ADWIT: The Audio Drama Writers' Independent Toolkit
Want there to be more good audio drama? Lindsay and Sarah do. Each episode, they'll discuss an aspect of audio drama, examples from current audio drama podcasts, and writing exercises so writers can play along. Join Sarah Golding and Lindsay Harris Friel on a voyage of discovery on the seas of audio drama podcasts.
ADWIT: The Audio Drama Writers' Independent Toolkit
What Do Audio Drama Writers Want? Survey Analysis and Season 3 Forecast
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Ever wonder what happens to all those brilliant audio drama ideas that never make it past the "what if" stage?
After reviewing our listener survey (thank you to everyone who participated!), we've gained valuable insights into what you need most from ADWIT. The results were clear: 80% prefer straightforward, consistent episodes focused on practical writing advice rather than elaborate productions with fictional narratives. We hear you, and we're shaping our content accordingly!
We're thrilled to announce the launch of our Discord server, a community space where audio drama enthusiasts can share ideas and support each other through creative challenges.
Throughout this episode, we explore the invisible aspects of the writing process. As Sarah beautifully puts it, "Writing isn't just the act of putting words onto a pad or screen. It's the work, the cerebral time you give yourself." Whether you're walking your dog while contemplating character development or researching historical settings, all of it contributes to your craft.
For those looking to dive deeper into production aspects, we recommend excellent resources like Indie AF, Atypical Artist Resource Guide, and 11th Hour Audio. Each offers unique perspectives and guidance for turning your script into a polished audio drama.
Join us in our mission to help writers finish their scripts and share their stories with the world. Connect with our community on Discord, and let's transform those "what ifs" into "yes, ands" together!
RECOMMENDED RESOURCES:
Bloody Disgusting Podcast Network
Atypical Artists’ Resource Guide
Multitude Productions' Resource Guide
Bombs Always Beep by K. C. Wayland
You're invited to chat with us on the ADWIT Discord Server. What is Discord? This may help: Discord for Podcasters: Engagement
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Sarah and Lindsay
All right, how about you? Are you recording? I am yeah. Okay, it's all ticking along.
Speaker 2:Let me know when you're ready for three, two, one.
Speaker 1:I'm ready for three two one, it's in. Okay, Three, two, one it's in. It's in Hooray. Hello, everybody, Welcome back everyone to another exciting episode of AdWit, the audio drama writer's independent toolkit. Woo-hoo, the audio drama writer's independent toolkit. Woohoo, just slips off the tongue. I am just, I am just enunciating today it's beautiful.
Speaker 2:Today we're talking about creating strategies for people who want to write their first audio drama or improve their audio drama and just just keep you going, because we just want you to finish your scripts and to share them with us. We don't want them shoved away in the back passages of oh wrong sentence. Back drawers, the? What am I looking for here, lindsay? The dark and dindry cupboards of all the work.
Speaker 1:It's six in your and you sit there going what if? Yes, we want you to get from what if to yes and or yes but which is also good.
Speaker 2:And the world will want more, more. Yes, that's what we want you to do, so.
Speaker 1:Sarah, you have been acting, and acting, and acting lately. I'm very excited, or at least for a while I can't keep up with what you've been doing, so I need to make a list. What have you been working on?
Speaker 2:Well, I've got no socks left because they've been all acted off. But yes, essentially I've been in some bloody disgusting things with the dead at home, which is wonderful fun. Some gallery, curious horror narration which I do love narration Hit me up if you need me for that and the glorious Edict Zero. Soldiers to its final, final exciting series. It's just crazy. That's soldiers to its final, final exciting series. It's just crazy. That's been over what? 10 years in the making. I haven't been part of it for 10 years in a very tiny, teeny slice, but I love it so and I was all the milkmaid in amelia project and that was very exciting. Every christmas and writing wise as well, I've been involved in a really lovely new adventure with Chris of Alt Stories and a new season of Indie AF is coming up. So it's all going on Voice acting, workshops, all sorts happening. How about you, lindsay? You've been thriving on your beautiful creative waves of grooviness. Yeah, come on.
