Relationship Radio: Marriage, Sex, Limerence & Avoiding Divorce
Relationship Radio: Marriage, Sex, Limerence & Avoiding Divorce
What Happens When You're In Love With Someone Else While Married?
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What happens when you're deeply in love with someone who isn't your spouse? Join Dr. Joe Beam, as we explore this emotional maze with Ren, who bravely shares his journey of multiple affairs and the overpowering grip of limerence. Together, we navigate the complex emotions tied to being infatuated with another person, and how Ren, with the help of Marriage Helper and his extraordinary wife, found a path back to rebuilding their marriage. This episode sheds light on the importance of shared values in sustaining relationships, even when faced with the fallout of infidelity.
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It's an amazing feeling when you're madly in love. The problem comes when you're married and the person you're madly in love with isn't your spouse. Hi, I'm Dr Joe Beam with Marriage Helper. This is Relationship Radio. We're going to be talking about that today.
Speaker 1:What if you are in love with someone but you're not in love with your spouse? Maybe you've said things to your spouse such as I love you but I'm not in love with you. Or maybe you've even said to your spouse I just don't love you anymore. Or possibly even said you know, now that I really look at this, I don't think I was ever in love with you. Does that mean that you're doomed? Do you either have to go through the pains of the divorce so you can be with the one that you love, or does it mean that you forfeit the one that you either have to go through the pains of the divorce so you can be with the one that you love, or does it mean that you forfeit the one that you feel this great love for so you can stay in the marriage that you had committed yourself to before?
Speaker 1:Some officiant at some point, a priest, a rabbi, something where you said until death, do us part. So it's a hard choice, even if you think you don't love your spouse anymore. It's a hard choice because this is where my emotion is, this is where my commitment was. What do I do? So we're going to talk about that today. I have a special guest with us. This is Rin, from South Africa. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've ever known your last name.
Speaker 2:Well, that was the idea Historically. I wanted to be a rock star, so it was just one name. That's probably what. No, I'm joking.
Speaker 1:As a matter of fact, I'll just say right now he is a rock star in South Africa. So it's written Bestiaire. Am I pronouncing that correctly?
Speaker 2:I like it. It's better than what it really is. It's Bester.
Speaker 1:Bester. Well, when I see it written, it looks like Bestiaire. Yeah, I prefer that. Ren is visiting with us here in the good old US of A has been for a couple of weeks and helping us do some things that we really needed to do. He's part of our team that works out of South Africa, so welcome to Relationship Radio.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. It's such an honor.
Speaker 1:Okay, so on this particular topic, you and I both are kind of experts, aren't we? Unfortunately, yes, so tell a little bit about why you're an expert on this and then I'll talk about the answers to it. We'll actually talk about it together, sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so well. My marriage to my amazing wife was an absolute disaster. For the first nine and a half years of our marriage, I had multiple affairs and three of those, in fact, were limerent affairs, which means I was madly in love with somebody else and was prepared to leave my family for that person. The last one in particular was two and a half years long and I separated from my family as a result of that affair and I in fact said those exact words as a result of that affair, and I in fact said those exact words I love you, but I'm not in love with you. I don't think I ever loved you. I said things like I think I married you out of obligation and I certainly vilified my wife. Everything wrong in my life was her fault and so I was bewitched by this limerence and for two and a half years and we have an amazing story and my wife did incredible work as a result of marriage help and what you teach. In fact, I'm sitting here because of you and her.
Speaker 1:No, I should say her yeah.
Speaker 2:She used. What you teach, we can teach, but it's up to the people. Yeah, absolutely. And by the grace of God, the limerence ended and all those very strong feelings that I was feeling towards her negative feelings over time dissipated and we put our marriage back together. And here we are.
Speaker 1:Okay. So if I may ask, because I've never asked you this before the person that you were in limerence with? Now, for those that are new to relationship, radio limerence is a state where that you feel quote, madly in love. In quote, to the point where you can even be obsessive when you're thinking about the other person, particularly when you're daydreaming about your future together and you crave this emotional closeness with them. And that craving becomes so powerful it'll overrule everything else in life. It becomes more important than your relationship with any other person, even your children. It becomes more important than any goal you had in life. Out there I mean being in a relationship where this person feels toward you as you feel toward them becomes everything. So with the person that you were in limerence with, was there any age difference?
