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172 Coaching Client Spotlight: Jovita Murillo, DrPH, MPH, MA

• Kemi Doll

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In this inspiring episode, Kemi sits down with Dr. Jovita Murillo. Dr. Murillo received a Doctorate in Public Health (DrPH) from Claremont Graduate University. Her research interests involve exploring the intersectionality between social determinants of health and health disparities. Her long-term research goals are to develop policies that can address the social needs of women of color and minority populations within health systems. This includes developing a comprehensive understanding of how policies, protocols, and practices that exist in society perpetuate structural determinants in health systems. Dr. Murillo hopes to address the science-practice gap by targeting interventions that can be used to advance measures to protect, preserve, and promote the health and safety of minorities. She is also is an alumnus of our Get That Grant® coaching program! 

Join the conversation as Dr. Murillo discusses the challenges she faced in academia, the importance of mentorship, and the transformative power of coaching. She reveals how she navigated a traditional and conservative public health program, negotiated for startup funds, and ultimately secured a tenure-track position. 

Highlights: 

  • The profound changes one undergoes in how they speak, think, and interact with others through self-reflection and soul-searching 
  • The concept of "soul-wrenching" and how these challenges can feel like spiritual warfare but ultimately lead to becoming a stronger, better version of oneself. 
  • The difference between superficial advice and the need for real, impactful guidance that addresses the root of challenges in academic and professional settings. 
  • The institutional and cultural barriers in academia that hinder brilliant minds, particularly those from marginalized communities. 

 

And if you'd like to learn more foundational career navigation concepts for women of color in academic medicine and public health, sign up for our KD Coaching Foundations Series: www.kemidoll.com/foundations. 

 

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SPEAKER_01:

I think it was in fall 2020. Now we're looking at fall 2021 when Get the Grant, right? So you started supporting Get that Grant, right? And through your podcast, I learned about startup funds. I wasn't even aware that a faculty member can negotiate at that level. So I mean, like when I tell you, you taught me the

SPEAKER_00:

basics. Wow. I'm like in awe right now because I'm really, I'm feeling very grateful, honestly, for the work because I put out the podcast. You never know. I'm just like, I don't know if people are going to get anything out of this. And so it means a lot to me that you're like, no, I'm taking notes. Like this is a whole curriculum in and of itself to learn.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. And then I realized, okay, so, but I'm like, but I still need the material. I still need the tangible.

SPEAKER_02:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I still need the support. And I know myself pretty well. I'm like, I do. And I thrive better wherever there's mostly minorities, right? Like that's

SPEAKER_00:

my.

UNKNOWN:

Me too.

SPEAKER_00:

Girl, you're not alone. Yes. Be like, listen, like most people, I enjoy being like, okay, you know, like black and brown folks, folks in the room, you know, like where I can be myself. Yes. Where you can be yourself. I just want to pause you because it's very interesting. I've done a lot of these clients interviews and I don't know if anybody has been as explicit as you as like, one of the reasons I came was that like, I wanted an environment of black and brown people so I could just relax. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I could just like, let me get this learning and not have to deal with the microaggressions. I have to deal with X, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And I really appreciate you saying that because it was a very deliberate choice. You know, obviously I didn't have to make it that way, but it was a very deliberate choice because I was just like, I knew from my own experience, it's so rare. Hello, hello. You are listening to Your Unapologetic Career. Being a woman of color faculty in academic medicine who wants to make a real difference with your career can be tough. Listen, these systems are not built for us, but that doesn't mean I'll be taking a deep dive into one core growth strategy so you can gain confidence and effectiveness in pursuing the dream career you worked so hard to achieve. All you have to do is tune in to your unapologetic career with me, your host, Kemi Dole, physician, surgeon, researcher, coach, and career strategist for an always authentic, sometimes a little raw, but unapologetic career. apologetically empowering word. I keep it real for you because I want you to win. Welcome back to the show. You all are in for a treat. We have a lovely, charismatic, very smart, interesting guest on the show today. I'm very excited to spend the next few minutes speaking with Dr. Jovita Murillo. She's going to tell you all about herself and we're going to talk about her coaching journey. Let's do it. Welcome to the show, Jovita. Thank you for having me, Kemi. Okay. So tell our listeners, please, what works for you. work you do in the world, where you are located, and your training background so they can get a sense of what you do.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So I'm an assistant professor at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, but I'm originally from California.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

