anymore, and whatsoever, you know. Um do you like somebody messaged me the other day and said, Do you miss the whole life? You know, I embrace it, you know. I embrace it. I I give thanks for the experiences that I had, and I feel very happy and grateful to God for showing me all these things. Yeah. To just bring me to Jesus in the end. Like God is a comedian, yeah. All these different things. I know if it's the end, I know if it's the end, you know. You tend to say the end like it's Yeah, you know, you know, the end for me is is the ultimate answer which I which I came to realize. I've searched for all the answers through people, through celebrities, through idols, through and I just end up with one answer. So I say the end, I don't necessarily mean like the end of life, but just the answer, just the under the seeking part of it.

SPEAKER_02: 34:12

The end of the seeking, yeah. Okay, what you energy is a next way you inspire me a lot because your energy on the road or something else like I always used to watch, and it's like, we smell this do. Oh, you have so much of energy. Yeah, I have this bad habit of looking at people and think this man is my age. Yeah, so it's like this man has real energy, and that and I think it reflected with people when you when they see you on the streets. People, people, yeah, is it's one of them things. I always remember used to I I would watch it, and like you would talk to somebody and put your hand on their shoulder, and it's like, but this man just touching people, and nobody seemed to be too bothered by it. I think people it was an infectiousness to it.

SPEAKER_01: 34:49

Thank you, yeah. So you felt that love from the streets, I did, I did, yeah. And that was a that was a nice thing, you know, to feel, you know. That was a nice thing to feel, you know, the love from people, the validation, the likes. I mean, everybody liked me. It's like, why not? I mean, that was it, that was uh, and that kept me going too. You feel that way now? You feel that way now, like from people? Do I feel that way now from people? It's a good question. Not all the time, however, I don't I don't seek it as my inspiration as I used to before, and that's what makes this time around different. You know, I had the saying in my head that I wanted to post up, but then I said that I go wild them too much. But but when they start any little online comments and things that start started to roll in, I wanted to post up. This is not the fetting commission all in dealing with it.

SPEAKER_00: 35:44

Yeah, it's a man of God, yeah, you know, brother. They can't run your own country again. Sam 91, Sam 91. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God is machine, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 35:56

Is that if it might bother me a little bit whatsoever sometimes or more because I'm a human being, but is is is is not a is not a time anymore, you know. Oh, it's so um do I feel you know loved by everybody? No, but that's how I know I'm doing something right, you know. That's that's exactly what Jesus taught me in the book of Matthew, you know, where he spoke about you know being being blessed when your enemies revile you. Like that's good, like that means you're blessed. Blessed are those who are persecuted, you know. So it's like if you're not persecuted, you're probably doing something wrong.

SPEAKER_03: 36:32

Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_01: 36:32

If everybody likes you, you're probably probably probably doing something wrong, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 36:36

No, every time you say a Bible verse, I'm gonna go with it because I'm telling my mother feel like I know it, right? I'm gonna act like I know that verse. I for mommy.

SPEAKER_03: 36:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 36:44

I saw you know, interview JD and Lisa. So salute to them. They're great, great interviews, great people, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good people. They've been doing they've been doing something similar for a long time, too, you know, telling people stories and helping them to get a little deeper. Because you know, the funny thing is when I saw you do the announcement, social media have a sort of a one-way in a state. Yeah, where you you do what you do, there's a gap between what you record and what you publish that the public mightn't really understand, you know. And then when you put this thing out now, you wait, there might be anxiety around what the response is. But I did see that interview, and I felt like there you got a chance to get a little more into explaining what your choices are. Well, some of the things we're doing now, but where I felt it was an excellent interview is that uh our culture, right, is one where is the same thing you say about fetting commissioner? Yeah, we have a tendency, thank you, David. Uh we have a tendency to wait for people to fall. We'll be like a good faller. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a culture, I don't know, you travel more than me, so you might know if it's a global thing, but certainly here, and maybe now that you're saying this, I really never connected that people who see you laugh at people's spell might be waiting for you more than the average person. Yes, but nobody beats that more than church people. I go say that, right? You don't have to say that church people be waiting for you. When you see your you say when you say you, because sometimes the you moving in silence could be more effective. Because if if I might give my life to the Lord, nobody bone to know. But when you say it publicly like that, I wonder how much the back, I don't want to use the word backlash, but how much is how much how much of that you get it in the community of people who would be godly in church or religious?

SPEAKER_01: 38:24

Yeah, I've got I've I've gotten a lot of it. When you accept Christ into your heart, and the Holy Spirit fills you up, you start to see different differently. And that was one of the hardest battles I had to face very earlier on in coming into it, which led to a lot of over-explanation. And so I'm not going into that, hey, it is me. You don't like it.

SPEAKER_02: 38:43

Okay, so you're done with that. Yeah? You're done with that part.

SPEAKER_01: 38:46

I mean, I would say so. I mean, I would say so. I mean, it's like, you know, a relationship with Christ is a daily thing, it's a daily thing, it's a daily development. Like just when you feel you have it, you realize you ain't have it, and you come to develop more. But at first, I was like real stunning it, like this is my name, man. You know, trying to explain or whatsoever. But I reached a point where I was like, I feel more like even my demon in the interview with JD and Nisa is different here, you know. Because then you see I walked my Bible, I open up my Bible on the table.

SPEAKER_02: 39:18

And I tell myself, if you're walking in a Bible today, David go be in problems, so David could catch your flames if you had walking it today.

SPEAKER_01: 39:24

Because I was scared. I was I was scared, like you've seen all these people saying these things about you online, and whatsoever, you know, so you feel like you know, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 39:33

Yeah, they're going in the lines than they're going in a program now.

SPEAKER_01: 39:35

Yeah, so but it has reached a point, you know, when you when I start to get more comfortable in Christ, I starting to become a lot more comfortable in Christ, comfortable in my own skin, and just you know, just walking as just walking as me, who don't like it, that is a small thing. That is that's okay because Jesus tells me to expect that in the Bible, you know, you even talk about um getting the the kickback from the community, the very church community. When you read the story of Saul who went on to be Paul, you know, who was a persecutor of Christians, when he started to go to all these different churches and favorite the book of Acts, it's like in the very churches where he was getting the the whole back. Some people believe in him, some people didn't believe in him. That's why I love my Bible. It has, I've read many different books, self-help books, inspirational books, manifestation books, and the Bible has gone on to become my favorite book of all of them. You know, because it's just like a guideline for life. So it's like that's what keeps my grounded. And like, yeah, you know, I felt, you know, sometimes in my own church, sometimes I could see, sometimes the stairs I could see in the spirit, you know, this one mightn't agree or this one might, you know, but that is okay. That is okay. What you do, you bless them, yeah, you love them still, you understand. And you read your word, all the answers are are there for me. So it's starting to become a little easier in a sense.

SPEAKER_02: 40:56

Yeah, I guess you accept the change is a big step, I would say.