Speaker 2:Oh yes, there was a 17-year age difference. I was 17 years older than her and once I'd exited limerence, so to speak, once it had worn off the glaring what's the word I'm looking for there were glaring reasons why we should not be together, besides the age difference, which would have been a problem, I'm sure 10, 20 years of the future Are you talking about in terms of incompatibilities, or in terms of different beliefs and values, or in terms of just practical life?
Speaker 2:Sure. So we had relatively similar beliefs and values. From a spiritual beliefs perspective, we were both Christians, which is interesting because what we were doing goes against those beliefs and values. But the age and maturity difference certainly would have been an issue when we were in life, the things that we were able to speak about. Now there were things, conversations I could not have with that person just because I was nearly two decades older than her, and that would have been very frustrating had I not been in limerence. But because I was in limerence, I just explained it away. Oh, it'll be fine, it's no problem, I can find it no problem at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I understand that the person with whom I was in limerence. I was only 12 years older than she back in the day when I divorced Alice to be with that person. For those who are not familiar with our story, it did not work out with the other person. For me, alice, in the meantime, had not married anybody else. I had not married anyone else. After three years of divorce we remarried each other and have been married ever since. But again, there was an age difference and we see that a lot, that when you're quote madly in love with somebody else, often not always, but often there is an age difference and sometimes quite a significant age difference. But it might be that the person that you're quote madly in love with is the older older than you and it might be that you're almost the same age. But we see a remarkable number of them where there's the guy who's older and the woman who's younger. Did that have anything to do with what first attracted you to her?
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely. I mean there was because of my own brokenness. The things that I was looking for outside of my marriage were very superficial and shallow, and so she was young and pretty. Yeah, but the things that matter long later in life I didn't care about those things. I didn't care whether she would be a good mother or whether we could build something deep together. I was just overcome with these madly in love feelings and nothing else mattered to your point, and those emotions are extremely powerful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now if that's you or you might be watching this because your spouse is in love with someone else and told you that he or she is no longer in love with you.
Speaker 1:Perhaps they told you they still love you, as we said earlier. Or perhaps they said they've never been in love with you or started blaming you and saying well, I was in love with you at some point, but because of you, that's all gone away and somebody else came along to fulfill my needs, and then try to blame everything on you if you're that spouse or the other person is madly in love. Now, if you are the one who is madly in love, you may have found yourself already blaming your spouse. Like you know, we were doing well until she didn't do this or did that, or until he didn't do this or did that, and it becomes a sort of justification in your own mind that this is why I should be with this person and this is why I shouldn't be with the person I'm married to. Now, ren, you use the word vilified. Explain to them what that means.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everything wrong in my life was my wife's fault. She ruined my music career and she ruined my happiness, and she controlled me, and I was never free to do the things that I wanted to do, but never took the time to realize that I might have created some of those behaviors by the fact that I was unfaithful to my wife and that I had lived a life of addiction and that I lied a lot and really was a disaster to be around, and so her natural reaction to my life would have, of course, made her a little bit cautious, so to speak, but I refused to see that it was all her fault, and the reason why I used drugs was her fault, and the reason why I was after other women was because she didn't fulfill me emotionally, whatever I could concoct in my mind.
Speaker 1:So you made her the villain which is what we mean when we say vilified so in your mind at that point. If you can remember how, how did? How? Was she the cause of you using drugs in your mind at the time.
Speaker 2:There was, um, there was a lot of control from her side and she, she would speak about this. I wouldn't say anything that she wasn't okay with. She speaks about how she controlled in our relationship because of her fear because of my infidelity in my actions, and so there were times where I would allow myself to be controlled months, sometimes even years. Give me an example. How did she control? Just one example I would not be able to go. One of the things that I do for a living is voiceover work, voice acting. So I would go to a voiceover job, but I wouldn't be able to go. One of the things that I do for a living is voiceover work, voice acting. So I would go to a voiceover job, but I wouldn't be allowed to go by myself. I would have to take our son as accountability, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:So that she knew where you were, what you were doing. You can't sneak off and do whatever. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2:And how did you feel about that at the time? Oh goodness, I hated it because I had a need for affirmation and I needed people to like me and I needed it to look like I was doing the right thing. I endured it. I endured being controlled because it seemed to be the right thing to do, and that would last months or years, and then eventually, like any human being, I would have had enough and then I would rebel. The reaction to that would be overboard we'd call it voiceover.
