Live from the Guiding Bright Minds Resource Fair

We're live  from the Guiding Bright Minds Resource Fair to talk about what families actually need when they’re raising neurodivergent kids and feeling stretched thin. We share how community-based support gets built, why “good enough” consistency works, and how trauma-informed care can open new options for both kids and adults. 
• the Colorado history of parent-led support groups and why many fade over time 
• how Guided Bright Minds builds an all-in-one umbrella for ADHD, autism, dyslexia, Tourette syndrome, and more 
• why we keep the network free for parents through a provider-supported model 
• our “51% consistency” rule for consequences, rewards, and daily battles 
• how parents can triage time, energy, and finances without shame 
• why community reduces isolation for families of neuroexceptional kids 
• the emotional reality of building services that families can trust 
• trauma, bullying, and how shame impacts both kids and parents 
• ketamine therapy, psilocybin in therapeutic settings, and integration support 
• neurofeedback as a tool for reducing overwhelm and improving regulation 
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Real Talk Parenting Introduction

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to Legit Parenting, where we ditch the social media perfect parent advice and talk about what really happens and matters in the trenches of parenthood and family life. I'm Craig Nippenberg, father of four, grandfather of two, best-selling author, keynote speaker, and family therapist with over 40 years of experience helping parents understand how their kids' brains work. Through my books, private practice, and consulting work, I've developed practical strategies that help real parents navigate the tough stuff and build resilient kids. With me is Sidney Moreau, producer, and your tell it like is mom friend who's living proof that hot mess mom isn't a stereotype. It's a survival strategy and proof that it's okay. No judgment, no pretending, just real talk from a mom who gets it. Whether you're struggling with school drop-offs, navigating social media drawlers, trying to hold your marriage together, dealing with a divorce, or raising a kid who doesn't fit the bowl, you're in the right place. This is Legit Parenting, where we keep it real and remind you, just relax. You only need to be this side of good enough.

Live From The Resource Fair

SPEAKER_07 1:23

And Sumi's gonna have a big job today because for the first time ever, we're doing a live podcast here at the Guiding Bright Minds Resource Fair at Denver Academy. And it is rescredible to have something like 450 vendors, all source of providers for very exceptional students, and their parents and their family owns all kinds of services. There are lots of fun, lots of excitement. Um it really is just an amazing thing to see the community come together like this. We have activities for kids, two tracks women that they're all dedicated to helping neuroexceptioner students and families. Now to start us off, you follow the dieting bike minds perfectly fine gold. Well trying.

SPEAKER_05 2:23

Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for having me.

How Colorado Support Groups Started

SPEAKER_07 2:33

It is with true joy, and I to get to you, I want to start with history. The history of support groups in Colorado. So I've been here since 81 working professionally, and back in the day, we knew kids were struggling, they had exceptional arteries, maybe parents got a diagnosis. There weren't a lot of resources. Dyslexia probably had the most. But over the years, it was moms on a mission whose child had dyslexia, ADHD, Tourette Syndrome, Autism Spectrum Disorders. And it took some of those moms to decide I don't want to do this alone. And I want to reach out and help other moms and other families. And they started support group. Our ADD group at one point had 20 running support groups throughout Colorado. It was amazing also national faculty. And the founder there was Pamela Murray, who actually testified before Congress to make ADHD a qualifying permission for an RE click. That was amazing. Lori Vanderhuis, founder of the Interet Symbol Association Girth. Sarah Pistoli, dyslexia growth. The problem is those moms aged out. They were ready to stop to retire. And you get what's called founder symbol, which is you can't, you don't have enough money as a non-fother to pay somebody as many hours as they dedicated to the calls. And so the Greeks then just kind of fussled out. It was still through, but folded in the chair, threads folded. So it was hard to keep them going for the next generation. But today it's Tiffany who is the next generation of moms, who's fighting for the child, and she's fighting for other tanks and families. And that just isn't called her. You're the next generation where you create a model that is sustainable financially, free for the parents, riding ours, etc. So I'm gonna get Ruth back to talk. Just talk about it.

Why Guided Bright Minds Exists

SPEAKER_07 4:54

How did you start? How did you what was your first ideas about cleaning this?

SPEAKER_05 5:01

The first is because as a parent you feel lost. It was mind-boggling to me that there wasn't an organization like this. There's a lot of amazing ones at the Autism Society of Salvadorado, Devreat Miley said specialties, but not all encompassing. And there wasn't a directory. You go to Google and you look up psychologist, thousands of names come up. And so as I'm trying to navigate the system, you're trying to support your son or your child, trying to figure out the services. And I literally was drowned. I was so overwhelmed and so exhausted. And so I guess I'm just one of those people that if you find that there's a need, then I'm gonna feel that need. And you were a driving force behind that Craig. You and Kyle how are looked and understand because you work with so many families of what that gap is. And that helped shape the foundation of what to do. But it truly from selfish reason, it was for me. And I didn't want another parent to feel like that because you just are so isolated, even though we had so much support. We feel like you don't in a way. Yeah. There is that.