Speaker 1:Well, I have been up to my armpits in, actually, the automatics which I believe I mentioned previously. Vince and I made a short one-off. I don't know what we need to come up with a better title for these. I guess a standalone audio drama, if you will. We made a standalone audio drama for 11th Hour Audio on audio drama for 11th Hour Audio. And it is what if a VH1 behind the music documentary were about a singer who sold his soul to the devil or, you know, made a Faustian bargain? And so that's what we did.
Speaker 2:And I've just listened to that recently because my ears have not been able to listen so much because I've been making all sorts Well yeah, but I really I think if you haven't listened already, jump in. It's a superb, kind of epic feel to it. I love how the music kind of threads in and out and I love how the story is unveiled to us like you've kind of fed little tiny bits of character here and there, so I think we should do a deeper dive on it another day. But I think it's a glorious piece of work. Well done you.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you feel like it's deep dive worthy. Yeah, although it would be. It certainly would be a good idea, because then we can do a deep dive on something without having to ask for permission, permission, right yeah, deep dive on something without having to ask for permission, right? Yeah, actually one of the things I absolutely have to say that was so exciting. Yeah, there was this one point that I sort of got a taste of, like this is why we do this right like this is why we do this because there's inflamed.
Speaker 1:Get the spark like this isn't like the payoff. There was this moment where I'm editing together the voice of Robert Cudmore, who you know. I love that man so much. Yes, yeah. If you've listened to audio drama at all, you've probably heard him. And then Jeffrey Wilkerson, who is a great actor that I've known for many, many years, who mostly does film. That I've known for many, many years, who mostly does film, but he and I have known each other since I started farting around doing crazy theater in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1:And my friend Jill Knapp, who is the lead singer of Hot Breakfast, putting the three of them from three completely different areas of my life into one thing. That was amazing. But I also learned so much about creating a show with remote recording okay, which is very difficult and very challenging, and we are going to talk about that, but not today, because today we are going to talk about the adwit survey Survey. Thank you, Survey.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you for those people who did endeavor to get to the end of telling us some things that will hopefully shape this new season. So hooray for you. Yes, really appreciate you. Thank you, big cuddles.
Speaker 1:Thank you for taking the time to sit there and pick your own brain and tell us all about it. You made Lindsay sing. Look at you, look what you did. Yes, tell us all about it. You made Lindsay sing. Look at you, look what you did. Yes, look what you did, I did it. To sum up, about 30% of respondents found out about us from the Fiction Podcast Weekly, woo-hoo, and about 30% of us found out from Facebook Yay. An additional 10% specified the Audio Drama Hub. So I'm going to.
Speaker 1:Actually, I think we should sort of slot Audio Drama Hub under Facebook, because yeah, possibly where they meant Possibly where they meant yes, and unless they had me complaining or pushing it or something on my own feed, but anyway. So yeah, and in terms of the experience to date, about half of the respondents have written unproduced fiction podcast scripts, like they've written a script and it's here. Or it's there or it's somewhere.
Speaker 2:If you're one of those people, you are the people we want to help to get it finished.
Speaker 1:Yes, that doesn't mean that we don't want to help these other people. 40% of respondents have produced or been a showrunner Groovy. 20% have written a show but not produced it, and 10% have never made a fiction podcast. How exciting. The next one was one of the ones where you can answer more than one thing. The resource we provide that respondents valued most is 90% said resource recommendations. There are so many now. Sarah and I are very good at that.
Speaker 2:It's very easy. We love our community, don't we? We want to share good places, to go and help. So yeah, keep an eye on this series, because there's going to be loads thrown at you.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, people seem to tell us when they have something they want to recommend too. So, it's very easy for us to do that, and if you have resources that you want to recommend, please let us know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they can send that to writersadwit at gmailcom, so you can find us also on X or Twitter, as we still like to refer to it as at AdWit podcast and ping your things there or to, as I said, our email, so yeah, and Facebook. We can be found all over the place. Our email, so yeah, and Facebook we can be found all over the place.
Speaker 1:Quite frankly, I think the most direct route is writersadwoodatgmailcom, but we're around, you can find us. So 80% of respondents said that they valued most the writing strategies and 80% also said examples and discussion so we can do examples and discussion of writing strategies.
