105 Coaching Client Spotlight: Dr. Sukeshi Arora, M.D.

Dr. Arora graduated from the University of Texas (UT) Southwestern Medical School in Dallas, Texas, and completed her Internal Medicine Residency and Medical Hematology and Oncology Fellowship at UT Health San Antonio. She holds the John Eiler Endowed Professorship in Cancer Research and is an Associate Professor of Medicine in the Division of Hematology/Oncology, at UT Health San Antonio.

As a medical oncologist, her clinical and research specialty is in hepatobiliary cancers, focusing on drug development in patient populations that are typically underrepresented, such as older patients, Latinos, and patients with liver dysfunction. She is also an alumnus of our Get That Grant® coaching program!

Listen in as we discuss her coaching journey and: 

• What wasn't working in her career that led her to apply to our Get That Grant® coaching program
• Becoming aware of career isolation and mapping out a plan to build a community of support
• The incremental shifts she experienced that radically transformed how she approach her career 
• How letting go of what's not serving you is you taking action on the belief that things could be better
• What she has now in her academic life that she didn't have before coaching
• Her advice to anyone thinking about coaching and want to experience a similar transformation as she did 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:00

I'm like this positive person, glass half full kind of stuff where people might get annoyed by it. But it's really with like the external, like maybe when I'm counseling my friends or family or whatnot. But when it comes to myself, I have a lot of like negative self-talk and self-doubt and self-sabotage, all this stuff. And so really through the program and thinking through that and being aware of that voice and that voice is not real, really is huge and i'm still working on it it still creeps up every now and then just be like that's not real and so i think that no matter where i am right whether it's academia here or at a different institution or a different career pathway that has to change within myself and i have to so the coaching program made me aware of that and made me aware of how false that voice can be so

SPEAKER_02: 1:00

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SPEAKER_00: 5:22

Hello. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_02: 5:25

Well, I know you very well at this point, but let's tell the folks who you are. I would love for you to share what your specialty is, where you work and what good work you're doing in the world.

SPEAKER_00: 5:36

Well, thank you. Well, so I'm an associate professor of medicine at the Mays Cancer Center at University of Texas Health, San Antonio. That's a mouthful. And I'm a gastrointestinal medical oncologist they are board certified in medicine and hematology oncology i lead the gi oncology clinical and research programs and my research specializes as well as my clinical work in hepatobiliary cancers really focusing on drug development in patient populations that are typically underrepresented such as older patients latinos and patients with liver dysfunction

SPEAKER_02: 6:14

Yeah. started to consider coaching the usually way I say this is like what wasn't working for you because most of our clients it's not like they're coming like almost getting fired or something right like they're all showing up actually seeming like everything's going fairly well so I'm curious what that time was like for you if you could go back to like pre any coaching

SPEAKER_00: 7:04

so I was about in my seventh year of faculty this was 2021 and we were down to one GI medical oncologist myself you know care the clinical load for almost a year and with two about to start. So, you know, seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, but, you know, as a place where I was carrying the load for a while, trying to provide excellent clinical care to patients without dropping the care of any patient that was taken care of in our system. But also what I had told myself is when I had gone down to one solos, we're trying to recruit back up is that I'm not going to let my academic career and research careers be sacrificed because of this. So I held to that. We did our best to provide the best clinical care that we could. And I continued to run my trials and have my publications going and continue leadership efforts and so forth. And of course, a lot of that work was being done on nights and weekends and things that I was most passionate about to keep going and get it done. And that was like normal quote unquote in my mind. But deep down, I knew that this was like not sustainable at all. And so I started questioning myself, like, why am I here? And of course, you know, being around that, that time in our career, I'm getting some opportunities from, you know, whether it's industry or community. And it's like, you have these other options and things to think about that make you start really questioning, what am I doing?