SPEAKER_07 6:39

Yeah, that's beautiful.

Consistency Without Perfection

SPEAKER_07 6:40

And that resonates with so many parents. Uh, my current lecture series recently, based on my second book, Shame Free Parenting, is the care and feeding of the exceptional ponch souls. Because it is really tough. You're just dealing with it every day. And then you have people telling you on social media, don't have consequences for a kid, or just listen, everything will be perfect. And you're like, well, trying to do that, well, that's not working. And then you just feel alone and worn down. And so one of the things I mentioned in the book, it's parental consistency is really important for the year with a tough. So we make the use, we have reward the consequences, get on following ways, and you want to try to be consistent. Now, I like to think before COVID, I used to say 80% of the time, reading if you get a B and parent, we're being following if you have no typical parts. B's great. There's no A's and parents. And if you have exceptional kids, maybe 65% of the time, that's good enough. But during COVID, I readjust it all to say, okay, if you got more than two little kids, shoot the 65 to 70 percent. If you have exceptional kids, a preschool or a high school, shoot the 51, and you passed, that's all you need is 51% of the time. Because in the annuals, it's not gonna make that much difference. With change on the UBI. And there's times where, let's say you tell them, okay, Bobby, you gotta put your shoes away in your bedroom, you don't leave them all in the living room, and you come home, you've been working all day, you finish your dishes, and you just fall into bed, and there's your shoe. Now, according to theory, Nisha knock on the door and say, Bottom, you gotta come out with your shoes, but that from experience usually leads to revival resistance and more stress. So you just pick them up and toss him by the door. And 49% of the time, that's just fine. And so they're not up to another catapult contest to coalition of all different moods and points of view of argument, right? And so that's just fine. And also having other moms to support your other parents. And what you said at first, because there are other organizations, but it's like their single umbrella for like a particular diagnosis. ADHD, dose, OS2. They're all anti-separate umbrellas. What you created is an umbrella, a giant umbrella over all of them. So that parents can sign other girls, fine providers, you know, members of the program get hooked up with about any service you can imagine. I'm always amazed at how many new services, types of services there are. I'm like, wow, I never heard of that one. There's all kinds of things when you're and it's in shop shopping. It's like a mega mall, right? You don't have to drive all in time, it's right there online, and it's fridge. Yeah, and also for it's a full-dimensor model, and know what the correct name came in. That get models being later run with people driving is you have to have financial resources, right? And so what Timothy came up with, rather than cholerity parents, that referral sources, private practices, business rules that work with the sexual families like my own, should pay a monthly fee to be part of a network where parents can access. And you invite different professionals to talks, Zoom movements, all kinds of stuff. You have coffees for grants, just and was fair. Oh, so that's been allowed you and it's grown some months. It's unbelievable, but that's allowed you to make it fun financially sustainable and not have the tools once you retired for. So did I get it right?

Making Help Free For Parents

SPEAKER_05 11:07

Yes, yes. And that was when I was looking at how to set up this type of model and what would make sense, knowing as a parent of a near durage child, how much you spend on services. And that's why I wanted it free for the parents. That was so important to me because um we're draining so many areas and having the opportunity to meet all the providers, like you said, and under one umbrella, because we know most of our kiddos don't have them in diagnosis. So if you have to go be there for autism, here for ADHD, let's screen it all here. And besides just a directory, I didn't want it to be just like, oh, here's a list of memoritis, but it's a community that respects each other, works together collaboratively, and really has the best interest of the family. Well, this is for the getting business. No, that's a component, obviously, but it's no, it's more about how do we work together because the one thing that we have is not just on the child, it's not just in on the dog, but it's also parents. And that's one thing I want to say to you, penance.

Parent Coaching And Self-Care

SPEAKER_05 12:33

We really need to pause to for us to truly take care of ourselves. And I really am an advocate for parent coach. If you haven't sought out parent coaching or parent support services, that's was impactful for me. Because everyone tells you to focus on all the services for your child, which is great. But again, we need help. We need services with just as much. It's not all important.