Speaker 2:That's 160% satisfied, right there Is that how maths?
Speaker 1:works. There we go 100%. We're going to give 110%. Another 60% said that they enjoyed the fictional narrative. Another 50% said that they enjoyed the show's audio environments or sound design. I love being in a boat with you, lindsay. I love being in a boat with you, or on a beach, or in an arcade or in a Anywhere, yeah, anywhere. 40% said that they valued the writing exercises and 10% said inspiration or encouragement 10%.
Speaker 2:so 90% are totally needing more satisfaction in that department, Lindsay. So we've got to up the ante on the inspiration and encouragement you can do this I am actually.
Speaker 1:one of the things that I'm learning a lot about is that you have to reward yourself when you're doing something involving deep work. You have to reward yourself before, during and after. You have to have the nice desk and the nice writing environment. You got to give yourself a little. Give yourself a cookie before, have cookies while you're writing and then you get a cookie afterwards. So cookies all around for everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I ordered some like non-alcoholic beer the other day to see if that would be a good like reward. How'd it go?
Speaker 1:didn't like it oh anyway, what's it?
Speaker 2:go ahead, go ahead. Well, no, it's just, it's just not, it's just, yeah, I think. Just stop there, really, I'm not going to explain, I'm just going to leave it lingering, as we sometimes like to. Yes, so that maybe we can come back to it later. Yes, all of these circular story telling techniques, right even in this nonfiction podcast. We're doing storytelling. What should we address? So tell us, lindsay, what could they do without Tell us what they could do without.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was the sad part. Okay 40% of people who responded to our survey said that they could do without the writing exercises. Okay, fair enough. 30% said they could do without audio environments no beaches, environments.
Speaker 2:No beaches, no mountain tops, they just want us.
Speaker 1:Like this and 10% fictional narrative. 10% said they could do without the fictional narrative. Like hey, Sarah, I'm going to jump in this MRI machine While you read me poetry.
Speaker 2:With my non-alcoholic beer. Pouring outside, out into the ether, because I don't like it yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what should we address? This was open-ended answers and in general, the answers fall into two groups. People wanted information about getting from the initial idea to the production script, and people who wanted to learn how to produce and promote an audio drama. We'll get to that Great.
Speaker 2:I need to know that too.
Speaker 1:Another thing that people asked for was industry stats and surveys.
Speaker 2:So as we all know, Sarah and I are very good at resource recommendations, sarah.
Speaker 1:Yes, what's a great industry stat and survey warehouse.
Speaker 2:Well, I would say the pod news would be a brilliant place to start. It's a thing you can attempt to look at, not just relevant every week, but also back issues are worth having a delve because there's so many brilliant links in them. Do you use it weekly? I mean, you have to research for the podcast host, right, and you do, of course, the Fiction Podcast News Weekly. I do. Yeah, it's a great resilient resource, isn't it? And also, you know, it has like a little Doctor who kind of thing to it, where you know the writers get replaced now and then, but it's still amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I find there's a search box that is very helpful. Still amazing yeah, I find there's a search box that is very helpful. James Cridland, who makes Pod News, does a very good job of coding that site minimalistically, so there isn't a whole lot going on, but if you're looking for a weird topic in podcasting, chances are pretty good. It's there, yes, and if you?
Speaker 2:want to put your stuff in there, do I did it for wireless. I work as a production manager. I didn't mention that earlier. Stuff in there, do I did it for wireless. I work as a production manager I didn't mention that earlier for wireless theater. Now, and it's only a day or so a week, but I try and pack in so much and we did geyser bird and I I popped in, uh, as much as I could to various social media places and that was one and I think we did get some good traction from that. So, but you know it's got great distribution and perhaps we might even edit in what its distribution is after this moment here, as of january 13th 2025, they have 32 000 active newsletter subscribers based all around the world, according to their website we do love our james cridland.