SPEAKER_01: 8:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 8:34

So I literally sat down with a piece of paper and I went back to why I went into medical school. You know, like, why did I choose this career pathway? And I made a list. I was like, okay, this is why I'm here. to take care of these patients that otherwise not always taken care of, to think about them in research questions, et cetera, program development, so forth. And so I felt like for me at that time, this was a place I needed to be. And so I powered through waiting on for faculty to come. And so then one of my good friends posted about one of your podcast episodes. It was around episode nine or 10. So I actually went back and looked when this was. It was like June, 2021 yeah and I started listening and I was hooked so I call it like Tuesdays with Kemi so I would I would be doing my dishes in the afternoon and listening to your podcast because that's when I had time yeah and I started implementing what I was learning immediately and I was seeing the results and I was like wow if I can learn this much from a podcast how much could I learn from a coaching program so I saw of 21 and was ready to apply. And I remember like, I was so nervous during my interview and you pinpointed something. It was like, you know, Sukesh, you're isolated. And I thought it made me pause because I'd never really thought I was isolated. Yeah. These were doing clinical trials where everybody else is doing trials, et cetera, but my research questions were different and who I am was different. So, but I still remember that, you know, like this person, she really is very intuitive and has a a lot of positive thoughts and vibrations. If she could take this person who has my walls up and introverted and let me feel comfortable, I was like, this is where I need to be. And I knew at that time, that was my next stop.

SPEAKER_02: 10:28

Okay. Wow. There's so much there, Sukeshi. Okay. So first I want to just acknowledge that it's unfortunately not uncommon that somebody who has a lot to offer an academic clinical setting. So like you are running trials, like you are putting forth proposals for new trials. Like I think you mentioned, you have some leadership, you're doing some leadership work, et cetera, but you just now all of a sudden you find yourself as the sole clinician in your like division area. And it's like, okay, well the patients have to get seen, like they have to be cared for. And that's really important. So one, I just want to acknowledge, it's just like, I don't want to say trauma, maybe that's being dramatic, but it's just like this unfortunate series of events that happens like way too common. for us to believe, I think that we should maybe start thinking maybe the system is broken. Maybe if this keeps happening to people, like something's deeply wrong. But anyway, but I'm pointing that out because one, I know people listening have had that happen, but I also just, what I noticed so consistently about, I would just say like the people who are about this life, like the people who are like, have so much more is that they never consider not doing the rest. They're like, okay, this is really hard. There's like too much patient care. You I thought I was going to have five other partners. I'm alone. But a solution is never like, I'm just going to totally give up on this trial thing. I'm just going to totally give up on the research thing. I noticed that. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but I'm just saying to me, that represents just how deep, just how powerful the drive is for these other things that you have to offer. And I point it out because when I see that, I'm like, oh, that's the ingredient for success. Because when you care that much, much, you know, it would have been easier to just drop everything. You don't have to do anything nights and weekends, just like go to patient care and be like, I'll pick it up later. Like when you still hold onto it, what that tells me is that you have absolutely everything you need to succeed. It tells me that you don't need to work nights and weekends. It tells me that the level of resolve and clarity that you have about the work that you want to do will help you radically reorganize how you approach your career, which takes courage, as you know, right? It will help you do all of that so that you keep all that drive, but it shows up in a sustainable way. Did that make sense? I just want to pull that out because I think it happens. And I hear what you're saying is at the end of the day during this time, I had to just be working all hours, but at the same time, I knew I couldn't keep doing that. And then the other thing that I heard you say was somebody sends you the podcast and you start listening to the podcast. And I just want to say, I cannot tell you how satisfying it is. Every time I hear people that are like, I started listening to the podcast, I started implementing things right away and things got better. It just makes me so, cause I'm like, yes, there is the program and there's the investment and there's the commitment. But the whole point of what we're doing here is to say that there are improvements available to everybody, like everybody. And I think it's just so awesome that in that space that you were able to listen and just be like, okay, I'm going to start trying stuff to make it better. So thank you for sharing that. There was more there, but I feel like we're never going to get through the interview if I just keep going. So, so we meet, we talk, I do note the isolation for sure. And how much you're kind of holding up so many different roles, you know, like at once. And you were talking about how, you know, like my energy, the vibration, like the intuition that also really called to you as somebody with their guard up. And what I would say is that like, I also have my guard up. So that's why I feel like I can speak to my people. Cause like, I know what it's like. I'm like, yes, all of us have, three inch armor on. So like now we can talk to each other, but you know, you come in to get that grant, get that grant is more than me. Like get that grant is a curriculum. There are other coaches. It is like a whole community. So I'm curious, like, what was that shift like for you coming in, in terms of receiving the information, the transformation, like not from me and like, what were some moments that really, where you noticed something shifted for you in a big way? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 14:40