SPEAKER_01: 41:00

Yeah, thank you, man.

SPEAKER_02: 41:01

Yeah, I think so. And not just this step of giving your life to the Lord. I think it it takes, we see it all the time. We're like, for instance, my father, my grandmother, later in life, later on in her life, we are real Christmas people, every real Pang family, and she had joined Jehovah's Witness Church. I don't know if it's called Kingham Hall. She joined Jehovah's Witness, right? So, of course, now she's not celebrating Christmas no more. Brother, let me tell you something. We laventy rod and sound them time, huh? And it is a very, very awkward time in our family because that is my grandmother. You love your grandmother, wherever she chooses, yeah, you had to respect her. We're done with that, but we like with little parang. So what we had to do now, we leave in home to parang and we hiding quattro daddy and them at the time, you know. Because it helps not decorate. You can't bring a parang there because she don't believe in. But what I saw was how hard and fast she was to everything initially, yes, and how eventually what she used to sort of do now. She gave a little gift Christmas time. She said, I am for Christmas, eh? So, in other words, she finding you because finding your your part, and that's why when you say end, I say I know it's the end. Because it's always a journey, no matter what we find. Yeah, it's it you don't know where it's preparing you for next. And I talk to myself a little bit here, but you never know what you're preparing you for next and where where that next step is. So, as we're talking next steps, I don't tell everybody next time you're inspired by you. This is around one of them kind of interviews.

SPEAKER_01: 42:21

I'm so happy, thank you. To go out with the glory. I I you know I'm really, really happy, you know, before you continue that you were able to be inspired. Like that's something special that I think we are as human beings sometimes. Overlook, you know, to inspire somebody is such a special thing, and you never know what that inspiration could do for somebody, of course. And I'm glad to be, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 42:45

Yeah, and I'm glad to tell you too, because I think sometimes we had to say these things to people. Thank you. So I went to do a thing in movie tongue a time. You remember this, but we met before and worked together. We had a thing in movie tongue where they had given away a car. You remember that? And you posted it.

SPEAKER_00: 42:58

Yes, I remember.

SPEAKER_02: 42:59

It was our company who did the game show, right? So when you were doing the thing in um Fiesta Plaza, they are doing the game show questions. They had you as a game show host with Blue Listening. I was the one control in the game show and talking to you from the little control room, and it's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 43:13

Oh, that's cool, man.

SPEAKER_00: 43:15

Make up you with it.

SPEAKER_02: 43:16

I remember you do a good job because somebody went a card up, it's yeah, boy.

SPEAKER_01: 43:20

And I was in Christ too, eh? Serious, yes, the family was in Christ and church going to be.

SPEAKER_02: 43:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah, it's an interesting time. I don't know how your paths cross with people, but I do remember again. You you follow people and you think you know them. Yeah, because you're seeing them online and then your household, like the man tell you about your wife, right? You're home by me. So when you meet you in person and you might experience this too, sometimes you sometimes the impression you had of somebody, and when you meet them, it could be a very big gap that could leave you disappointed. Yeah, but I admired your work ethic in person. You're they're very, very committed to the thing. You did it like it's the only thing you ever had to do in your life. Which is what you used to do on screen. You used to focus on the people, like them is the only person walking down Frederick Street or New Kingston or wherever it was, yeah. You had that laser thing. So I admired working with you at that point in time and and and and the work that you would do, uh particularly with people. I when it when it started to snowball for you and get into the point where now you're walking the road and everybody knows you.

SPEAKER_00: 44:26

I mean, very, very early on, you know, very only first yeah, first month, first imagine that 18 years old.

SPEAKER_02: 44:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fame could be a dangerous thing at that age, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 44:36

Telling your boy, and then when you start to travel, you will know and you ask you no job, you just money. Let me say this money, like you know, you know, I was just thinking, like, wait, I never really had a job.

SPEAKER_00: 44:50

Like, I was just like your web source in one month, yeah, one month, and when I tell you money, and it's like at 18 and then you're making 20,000 and 10,000, and then like this, all you gotta do is go through the street.

SPEAKER_01: 45:07

This is brought to you by spell at$10,000,$20,000,$20,000, and then no, and then no people saying come here, come here, come here, and then take the money and start a travel, and then everything just people look at you with visa, yeah. Visa one time, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 45:25

I go to my visa appointment with my headband and my visa, yeah. But yeah, my forget the headband visa everywhere, it just oh boy, it it's hard, boy.

SPEAKER_02: 45:37

But at that point, you consider traveling to do it or is only the fetting commissioner thing where you realize you're going to bring it.

SPEAKER_01: 45:43

Oh, you was doing it before. Because fans online said to say, come guy, and I come in here and don't tell me you know if it's one thing, though don't do my comment, don't do my dad, and then people start to say, Um, he'd never make it anywhere. I say, Oh people are saying that right, you know me and I outside that channel, I'd go work here, but don't feel they could go anywhere else. People here saying that, yeah, yeah. I say, oh, and then I was doing my degree, and you know, different professors would tell me, um, because I took a little break before I went back to graduate now. So they would say, Um, you know, oh, you always need something to fall back on. Fall back on nothing. I this will work. I take a break. I think about four years before I went to finish. Eventually we went back, yeah, last year. Because you know, why not?

SPEAKER_02: 46:30

Yeah, but plenty entrepreneurs to that, you know. That that idea of a plan B. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 46:36

Sometimes um never had one, never had one.

SPEAKER_02: 46:42

If plan A and work is more planning, it's more planning, bro. So, where was the first country you traveled to do it?

SPEAKER_01: 46:49

Um, Guyana, no, Canada, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A guy came to Trinidad and um he loved the show, and he was like, Yo, I'ma I'ma bring you up to I'm gonna bring you up to Canada to do the show. I wasn't taking them seriously, but he actually really did to bring me to Canada, and that just opened my eyes. I was like, Wait, so it worked, it was you were just going and saw people on the show. Me alone, too. I went out there alone because the the cameraman I was working with that time didn't get his visa, so I get mine and I say, you know what, but I go in there. So how you do it?

SPEAKER_00: 47:17

You just set up the cameras on the colour, and we're reaching, yeah, and I would teach him my photographer, resourceful.

SPEAKER_01: 47:24

Yeah, I would press press this button, move me, and through that, I just had to run through the world with that, and and I just I just always think about it, boy. And boy, I give God the glory for just take it's like he take my through the whole world and show my everything. And then he put me to sit down your feeling. Feeling good, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 47:48

DMT everywhere. Oh China, yeah, yeah, go Thailand, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go, go, go, go, go, New York, yeah, Paris. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel talking about how it feels.