Speaker 1:Getting back to what I said before, answers fell into two groups People who wanted info about getting from the initial idea to the final production script, people who wanted info about getting from the initial idea to the final production script. And people who wanted to learn how to produce and promote an audio drama. Yes, we'll give you some resource recommendations later on. Sarah, we do that very well, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think there's a lot out there isn't there, and I think it's a burgeoning, brilliant place. And, yeah, I'd love for us to be able to celebrate each other's stuff more as well. I think we can talk about strategies of doing that, and I know a lot of the things we do perhaps are navel gazing, but sometimes it's a good thing.
Speaker 1:Perhaps a navel gazing, but sometimes it's a good thing. How is it navel gazing?
Speaker 2:I'm just curious as in you're promoting in on your own stuff right, Promoting our own stuff to our own beautiful world, and sometimes that's good and I don't think we should complain about it as much as I've heard people do. I think it's still a good thing and it's still about celebrating, sharing and learning about other people's brilliant storytelling by doing that.
Speaker 2:Yes, I wholeheartedly agree, so yes, of course, there's the pursuit beyond that of a bigger circle, of finding other ways of people finding us, and we'll talk about those too in this season. So you watch out, there's going to be some brilliant tips for you to jump in and play with.
Speaker 1:I think I know what you mean and I'm very excited about it. People said what should we include? 90% said interviews with other audio drama writers. Sarah, you have interviewed a lot of audio drama writers on NDAF.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm lucky. I'm so lucky to have spoken to some of the very best in this field. I've got to say it makes me very excited. I fangirl and try and behave myself when I'm speaking to them. So, yeah, I've got a plethora of super amazing folks. As I mentioned earlier, Victoriosity team, I have the Camlan team, Ella Watts and Amber Devereaux coming to chat on various aspects. I have the Long Cat Media team and I know you've spoken to Lindsay Sharman of that very recently. So there's all sorts of amazing, brilliant writers there.
Speaker 2:I just think, yeah, if you want to hear from them, jump in on the next season or so of that and we'll hopefully sate people's desires to hear writers talking about writing too other than us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know if people want to hear it. Now you have an interview with Paul Bay. That was good, yeah, and you also have you interviewed Tom Crowley at some point.
Speaker 2:I did Tom Crowley on Mediva Podcast as well. Yes, so Mediva Podcast and NDAF have got a mishmash of producers and voice actors, writers, musicians all sorts. And so, yeah, there's some wonderful writers. Yeah, I mean, the brilliance of Casey Weyland is in there Lauren Shippen I have the team behind Secret of St Kilda and, oh my gosh, faith McQuinn. You know, there's just people who are absolutely stellar Karen Heimdall of Chukka and Y2K. Yeah, there's people from all over the world who I've spoken to. So, yeah, have a delve.
Speaker 1:And hopefully that will see you If you go to NDAF and, just you know, go through her back catalogue. It's a very she has a very impressive back catalogue. And the other thing too is I know you're a really good interviewer and I don't feel like I'm as good of an. Okay, I'm trying not to say rude things about myself, but I think honestly, I'm not as good of an interviewer as you are because I haven't had the practice.
Speaker 2:Well, this is the thing it's like by perhaps by doing so much, I've hopefully honed that craft a little bit, and I think that's the same with the writing right If you do it more, you can hone it. And yeah, I truly enjoy interviewing very much and I'm very excited to do this and a new season of Indie AF soon so yeah, so jump in, jump in and have a listen, if you want to, of India soon.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so jump in, jump in and have a listen if you want to. So what else should we include for our next exciting adventures?
Speaker 1:90% of respondents said that they wanted anatomy of a scene breakdowns, which I think is fun and interesting and we should do that. 60% of people said that they wanted information about how to produce.
Speaker 2:Okay, so this is what's lovely about you You're bigging at me and I want to big up you and I think regards to your prowess on the writing front and your enthusiasm for all things gorgeously. Audio is infectious and I hope that that comes through this podcast and that people can personally thank you one day for making them get to the end of that script right I am deeply grateful for to you for saying that.
Speaker 1:And before this turns into just a total mush fest, uh, 10 of people wanted a discussion channel for a question that we posed ah well, goodness, we listened, didn't we to to this survey we yes, well, oh, you want to discuss things well.