So I think there are so many incremental shifts throughout the way from day one, all the way to the end, as you're getting through the curriculum or even going back halfway through and going back to the start and so forth. I think earliest kind of, you touched on this before it was, you know, goals and activities and aligning those with my purpose, purpose of why I'm here and so forth. And that was so huge. And I remember I posted in the community and the group, it was one of the first posts I initiated.

SPEAKER_02: 15:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 15:09

And I said, you know, I had a small win today. I stepped down from this and you came back and said, no, this is huge. This is like the first step of the beginning of all this transformation and making space and making space for more opportunities. And I hadn't, didn't really know what that meant at that time, but now about a year and a half later, I see it. And that was huge.

UNKNOWN: 15:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 15:36

Oh, I really think that first, it's part of the reason why it's so early in the program, but that first, like, Hey, you guys, I just quit X or I stepped down from X is a huge pivot because what it's saying is that I'm taking action on the belief that this could be better. And that what I have going on, like doing it the way that I've been doing it, I'm actually going to take action on the belief that that is not the only way to go. That's not the only way to success. I'm sure. That's why I responded that way. Like I just like usually let out an audible cheer because to me, I'm like, yes, that is really putting some action behind where, you know, something that sounds like great, but doesn't mean anything until you take action on it, which is that this can be better for you. You can have more space and time, but you have to let go of these things. Like you have to let go of the things that you're doing because quote, you have to do them. And it's a big pivot and people get there at different times when we put it super early because it's like once you make that pivot now we got all this room to like work with so I was really glad that your introverted walled self came out to celebrate that with us because it was a big deal

SPEAKER_00: 16:49

and along with that you know the external activity of it but the way it's done right it's not with guilt not with apologies yeah it's like I completed this activity and as of this date I am done and that in that ownership and that there's a purpose behind it and the way it's done, which is so unique. Yeah. Like from academia.

SPEAKER_02: 17:12

Yeah, I agree. And I think the thing is it does help to know things are possible. And so when you have at this point now, how long we've been going, like you have the legacy of people coming before that are like, yes, it's possible. Like, yes, I did this. Yes. That also just really helps everybody's courage. I mean, shout out to the first group. Like, I don't know if we should follow this crazy woman, but I noticed that too, just from my standpoint watching cohort after cohort I noticed like oh it's like there's this way in which the whole energy of the community there's courage building at like the foundation and that's really beautiful see so people walk in and they just get to like access that immediately as opposed to having to find all of it within themselves so yeah I've been thinking about that too so you could probably answer this question in a lot of different ways and I think I'm actually going to tie it back to what you mentioned about Sukeshi remind us how many years on faculty had you been when you started coaching? Seven years. Seven years. Okay. That's what I thought, like mid-career. Okay. So I meant to highlight that and I forgot because you said something I think is really important. You're like, at this point, not only were you like drowning clinically and still doing the clinical trials and still doing all the work, you're starting to get other offers. Like, let's just be honest, like other industries, other possibilities are like, hey, person with seven years of experience, like, why don't you come over here and do AB And that is also super common, I find among high achieving women of color, right in that range. It's like right at like the five to eight year mark. And it really, there is like a real question of like, what am I doing? And sometimes it's kicked up internally, but I think sometimes it's kicked up because you start getting the offers from outside that are like, hey, do you want to come run this whole other thing in this think tank? Do you want to go to industry? Like they're meaningful offers. And it's it doesn't surprise me because I think often outside of academics is where it's like people more easily see your value. It's also, you're in this place where it's other people can like very clearly see like what's going on. And so I guess what I would say is like, you're in that soup and you make a choice to say, let me pause and actually figure out why I'm here. And that was before you even started coaching. So I guess I wanted to tie it back to that because you did decide to stay, you are still in academics. And so my question is like, what do you have now in this academic life? I mean, you didn't leave, so you stayed. So what do you have now that you didn't have before you embarked on coaching that has made that a good choice for you?