SPEAKER_01: 48:05

Feeling good, yeah. Cry and go in your bed now. Yeah. You cry and you go in your bed now. You be lonely and you go in your bed now. Yeah. Who, you know? You know, yeah. Oh, you want to meet, you want to see DJ Khaled, you want to meet the boy, everybody, boy. I mean Drake and all. Everybody, yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody. With Khalifa, interview Marshall, interview Davido me, and and then it would just always be this emptiness, boy, Cory, boy. And and that truthfulness comes with it comes just in Christ, boy. And one of my biggest goals right now is just bringing people on to him, boy. To show them that feeling, boy. To just let them feel that feeling and let them develop the relationship with Christ and just to feel the same way I feel. Because I tell you, boy, it's not worth it, boy. Start with David, just that David won't confirm that probably after the interview, who knows?

SPEAKER_02: 49:03

But you say it's not worth it. It's not worth it, man. It's hard to express things like that to people who may be starting off where you start off when you're 17 because you may feel like if it's easy for humans to feel like what you lack. I was listening to a podcast just yesterday, coincidentally, Diary of a CEO, and he had a guy there who was talking about financial freedom and that type of thing, right? And he was talking about money and how how he said that people who spend frivolously have the same problem as people who save and never spend anything. So that was a strange thought to me. Yeah, boy. But what he said was that the issue is that a good way to look at it. Well, I was confused totally the tra I was like, What do you mean? I wish I used to save, you know, like that. But what he said was both of them controlled by money, both of them being controlled by the idea that so he said he's consulted with people in retirement who've saved enough to retire. And with their retirement fund, they could travel the world, they could play golf every day, they could buy Lamborghini, whatever they want, and they don't buy anything because the money has become part of their identity. You feel like your your identity was becoming the likes and the social media thing or the character? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 50:14

It's why I drop it all, and I close the chapter. That is why, like, because it became it. And then when I tried to pull out of it, in that when I started to do all these interviews with these celebrities, started put myself behind the scenes, and that is where a lot of myself work started to happen because it was no longer the pressures to be what you know. So that time was like a real good, it's like a a sort of pruning phase because I now started behind the scenes. I was like training every day, uh fast and uh getting in touch with myself, I doing these things, I would show up, I would do my interviews with people, and I just go back into hiding and you know, and yeah, it was becoming my identity. But when I started to do these celebrities, I started to put other people in the spotlight.

SPEAKER_02: 51:03

So you felt then that it was no longer the pressure on you being any spotlight in the um because in my mind, right, just the way I process it, there it was all these interviews, so I never really felt like you were less in the spotlight, even though you interviewed Marshall Dice. So you felt you felt like you were Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 51:19

Well, my goal was to put them in the forefront and just to put myself like slightly like behind and just put them in and highlight them because that was my way of exiting fame. Like I was I was tired of it, I was tired of showing up as you want you know, guys, yeah, yeah, so excited and whatsoever, whatsoever. So it was so cool to and and and at that time I just wanted to become the best interviewer I could be. The best. I studied, I read, I figured out how to become the best interviewer. Just to listen. Just get them little promise to listen. So the job was easy. I would show up, hey Marshall, how are you going? You good what is keep you going, Marshall? Marshall, how did this feel, boy? And I just listen. So I would do no research to do none of these interviews. David, I done.

SPEAKER_00: 52:17

At that time, the Holy Spirit, I didn't know it was that, but it's just working.

SPEAKER_01: 52:21

I would just show up and we would look eyes, and they were just like poor and poor and poor and poor, and I was enjoying that. That was my way to exit public life. Like that, that was my that was my hack. Because I told myself, okay, well, I could make money, I could travel. And it wasn't even working out too well on the money end because I was spending out over money to buy gifts to people, and it was less profitable as well.

SPEAKER_02: 52:45

Yeah, at one point I was wondering if you had an investment in a perfume brand or something against real people cologne on TikTok.

SPEAKER_01: 52:50

We'll big up, we'll big up them because when money started to run out for me buying expensive gifts and they came on board. That that that helped matter oh, initially you were buying this, yeah. Buying real thing, real expensive cologne because I always want to give my guests the best now, but it wasn't sustainable, so that's why every episode is cologne, cologne, cologne, cologne.

SPEAKER_00: 53:10

There's a lot of more money, right, bro? I don't eat right. Come on, man. No money to buy groceries, but you see how grateful the man was for grapefruit juice, he giving people everything, and he's so grateful for the grapefruit juice.

SPEAKER_01: 53:23

No, no, and that was going that was a hard time too, boy. You know, because you're trying to you're putting other people uh else on the in the spotlight and he giving, and you know, behind the scenes you don't really have. Like behind the scenes, like you had to spend a thousand dollars between like like you have a thousand dollars and you had to decide between okay, should I um should I buy this for like JD or should I buy this for Marshall or should I buy this for Ian Alane and or should I, you know, think something for myself? And most times I'll choose them, you know. So that that used to be that used to be difficult, you know. So um, and that's why like I started to need to take breaks because it's like I was just exhausting myself, like outdoing myself for others. So behind the scenes, I really wasn't, I really wasn't having much now.

SPEAKER_02: 54:08

So that's why I started like So what me I was making money and was just spending all. So how come you didn't do that much?

SPEAKER_01: 54:14

I was just spending, you know, and um at that time I was just so passionate about interviewing people, I really wasn't thinking about the business side anymore. And then I saw so much of money is like, oh, well, I get tired of chasing money too, boy. Like it was it was tired, and I tell you like God, God is an interesting God now. Because here I am now was driven by money all the time, and here I am now just really doing what I love, like out of passion, and and I even feel any drive to chase money anymore. Like, I just used to enjoy just showing up and I would have like five interviews lined up a day, 10, 11, 12, and oh, you're just doing it like that. And everybody just come in and they just you just do your thing and they go on, you know, it might go home broke or whatever, but I wasn't even feeling the drive to do business anymore, and then um, you know, little deals would come here and there, and then I would take that money and reward myself and travel and and get my little escapes. Um and boy, that was just like real unfulfilling, boy, David. Boy, nice David. My bad, corry, boy. He has nice fake, he had nice fake. And um, when I um and when I would come back, people would still always expect Daniel Loveless, they'd always expect him, and it wasn't me anymore, no. It was like I was just fed up at a public life and just fed up for like showing up as this excited, exuberant guy who everybody looking forward to asking questions, and and then all I was doing these great interviews, people were still seeing me for the questions, and I was outweighing everything now. So it's like, yes, I'm doing these interviews with like Marshall and Wendy Fitzwilliam and David, but people still love the what you know brands.

SPEAKER_02: 55:49

So people are asking for that to come back, people asking for that to come back.

SPEAKER_01: 55:52

So every time they see me, and then they would see man, and it's like because I fast and all that, and uh taking care of myself in a different way, my body, you know, con contortion started to look like a different and people say, Oh, you're losing weight, and that just used to be so exhausting because now you're living truly in like who you want to be, but people still expecting you. Because back in the what you know days, I was like, I was like real big now. I used to enjoy that big and very high energy.