Speaker 2:Look what Lindsay did people. Lindsay has created drumroll effects.
Speaker 1:We have a Discord server for people who listen to AdWit now or people who are audio drama writing enthusiasts in general. Yeah, we called Andy. When you come on in the water's fine, we will put a link in the show notes and if you are a spammer, our army of bots will remove you Indeed.
Speaker 2:It's a glorious place. There's some wonderful people in there having some really interesting and insightful things to say, so we'd love you to join us.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If you need that in your life discussion channel via Discord, jump in.
Speaker 1:Exactly, I think. One day somebody said I'm stuck. Oh, I'm sorry, I don't know their pronouns. The person said I finished an episode and I don't feel good about it and all of a sudden we were all there to go oh, do this, do that, take a walk, get some fresh air, have a bath, smell some flowers, stand on your head here are some things. And then, a few days later, the person wrote back saying I feel better now because I did what you suggested Team.
Speaker 2:Good work, Discord.
Speaker 1:People really win on AdWit Join us. So yeah, yes, adwit Join us. So yeah, yes. So the big final question for the survey was if you had to choose one of the following for AdWit, which would it be? Would you rather have frequent, consistent episodes with one or maybe two people talking about how to write for audio fiction, without audio environments or a fictional narrative, or would you like less frequent episodes with writing instruction, more than one or two voices, immersive audio and fictional things going on? And you couldn't choose both. No, you could not choose both. So 80% of respondents said that they wanted an episode like Sarah and I are doing now Frequency chatting Hello, here we are, we're just talking about writing and 20% said that they would prefer less frequent episodes with, you know, sarah and Lindsay go to the Philadelphia Museum of Art, sarah and Lindsay are on a plane making a crash, so on and so forth. Crazy days, personally.
Speaker 2:I find I need, I need Come on, share it, lindsay. Spit it out, what do? You need I need a lot of stimulation in my podcast Right Massaging you.
Speaker 1:Now I need text, subtext, background sounds, music, excitement. Here it's the sound of me playing with my little Jasper stone here. I need a lot of stuff going on in my shows. The only way I can listen to two people talking podcasts is if I'm driving in heavy traffic. Okay, I need a lot of stimulation. What do you think, sarah Gosh?
Speaker 2:I love it, all I've got to say, but I'm more of an audio fiction listener than nonfiction, I've got to say. So I don't really listen to many talk podcasts. I listen to the radio, yeah, but that's like ephemeral in a way, isn't it? It's there and it's gone forever, whereas you know podcasts you can visit, although a lot of radio you can still revisit. But it's like, generally, it's like they're in the moment and sometimes I do like to live in this moment like right now, and I'm really appreciating this fun time with you.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, so what are we going to do then?
Speaker 1:If you're not quite sure what's the plan. I think a simpler podcast is more sustainable and honestly our original goal with this was to help people make better shows.
Speaker 2:And that's what we want to do.
Speaker 1:So we are going to refrain from having these field trip to the Duchamp exhibit, mri lab stuff. Those episodes are fun but they're labor intensive and they're time consuming unless you know showing what we're discussing makes sense. We're not stretching anything further than necessary. For example, if you go back to our text and subtext episode, remember that's our text and subtext. Oh glorious, I remember Text and subtext and the whole thing with the cat. That was reasonable, that didn't add too much extra work. But we're going to do our best to provide a simple, consistent show that helps you get from the idea to the script that you can hand off to someone else and say here, here you go, have fun producing it but you have to be able to let it go too, and we'll talk about that, because that's really hard as well, oh God.
Speaker 2:So why are we not doing a season of our production then?
Speaker 1:Sarah, I, I, I'm afraid I'm not going to say anything negative. I'm not going to say anything negative, sarah. You are so much better about saying positive things. Okay, there's a lot of resources about podcast production in general, and a lot of what fiction producers do overlaps with what nonfiction producers do.
Speaker 2:With the organization. Yeah, yeah, getting people to where they should be knowing what they should know on time to time.
Speaker 1:There's loads of resources for that. Yeah, what we want to do is we want to do a show about writing because we love it. That's what it says on the tin.