Speaker 1:And so when you were there being recorded, you kind of the star right, I mean like this is the voice, this is the guy or gal, as it may be, et cetera, et cetera. So was it kind of a dichotomy of feelings, like here I am being the star being chaperoned, yeah, and it kind of went two directions there. Huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, and of course I was rebellious by nature. I'm certainly not submitted to being a healthy, well-adjusted adult male. And so any sort of boundary, even if it were healthy, even if our son wasn't with me, any boundary. I was a teenager emotionally, just never really matured, and grew up emotionally because I'd been taking drugs for so long and you kind of learn how to process your emotions by using drugs and disappearing, um and so, yes, absolutely, I felt this, felt this need to be, uh, admired and to be the to your point, but hamstrung by the fact that my son was with me.
Speaker 1:Okay, but if I heard you correctly a minute ago, the reason that Adele, your wife, did that is because you had evidence that you couldn't be trusted Much evidence. But you didn't think in terms of that, like I see why she's doing that, here's what I'm doing. You thought about it in terms of how dare she try to control me? I'm a grown man, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think there were periods of time where I understood what she was doing. I just didn't have the emotional maturity to accept responsibility, confess the things that I'd done, so that I could be healed and free and then make the changes. In fact, I thought that the things that I was hiding were too many, that if anyone knew who I really was, I would be rejected and lose my family and my parents would hate me and you know, whatever the worst case scenario is that we paint in our minds and so coming clean and doing the right thing was not an option. So I had to live in this, uh, this in-between world of fulfilling my own desires selfishly and pretending to be somebody else in front of everyone else, and that dichotomy was and so the person you were pretending to be.
Speaker 1:Did you like him?
Speaker 2:uh, the person I was pretending to be was the was, I think, the person I wanted to be, but you didn't like him because you were not being who you wanted to be.
Speaker 1:Am I hearing you correctly?
Speaker 2:well, yes, so. So I think there was a, there was a desire in me to be an honorable man for sure. Uh, I didn't think that it was possible because the of the amount of things that I had done wrong in my life that were hidden, and so that man that I was projecting to be was what was just an act, and I, I knew how to act.
Speaker 2:I was a musician and a voice actor and so on, but it was unattainable. So I thought let me just pretend that everything's okay. I thought for the rest of my life that I would use drugs and cheat on my wife until I got exposed and everything would be over and I'd be rejected.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, let's take the information we've given so far, and we have another main point I want to get to before we finish. But let's say what we talked about so far and address the person who is madly in love with someone other than their spouse, and we'll both speak to this. But one thing I would like you to understand, and you probably will refuse to believe that I'm telling the truth or that Ren's telling the truth, but please hear me when I say we've been there. Each of us has been there. We didn't know each other back in those days. I was in the USA, you were in South Africa, but we went through pretty much the same experience. Except I'm not a rock star. Ok, he is. I mean, look at him, all right.
Speaker 1:So we get into these situations where that we at least a part of us knows what I'm doing is in contradiction to my belief in values. What I've been taught is right, as Wren would say, the man that I really wanted to be, and so I pretended to be, because that's what everybody expected me to be. And it could be that right now you're resenting everybody around you, particularly your spouse, maybe even your children, and maybe your best friends, if you go to church, the people at church, et cetera, because you feel that they're making you Although, if you think about it, nobody makes you do anything, unless they're holding a gun on you. Then they can make you do something, but it's your choices. And so here you are, making these choices, but but saying these people are making me be somebody that I'm not, which means that right now, all I'm doing is making everybody else happy and not me. And then, when you're doing that other thing and it may still be secret, or maybe your spouse already knows about him, but when you're doing this other thing, it's like I'm so happy, I'm so blessed, I'm so wonderful, because this is the real me. Yet inside of you, down deep, you know something's wrong here, because if this is the real me because now I'm making myself happy I'm not making everybody else happy. If this is the real me, why are you so miserable? Well, I'm not miserable when I'm with the other person. I'm only miserable when I'm pretending to be the old me. Then why are you pretending to be the old you? You understand, there's something inside of you driving you to that. Nobody can make you do that, and unless they're threatening your life or offering you a million dollars to pretend like that for another three days, then in a way, they're making you, but still, it's your choice. It's still your choice, ren.