SPEAKER_02: 56:19

That's one of the things that I saw changed with the interviews with with with the celebrities, as you say. There was a difference. Um, I never saw it as behind the scenes, so I'm glad you said that because uh now that you say it, it makes sense as you exit in public life there, but it was definitely a lot more tempered, very, very calm and controlled, and it it it it you know, a marked difference from what we are seeing on the street. Somebody who bumps in a YC in movie song, the the energy you needed to even do that, you make that show. I was fed up for it.

SPEAKER_01: 56:47

Serious, I was I was fed up, like I was like tired, and it's like I would grow that being on the streets and trying now, man. And there's like because it was always you're still getting a lot of that now.

SPEAKER_02: 56:56

Like people tell you that when you're on if you if you're good on Frederick Street now, people can tell you ask them something.

SPEAKER_01: 57:01

Um sometimes it happens, sometimes it happens, and then I you know I respect it, you know. But most people have seen the video, and uh and oh, I see, yeah. Most people have seen the video. So they adjust all the video, and they yeah, and they approach me with it with reverence, and yeah, how you going, and you know, I admire the new gym. Oh, that's nice though. Yeah, no, in real life, in real life, I I get no negative reviews now.

SPEAKER_02: 57:23

That's a funny thing, right? Social media versus real life, right? It's a bird, nobody's come up to you and say, Yeah, that interview was terrible, and you know, no, no, it's nobody, but on social media, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 57:34

Oh man, I remember the day after going out. People would have, hey Adanai, that was so brave of you giving your life to the Lord that I'd admire you all the best. People would pray for me, and people over there just send me a comment section sweaty.

SPEAKER_00: 57:53

It's like this one blasphemous it's the devil. Then I stop reading them.

SPEAKER_02: 58:07

Let me talk about an answer. It's in blasphemy. I hear you're talking about it with JD and number one to ask as well when with with choices of the two names, right? So Adenai is Hebrew, yeah. So it would translate in a very strict way, yes, to my Lord God, yes, Dio being French as God, and and and Adenai being Hebrew. You feel like it puts a lot of weight, like something that and I ask you a projecting a little bit here because I would think that if I if I place that as my name, for me it is going to be too hard for me to live up to.

SPEAKER_01: 58:37

No, it places a lot of weight, yes. And then firstly, you know, I've I've always um I've always admired the those two names. I've always admired the name Adonai and Joe. I always had admired those names. And um when I started to get a call and to change my name to that, and I dreamed with my driver's license to say Adonai Joe. And I was like, nah, my god boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I I needed to just see that in reality. This was like this was such a uh a nice moment for me, like going to get my driver's license. Because it's like Corey, I dream this boy. I dreamed this and seeing it in seeing it in in real life was such a oh yeah, so it's on official documents, a beautiful thing, you know, and for me it was like I just wanted to keep God in the center of all that I do after so many years uh success and getting everything that uh uh I thought I wanted and forgetting them. I decided, you know what? Working with God. I decided that I'm walking with God, and then I developed this this deep. Admiration for Jesus Christ. And because I interviewing all the celebrities, so I feel like I had to interview all the celebrities. I always idolized all of them that I interviewed now. And then I meet them and it was empty now. So it's like I run through all the celebrities. And then I realized I never really studied the biggest celebrity of them all now. I never interviewed him. I never learned about him. And I developed an admiration for him. Because he was always calling me. He was always knocking. I would always see things. People always tell me about him. I grew up hearing about him. I was born a Christian, so you know I just know little things from what people say. But I never went and studied myself. And my encounter started with uh admiration for Jesus. I was like, wow, what an amazing guy. Like I would love to be like that. Like I would love to walk in those footsteps. And after that admiration, it went into study. So I said, well, I admire him, but I don't know much about him. I admired so many people. And then my career teach my lot too. Because the people who admire before, I know all about them. Like I can tell him Marshall Brother name. I know all of them so artists, them real name, who the crew is. I know Kevin Hart's wife's name and his whole crew name. You know, it's people I just looked up to over the years. But Jesus, I say, I admire this man, but I know nothing about him. So I say, you know what? I go study him. I will start to study him. So I start to watch some movies, illustrations, but it wasn't enough. So I could learn more about this man, boy. Open my Bible, quarry, I open my Bible and I start to read. I say, Wait, boy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:50

What a guy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:51

And how long this is before you make the announcement that you start reading the Bible? Because clearly you study. Just like everything else you do, you figure it out. It's like if you figure out the camera thing, you went on your own journey. Yeah. How long before you announce it was done?

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:05

I mean, after I accepted him, like the day that I accept him, I started to develop a confidence. And I feel after like two weeks or so I made the video. And we'll get into me accepting him. Because I tell you I admire him and I started study him. Say, way boy, what a guy. And then I changed my name. I didn't accept him yet, you know. I changed my name. I say I keep him God in the center of all that I do. And I was supposed to go to the Caribbean um music awards. And I study him and I study him and I study him. And I met with a friend tonight. And it's so special like here right now, Jamel Hunters is. Oh, there's a man from JD and them. Yeah, yeah. And Jamel has always told me about Jesus Christ over the years. Accept him, man. He always had truth once at our Bible. And then, you know, I was going to roll my eyes. Jesus, think Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. My brethren, you know, so I gave him the time of day. Right. And he would always give me the time of day as well. When I would tell him about like manifestation and silence and all these kinds of different techniques that I use over the years to achieve what I wanted to achieve now. And I met him a night. And he he was sharing some vulnerable things about his life with me. Because he'd always bong things off of each other. And he was telling me that you know he was at a point because I met him to tell him about the name change. And he was inspired. I was telling him about how much Jesus inspired me. And that how many, how, how much great men, even in the Bible, and in the world as well, would have changed their names as well. Do you know Mohammed Ali's real name? Yeah, Cassius Clay. Exactly. Cassius Clay, Saul to Paul. And you know, so many different people in history would have would have marked the self to be a new creation through name changes as well. And I was telling him about it, and he was inspired, and he started to open up about some things in his life. And usually I'd always have the answer. Because I always had the answer to everything. True reading a lot of self-help books and things. I always well try this. Meditate for five minutes in outbreed and it go on all, you know, these kind of different things. I know, but that night I decided to not give him a solution into his um vulnerable things that he was saying. And it had a lot to do with like temptation and these kind of different things. And I was like, you know, I don't feel that way, you know. I feel like for some reason I feel like I passed that. But I said, Who you think is the solution? He said we come up with our plan. We figure it out together. If it's not the way it is right now, then we figure out how you could get back to where it is. And he said, Well, you know, when I was deeper into Christ, I used to feel a lot better whatsoever. But you know, through certain circumstances, you know, I've ha I've haven't been able to have him as close in my heart as I want him to. So I said, Oh. I said, so how then you could get him back in your heart? Like, what was he was he steps? He said, well, you know, just probably just accept him, you know, he you know, how do he in here? I was like, Wait, and I said, Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? And he was like, Yes. And in that moment, Quarry, I realized I hadn't accepted Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:47