Speaker 2:We love it, though it's writing tools for writers. Do you write every day?
Speaker 1:Me yeah, oh boy, good question. I have to write a big brain dump for myself every day, or I can't just like open up the head and let the sunshine fly out, kind of thing. I have to sit down and I have to just dump out everything every day, and optimally I should do an end of day wrap up too, just to sort of like soothe myself at the end of the day. But I don't because I'm tired.
Speaker 2:Okay, but you plan right, because you're plotting, you're thinking so, not necessarily that you're not, though I feel like this is another key thing, that writing isn't just the act of putting words onto a pad or a screen. It's the work, the cerebral time you give yourself. So I think you're writing if you're going for a walk with your lovely dog, simone, and you're thinking about a character or a thing or even an environment that inspires you, right? So I think, every day, somehow we're writing and I love that.
Speaker 1:I think that's a lovely way to think about it. Thank you, I thought it myself I think that's very true, and I don't give myself time credit for it. Like I sit here saying to myself well, what were you doing for the last day? All you were doing was daydreaming. Well, no, I was thinking about you. Know if you're reading about your topic, or you're thinking about your topic, or whatever you're doing your research.
Speaker 2:Being with yourself, right and listening to yourself. We have think time, yeah, and I think that think time is so powerful and beautiful and we don't give sometimes that time enough credence in our beautiful, busy, wonderful lives, do we?
Speaker 1:Yes, I think you are correct. Thank you, I think you are absolutely right. So then, yeah, yes, I think you are correct. Thank you, I think you are absolutely right. For people who want a show about how to produce a podcast, I highly recommend Indie AF, obviously, because you have a lot of producers on who talk about their process and what they do. Yeah, I also really recommend Atypical Artist Resource Guide.
Speaker 2:Super people yes.
Speaker 1:Sarah, tell them about Atypical Artist Resource Guide, super people. Yes, sarah, tell them about Atypical Artist.
Speaker 2:Well, Lauren Chippin's team of beautiful souls who are creating all sorts of wonderful narratives across a huge array of different storytelling techniques and people and, I think, very forward thinking and always very warm. You know, I think there's always a heart involved at the very depth of that. So if you're looking for something with heart and something that's encouraging, that will tell it how it is and is woke, let's face it. I hate that word, but that will explain to you what I mean. Lindsay's doing her eyes is like oh my God. Sorry, you said the word.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it's okay because I'm woke, but I'm woke. Let's call it a commitment to inclusivity, maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's much better. Commitment to a CTI yes a commitment to inclusivity?
Speaker 1:Well yeah, but the thing is that you and I both know a commitment to inclusivity in your writing is basically saying I want the widest possible pool of people to be able to engage with my show.
Speaker 2:Relevantly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And you can't reduce that to a one-syllable word like woke.
Speaker 2:No, but I think we should now try and push out into the world the CTI important and not to be confused with STDs, which I know everyone knew I would say, but I can't help myself. But yes, ctis, let's share the love and the need for it Cause you know the more commitment to total inclusivity.
Speaker 1:That's. You've had another T.
Speaker 2:CTTI, ctti yeah.
Speaker 1:So atypical artists has a resource guide. We will put a link in the show notes, another resource guide. In my opinion, I love this. People, multitude, yeah, they're lovely people. They're so enthusiastic. Um, the, the resource guide is a little it's. It's been around for a few years, yes, and also I was it. One of the things I really value about it is that it has a budget, a sample budget template that you can put into Excel or something like that, which is great, and Atypical Artist has that too. And the thing is that I think Atypical Artist has like oh, here's something you can make on like a shoestring budget, and Multitudes Productions was like oh, yeah, and this will cost you 70 grand.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yeah, if you're paying everybody at the basics of what they should be paid. That was the element of reality. The element of reality. But not many people who are working in indie environments have 70 grand kicking in their butt pocket, do they? I mean, you know I'm wearing Tesco's pants, not Marks and Spencer's. I'm lying. I am actually wearing Marks and Spencer's pants today.