SPEAKER_07 13:09

Because my mental health is yes, indeed. Well, I was thinking about when I started in the 80s, there were lots of psychologists, source rators, therapists in town, and everybody had their own little cassette, and they didn't really refer out to anybody else. And one of the things I did, and I was at a meeting of a bunch of therapists a while back, and they called me the OG because I built this dude's practice, and it was built on referring families to other providers for the services would have been awful. Or didn't need offer them, but it was an hour drive. So why wouldn't I send them to somebody that's 15 minutes ago? And then if I've getting a big list for nothing the size of your it's just incredible. So now I'm gonna ask you to be emotionally vomited and tell us how you feel other than the stress of running loops. So when you slip back, we look out these loffy windows, I see bubbles, dingery. How does it fool to hold it down?

SPEAKER_05 14:18

It's you are gonna make me cry. It's it's been a it's been a journey, but such a passion for people and providers. I feel blessed when I look out the windows and I see the joy. I see the providers, collaborating, the parents, the excitement. It it truly it humbles me that I'm blessed to be. Sorry.

SPEAKER_07 14:50

That is the best. And I like for humbleness, you're a very humble person. You're a strong worker, you you've got energy and work retail. And always make humble notes. And the other thing about Tiffany, she has the most incredible empathy for other characters. She gets it herself and she extends for everything to everyone. And I'm gonna make myself cry. That's why we're always on the show where things of beauty make me cry. I think we already had it. We're not even through the show, but I think we just had that moment of duty. Because this is a really beautiful thing. Oh, you've done such a great job. I'm so proud of you. Again, Colorado is blessed. We have all kinds of house stories, we've host hair. We have a lot of slides. I did a talk at the mine institute and University of California, Davis, um, was second at them. And I started about all the circumstances that I offered my alphabet and American update. We don't have anything like that in California. I'm like, really? And that's when I'm right, that's 25 years ago. And it's excluded really. We have great schools for exceptional students. We got Denver Academy, we're out here in the way. The Havern School, I'm on that board, we just came from a board meeting. We've got accelerator schools, which host uh this fair, those are these four years. Yeah. We can fight the boy Spanish school. So tag it out accelerated school, the Fusion Academy. So we've got all these schools and all these stuff of Sandwich. And thanks to you and your other thing. And hard worse, Paris T assignment. They ought to have some. Let's do these familiar's walking out of their pits. And the kids getting candy their little knick-knacks, of course. We're passing out Starbucks to our table, telling down a health narc item. But

What Parents Need At The Fair

SPEAKER_07 16:48

all right, now we want to turn our attention to some of the parent guests here and all the enthusiasm going around. And Dinger the Rock who's mascot is here. They got a pony for kids to touch or ride on, I don't know, all sorts of stuff. But I want to get the parents' perspectives for those attending. And our first guest was Courtney, a mother of three. Three. Okay. So we're sharing the mic is a lot of background noise, but we'll swear the mic. And Courtney, I just want to ask you to start. How does it feel to you as a mom with three quids and neuroexception?

SPEAKER_00 17:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:27

One, two, or all three? Two out of three, neuroexceptional quilt. So you know what I'm talking about. We're in the trenches, right? Like it's and so I'm gonna slide the mic over to Courtney and just ask her, what is this really?

SPEAKER_03 17:42

Hi, Craig. Thanks for interviewing me. I'm so excited to be here today. Um, this fair means everything to my kid and to my family because all the resources that are here are really what we need as a family to support my kids in element and to support me as a mom in raising them.

SPEAKER_07 18:04

Well, and you bring up a really good point. It it's there are so many resources. But how does one parent go about finding that? And the beauty of this is they're all right here. You can stroll along with your kids, bit their shoes, weed people. What was your process like trying to get those services you needed for rare kiss?

SPEAKER_03 18:27

It's really been a lot about fairs like this and talking to providers like you. Also, my kids like walking around and collecting all the goodies and the toys and the candy. So that helps. But yeah, just finding schools, finding therapists, finding other food. We found a gym, like a neurodiversity gym that my kids could go and play and search out. So there's all sorts of providers here that really focus on neurods and neuroex.

SPEAKER_07 19:01

That's great. You found a gym. So you're one of those moms who just keeps hunting till you get it. I like that. But it's also it's holly as a parent. And I I've often talked to parents about that, they might come see me for one of our groups, and you'll say, the teacher shout or the school said we need to have a sensitive group, we need to have test only, we need to move this team, we need this t. And we're overwhelmed. And my common response is well, you have to weigh out your time, your energy, and your finances. You have limited resources, and then you can't oratize. So if right now the group is going to be too much to commit to, we'll be here next year. And we've been around for 45 years, do a next year. That's fine. But did you sign that yourself two or sometimes, or you had a way out? How much can you draw in the three places on the tutor schedule and all of that? Let's see how much you do.