So most of my work explores the role of social determinants of health, like lack of affordable housing, lack of food insecurity, lack of transportation, lack of access to treatment or healthcare, and how it impacts the health of women of color. So most of my research originates from my own lived experiences, right? Coming from a very low income community in Los Angeles. I'm originally from Compton, Watson, South Central, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. West Coast is in the house. LA is in the house. Should I start playing Kendrick Lamar? Okay, continue.

SPEAKER_01:

I love his song. And again, it's growing up in a community that historically, right, has been disenfranchised, right? African American community. My community is known for civil uprisings, right? Because by any necessary, when you don't have resources, when you don't have service, At that time, late 80s, early 90s, we didn't have even opportunities for students,

SPEAKER_02:

right?

SPEAKER_01:

Being in school and then not having enough textbooks, not having a working AC, right? Sitting on the floor. I mean, like the most inadequate system that you could think of,

SPEAKER_02:

right?

SPEAKER_01:

And then you start thinking, you know, is this how it is? Is this how it is for everyone? And then you get to college, right? And you start realizing it's not. It's not, right? It's not. Yeah. So that's my background and that's I ended up doing social determinants of health, right?

SPEAKER_02:

And

SPEAKER_01:

then I sort of started doing social work in the beginning, again, in my communities, right? I realized like the same lived experiences that I've had, I'm continue seeing, and now we're already 10 years out, right? Right. It's like another generation, you're seeing the same thing. And now I'm like, what's going on? But now every time that anyone, you know, we're looking at women, right? This is social work, right? Most of the women are women that have been victims. I'm asking the woman, I remember that we had one, a questionnaire that was at Thank you so much. translates to let's do more practical public health, right? That's

SPEAKER_02:

right.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So that's what I'm working on. But your program has been exceptionally well in helping me understand the research side of public health.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Okay. Wait, I love this. First of all, shout out to you for coming where you come from, for all the challenges that you noted. And then she just casually is like, and I have a doctorate of public health, just so that that's my background. But we're going to celebrate you because that in and of itself is a huge accomplishment.

SPEAKER_02:

that

SPEAKER_00:

I think we often skip over in academics. Cause like you said, it's like you get to college and it's almost like everybody wipes the slate clean and they're like, okay, well you're all just freshmen. And you're like, okay, but my journey, what are you talking about? It did not start yesterday. And I feel like the same thing can happen on faculty, you know, where it's like, okay, it's like, these are all the first year faculty or whatever. They're like, you just got here. You're like, it has been decades of struggle. You know what I mean? That's what I felt coming through. And your description is like, let's, give some respect to the journey. Okay. So just by telling that story, Jovita, you have really made it clear to us how persistent you are, right? How you must have a beautiful internal motivation and inspiration just to have been able to continue on, you know, to fully utilize the potential of your brilliance, right? Because these circumstances you described growing up in don't have anything to do with how smart a child is, doesn't have anything to do with the potential of that child. So for you to be able to harness the energy and the resilience and all the things that you needed to be able to show people what you could do and get your DRPH and then move into research already means that you are a person of quite strong character, right? You're a person of quite strong motivation. So I'd love for you to share with us, where were you in your career when you first started considering coaching and like what wasn't working for you because you were otherwise from just listening, you're thinking, wow, this woman is a badass. Like she could do whatever she wants. So what was going on with you that wasn't working?

SPEAKER_01:

So just like, you know, as I shared my background, one of the things I soon realized in my graduate program was that one, I'm very outspoken for my program. Very traditional. My program was very traditional public health program, very conservative public health program. And I'm pushing it and I'm pushing every opportunity that I can and they're shutting me down. So then because of that, I didn't make a lot of connections in my program, right? And you know how key they are to help. So key. But I'm also noticing that it's mostly Latinx and Black students, right? That are not getting the opportunities are being pushed out and I'm like, that doesn't sit well with me. That's been a common trend since I started academia, right? So then I realized at one point I want to end up in academia, but I know I need these connections and I know I need them. And at this time, and then of course, right, I will graduate in the midst of the pandemic, fall 2020.