Speaker 1:Stop mentioning pants, right Move on, you're fine, sarah, I'm enjoying it. Right, move on, you're fine, sarah, I'm enjoying it. I don't want to get started about money and podcasting, because that's not what this show is about. No, oh boy. Yes, bombs Always Beep by Casey Weyland, which I believe is in its second edition now Indeed. Yeah, everybody loves that one.
Speaker 2:Hugely accessible, Really brilliant, creative. Casey Weyland if you haven't found there, we're Alive season. Where have you been? It's had over 2 billion infected downloads. Go listen to the interview I have with him as well. We've mentioned already he's very groovy.
Speaker 1:I have to say, the only thing I haven't enjoyed about the we're Alive series is that I'm not the target audience. I mean I'm just not.
Speaker 2:That's interesting, isn't it? I was putting my questions together for NDAF and I was asking people who is your demographic and how do you know? And that's quite interesting. So maybe we should do an episode on that.
Speaker 1:We should. Well, you know what People can tell us on our discord server, but our discord tell us.
Speaker 2:Do you want that episode, or would it be rubbish? Do you just not need it because you know who your audience is?
Speaker 1:my audience is everybody. Everybody's gonna love my show in the whole world.
Speaker 2:Everybody are you yes, there's somebody in oman listening going. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I love you, Lindsay yeah.
Speaker 2:In some kind of Irish accent. Yeah, but yeah, groovy. Sometimes all his beep is groovy.
Speaker 1:Finally, and your favorite, Another resource 11th Hour Audio yes, 11thhouraudiocom. It's a thing of beauty. Go check them out. There's. 11th Hour Audio yes, 11thhouraudiocom. Go check them out, there's a lot on there.
Speaker 2:There's episodes of interviews as well, and discussion. There's all sorts. It's not just audio fiction on there, yeah, and we have talked about it before, but if you want to dip your foot in and you've never made audio before, there's a massive collaborative event that happens every October, but you can register it and find out more about it now. Of collaborative event that happens every October, but you can, like register it and find out more about it now. So go to the link and have a little browse if you want to get stuck in, because you can share your writing, you can act, you can edit. There's all sorts of roles available in a safe and groovy, gentle environment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's actually Sarah and I. The first project that we ever worked on together was an 11th hour audio show which was also how I got to work with Ella Watts, which was exciting.
Speaker 2:Yes, that was a glorious show. I was talking to Katie Seaton about it the other day, how beautiful her music for Breathless was.
Speaker 1:So, okay, we have a Discord server. I just told you about that. So please come over and say hello. I'm going to put a link in the show notes. I'm so nervous about doing that. It's sort of like. It's like opening, opening the doors. Hello everyone, Come on in we don't know you perhaps.
Speaker 2:What if nobody comes? Oh well, we'll just keep talking until the people that want it and need it come. Yes, because it's a place that's there now, right, and it's not going anywhere Like we didn't plan on doing that either.
Speaker 1:So yeah, if you've never heard of Discord, I wrote an article about it for work. I would be remiss in my duties if I didn't recommend the podcast host as a resource thepodcasthostcom and the podcast host also has the IndiePod community, but in any case, that's thepodcasthostcom.
Speaker 1:I wrote an article for thepodcasthostcom about Discord for podcasters and I will put a link in the show notes, because if you're listening to this and you're saying what the heck is it, what does it do, can you press it? I don't want Discord, I want Concord, I want harmony.
Speaker 2:Bring it back.
Speaker 1:Bring it back.
Speaker 2:Yes, it will explain how to use Discord I thought you meant an actual Concord that you wanted and I thought, yeah, I'd love to go on, Concord no it's thinking Concord, like harmony, yes, when we all come together, as opposed to Discord, when we're apart but also bringing us together.
Speaker 2:You see, if you haven't heard AdWit before, this is me and Lindsay personified. Okay, this is what you're going to get in this podcast for the next however many episodes Us being like this, enthusing you to do stuff, make stuff better in our beautiful roundabout way yeah.
Speaker 1:Because people need that. I mean I know people need that. I mean I know I need that. Yeah, and I also think one of the we you need enthusiasm until up to a point until you're on the edge of the cliff like and now you're done. Now you're done, let go, let go of the script, let go of the keyboard, let it go, let it go, let it go let it go, boy.