You converting people and you my Lord and Savior. I evangelizing here, I bring this man to Christ and lead him in Christ. I admire Christ, I study it. So you lead him in and close it up behind him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:02

And I said, nah, something over my dead body. This man walks with Christ, and I do walk with Christ. And I say, you know what? I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior too. And he was like, so church Sunday, I was like, yeah, church Sunday. Church Sunday, it was, and church Sunday, it has been. Walking with Jesus Christ is what it has been. And even there, when we left, there were two young ladies walking past, and we were able to renew their faith in Jesus Christ as well. We were able to pray together as well. I've been able to see like behind the scenes, a lot of my friends come to Christ, develop an interest in Christ. And that's a that feeling just outweighs every level of success I've ever had now. Like leading people into a relationship that just works for them. I have another Brigin here, Miguel, here as well. Walking with Christ as well, developing his own relationship. Soon to be wife working, you know, mommy as well, you know, developing that interest, you know. And I tend to ask people who believe in Christ or who know about say what does Jesus Christ mean to you? Who is him to you? And then you know they start to question them ourselves and you know, guiding people to, you know, reading the book of Matthew, like reading and going and sort of learn more about Jesus. And that is where that is where my acceptance of Christ began. And then I encountered him as well in my life after that. Like when I went to um the Caribbean Music Awards, still slightly leaning on my own understanding as to what I still trying to make the celebrities that feature on my show bigger. And I decided to rename the show The Joe Show to keep God in the center of all that I do. But I was still kind of walking a fine line, like I keeping him in the centre, yeah, but I still trying to stay halfway in the world now. So I went to the Caribbean Music Awards and I I I went on the red carpet and I met all the interviewed Boujo Banton, met TJ Khalid. Everybody who like I always thought, yeah, again I encountered it, and it still was very empty. And it was that night after the Caribbean Music Awards, I I just like gave it all to God, like I surrendered to him. And the day before the Caribbean Music Awards, I was gonna just give up because it's like God calling me now to bring people to him and all these.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:04

I'm gonna be a photographer.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:06

Yeah, I gotta tell myself, well, I already accustomed traveling the world, I know my way around the world, and I could get around the world cheap. So I'm gonna just be a photographer. So leading on my own understanding, and I went in to be an H photo and um I went and buy some little equipment and stuff to be a photographer when I reach up in the line. I said, Good send my sign and I was just like fully surrender to you. Send my sign and I'll go I go walk with you. Just give my sign and I'll go walk with you. If you don't get my sign, I can't do this photography thing. I just I done like it's too much. And when I reach up to the cashier, the cashier's name was Jesus, and I had never met anybody with the name Jesus. And I said, What's your name? He said, Jesus.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:09

So he responds Jesus or Jesus, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:11

He responds Jesus, pronounced Jesus. And I was like, wait, can I take a picture of you? Took a picture, I just remember that. I said, by God, by the way. Did he sign my cool? When I get the bag, and I open the bag and I look in the bag to take all the camera equipment. There's a little receipt in it, but not a receipt from B and H. A little card saying Jesus paid it all. Sin, guilt, shame, regret, Jesus paid it all on the cross for you. Total paid$0.00. Do you want to be free from sin and consequences of sin? Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Wow. And from that day, Corey, I just been, I just been walking with, I just been walking with Jesus. Like Jesus has just been my rock, my salvation, my everything. I just enjoy talking about Jesus. And I walked up here right now, just even again a platform to even just say the name of Jesus. You know, mighty name of Jesus. And um, you know, that was my first encounter where God showed me a clear sign, and that was just one of many. Like from from there, just has been uh spiritual walk, boy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:34

Oh, with you, and your friends walking with you today, but his name is Miguel, he's saying their names. You felt as if you could not do that as Daniel Roberts or as Daniel Loveless. You had to change your name to be able to do what you're doing now.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:48

I attach myself so much to identity in the past. I I just didn't want to be attached to that anymore. Like, even the name Daniel is like when I was born. I think my from what she tells me she called my dad because he was never in my life anyway. Why we should name him Daniel?

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:10

I mean what the hell is that? That's my story. No, I don't name it. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:21

Just you should just name him Daniel. But the name Daniel itself is biblical. Yeah, it is. It means it means God is my judge. However, I wanted to just walk a new path. He that in Christ is a new creation. And I just did that as my oath to just keeping God in the center of all I do. And I love my name. Love it. Like, you know, I love to tell people, you know, I love to like like your name is something beautiful. Your name should be something that you know you're happy to say that there is a name that has a meaning towards it. And then for me, it's like a um it's like a uh a ramp to talk about Christ. Of course, because every time you say, yeah, for sure. And then hey, what's that name? Is it African? Is it oh what does it mean? Oh, why oh so you name that for God? Oh no, but it's an oath to God.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:20

And let me tell you about Jesus Christ, uh but the thing is, even when you're talking today, that joy and love you felt for your name, you never felt that for your birth name.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:35

Yeah, no, never, never did, and then loveless, and then but I just wanted to just close that chapter and just put it uh and put it aside.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:44

So I don't go back to the church people again as a victory, right? I never need some man myself. I know the life just goes because when I see you and in what I don't know if you find out today that this is your last of the interviews, but one of them was full-blown. Men who write the greatest Ben over. I don't know if that'll be accepted well in the churches I went to, but I see you interviewing them and talking to them. What is the response you're getting from your community when you when you do that interview at that time?

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:09

So when I went to the when I went to the Caribbean music awards at that point in time.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:12

Then you conflicted already, right? You're feeling that conflict.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:15

Yeah, of course. Of course, because when I went, it felt good. But when I went to mana and I watched the interviews, I say in way, boy, like it's still not feeling how I wanted to feel. And then God started calling me to just like make everything about Christ. And that was a hard thing now. I was like, oh gosh, like, really, boy, like really. I I still for days and days I cry, I cry, I cry. I said, really, my God, boy, like you know, like just everything about Christ. But I surrendered. I surrendered. I'm I'm following God's word and God's hand over my life. So when I at the time of doing those interviews, that was still me leaning on my own understanding. But God has called me to spread the word about Jesus Christ and to be a living testimony of Christ and his works, you know. Um, so I've dedicated my platform, the Joe Show, towards now sharing people's testimonies about Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:19

Okay, so you may still do interviews, but there's a different focus, as we're saying.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:23

Yes, yes, it is a different focus. I'm gonna be doing interviews, but solely dedicated to spreading the word about Jesus. Mightn't be the most profitable corporate move. However, I'm working with God and I'm keeping him at the at the at the center of it all. So people can look forward to that. You know, whosoever it touches, I'm grateful, and whosoever it doesn't, hopefully it touches them in in some kind of way. But I I I just know in my spirit that excites me, Corey. That excites me. Like talking about Jesus just excites me. Like getting to know about like what other people think about Jesus, like that excites me. Like I'm over the like mundane conversations, you know, even with females, like I didn't want to talk about anything else.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:13

I with you, I with you. So was you as you advanced to what is the new journey for you and what it looks like. One of the things I was looking at before we started, like I was going back through your social media and those things. I went on YouTube, I see nothing. Yeah, yeah, you clean up everything, it's a fresh start. Because I mentioned corporate, right? And from a business standpoint, I wonder how nerve-wracking it is to like David and I we building something here, and I can't imagine one day David come and tell my boy, you know, we life changed now, we're gonna delete everything and start afresh. I'm gonna find our next David. So but how how how worried are you at that point in time with with giving up everything that you've built?