SPEAKER_00:

So

SPEAKER_01:

you know what that means. There's no jobs. Right. Right. People said job where? And then the ones that are getting the positions are white folks, right? And they're like, they're not even, Kemi, they're not even applying to these positions. They're given the position. Yeah, I know what you, I know how academia works. So I'm like, what is going on here? I'm like, there has to be some type of like agenda, something here that I know I'm missing, that I know I don't have, and that I know my mentors cannot provide, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And

SPEAKER_01:

so I remember, I mean, things were so bad. And so now we're talking spring 2021. And I mean, Kemi, there's a point where where I'm doing some work with Department of Public Health because I knew my communities were the first communities too to be hit with COVID and deeply affected, right? And the communities that I represent, right? Very near and dear to my heart. But there's a point in Kemi where I'm like, what am I going to do? Like, I need these connections. I need to understand how the system works. And at that time I was, they had me so wrapped up doing like projects and my boss at that time just wanted me to focus on the community projects that we had. but I'm telling my boss, but I want to do research. And now I have it in me. Right. And at that time, Kemi, I didn't know what was going on with this dynamic, but I knew something was off.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. You're like, there are some unwritten rules here, but I don't know what they are. Yes. Y'all are speaking some language, but I don't know what you're saying with these words. Yeah. I got you. I got you.

SPEAKER_01:

And even my interaction with my mentor, right? I'm like, why is he so hesitant

SPEAKER_00:

with

SPEAKER_01:

pushing me, right? And I'm from the community that needs the research. So then at that time I remember that I started praying cameo like there's no point I'm praying I'm like God please send me the right people the right situation the right opportunity

SPEAKER_02:

yes

SPEAKER_01:

send me something and then I checked out Dr. Bertha Hidalgo's Instagram yes podcast pops up and I'm like oh my gosh you know what I'm gonna listen to it and I remember washing the dishes and I said I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to the podcast and from the podcast number one right I got hooked and that right Right there, I feel, Kemi, for someone that didn't have mentorship, didn't make any connections in graduate school, right? I feel like your podcast would just open my eyes, right, to this whole world that I really wasn't aware of, right? It was one of the major stepping stones to me getting to where I'm at right now.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow.

SPEAKER_01:

So it was your podcast. And then, it was the spring 2021, so I started listening, I think it was mid or end of spring 2021, and I was meticulously listening, taking notes, I would stop and write, you know, press, re-write, I love it. Take this note. I will be driving. I will re-listen to your podcast. And that's when I realized, okay, so the reason that this mentorship, the mentorship that I have with this community faculty member hasn't been working is because he's not sponsoring.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

He's not providing support, right? He wants me to continue doing his projects, right? Which I, if I wanted to pursue that. So then after that, I remember that I think I started, I think it was in fall 2020. Now we're looking at fall 2021 when Get the Grant, right? So you started supporting Get that Grant, right? And through your podcast, I learned about startup funds. I wasn't even aware that a faculty member can negotiate at that level. So I mean, like when I tell you, you taught me the

SPEAKER_00:

basics. Wow. I'm like in awe right now because I'm really, I'm feeling very grateful, honestly, for the work because I put out the podcast. You never know. I'm just like, I don't know if people are going to get anything out of this. And so it means a lot to me that you're like, no, I'm taking notes. Like this is a whole curriculum in and of itself

SPEAKER_01:

to learn Yes. And then I realized, okay, so, but I'm like, but I still need the material. I still need the tangibles.