SPEAKER_03 20:07

That's a great question. I think what you just said about focusing yourself and knowing this is a journey really is helpful. Also, I think finding um places, organizations that kind of do more than one thing. Also, a fair like this, too. I wanted to say, I'd really feel plugged into a community where there's other families like my family. It was the most helpful thing to just feel like, oh, this is where I belong. And these people understand me and they know what I'm going through. That was incredibly supportive, too, and continues to be even today.

SPEAKER_07 20:50

There's two really good points there. Um, first, the journey. And it is a journey, really. And we're on that journey, my journal, my wife and I, with three of our cards. And it doesn't win. It doesn't go away. Every eight, they get older, the need strengths, the dynamics change, what support they hopefully using for themselves as adults, sometimes not. And you're always on this, waiting for your other shoe to fall when the phone rings and was one of them, and you're like, okay, what do we need now? How much money? Um, so it was, and that's you know, anybody that if you took me to something, they said, Oh, I'll screw them, they'll never have another problem again. Don't go to that place. It's not possible. It's taking one step at a time. It's like building the wall of China, one brick at a time. And that's you as a parent adjusting their aids, what their needs are. You just keep building bricks, finding places who have killed you with a solution boiling, a full other steel, and then they're Second point is you being part of a community. And that is so essential because often when you're having a self-little child, and there's research on this, and this was done with parents of leading the institute kids. And what they found was the parents became more and more isolated because it was their kid who was acting up at school. So they get the phone calls from the teacher. They get 10 times the many phone calls of more typical kids. That's how many the parents get. So you're overwhelmed by right. And then let's say we we go to the back-to-school picking, and your kid is acting up, and you're embarrassed, and you're like, oh my god, we can't learn a back-to-school thing. And for families that maybe attends or church, and the kids acting up in your Sunday school, and you just take them out. And maybe you go to service, but then acting on the service shoot, you leave. And you increasingly become more isolated from other parents because you feel different. Just like your kid feels different. Well, you feel different and tennis to withdraw, and that's the last thing you read. You need a community supportive parents that can be there for will support you on understanding.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

That's absolutely right. Thank you, Greg. That's exactly how it feels.

SPEAKER_07 23:23

Well, this has been lovely talking for me. And as a gift to you, I have my two books, free copies for you for being our guest on the show here the bed.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

It was really nice to be.

SPEAKER_07 23:37

Thank you, Clinton.

The Team Behind The Mission

SPEAKER_07 23:38

Right. Next uh, Clinton, that is all again, thanks to Tiffany, but was next person. I think it's fair to say she was Tiffany's right hand. And maybe left hand. Maybe both, because I've seen Today I'm both. Over the years, I've seen some work pretty well, put all this together in organise. It really is amazing. We have five other vendors. How long was it?

SPEAKER_06 24:07

So thank you for having me on, Craig. I've known Craig for years at this moment. Craig, we met at Orange Theory. That's the thing. Um yes. Fitness. Fitness is a life journey, right?

SPEAKER_07 24:18

Um I just had my 1600th class.

SPEAKER_06 24:21

Oh my god. That has to be like the 5% club.

SPEAKER_07 24:26

Probably of Orange Theory. It's a lot of hours of working on it.

SPEAKER_06 24:29

Yeah, it is. I think I'm only at 500. That's good. And the end of the year.

SPEAKER_07 24:34

I always sell people the first 500 of the Hollywood. After that, it gets easy.

SPEAKER_06 24:38

Then you're like, I got wait, no, it doesn't get easier. You get stronger.

SPEAKER_07 24:43

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. I'm older enough. A lot older than when I started.

SPEAKER_06 24:48

Right. So yeah, so for yeah, so this is a lot of work. We work all year long to do this. And really, we just get so much feedback that people want community, that they don't want to feel alone, that they want to feel seen and heard. And we march to that mission all year long. So when we feed, we need people that are in alignment with our mission, with our vision. I write their name down and I make sure to reach out to them, correct? So yes, but we have a great team. It's me, Tiffany, and we have a wonderful representative named Alana Yeager. We couldn't do it without them. We couldn't do it without these volunteers. We couldn't do it without all of our vendors. Yeah. It's a blur right now. Oh, that is. Yeah, we're so blessed.

SPEAKER_07 25:36

I had a flash deck to our memory. Now, how long have you worked in Tiffany?

SPEAKER_06 25:40

Two years. Two years. Just past our two-year anniversary.