SPEAKER_00: 19:48

So there are several things, like you mentioned, pick one. And so I'm like this positive person, glass half full kind of stuff, or even people might get annoyed by it, but it's really with like the external, like maybe when I'm counseling my friends or family or whatnot, but when it comes to myself, I have a lot of like negative self-talk and self-doubt and self-sabotage, all this stuff. Am I good enough? Do I belong at this table? You know, why are they asking me? I'm so junior, et cetera. And so that really through the program and thinking through that and being aware of that voice and that voice is not real, really is huge. And I'm still working on it. It still creeps up every now and then just to be like, that's not real. And so I think that, no matter where I am, right? Whether it's academia here or at a different institution or a different career pathway, that has to change within myself and I have to work. So the coaching program made me aware of that and made me aware of how false that voice can be.

SPEAKER_02: 20:53

What did that mean for you? Like how has being made aware of that, how has that like changed your day-to-day or your week-to-week?

SPEAKER_00: 21:00

So I don't funnel down this like hole. So, oh my God, I didn't do this paper. I was supposed to do this manuscript and I don't know where my day went. Oh my God, I'm behind. Oh my God. You know, this just keeps on going for like weeks. And you know, as soon as I started GTG, I got a paper done that I've been working on for like months. Yes. It's okay. That moment passed. What can I learn from this? Why did I miss my writing session or why did I open up my day with email and not be productive, et cetera. And then it's okay. That's done. It's over. And then let's keep going. I have another session coming up to do my writing, it's done. And so it's just that constant thinking of, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. And that overwhelm, it's much less so now. And it continues to get better.

SPEAKER_02: 21:46

Yes. First of all, I feel like everybody's constantly optimizing themselves. So yes, I love that you had this early one of this paper's dragging forever. And then it's like, you get in the program, you start using the tools and you get the paper done. But I love what you said. It's the connection between the negative self-talk and the spiral and not getting things done that I don't know that people really understand how tightly those things are related. I think people have this sense that it doesn't really matter what's going on in your head. Like, are you getting your work done or not? And I'm like, are you getting your work done or not is directly related to like what's going on in your head, especially for high achievers. Sometimes I also think that the negative self-talk has been redefined in their minds just as like, I don't know, discipline or like, you know, just like, oh, I have high standards for myself. So it's, you don't even recognize it as a negative self-talk as like a, I don't belong here. You're like, oh no, I have no issues. I know I belong here. But what's really true is that like, I don't feel like I belong here unless I get all these papers written. And because I'm not getting all those papers written, I actually have vulnerability and don't feel great about whether or not I belong here. Right. So it's like this longer path, but it still goes back to the same place. And I just want to highlight that, like really, because what you said about the fix is so true is chaos is still going to reign. So stuff is still going to happen, but it's the difference between, oh, I didn't get that piece of the paper done on Tuesday. Like I thought, and that just becomes like information that's like, oh, and you know, we, obviously we talk about like all the different inputs and how to think about this, like an audit process. But I would say like that entire approach of like thinking about it, like an audit and thinking very systematically is to get people out of the spiral. It's to say, if you don't do this, this, it's just going to go back to the spiral of, oh my God, I didn't get it done. And then in academics, forgive the soliloquy here, but then in academics, what happens is that that whole, I didn't get it done is like so deeply embedded into like the culture of how people socialize that now it's like, oh, you didn't get it done. I didn't get it done. It's too busy. Everyone's too busy. It's terrible. I guess I'll just be up late at the deadline. And so now it just becomes part of the culture and normalized. And I think that's where we kind of miss a little bit that like This is not an inevitable experience. It's actually not inevitable to be constantly behind. It's not inevitable to constantly not finish things, to not get things done. That is not inevitable. That is a piece of the culture. But what it's hooking into is actually everybody's insecurity because nobody is stepping back and just assessing things. And instead, everybody is connecting like whether I was productive today to my literal value and worth here, especially if you're marginalized, right? Because you've always had to prove that you belong. So that was is a lot, but I just wanted to say that because I really think that you're connecting two things that are really important. And I just think sometimes they're very stealthily hidden for high achievers. Like I think a lot of high achievers aren't going to be like, oh, I suffer from imposter syndrome. They're never going to say that, but that doesn't mean they're not going to literally berate themselves over and over and over because they didn't meet a deadline. They'll do that too. And I'm like, those are related. Yeah. What do you think about that? Does that like resonate with you. Yeah,