Speaker 1:Just yesterday or the day before I lose track of time I'm 149 years old. You look great for 149. See, that's why I tell people I'm 149. They always say that you look great for 149. If I tell them, I really should go. Oh, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1:I got a thing yesterday where a fellow had sent his wife and the wife hoarded it onto me. He had found some woman somewhere that has some website, calls herself like the pharmacy woman, medicine woman, something I can't remember, and she had written at length about the fact that how many men grew up having to make everybody happy, starting with their fathers, and when they finally got married, they had to make their wives happy. And they'll only be truly happy when they allow themselves to be their real selves, their authentic selves. And in her way of explaining that, it was pretty obvious that the authentic self is where you and I were not authentic. It's like now you just think about you, you think about your own pleasure, what you want, what you intend to happen in life, et cetera, and wherever else you have responsibilities, you can't let those bother you anymore, because you got to be true to you that when I was there I felt that was my authentic self.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I still wanted to be the other guy. Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. I agree with that a hundred percent. And there's this idea that freedom means I get to do what I want when I want, and then I'll be happy. And I did that for 23 years and I can categorically state that that is not true Doing what you want when you want brings short-term pleasure, long-term disaster. I believe that we are designed as humans, but in particular as men, to serve, to protect, to sacrifice that there's pain in love.
Speaker 1:You're about to be canceled. You understand Absolutely. You say those things. People are going to say how you don't understand, but please continue, because I agree 100% Okay.
Speaker 2:There is a suffering that comes with being an honorable man. Yes, that's fulfilling. That comes with being an honorable man. Yes, that's fulfilling, that's honoring of the people around you and that brings you peace. How does that suffering do that?
Speaker 1:I don't believe that we were designed to make ourselves happy.
Speaker 2:So are we designed not to be happy? No, that's not what I'm saying. I think that our happiness and our fulfillment comes in sacrifice and service.
Speaker 1:But isn't there a part of that where it has to be that I can accept myself, Otherwise you can't be happy.
Speaker 2:I think it depends on what you mean by accepting, and here we go, it's the vocabulary problem we have in our culture worldwide today.
Speaker 1:Accepting myself, meaning that I love myself. And I'm not talking about narcissism, I'm not talking about selfish grandiosity, ego. I'm talking about being able to love me as a flawed human being like everybody else on the planet. In my religion of Christianity, which is also yours, we were told that you love your fellow man as you love yourself, so we are supposed to love ourselves. But that's not what it means. In the sense of that means do whatever the heck you want to do, whenever the heck you want to do it, because people who do that well typically wind up into addicts or prisoners or young deaths. So let's address these.
Speaker 1:If you're the one who's madly in love with somebody else, my guess is, at least by the fact that you're watching this video, indicates that you may be thinking some of the things we're describing right now. That, if you don't think like that all the time, at least on occasion you're feeling yes, yes, I'm really happy when I'm making me happy, but there's some kind of emptiness, there is some kind of well, I was trying to be poetic yesterday and trying to come up with a line. Let me change what I was being poetic about. It's kind of like this Happiness whispers it shall return on the morrow, as it abandons me to fears in the night. Does that have any meaning to you at all?
Speaker 2:I'm about to go write a song.
Speaker 1:Well, you've got an album coming up, you've got to write songs for you, you've got the contract and you can put different words there. Like hope abandons me as it flees. But in my situation, you know, I have cancer and, and that's why I'm beginning to perspire, my medicine gives me hot flashes. So, ladies, I understand and I was thinking last night about how I can be so strong at times and then at night. So I can be strong even in things that are not good, like I know what I'm doing, I'm happy, but the happiness whispers I'll return on tomorrow as it abandons me for fears in the night.