SPEAKER_07 25:43

Back over the holidays, we they Tiffany hosts a little holiday cocktail hour and appetizers for the sponsors. So all the providers for the ones you pay left for you, like myself. And I'm bringing stuff in. I I volunteer to get the bevel choos. You don't bevel choice. Of course. I'm all over learning okay. Tiffany tells me that he's got the flu. And so we gotta take care of it all. Well, all of a sudden we falls out with a whole SUV full of stuff. Oh my gosh, go home. Just confused now. The setups, we had a great time, and I'm assuming we went home and went to the city.

SPEAKER_06 26:25

I definitely actually I went to urgent care afterwards and got medicine. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 26:30

Somebody did suffer heart to the man, I'm like, you still delivered the goods.

SPEAKER_06 26:35

Still did. I kept it in the bag. I kept it in the bag.

SPEAKER_07 26:41

I guess on a personal note, what what meaning to a position? Wow. Tell us about real journey.

unknown 26:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:52

And that's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 26:54

Yeah. So I goodness to summarize this. So I have been in business development most of my adult career. I was a life coach for a long time. Clearly, I worked at Orange Theory. So fitness and health is my own personal journey. And I come from a family with a lot of addiction, a lot of mental health issues. We definitely have neurodivergent individuals in our family. And I decided to go back to school to because I knew I didn't know enough about the brain and I wanted to be able to help people more. Um, but my background is in business development. So I found a job. I used to work for an intensive treatment program here. And I met Tiffany at an event, I think four or five years ago. And we just completely hit it off and we started coffee and conversations together. And when that organization that I was working with, they weren't going to be open anymore. I was like, what do I do now? Where do I go from here? And a big thing that I'm working on in my own personal journey is I want to live to my highest potential, right? And so for so much of my life, I've only focused on the physical aspect of that. And then I've gone through a lot of health issues the last couple of years, uh, which has really opened my eyes to be like, I want to go after what I want to do. So I started consulting on a business development. And that's when Tiffany was like, I want to take a guideness, guided bright minds to the next level. And I was like, I can help that. So yeah, so I joined her with that. And I I used to chase that 60-hour-a-we corporate ladder, and it's only one path to take. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 28:39

Is there anybody anybody you've ever met that hasn't hit it off with you?

SPEAKER_06 28:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 28:50

I I can't imagine you're not hitting it off with anything.

SPEAKER_06 28:54

You're so sweet. I was definitely born with the gift of gap. But there are I definitely have haters. We all got haters, Craig.

SPEAKER_07 29:01

And we just ignore the haters. Yes, we get we ignore the haters. Yes. But it's uh a sense. So growing up as a kid, I came from a Lucian background, very religious foreign, weekly in Sunday school, and midwork school, and that's my background there. We were it taught to his children about having a call. In this case, a call from God to find out your earth and let you still and sort of add it. Get that sense with guiding by the minds versus saying some average business and the force of that.

SPEAKER_06 29:37

Absolutely. And especially because with Tiffany and her family, she created something that wasn't out there. And I just am so inspired by that. And the fact that she lives and reads her mission, and she's just such a real human. And I get to work right next side of her and I get to see all the good, all the contrast. And I do what look outside at this fair. We have 130 vendors, we had 1100 people RSVP. That tells me that what we're doing is something that's needed. And to know that I get to play just a tiny little part in that brings me so much joy and purpose. So, yes, very much. And the fact that I'm supporting Tiffany and her family with this, I just, it's so special.

SPEAKER_07 30:29

It is. And you're touching Rush.

SPEAKER_06 30:31

Yeah. I hope so.

SPEAKER_07 30:33

A lot of times you're in the background making it happen. But the end result is you're touching loss.

SPEAKER_06 30:40

And making sure Tiffany never stops believing herself.

SPEAKER_07 30:44

Or overworks.

SPEAKER_06 30:46

Or overworks, yes. The girl go eat. Yeah. Self-care. But absolutely.

Helpers Need Help Too

SPEAKER_06 30:51

When I also, so I have an online platform where I help women with disordered eating and body image because that's been so much of my journey. I know sometimes in the neurodiversity space we don't talk about eating disorders or things like that. And I like to speak very transparently that I was that person with orthoorexia, bulimia. I was so obsessed with transforming my body, but I did none of the emotional work, mental work.

SPEAKER_07 31:20

And it takes a lot of it.

SPEAKER_06 31:21

It does, it takes and it's a balance. It takes all of that, right? And so that's a huge piece when you ask about kind of like my call. Yeah. Because I very much am a woman of spirituality and belief and faith. Yeah. And we need to be talking about that in this space.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

We do.