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:55

I mean it was hard to do at first because I was like battling with God. Like, God already wanna do this, but things working, things working out well, you know. But I just do it. I can just do it. I reach a point where it's either for Jesus or not for Jesus. I don't want to be in the middle. I with Jesus. And that is it. I walk away from it. That is it, yeah. And the reason with the with the I mean, I left the what you know videos on the Facebook. So for people who still wanna go and enjoy it or whatsoever, they could. But the YouTube it was it was too much, like because what was happening was that if you know, people will just go on YouTube and they'll type up what you know, and they'll find the video and they'll time too much uh to that now. The Facebook for some reason they'll work the same the same way with the YouTube, it's easy to find, but with the with the Facebook, you had to go and dig a little bit of a server. So it's there for the ones who you know want to want to enjoy. And when I do have kids and stuff, I would want them to see you know all the things the father was. But you was up to yours up to, yeah. But with the YouTube, you know, I just I just wanted it to be to be a new um understood. So corporate, and I might worry about them things by Cory boy. It's just um when you walk with Jesus, Jesus will provide. There's a song like that. Jesus will provide. Yeah, you know, you just for me, it's just it's just it's just walking with him. And that is it, you know. There's no concern about corporate. I was thinking yesterday, you know, someone's little thought is coming. I employed by Jesus, you know. Jesus is my employer, and and that is that is the biggest promotion or the biggest employer you could you could you could possibly have.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:38

Yeah, you don't have to worry about corporate if you have that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:40

Yeah, you don't have to worry about that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:42

Like the man says, you know, Queen's Flip. Queen's flip. I know. I I yeah I've heard of that. I saw him different journey, right? Because he used to do skits on, you know, mash it things. See Nylan all look like she got frightened at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I saw him trying to shift his content, yeah, where he wanted to move away from that um yeah, Tasmanian devil type style content and start just talking to people. Very, very similar. It's a big parallel, at least in my mind, between between both of y'all. But I do see now where he would walk around. I saw him in Labor Day and he walk around, and then somebody wants to fight because people, when they see them, you see the character, you see the person that you fall in love with, the content creator that you like and that kind of thing. How is it responding to fans that had loved what you built and who might be saying you abandon me?

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:35

Take it to God and prayer. I mean, are you following Jesus? You know, I I in a relationship with Jesus, you know. I know, don't look up to me. Don't look up to me. You know, I'm not your hero. I am not a hero. People would think that I'm an example of your hero. But I'm not your hero.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:55

Well, you see, when you name yourself my Lord God, the impression might be follow you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:02

Well, that is not the um, that is not what I am trying to imply. I am trying to point people to Jesus. Like, even if you don't want to call me my name like that, it's something.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:10

So you don't get no horror if people call you Daniel's Little Girls.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:13

I correct them. I could I correct them, or I sometimes I just don't respond, or you know, sometimes you know I just politely correct them. Because understanding that, you know, sometimes it's an innocent, it's a innocent, it's an innocent mistake.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:24

But what I mean by But sometimes it's not. Sometimes, that's why I bring up the Queen's Flip example. I think that no matter how much he publicly says, I've changed this, I don't want to do this no more. This is not the kind of content I do. People some people come around him and they're frightened. There's like, hey, don't sort of mash up thing here, you know. And he keeps having to remind people. So when you say he's innocent, that's true. But sometimes people want to lay you know he's Daniel. And I'd not call you know Adonai. Do you get that?

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:49

I've never experienced it. No, no, no, no. Okay, okay. I've I've never experienced it. Any any times where it's like um I'll see somebody like Corey, remember, it's a spiritual walk, you know. When you really accept Christ into your heart and you truly have a material, you could you could see, like I could see people malice. Which as I say, I was I had to deal with that a little earlier on in the in the in the with David before we start. Spiritual malice like hell. I could see it, I could see envy, I could see jealousy, I could see, and then I understand that you see this walk is a spirit, you walk. It's not uh it's not a walk in the in the um in the flesh. Always here Jamael telling me, you know, we we battle against not against flesh and blood. We battle against not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities, but against powers and principalities in heavenly places. St. Mary's do we proud in this so you know I I I could see I could see malice, I could see if somebody. So it's like I've I've encountered people, you know, what you know, or so, you know, and it's like you know, no problem, you know. Hey, how you going, you know? If they call me Daniel, you know, my real name is Adonai, like that's that's my name, you know. Yeah, I with you, I with you, and it, and and and it goes less on um explaining, and you know, I even look back at myself so early, and you know, I was like a child, like a like a little baby, you know, eager to whoo I accept Christ and eager to tell people and eager to share the good news. But you know, at the point in my life now where I just want to be a representation of what it looks like to walk in Christ.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:32

That's life in a brother, to tell you the truth. That's that that's just life, boy. Because I sure I'm sure when you look back at yourself at 17, you'll see that like a child. That's what it is. When you reach 60 something, you go watch today and you'll see, boy, like a child. I'm talking to Corey there. We could do this 20 years from now again, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:46

And I give thanks for for getting into my Bible now because it's like a lot of the things that I talk about, just back to the word now. Like, I know say that, and the Bible verse comes to me, let your light so shine that people may see it and glorify your father which is in heaven. Another Bible verse there, you know. When he asks me about how I deal with people and see, you know, I hear another Bible verse. We battle not against. I memorize that one yeah. But against, you know, principalities and powers in heavenly places, you know. So God is God is God has talked to me in different in different ways, you know. Tell me, you know, fear not. I am your God and He will take care of me, you know. He will, he will, He will.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:33

But fear not a little bit now. Just trying to learn from you, right? Oh I do remember when you made the adjustments and started to, as you say, interview celebrities, uh, the admiration for them showed and that kind of thing. But I always um there have a lot of times I have people here and I hesitate to ask certain questions. That's certain things that not interesting. No, I talk about you asking people because I see you ask internationally famous recording artists with 2020 to your careers to sing five of your most popular songs. I don't know how the men just do that up to today. The first time I say, I say, what? How you get them, how that starts? You just start asking them, yeah, but you holy spirit, boy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:17

It had to be the holy spirit just working in me because that's when I see a rich bounty killer.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:21