Speaker 1:Because when you don't have that protectiveness of I'm busy, I'm doing this, I'm doing that and you're lying there in the darkness, that's when it begins to haunt you, like who am I now? Why am I not the person that I really wanted to be? Okay, maybe I'll still be that person, but I'll be that person with my lover. I'm just need to get rid of my wife, to divorce her, and I'll see my children every other weekend and I'm going to be fine. And yet, and yet, the fear still overtakes you because you know deep inside this is not going to work. Yeah, could you feel anything like that at all, or is that?
Speaker 2:just me. Absolutely. I felt like that. In fact, I think in the six months that my wife and I were separated, I was a drug addict and an alcoholic for 23 years. I think I used more drugs and drank more alcohol in the six months we were separated than in the previous 22 and a half years, finally being free from my wife, having moved out and no one's telling me what to do anymore and I can do whatever I want, and the loneliness and the conviction and my conscience, and just no matter which way I turned, I could not make what I was doing right. Right. I was trapped, though I had to make in my case, I felt like I had to forge forward. Plus, I was madly in love with this person and the emotions are sky high. And then, at night, when the hope and the joy disappears, I run to the bar and I call the drug dealer. And it was this cycle of destruction. So, yes, absolutely, I can relate to that.
Speaker 1:So true, freedom is making your decisions, but right now, if you're making those decisions because you're being compelled by the emotions you feel for this other person, if it's compelling you, as Wren just said in a very eloquent way, you're not free. You're being compelled by those emotions. Well, if I go back to my husband or my wife, I'll be compelled, yeah, but you understand, either way, it's really a choice. It really is. Nobody can make you do anything. I mean, they can pull a gun on you. As I said earlier, you can still refuse to comply. Shoot me, I don't care. You have the choice. And right now you have the choice as to what you listen to, which emotions, the ones that are compelling you, that are pulling you away from who you were. And so, even if someone is compelling you or some emotion is compelling you, it's still your choice as to whether you give in or not. And ultimately, let's talk about the end of this.
Speaker 1:When I divorced, alice, left her. I was going to be happy ever after with the other woman. I give her the name Sally Sue, so people won't ever know who she was and if I was going to be happy forever after Sally Sue and completely believe that in my fantasy life. And yet in the middle of the night I'd be lying there thinking who the hell are you, beam? I know who you were. I don't think I know who you are, and I certainly don't know who you're going to be Now. I didn't have that every night, but some nights I did. What is the ultimate end of that compelling emotion? Is it going to be there the rest of your life?
Speaker 2:Well, absolutely not. This limerence that we've been talking about ends 100% of the time, and when it ends we count the cost and really the question is is the cost worth it? Is losing your family and destroying your marriage worth it when your emotions fade with the other person and you end up in the exact same position emotionally as you were in your marriage, except with all the destruction behind you? You now have to put in the effort with the new person anyway, that's right. You might as well not cause the destruction and leave a legacy and fight for your kids and overcome the feelings and do the right thing so that you can find peace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my friend, dr Barry McCarthy, who is a leading sexologist but also an extremely good counselor therapist. He talks about this kind of thing. We we refer to limerence, and he does occasionally, but he'll call it a comparative relationship. So it goes in the limerence situation. What happens is you start comparing your lover to your spouse and your lover always wins Because you're looking at the negative aspects of your spouse and the positive aspects of your lover. So it's not even apples to apples, it's very different things you're comparing and therefore and so he says that what happens is you follow this because in your comparison, this is the winner over here, and then, if you wind up together, he or she cannot possibly live up to your expectations because you have built basically a fantasy life of what it's going to be like. You're right, real life tumbles in. You know people get sick, your bills to pay, all kinds of things can occur, and at least over here you have a track record. You know that this person will stick with you, that loves you, will take care of you when you're sick, et cetera. Even though he or she is not perfect. You say well, I know that about this person too.