SPEAKER_06 31:37

We really do. And another piece, Craig, that's really important, especially for your listeners, is providers. There are providers that struggle with addiction, with eating disorders, with their rights. And I want to talk about that. I want to have a safe space for professionals to come and realize, hey, it's okay if those who help others need help themselves.

SPEAKER_07 31:58

Yes. There's a well-said book. I figured it was Heminground wrote the wounded. I've never read it. It's about when you're in the position of caring for others. Whether that's your uh our son's a surgeon, go mat, and trauma surgeon, having to deal with people that don't survive. Or if you're a therapist, teachers are in that role, you're clearing forever. And you end up collecting a lot of wounds over the air. It works for me that I I'm pretty good at letting things. I talked to my brad's disposal and associates about you have to be Teflon code. If you're old enough to remember Teflon, yes. It's so you're gonna feel the heat of what people are bringing to you. You have to let it go.

SPEAKER_06 32:47

I like that.

SPEAKER_07 32:48

Well, the only one I could use, I mean really gradual, still I said we're side of that's calling by heister. I want to be in a mental health state force, she's fine to see. And that one stuck. Oh, Macross is all coming on right. Um, I just moved the office recently, was the ticket. I had a friend of mine that she was stained glass windows. And they created me with a stained glass window of a column ground fair. Oh, hi, good man. And when I moved my office two weeks later, the last thing I'll take down is a kitchen. And it was the first one I showed up. It was Oh no, I'm gonna try. Timmy had the crown. So I lose that, and we're all in the process. We all have holes. Yes. Exactly. None of us are cheddar.

SPEAKER_06 33:38

We all have holes. I was hoping that was like a medium cheddar. No, I'd be like Pepperjack.

SPEAKER_07 33:46

We'll have our own personal struggles and we've got a tape and people are here about the students.

SPEAKER_06 33:52

And it's so refreshing. First, thank you for sharing. I mean, obviously, your listeners, but with me as well. And I think the more we talk about this, the more that's how we really break down the stigma. Yeah. And full transparency. I said this in a I did a speaking engagement recently, and I spoke very transparently. I've been to eating disorder treatments and how humiliating and embarrassing it was to be a mental health professional who had to give a leave of absence to my bosses and say, I need to go get help, even though my whole job is to help others do that.

SPEAKER_07 34:27

Yeah. Oh, dwarf they track a fraud.

SPEAKER_06 34:29

No, if you remember when I was slowly. We were talking about a call. What was that called? Oh working with Tiffany.

SPEAKER_07 34:42

Looned Ealer, along. Oh, there's some that took my bag. It was right there. It's was something about this. Oh I got it. Okay. Ready, so it's okay. So one of the things the sort of point was acceptance. Many things used to be hidden. In mental health for children, it's not really as big as when I started getting one.

SPEAKER_06 35:12

I can't even imagine it.

SPEAKER_07 35:17

Oh, that would bring shame on the film if we had to get critical for our kids. You can tell. Right. And and and now it's very much accepted. And it's moved to a new phase, which is empowerment. So you look all right.

Trauma Care And Modern Therapies

SPEAKER_07 35:30

Our next guest is actually a friend of Ian who was just with us who flew here from Detroit. And her name is Dominique Clandeau. Perfect. I got it. She's a trauma specialist. I am a trauma therapist. Yeah. Heroic guidelines.

SPEAKER_04 35:52

Yeah, absolutely. So I I work in the telehealth space. So I travel between Denver and Detroit. They kind of jokingly call it double Ds. And um so I work with uh Pennyway itself. Oh, I saw So I work with a wide variety of people, wide ages. And with trauma and a Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:14

Yeah, those it often goes together. I'm thinking of a couple young men with a modeling sea. Uh one is in high school and really struggling to manage was just counting. And it also had some aggressive behavior when we was little, and he would get over on the school and want to go home. And so he was a runner. That led to some very traumatic experiences 25 years ago or 10 years ago where he was locked in a closet.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

Right.

SPEAKER_07 36:45

And now has horrible memories. He stopped going to school, he's graduating next year, and the math thing still just makes him run away. But asked for his class and stopped running away. But it's there's a lot of trauma that often happens for the child because if our other small respond totally behind it. And it's monetizing and they suffer their own. So when some well-intentioned neighbor says, Oh my day, you just paint you're not doing it, it's your thought. That's not true. But uh the other one that crossed her mind is for children with threat C, so one of their behaviors was obsessive and personal derivatives. Yes. But very often they kick. Yes. They'd pick on themselves and hunt themselves. And the incidence of parents accrually poorly to social services by squares was as four times as high as where all two was hit. Because Matisse was thinking this kid's gonna hear it.

unknown 38:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 38:03

And that's okay, they're wicked or so good. Like the child and the parent. Yes, absolutely. That's it was such an overlaw.