SPEAKER_00: 25:07

absolutely. I mean, I wasn't like I had been through a K grant and all that kind of, you know, so you learn about imposter syndrome, all that during our sessions. Thought about myself is that. Yes, exactly. But I never thought that the negative self-talk was so powerful and how it was sabotaged my rest of the week or so forth. And then I started thinking negatively and so forth. Now it's like, you know, it's Saturday and I'm hanging out with like, well, I'm not worried. I'm going to enjoy this because I have my I set aside time for my writing or my thinking or my scheduling or whatnot. And it's okay. Cause I have a structure. And so I have to think about things like that negatively and then spiral because I have a plan.

SPEAKER_02: 25:49

And you have restoration built in because if it's always like, I didn't do it, I didn't do it. I didn't catch up. I'm like, when are you actually resting? Not resting? Like I'm not working on this actively, but like mentally resting. When are you unplugged from this work at all? Cause people will be like, oh, I rested, but the whole time I was just feeling bad about X. And I'm like, so you didn't rest to your brain. You never rested. So it makes sense that when you come back to it, you're still feel tired. You still feel dejected. But I think that's what you're talking about is like that shift of, even if I didn't get it done to know myself so well, to have set up a structure so well that like, even that I can still be like, well, I'm still taking Saturday to chill because one, I need it recognizing that that's important. And two, I'm literally not I can trust myself that my process works for next week. And so I think that trusting that's like another piece that's like layered into what you're talking about is trusting myself instead of having to berate myself to get things done. I trust myself to get things done. And that just comes from like a really different place.

SPEAKER_00: 26:53

Yeah. And it feels totally different too.

SPEAKER_02: 26:56

Yeah, exactly. Different experience of your career. Okay. So transparently, right? I do these spotlights because it's so hard for me to explain to people that these things are possible. Things could change, you know, and I get it because I was in the culture too. Like I get it. So I always appreciate the fact that you all will like, come on and chat about your experience. And so just from your perspective, what advice would you give somebody like you, just like you, woman of color faculty who just signed up and is like, well, I want to make sure I get what Sukesh got out of this program. Like I want to get the most out of it. I also have three inch walls and I'm an introvert. I'm not interested in whatever. So yeah. Like, what do you think you needed to hear? What do you think somebody would need to hear to make sure that they have the kind of experience that you had? So

SPEAKER_00: 27:43

I think two main things for me, one is, you know, it's worth it first of all. So just, you know, know, then trust that it's worth it. It's an investment in yourself. It's not a one-time thing. It keeps giving, it keeps growing with you. And when you enroll Be ready. Like, so schedule that time, protect that time. And six months goes by so fast. And so it's a commitment. Like any degree or training program or it's not like that, but you know, it's a commitment. Commit that to yourself because I deserve it. You deserve it. And, you know, go through the curriculum with like honesty and humility. I

SPEAKER_02: 28:19

love

SPEAKER_00: 28:19

that. The second thing is engage in the community, be vulnerable. I thought about this because when you mentioned this whole, like, group coaching thing and I kind of knew about it but during the interview and so forth I was like oh my god like group group activities but this is a different group these women are leaders they work hard 120 percent effort these are like my people these are our people and they understand you and will support you through this process and as you grow and they will understand you when others may not yes and it'll just help you grow through the curriculum and it's just just an amazing community that it's really just was unexpected for me. And I, and I hope people think about that as well as a super positive part of this program.