Speaker 1:I gotta tell you, whoever wrote let it go, let it go, boy. I got to tell you, whoever wrote Let it Go must be just sitting on a massive pile of money.
Speaker 2:Let's hope so On a massive pile, because it's in all of our heads now and I'm not going to sing it.
Speaker 1:It's in everybody's heads. So, in any case, what do you think we learned from this amazing survey?
Speaker 2:I think people want us chatting about how to make their writing better and we need to get to the nub of that the nub. So we've got CTT, nub, CIT, nub. This is all going on.
Speaker 1:Some people said they wanted genre help. Yes, great. So remember when Apple Podcasts didn't have a fiction section and then all of a sudden they said oh okay, we're going to have a fiction category, so there's going to be fiction, drama, horror, sci-fi, that's it, and shows like Margaritas and Donuts and the like.
Speaker 2:It's like where do we go?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I think it's. On the one hand, I'm like, yeah, we should talk about how to write sci-fi and horror, because that's not something I'm very good at, but it's something I know a lot about. And another part of me is like, no, let's talk about how to write pirate ship fake docudramas that are romantic comedies.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I want that in my life. I need to finish Space Pirates. That's what I need to finish. That's what makes me think of what you've just said. But yeah, that's it. It's finding a place getting that inspiration to. Yes, there are so many stories untold that are in all of the brains of you brilliant people listening and we want to hear them, we want them made. So I do hope that your writing is going well, don't we Lindsay yes? And if not, we are going to produce some inspiring episodes to help motivate and to get you get your groove on your writing. Groove, You're going to find it. I won't do that accent again, Sorry.
Speaker 1:I think we should have an episode that's just hello, yes, you're going to walk. Now you are walking over to the table or the desk or whatever you've got. You've got your glass of water. Pen of choice. You've got your pen Quill Pencil. You've got your pen of choice. It's your favorite pen.
Speaker 2:It's got plenty of ink in it.
Speaker 1:It's going to be like Bob Ross, but for writing, you're just going to start putting some happy little words in here. Some happy little words. Give him a little friend. It was a dark and stormy night. We're going to start off with that. It's a dark and stormy night, but those trees aren't worried because they're all together with their happy little friends. Happy little trees with their happy little friends.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I'm growing a perm as I talk.
Speaker 1:Oh Sarah, oh my God, it's a big, Beautiful beard. Sarah, what's your project that you're working on lately? What are you working on?
Speaker 2:That's a good question because probably, like many listeners, it's not just one, it's about 57. No, I have things in various stages and I need to sit down. This is what I'm going to do as of this today, chat, I'm going to sit down and I'm going to write the list of the things that I'm doing and I'm going to actually prioritise three of them rather than 27, because I've got my foot in producer writing, script developing, script kind of place which we can talk about in the future. I've also want again to tell some children's stories and I think that perhaps is my area to to live as a storyteller.
Speaker 1:Um you have such a good voice for things like silly old bear, and if people haven't listened to Silly Old Bear, please do. I loved it.
Speaker 2:We're doing season two very shortly. I should have recorded it today, but I haven't.
Speaker 1:Because you're with me. Oh my God, that's okay, adwit.
Speaker 2:AdWit is just yeah, it's happening and Silly Old Bear will happen next.
Speaker 1:Silly Old Bear is an absolute delight. It's a gorgeous, gorgeous full cast, and that's going to be one of the things that we're going to talk about is how you get from idea to the next step. Yes, so I'm excited about that. I'm excited.
Speaker 2:I can't wait. I think we should stop talking now so we can get on with that episode right.
Speaker 1:I think that's a great idea. Let's make it happen.
Speaker 2:So we're just going to stop talking. Thank you for listening. Thank you so much. We love you. We hope you enjoy this season.
Speaker 1:We hope you enjoy the upcoming season once it gets here. We thank you all for taking the survey again. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, and this gives us lots of good ideas and now we know what kind of show you need from us and we will make some magic happen. It's gonna happen here kids happy writing. Happy writing Avanti, onward and upward. Thank you, 6630 Productions. Thank you.