Ketamine Therapy Explained Simply

SPEAKER_07 38:14

I understand you're going you're you did ketamine.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

I work with ketamine, therapeutic ketamine, and then in Colorado, I worked with psilocybin in the therapeutic sense.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

But what I have found is working with some with children, again, right now in the beginning, I would not suggest psilocybin. But ketamine, now, the the majority of people from my practice, you do have to be an adult. So it's it's at the younger. But what I have seen and heard with even the younger is that with the ketamine, it's a lower dose. It's not an anesthetic to knock you out. But what it does is it softens the ego. So the trauma that when you're working through the trauma, you can because it's it's all from within. And as a trauma therapist, the integration is that when they go through the experience, I am there's creating a psychological and physical safety so they can talk about what's their insights that they have received from this medicine. Then my job to help them take those insights and integrate it into their life. How is this? My thoughts, my philosophy on the two stories that you just shared with me, my heart goes out for those two people, those two young men. And if they had the if they if it was to damage the world, we have so many, well, so much more understanding that to recognize that with dyscalcula, with neurodiversity, part of that is to not shame the child. And I then I bought it. But again, that's the biggest piece, not only for the child, but it's also for the parents, as you know, and the problem teaching.

SPEAKER_07 40:07

Right. Well, the other piece I was just thinking about it, I've seen so many of these foods in our groups. So, by and large, from a brain development standpoint, when puberty slows, middle school, their brain just disintegrating because it's rebuilding. It's rebuilding, you put the emotional system, it was jacked up, the hormones were there. And a terrible 26 for one by 28 for n for high risk. Intense people. Well, it does get better in the 20s, college whole thing, but there's a lot of bullying. And in our country, if you ask nice gatherers, how many that bullet admin is sure? It would say 80%. After high school, it drops to 40%. See, they bring you to us. You know, while the very vulnerable parts, all kids with auto is really typical as well, vulnerable to getting bullet when you have any trial. For kids with OSD, for autism starting the story, especially in what used to be called class for the series. Now we would say LSD reverend. Uh and there's quite some brilliant famous people that have it. That well, in the old days you'd say the lists. Well, it's just for victims of torture because they look like criminals go on, but they really don't understand what says they happened. So they they do everything in words, not reading surface. See, they don't give it when someone's sudden enough to tease them in a tongue. Just war being full, jokes on them that gets ready to laugh. And then they traumatized on our two catch with home store bringing air smaller, perhaps they can out, because spring torts them with a guy. Rest and also teenage females were ASD. They have a match higher rate and spoon seven is help. So they have the same feelings that were also added that they want to have a partner date. What? Maybe they imitate the words how a snare really understand the full picture of what I can read at rumors that happen to or almost habitwe. So you just get pain again. And the trauma. And then the life's doing some treatment. The tetamine I'm a believer in. I wanted to be the first volume pile out of it with the psilocybin, because I really believe in it.

SPEAKER_04 42:33

Um addictions, trauma. Absolutely. And I have seen the I don't ever, I want to be very careful to not say this is a marriage drug. But what I can say is that I have seen the benefits, the positive benefits uh working with psychedelics. So again, in this case, I'm talking about the psilocybin kidney. Yeah, but a therapeutic way. Because I'm not, I am not promoting the recreational at all. A lot of times people come to me and they said, and I say I'm not your girl for

Neurofeedback And Rewiring Overwhelm

SPEAKER_04 43:04

that. But if I could say something uh about this, the other modality that I use when I'm working and I've had tremendous success with is neurofeedback. Oh, neurofeedback. Yes, absolutely. And the system that I work with is called neuroptomol. And the reason I say that is because a lot of times with neurofeedback, it's pulses in. So there's a clinician dictate the pulses going in. But I, the system that I work with actually pulses outwards. So it's the brain doing everything.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 43:31

Now, the reason I'm sharing this with you is that pre-pandemics, unfortunately, you know, it really shut a lot down and took a lot of people out of the ability to get the resources. I worked with a family with a young boy. He was about eight years old, and he was in the process of being tested at Children's Hospital, then Repetable Place. And the parents said, Hey, you know what? We're gonna work with you first, and then we're going to continue the choice. Fantastic. So for about six house, twice a week, I came and I worked with this young boy put the nerve feedback on them. And um and we continue. He's kind of working on the overwhelm. Now at the end of the six months, the father actually stayed back from work because I normally would come during the day and I would work with the mom and the child. And he said, I had to stay because until and to let you know that last night our son is able to sit for two hours and play card games.