I say, right, no, this one he wants to say, no, you're not doing it. You know, he's famous for shots and takes up, yeah. But they just do it, they just do it, boy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:29

I don't know, like we just said oh, and it would be so amazing. I just set up the camera like it's easy energy, you know. The camera not recorded.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:44

So people went along with it, all of them cartel, yeah. All of that went on, yeah. It became some of some of the most special parts of your interviews because you know the people and you know the songs, but I've I don't think it anybody could name an interview with but Lewis Lewis Bouncy Killer or or Marshall, where somebody asked him, and he just went into five songs. At that point, they know you like when you're going to cartel, he knows you know your content and that kind of thing, or you're just asking for yeah, they're you know, then they knew my content as well.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:11

Right. That was a really nice trip as well, man. Um, me and Citified Samson went on that trip together. Yeah, so he did a skit. I record his own, he recorded mine. Really good friend of mine, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:21

Yes, I saw you talk about that. You mentioned how um you all make connections for one another and have a a good relationship. That's something that sustains now you're only cool.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:30

Um, yeah, yeah, we are. He has always supported me throughout every phase that that that I walk in. And although our walks might be different, that's that's my brother, you know. And it doesn't change um, you know, me walking with Christ doesn't change, you know, people that are new, and you know, yeah, yeah, and I know them, I love them, and as much as um I may walk a different path, you know, we we good. Gotcha, yeah, we're good. Yeah, there's nothing to really say much about.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:58

Got you. Uh, one of the things I enjoy, and and and and David and I really is that we don't like nobody to know who we're interviewing because we like it to be such a surprise when somebody comes next, somebody you would never expect us to have. Yeah, and I never expected you to have Gary Griffith or Steoty Young or these people. What what what led to that? How come you start doing um interviews with politicians? Like I look at the US market and and what um the last election was, and now we're seeing people like Joe Rogan and Andrew Schultz and them, they're starting to sort of not not necessarily blame, but they're saying that all they get is personally elected, yeah. And you know, the only humanize Trump and all they get is personally elected, but it's just so to know the one person who you interview get elected. That was good.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:43

How come Camilla was not in this? No, she was supposed to be, you know. She was supposed to be, but she was just busy. We we we were in in in talks and you know to do the interview, however, she was just busy, she was just busy at the at the time. Yeah, we did we did try to make it happen, but we did get Philip though a little part, yeah, yeah, yeah. Big up, big up Philip, you know. Uh yeah, you know, we we we did get Philip at that time for elections. We wanted to feature everybody, so best believe that we did reach out to everybody. However, I mean these are politicians we did them with, and some of them are busy, some of them, you know, at that time a lot of campaigns and stuff were going on.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:23

Yeah, well, that's what everybody you were interviewing at that time, yeah. Yeah, they would be busy. So it's something that you enjoy doing because I'll say, like, from a fan standpoint, it was one of Philip is a good example. Yeah, I've you know, he's talking, he's a man's talk a certain way, right? Yeah, and your interview is one of the few places I've ever seen him just be cool. That's something you deliberately went in with, you avoid political questions, or you just take where it gets on the I just go with the vibes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:51

As I tell you, just let the vibes just flow through me. And I call it in the vibes, and I think the Holy Spirit just was working through me back then, but I didn't identify it like that. I would just go, I would just like, you know, whatever comes to mind, and I would ask things that I personally wanted to know as well. So I approached it as a as a as a as a fan and not as a big interviewer. I approached it as I'm a I'm a fan of all because I never judge any of these people like I'm a I'm a fan of them all in some degree. I I liked uh admired or admired you know some of them and in some degree you know I I just enjoyed each one of them for a different characteristic. Vibes cartel, I grew up listening to his music and you know, just hearing a lot of his music in school. So that was I was approaching as a fan. Gary Griffith, I saw him throughout COVID and or whenever he was his commissioner of police and how revered and feared he was. So I approached him as a fan. Philip Alexander, the same thing with his um, you know, with the gunman and the whole stuff, and then sometimes he would um he would just have these opinions, sometimes it would go viral and whatever. I always saw the good in people now. So for me, it never came from a place of uh um uh a judgment, even interviewing honourable Kamala Passabi Sessa was like a dream of mine at that time. I would I would hear so many people say things about her, however, I wanted to sit with her myself and see. You know, Stuart Young was a very good interviewer as well. I admired how he showed up with the different entourage and the security, and we jump on the van, and you know, that was like another uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:31

You almost get done and you lost by about 25 seats, you almost came over the edge. Okay, sorry David.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:38

Davido was a experience, you know, Marshall. So, you know, for me it's like I was just like fans of all these people now and um idolized them a lot, you know, and that is why I think the interviews did so well because you know I I was there as uh with my idols. That's the best way, that's the best way to put it, which is why. It performed so well because it's like you know, yeah, you idolize these people, and then here you are in your presence, yeah, you revere them, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:07

Yeah, it showed, and it's one of the things again where I I inspired because what you were doing really gave us permission to do what we're doing. Because a part of what I've seen in interviews a lot is that and we have excellent interviewers. This country in shorter people could interview people historically. Yeah, I feel as a gift we have as a country that we ain't happening into. But what I see a lot is people who well prepared, well studied, well, you know, and and and they have very matter-of-fact interviews that say things. But what I saw, what you were doing, was what I kind of always wanted to do because I want to interview you, but I want to be mean. I just want to ask what I really are interested in. But at that point in time, I'm pretty sure what I interested in, nobody else in the world ain't interested in at all. And as David make me know it, David reach out at a point in time. He's like, Boy, I like the way you do interviews. But in a lot of ways, I was patterning and looking at what you're doing, and I was like, wait, this thing could work. One of the Marshall stood out.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:01

And when he hears something, you inspired me to do my own podcast. So look at that. So when we're dropping it, look at how we're recording it today. So look at how inspiration works. And I want to thank you for that as well. Because a lot of people would tell me in the comments, do our podcast, do our podcast, do our podcast, do our podcast.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:20

The interviews was too short.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:22

Every time you did it, it felt like if it would be nice if we could have talked to them some more. And then when I saw you do it, I was like, wow, I'm so inspired. And that's why I'm so inspired to be here today. Also, it's like this is very important to me. You know, I I take this being here very, very seriously now because you are also an inspiration to me as well. Alright, let's move on. This is in another one.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:45

So no, but I accept that. I accept that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:47

I thank you for that, you know, and that is how inspiration has work, you know, and that is why that's why we must be open and we must have our hearts open as well, and and and not um just idolize one type of people. You know, you inspired me so much, Corey. Like, really, really like seeing your videos on TikTok. And I was like, Like, I would look at your platform, and we need to have a dream here. It was a silent prayer of mine to be here sitting talking with you on your platform.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:23

Yeah, you had to upgrade the present. Uh I don't know, you had to upgrade the president. No, but it's a it's a pleasure. Yeah, so so thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:29