SPEAKER_02:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I still need the support. And I know myself pretty well. I'm like, I do. And I thrive better wherever there's mostly minorities, right? Like that's

SPEAKER_00:

my- Me too. Girl, you're not alone. Yes. Be like, listen, like most people, I enjoy being like, okay, you know, like black and brown folks in the room, you know, like- myself yes where you can be yourself i just want to pause you because it's very interesting i've done a lot of these client interviews and i don't know if anybody has been as explicit as you as like one of the reasons i came was that like i wanted an environment of black and brown people so i could just relax yeah you know what i mean like i could just like let me get this learning and not have to deal with the microaggressions i have to deal with x and i really appreciate you saying that because it was a very deliberate choice yeah you know obviously i didn't have to make it that way but it was a very deliberate choice because I was just like, I knew from my own experience, it's so rare. Like it just, it's hard to explain to people how, you know, this probably happens to you. If you just end up accidentally in academia for some reason in a room with like only other Latino women, don't all of you go like, oh, wait a minute. Like, how did this happen? Like, you know, it's like a whole moment because it is so rare. And I thought to myself, I want to give people that experience in a program. Like, so every time you log on, it's like, okay, like, this is my kind of space. So I love that. And then you feel safe, right?

SPEAKER_01:

So at that moment, I needed a space where I could share my experiences, where I could be myself, where I could, you know, because we have to code, right? We got to code switch all the time. And then I had a space where people that I feel safe with, with people that I grew up with, right? With like people that represent the communities that I come from. And then, so then I said, okay, if I ever get a At that time, I was still thinking, you know, I was still doubting myself, which is another thing that you get from Get the Grant. If there's something that happens, and I don't know exactly in what module, that your self-esteem and your confidence goes up, I'm like, before the Get the Grant, right, my self-esteem, you know, I was working on my self-esteem, it wasn't all that great. But I remember saying, if I ever end up with a startup or an opportunity to get startup funds, that's the first thing I'm going to invest in.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So now, I, you know, through your program, I was able to get a postdoctoral position, and then after my postdoctoral position, I ended up landing a tenure track assistant

SPEAKER_00:

professor. Hey, she's here, friends. Jovita said, listen, I came out in the job market when there was no job. It was scorched earth. It was like, listen, we're in a pandemic. Try again. Starbucks may be hiring. You know what I'm saying? You want to work at Apple? Because you cannot get a job. And so to go from that, right, to go from that kind of position to then doing, like you said, what you needed to do, working in more applied public health, like doing that, and then managing the transition to through, okay, now I'm in like a postdoc position. Okay. We're almost there to landing a tenure track position is no small feat because it's very hard, especially when people don't start out that way. Like when you start out maybe more clinically oriented or more community oriented, et cetera. It's just like, it's like your mentor was pushing you. It's very easy to get stuck there and it's very hard to show people I'm capable of more. Yes. This is not all I can do because you're probably doing that well, right? Like I know I'm doing this well, but this is not all I can do. So I just, I commend you hugely. And that just, it just makes me so happy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. And so your podcast got me through. So then now we have the position right now. I'm an assistant professor. And the first thing that I negotiated in my contract was to start a fund. Listen to her.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Get that money.

UNKNOWN:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

If you don't know, then you wouldn't know to ask. You would have no idea. I've had people tell me too, like, I didn't really know I could do this. And I'm like, I mean, why not? So can you share with us a moment and get that grant where you feel like something shifted for you in a big way so this is post podcast after you come into the community now you've like settled yourself what's something you learned yeah or affected you in a big way

SPEAKER_01:

so it was definitely module one like from the moment you started that the grad curriculum is a module one the first thing that you have us do is the purpose mantra and it came to me naturally I feel like it came to me so naturally

SPEAKER_00:

yeah I love that

SPEAKER_01:

but then we went into the most active goals and activities exercise

SPEAKER_02:

yes

SPEAKER_01:

and I I had to redo that activity like three to four times. I remember listening to the recording and maybe like listening to it a few times with a little bit more than six, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