SPEAKER_00 44:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 44:33

Phenomenal. Whereas six months before, and again, I don't want to I I I want to say that in conjunction with the good work, the therapeutic help them with all the strategies. Yeah. So again, when we're talking about psicobin and ketamine, there's all and we're talking about the brain.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

It said, how are you seating that overwhelm and and it's that detour around it?

SPEAKER_07 44:58

Yeah, it's good around that pathway. I liken it too. So I-25 here in Denver suits right up the gut of a city. It's a nightmare. And if all of a sudden one is going home, and it and a bridge collapsed. And they said the eyes, I think if I would be totally shut down for a year. It's to get around. Exactly. And that highway, when you've had a traumatic experience, that's the brain just etches it in your brain, which is birds doing their brain. So I have a superhighway. And you can't get out of things to the unit right there. And with a suicide ketamine, it's creating side roads around 100%.

SPEAKER_04 45:38

And really what it's doing is it's softening your ego, right? Because you're not you are blasted out, right? There's some experiences blasted out. There's some experiences that it's psycholytic, which is it's a lower dose. Yeah. Which I would consider it's more than a microdose. So you can still feel it. It's that kind of that heart opening, that brain softening, and then allows for the brain to find the detour and just softening like we don't we don't have to go down this.

SPEAKER_07 46:06

So if we're stuck on the highway and there's an accident, it's not gonna be caused for real, but it president S. If you get foster and you start walking around, take a rood off, weaving down this side of the line. Now, if you can stay calm and relax and then thought, all right, all things have is practice for.

SPEAKER_04 46:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 46:31

And I could go this flow and that's how you figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 46:35

Or, you know what? This situation, I'm in this place though right now. What can I do? Instead of getting flipped off, you know, angry and expending all this energy, all we have to do is, oh, wait a minute, I have Spotify and Apple Music. I can do this. I can actually think and pray, or I can do whatever that what can you do with your time if you're in that space that you've called.

SPEAKER_07 47:00

Now we're looking at more of a Buddhist report. Well, yeah, yeah. And I would tell you when Marseille was 17, he bought his first, bought a pit-up truck, who still has it and it's 32. And we needed to attack, uh, Friday afternoon is after. We got there five minutes, you know, about 35 minutes before. And they're like, oh no, you gotta go to the Anna Cast town for quite, not this one. I went. Well, what so we'll get back to the truck, talk about the traffic, and I'm really upset. And then I I caught myself and I'm like, wait a minute. I'm healing my teammates in his truck listening with kind of these. What can we benefit now? 100%. And I still remember, yeah, like it was yesterday. And we got the plates.

SPEAKER_04 47:40

And you got the plates. And you know what's really amazing about that is that your son was able to see you, and then he was able to see because that children not only see with their eyes, they see with their with their their emotions and their feelings, but then you did you corrected, you did a correction and you modeled for him. So that what an amazing lesson.

SPEAKER_03 48:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:01

That was and I know that you're teaching this to other parents, to family members, with their here's another strategy is that when you're walking through the world, how what you how you're walking, you're actually modeling to everybody. Powerful. That's I I love your example of I-25 getting clawed different. I don't uh do you remember back in 2000 where it was the T it was the T Rex. T Rex when they exported. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_07 48:26

They winded it. And then they should have done it 20 years sooner. And they should have the second T-Rex done now because we need eight lanes on each other.

SPEAKER_04 48:34

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 48:34

And we have full.

SPEAKER_04 48:35

Yeah, but that's when I remembered it's like. Oh my gosh. And that's what was a beautiful example of how everybody had to find their own way. And even to this day, I still go down different roads because I don't want to get on I-25. I know the shortcuts now.

SPEAKER_07 48:50

Right, nobody does.

Closing Takeaways And Gratitude

SPEAKER_07 48:51

Well, Donald, it's been delightful having you on. And thanks for coming all the way from Vitro back to lovely Talladder. Yeah. It's a it is a privilege to live with you.

SPEAKER_04 49:00

Yes, it is. And thank you for your time today. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you.

SPEAKER_07 49:04

Blessings on your work.

SPEAKER_04 49:05

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 49:05

Thanks.

SPEAKER_07 49:06

I mean too. That was lost. Our guests were great. It's been an amazing morning now into the afternoon. Lots of fun, lots of exciting. And truly, several things that made me cry. It's a beautiful thing to see so many families coming together, getting the support train room, feeling empowered. Just a really joyful tone. So thank you for listening. Listen to enjoy the podcast. Share it with a friend. And until next time, remember as a parent, we only need to be this side of good enough. Thank you.