Thank you as well. I've been I've been thinking about this, I've been praying about this throughout my whole week. I brought all my friends to be here, just say you know, it's important, it's important for me to to be here, you know. So thank you for allowing me for the the opportunity to even be here.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:46

It's a it's a it's a pleasure for us, honestly. It's a it's a pleasure, like like we're just for people behind the scenes stories, like we scheduled way in advance. It just happened that way. Because at first, you know, you know, this journey, you had to call a hundred people to get one person to say yes, yeah. But boy, when the two three starts to get traction, the 99 say yes now, and now we scheduled out a long time. But um, when the team reached out, as I told them, I said, This is definitely something I was gonna reach out to. I don't want to feel like it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:13

Yeah, yeah, it was always on the list. I'll live in any midst of answer and prayer and and and thanks. Thanks a lot.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:19

The pleasure is mine, the pleasure is mine. Before we wrap up, I'd go back to one of them interviews. We had that interview with Marshall. I do remember as we talk in admiration and respect and so on. I remember him taking making it a point to say, Didn't ask him no question, but you say he admire what you're doing, and he always tells people, what gets you here, not going to get you there. And he sees how you changed what you're doing. Yeah, you're in the midst of another change that we might now know about publicly, but it's clearly been going through this this change. You and your your friends and your inner circle have been going through it for a long time. What could we look forward to with this new change that you implement in here? The public side of it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:57

Anything that is tied to me is gonna point back to Jesus. I am no longer the celebrity in the story. As I say, I aspire to be no one's hero, I aspire to be an example of my hero. And um everything I do, like even the duo show, um I'm dedicating it to just sharing people's testimonies.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:18

And when you say people's testimonies, like who would be the people? Just people you know, or is it celebrities, or is it politicians, business people, we could expect?

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:25

Most of the things that I pray about, like people that are uh pray about and that and that God reveals to me. You know, so um having Jaron News as as as as as my as my first guest. Oh, beautiful. He's a he's a friend of mine. Um and I'm gonna I'm gonna share his story. I'm gonna delve into stories about Christ. What I've realized is that in my journey, nobody explained to me who Jesus Christ is. Nobody I was even looking at an interview because I've interviewed Jaron twice before. Once in my recent um interviews with celebrities, and then once previously on the show Hot Ones. And I was looking at it last night to you know, crossing my T's and dotting my eyes. And even then, he mentioned Christ so much, and we never we never talk about it, you know, because obviously that was in the prerative. Yeah, and that was in the prerogative of the show, like that was a franchise, was it connected to the hired as the host, and he would say things like um, Jesus changed my life so much. I'm like, Alright, Jaron, so we're moving on to the next paper. So I was here, you know, so it's like what you have an agenda, yeah. And and and every different show would have their agenda, and and that's fine. That's I see no problem with it, and I cast no judgment on it. However, I am just in the point of journey where I uh of this journey where I want to like I I always tell people like if I could put in a bottle like Jesus Christ, and just like this, you read it with white people drink it and it just feel it, like I I I would do that because it's really a it's really a feeling, it's really a relationship, it's really a comfort, it's really a peace, it's really a knowing that there's something larger than you at work as well. You know, it could be in the middle of uh depression, God is there. It could be in the middle of anything, and and Jesus is just always the rock. Um so I want to highlight on my platform and try to bring people if I could have done it behind the scenes with my friends, and you know, and I have such a large platform, millions of people on the platform, then I want I want to point them to him. And I've pointed them to so many celebrities and so and the biggest celebrity in the wheel are doing justice, man. Corey, how long you hearing about Jesus, Corey? How long you how long has he been around? How can we look up to people? It's like when you when you admire people, you go on you look into them. If you hear somebody call a name over and over and over, of course. You know, you go on you look into them, somebody calling a name. And I don't want to use anybody else's name, you know, but just to drive an example and not to highlight them in a bad light. So I'll use Daniel Loveless. And you hear Daniel Loveless, Daniel Loveless, Daniel Loveless, Daniel Loveless, Daniel Loveless, Daniel Loveless. That's how people became fans of me. Because they went in and they went on to do the research and the consumer content, and I haven't been around. And then they follow your journey, and then they follow my journey. I haven't been around as long as Christ has been along. I haven't been along, like, and it's like if we hear a name, oh, I am telling you, it has to have some kind of truth about that. And uh, you know, my goal is to is is to point people in that direction, develop your own relationship with him and and feel how it feels yourself, like stop hearing, like I've heard for years and years and years and years. Jesus, as I say, I was born a Christian, so it's like I just hear about Jesus, but I never really looked into it. And when I started looking into it, and I realized, well, of course, this is the interview I was supposed to be seeking all along.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:17

Well, you were seeking it all along, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:19

You know, think of it like that because you said that you started off from something in the church that put you on the road to ask a question, so you're never not seeking it, you know. Exactly, and uh you mentioned um because we never know how it will perform anything. I want to tell you, Adonai is going to do excellent. Thank you, we're gonna do everything you expect it to do and more because I I've seen it in so many spaces adjust and make it happen and make it work up to now. You ain't tell me where you learn photography, where you learn to interview, where you learn to even the Bible or we're learning to follow Christ, you see you figure it out. Yeah, so I think in a new space you you you figure it out, it will do great.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:54

Yeah, thank you. Thank you for saying that, man. And um thank you for saying and I don't respond like this to say that um to sound righteous, but I say this like it's just all about Jesus. The performance doesn't even matter, the performance doesn't even matter, it's about just having a conversation and just putting it out there. That is me, as I say, I'm employed by Jesus, and that's my job. And you're gonna pay the dividends anyway. The dividends is the salvation, the salary is the salvation, the salary is the answered prayers. So for me, it's just about doing the job, so I appreciate another thing that I reject. I thank you for it, but I still try and do it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:41

However, you define what do I do, excellent, you know. You you are the only definition of that, which you know already, you know. You you you know this. So congrats, congrats, congrats on everything that came before and and and and where you're doing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:53

Thank you. And if you're looking at this, go and look into Jesus now, go and look into him. The book of Matthew, read it, read his teachings, get closer to him. You're doing yourself an injustice by the biggest celebrity in the world, the creator of it all, by not just looking into him. Give him a chance.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:17

Well, as you say that, I'm gonna I've given you the final word in this, right? Usually David is telling me on the close interview. David have a lot of rules now. But I see you say something here that highlights the definition. No, David. Don't worry, we're gonna be on time, right? No, because that's just so much screensaver looks now.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:36

So it's it's from you, it's from it steal my screensaver.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:44

It's like wow, again you the final word. He said, Fear thou not, amen. For I am a thee, be not dismayed, for I am thy God. I will strengthen thee. Yeah, I will help thee, yeah. I will hold up thee with the right hand of my brother Justin. How are we doing, Mary?

SPEAKER_03: 1:41:04

Thank you very much, and I'm gonna get a lot of people.