I realized they're not aligning. My contract is not aligning with all the jobs, all the responsibilities that my department is having me do.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. And I just want to pause you there because it's a huge, it's actually a huge moment in the program for what it's worth. Like we know it's usually, it's like the first mountain people have to climb because we what it is, is it's making very explicit what people are feeling. Like they know something's wrong. They know it can't be this way. And maybe they think it's because they're not productive enough, or maybe they think it's because of this issue or that issue. But when you get to the goals and activities alignment exercise, you're really basically pulling that internal clarity that we've just established and actually comparing it to what you do. Yes. And there's that moment where you're like, oh, this does not match. You're not alone where every Everybody goes like, oh no. And it's like, okay. But now you can see why you're not happy. Now you can see why you're not making progress, right? It becomes like, oh, so until we move and shift some stuff around, we're not going anywhere. We got to get all this stuff into alignment. So, I mean, I think it's an important part to me too. And I think it's a place where we try to also give a lot of support because we know it's a hard thing to face because you realize, oh, I'm really going to have to start making some different moves.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And then, Kimmy, I'm redoing this activity over and over. I'm like, The first time. And I'm like, no, I missed the second time. You're doing more than you should, right? You know, you're doing more than you should, right? So it was incredible. It's like an eye-opening activity. But then you go into the other activities. And I feel like another activity that was pivotal. And this is the moment that I realized I have to transition. So the goals and activity helped me realize I was taking a lot. Then the next big step was, what are you going to do about it? Where are we going

SPEAKER_00:

with this, right? Yeah, exactly. She's like, okay, why do you want me to look at this, though? Where are you going with this? I love you. This is a woman from LA.

SPEAKER_01:

What's next, right? What's next? So then I did the managing your time or the CTFAR. Yeah, that's

SPEAKER_00:

the model. Yeah. Developed by Brooke Castillo. Continue.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's another activity that I had to do six to seven times over and over. And you pretty much have us lay out the conversation that we want to have, but in a way that it's not reactive in a way that is proactive. Empowering.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Proactive.

SPEAKER_01:

And I, again, Camille, here I am doing this activity six to seven times because the things that were coming out were a little bit reactive until I got myself to a point where it was proactive and it was to the point. And it was, I knew at the moment that I did it, I think it was the seventh or eighth time. I knew that it was that template for that conversation that I eventually was going to have with my chairperson.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And so, yeah. So then sometime in, I want to say May, towards the end of May, I ended up having a conversation with my chairperson. And I ended up telling them that I didn't feel comfortable with this dual position that I was doing. I was doing percent department of public health. And then the other 50% being academic, I was telling them that it was both positions were full-time.

SPEAKER_00:

That's right.

SPEAKER_01:

And if they wanted to keep me, they needed to convert me into a hundred percent academic full-time assistant professor tenure track. And they had me waiting for about, I want to say maybe a month, right? And towards the end of June, I find out that I did land the position that I wanted to be academic. I

SPEAKER_00:

love that. intentional process and you know there's a lot of hard things that we ask people to do in the program but they're spaced you know and they're spaced appropriately and I think there's a lot of thought that I put into like okay how do we build you up so that you feel up to the task of doing this scary thing okay now that you know how to have scary conversations right how do we build you up to the point where you're ready for the next thing and you just really walked us through in a really specific way what that looked like of like doing the work revising realizing, like having that realization, like this is one of my root problems is like, I say, I want this and I'm spending all of this time over here. And it's very empowering because you realize you have agency. I have ownership. I do have power to shift these things around. And I'm just, I'm really excited for you, but I also just really want to give you a lot of credit for digging in. You know, you didn't do the activities and go like, okay, this is too much. Like, I don't want to face this. Nevermind. You were like, well, okay, let's roll up the sleeves. Let's figure it out. Yes. Which is exciting. So outside of self-esteem and confidence, what do you feel like you have now that you didn't have before you started coaching?

SPEAKER_01:

I think I feel more centered and focused. I think that right there is key. Yes. And I wanted to add that all of the activities in Get That Grand are soul-wrenching, but soul-changing.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I love that, Jovita. Wait, she said they're soul-wrenching, but soul-changing. Okay, we might have to put that up as part of the logo. Okay, say more. Tell people what you mean by that.