SPEAKER_02: 29:06

Yes. I love that you say that I agree. And I, I get why the group element is for a lot of people. Not everybody is like, no, because it actually makes sense from your experiences, right? Like, so if you've been in these, like, it makes sense. You're like, no, no, no, no. I've been here before. I still have to have my walls up. I'm different. I care too much. Like I remember feeling like I just cared too much about my work for this, for me to like be in these environments. Cause like, it's not about just checking boxes. This is like so meaningful to me. And I was actually talking to my friend about this and I'm going to make her come on the podcast. I'm like, we need to talk about this on the podcast, but about what it's like to navigate through the quote unquote game of academics. When you care so much about what you do, like, it is not just a game to you. It is not about just the marquee stuff. And so I think when you're like that, it's appropriate that you have all of these guards up and it's appropriate that you would be like, I'm not sharing anything. That is the last thing. It's like what you said. But then when you get in a group of people, just like you, it's like a super charged experience because we've been starving for it for so long. Right. I mean, I hear it all the time. People are like, I really didn't understand what you mean about my people, but like, this is true. Like these literally are my people. And And a lot of us haven't had that experience of being in any professional setting where we could truly, truly be fully ourselves. Like there are places where we're comfortable, right? There are places where like we're familiar, we know. But I think a lot of times people come in and they're like, oh, I can really, really be me. And I'm like, yes. Not only that, it's required. Like not only that, we're not going to get anywhere unless we get all the way down to the root and like get really honest about what you want and all those things. So I just have so much respect for everybody that enrolls and comes in the program. Cause I know it's a leap of faith, but then to get to see the transformation, to get to watch it all happen is, I don't know. I can't describe it. Honestly. It's like so rewarding. So thank you for coming on and sharing a little bit here of just what it's like. I know we touched on like such a sliver, right? This is like so little compared to like all the experiences that you've had. Is there anything else that you want to share before we close?

SPEAKER_00: 31:25

No, absolutely. This is been a great experience for me and also growing and speaking on the podcast it's a little growth project for myself yes but you know this community is amazing so I'd like to thank the GTG and I'm in the library program community just you know holding me and being honest and I can you know trust the group and I know that you know everything is like confidential and trusted and that's really important like that you have.

SPEAKER_02: 31:57

Yeah. I take that really seriously.

SPEAKER_00: 31:59

And I know you're rated the community that way. So thank you. Thank you to the coaches and so forth, but it's been a wonderful experience. And I, I hope that so many more women of color can also have that experience.

SPEAKER_02: 32:12

Yes. Well, we're not going anywhere. We're not going anywhere, but like she said, it's a curated community. So you do have to apply, but that's wise that like, you know, community part is so important. That's it's not a click. It's Actually dialogue. You have to go through a process to see like, what is your fit? What are you looking for? And I'm never going to stop doing that just for y'all who sometimes complain. I don't care. It's a multi-step application process and it's never not going to be. So just so you know, but it's because I just like refuse to move the needle on the integrity of what's possible. And that means being really thoughtful about like who's coming in and making sure one, they're ready. They're actually ready. Like in the ways that you said, right. Ready to be courageous, ready to make a shift. And two, that there are people that they actually care that this isn't just about another checkbox. It's not just another program. So thank you so much, Sukeshi. Obviously I'll see you soon, but it was good to see you today. And I hope you have an awesome rest of your day. Take care. Take

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care. Thank you.

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Bye. Bye. Thank you so much for listening with me today. I appreciate your time as I know it's so valuable. I hope this episode was helpful to you and I hope you feel energized to go out and claim your unapologetic See you soon.