Speaker 1:Let me refer to the great philosopher Bob Seger in his song against the wind, how she swore he said that I never would end. That's right, bob. She swore never would end. And when she swore it she meant it. I wish he said I didn't know now what I didn't know then. I wish he said I didn't know now what I didn't know then. Is that a bomb? It is. And so here's my question to you If you're madly in love with somebody else to the point where you want to leave your spouse, ask yourself this question Okay, if I leave my spouse for this person, what will my life be like if this person goes away, gets sick, dies, decides he or she doesn't want to be with me again?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's impossible. They'll always. You know, we've heard that a lot. A lot of people swear they'll be with you the rest of their life, and when they say it they mean it because they're swept up in those emotions. But life changes and emotions change with time. They always do. And so ask yourself what will my life be like if I leave my spouse for this person and this person goes away? Look at that and then try to make a decision. That's a little bit more logical than emotional, because there's always a choice and think this what I think is going to happen isn't it's not what you think and we can put. How many thousands of people do you think we could put on this program to testify to that? So many?
Speaker 2:so many you've worked with for decades and I worked with as a coach for two and a half three years. So many.
Speaker 1:And every single one of them, just like I did, just as you did. No, you don't understand. No, actually, it's you that don't understand, but not because you're a bad person. You're caught up in those intense emotions which are going to fail. Now, if you're the other spouse watching and your spouse is madly in love with someone else, let me give you a couple of suggestions and see if we're in a grace. Number one if they're going to stay in the home with you.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you do have to set up certain boundaries to protect yourself and or protect your children. And if they complain and yell saying you're controlling me, you're dominating me, then your responsibility is something like this I understand that it feels that way. I really do. I genuinely love you. I want to work out our problems. I want to work out our problems, but as long as you continue doing blank, whatever blank is, then I'm going to have to put these boundaries to protect my children and protect me. So it might be something like the next time you come home drunk, you've got to leave the house for X number of hours, or the next time I see you driving with the kids in the car and you have alcohol in your bath. You can make boundaries and don't let them saying you're controlling stop you from doing that, unless you're doing it to be controlling.
Speaker 2:I can give a great example, a real world example, of what a boundary like that might look like In our story. When we were separated before we were separated, I, although I've never laid my hands on a woman, I used to shout at my wife and point my finger in her face. I'm 6'7", 230 pounds, so that must have been really scary for her. And when we were separated, we were on the phone one day and I shouted at her. We had a disagreement and she waited for me to finish. Then she said uh, ren, I value your opinion, I want to hear what you have to say, uh, and we need to resolve this. And then she said but you can never speak to me like that again. Good, and I hit the roof.
Speaker 2:I was so how dare she speak to me like this? And and a week later, uh, we had a disagreement on the phone again and I started. She said if you do this again, I will remove myself from the conversation. And a week later we were on the phone and I raised my voice at her and she put the phone down in my ear and then I really hit the roof. That was four and a half nearly five years ago, and it was the last time I raised my voice at my wife. I think it was incredibly important for her to put that boundary in place. It made me respect her in the long run. So just to agree and reiterate what you're saying Excellent, wonderful, and that's excellent.
Speaker 1:I really like that. But just another thing unless what you're doing genuinely is just to control the other person, then stop that and understand this that while you're setting those boundaries to protect yourself and or your children, understand that this emotion he or she's going through has a shelf life. There's a time coming when it's going to end and so sometimes, if you can just be patient and wait Adele was strong, she put her boundaries up, yeah, and she also was unbelievably patient with you, even after you said that's it, I'm done, I'm gone.
Speaker 2:Right here is stop focusing on the chaos that your spouse is causing and focus on yourself. Become the best version of yourself and do things like walk through forgiveness, not because the other person deserves it, but because you deserve to be free. So many things that we teach that helped her to free herself from my behavior, become the best version of herself and therefore have the patience and the fortitude to stand for our marriage and wait out limerence.
Speaker 1:Excellent. Well, we're kind of out of time here, so we're going to move on, but there's still a question we really haven't gotten to Can you be in love with two people at the same time? So let's talk about that. Thank you for being with us on this program and we'll see you in the next episode of Relationship Radio.
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