SPEAKER_01:

So I mean by that, every activity, like again, you're probably going to have to redo a few times, right? You might have to re-listen to the recordings a couple of times, right? But I feel like it's like you're awakening your soul. You're awakening the side that I feel like in academia we have purposely, right? Especially women of color have sort of shut down, which is tough, right? And I think there was one point in the curriculum you teach us, if you don't sort of start doing something about your time, and your task and taking ownership of you, right? And the work you do, other people are gonna do it for you, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. That is the thing. There's no neutral. Yes. In academics, there's no neutral. If you aren't taking ownership of it, somebody will happily take it from you. And that is your time. That is literally your energy. I think about that. I'm like, that's your life force. Like that's the energy you're bringing to the world. If you're not gonna take ownership of it, they'll happily use it for you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. And I think that's the moment that I realized, okay, I have to take charge, right? I have to take charge. And then one, and then I've done all these years of schooling, right? I've been in school forever, right? And I know myself and I know myself pretty well. And one of the things I've learned, you know, and I think this has been an amazing support system because as an addition to providing us a curriculum, we have support groups as part of the Get the Grand curriculum and just hearing other women and realizing all of us are creating our own path, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And hearing them and being inspired by them and wanting to be like them, right? I feel like that's a moment that something shifted in me. I don't know exactly where, but it came out more positive. Even faculty members have said, well, Tramita, you sound different. Yeah, you sound

SPEAKER_00:

different. It's the

SPEAKER_01:

confidence.

SPEAKER_00:

I love that. That's the

SPEAKER_01:

most rewarding thing.

SPEAKER_00:

That's beautiful, truly. I'm very moved, actually. It makes me so satisfied to know that we can create this kind of experience for people, co-create, I say, because again, you put the work into, you put the effort in, but changing what you think is possible It's like when you, like you said, when you go to like, oh, is this the way the world is? And you get to college and you're like, this is not the way the world is. It's like in the same way we can be stuck in thinking like, this is all that there is. I got my doctorate. I guess this is as good as it gets until you get your eyes open. Like, no, we can do way more, like more as possible. And it feels so good. Yes. What advice would you give another woman of color faculty member like you, who's just starting out and get that grant? And what would you tell her to make sure she gets the most out of it?

SPEAKER_01:

I would say that, Then in the beginning, it might feel a little overwhelming, but continue with the program and engage in the activities, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. There's no skipping.

SPEAKER_01:

You cannot skip them, right? Because then you won't progress. Make it out to as many group sessions and consider, get that grant, not just a short-term investment, because you see your changes. Like I've seen them from, what is it, January to now?

SPEAKER_00:

January to June.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. You see the changes from the way you speak, from the way you think, from the conversations you have with faculty, from the things that you get done. You make happen. The word is make happen, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Love it.

SPEAKER_01:

So it's a short-term investment, long-term investment, but it does require for you to do some of those soul-searching activities.

SPEAKER_00:

Soul-wrenching. She said, Jovita said they're soul-wrenching. I love it. She said, listen, you're going to go some spiritual warfare, but you will come out the other side. Even

SPEAKER_01:

10 times better. You

SPEAKER_00:

know, I think I receive all of that. The goal of this coaching program is, it has a catchy name, right? Get that grant. Like it makes people really clear Okay. Researchers, academics, like, you know, who we're talking about, but there's nothing superficial about it. And that was because of my experiences in different, you know, go to this session for career development, go to this. And I'm like, this is all surface level. Like this is not helping me with like the hardest things that I have to try to figure out in this career. And that is why I think your experience was so wrenching. And so what did you say? So changing, so wrenching and so changing. is because it really is designed to be real, to be deep, to get to the heart, the root of some of these issues that most of it comes from the culture of academics, from the institutionalization of our brilliant minds and not from us, like not from some deficit we have. And so I was just like, how do we reprogram everybody to get back in touch with Jovita from Compton who can get a doctorate? Okay. Like, come on, get out of this woman's way. Okay. She's from Watts. Are you kidding me? So your articulation of that just now was a gift to me. I truly appreciate it. And I thank you so much for joining us. This was wonderful.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you for having me, Kimmy.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. Take care. Have a great day.

SPEAKER_01:

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