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How Nature, Faith & Art Bring Healing and Hope - An Interview with Nancy Thygesen

• Matt Tommey: Artist, Best-Selling Author, Speaker, Entrepreneur and Artist Mentor

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In this episode, I sit down with Nancy Thygesen, a cold wax and oil painter whose atmospheric landscapes and new ventures into equine art reflect a deep connection with God’s creation. 

From the rugged beauty of British Columbia to her experiences as an art therapist, Nancy shares how her creative journey has been intertwined with personal healing, spiritual growth, and a desire to reveal God’s presence through her work.

We talk about the courage it takes to evolve artistically, the balance between sharing your faith and letting it speak naturally through your art, and the beauty of hearing God’s voice in nature. Nancy’s story is a powerful reminder that creativity can be a sacred pathway to both personal restoration and inspiring others.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • How God’s creation inspires and shapes Nancy’s art
  • The transition from encaustic and acrylic to cold wax and oil painting
  • Insights from her background in art therapy and personal healing
  • Finding balance in expressing faith through visual art
  • The joy and freedom of exploring new creative directions

🌟 Favorite Quotes from This Episode:

“He is present and willing to speak if we just have eyes to see and ears to hear what He has to say.” — Nancy Thygesen

 “Your art becomes a window for others to see the heart of God.” — Matt Tommey


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Speaker 1:

All over the world, artists are awakening. Painters and potters, writers and weavers, poets and dancers not chasing followers or fame, but sons and daughters called for such a time as this, transformed from the inside out, creating with purpose, releasing the glory of God and living in the power of the kingdom. Right now, this is the Thriving Christian Artist. Well, hey, friends, welcome back to the podcast. Super glad that you're here. I'm really honored to have a friend of mine and a member of our Created to Thrive Artist Mentoring Program, Nancy Thigason, who is not only a great artist, she's also somebody that really loves the Lord and loves healing and loves to see creativity and healing and all that kind of stuff work together in a transformational process to help people really be everything God's called them to be. So, Nancy, I'm super glad you're here. Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2:

Oh, thanks so much for having me, Matt. This is a real honor and a privilege. Oh me too, me, too, me too.

Speaker 1:

We were just talking about where you live in the world, which is one of those gorgeous spots that everybody's envious of. But for those folks that are just getting to know, you kind of let them know what you do creatively and where you are in the world, and all that sort of thing.

Speaker 2:

Okay, well, I'm a cold wax and oil artist, atmospheric landscapes, and just recently the Lord, it felt giving me a new connection to equine art, which kind of brings me back to a childhood dream, but we can talk about that later. So I'm incorporating the equine, I'm equa artist, along with the landscape art and we're out here right now in Harrison Mills, bc, which is just about two hours east of Vancouver. So if you orient yourself around Vancouver, british Columbia, far West province, it's a West coast, west coast area, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Love it, love it. And that area I mean we were talking before is just so full of of creative inspiration. I mean, does that, does that landscape speak to you? I know it like the rocks and the water and the trees and just the verdant landscape, like it's just, oh, just take me there and leave me in the woods. I love that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely Matt, and I think the Lord has always been working on me and how we get to know Him through His creation, and whether it's in BC or the East Coast or Texas or the North Pole, he is there, he is present and willing to speak, if we just have eyes to see and ears to hear what he has to say. And he reveals himself through his creation. And that's initially what got me where I was going with my art and my art therapy as well.

Speaker 1:

That's so cool. Now, just on the creative side of things, have you always done cold wax and oil, or is that what's kind of been your artistic development? Where'd you start and how'd you end up in cold wax and oil?

Speaker 2:

Ah well, that's an interesting process. So if I just take from when we started and created to thrive, I felt like the Lord was giving me photo encaustic because I was following some artists online and I thought, oh wow, I like that and I had all this abundance of photography in my toolbox and how great to use encaustic with that process. And after a while, though, I found the encaustic didn't really challenge my artistic growth or using that process, so I went on. I found Cold Wax and Oil and I know you've had Grace Carol Bomer on your show Found her. Found actually, she's from Barhead, alberta, where I live in Edmonton.

Speaker 1:

right, yeah, she's a great friend. For many years Our studios were close together in the River Arts District.

Speaker 2:

Oh my gosh. And what I loved about Grace's work is the Emmanuel God with us. She showed her worldview loud and clear in her art, and that is always my heart's desire, you know, to find that balance between sharing your worldview and hitting people over the head with the Bible.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2:

So the cold wax and oil came and initially, when I started this was back in art therapy days was acrylic and that was fun because I have a degree in art. But that was years ago from college and hadn't really developed that, didn't really know a lot. But the freedom of just playing with paint just opened up my artistic self to move on into. And when I was doing the art therapy you do everything on yourself that you're doing with your clients. So it's also was God's way of healing me, like in my own self-awareness and my own healing. And I didn't realize it at the time. A lot of things I did was like okay, yeah, that's going to be great when.

Speaker 1:

I work with somebody else, right? We think they're just on the side, right, or something just extra to the story, right, yeah?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah. So the acrylics was there, but I found the cold wax and oil gave you that layering ability that the acrylics I I mean I've seen work that you can achieve it, but I just love the richness of the oils and the actually the process that we use in that atmospheric landscape you use like a squeegee and you know it's very I don't want to say meditative, but it requires patience. It's not. It's not like boom, boom, boom on a canvas and you got your painting in an hour and that was whoa. I got to slow down.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, layers have to dry. I mean I love it. You know I work in cold wax and oil too, but it I love it because I can. I guess just my life is kind of crazy and I'm not always in the studio anymore like on a regular basis and so I could do something in cold wax and let it sit for a few days and it's the drying time and I can scratch in it and add layers and glazes and it just really serves me kind of for what I'm in and it's, it's been this. I don't know everybody that I know that uses cold wax. It like is this chameleon, you know it like it does different things with different people's processes and I just I love your work. Of course you know that, but I it's just wonderful that it's a. It's such a rich metaphor for life too, right? All the layers and the and the tech textures and all the stuff, right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and all the scratching back. I love that and sometimes God in his goodness and mercy, which we don't know at the time he's got to put us back right and have a little bench time before he moves you to the next level.

Speaker 1:

So yeah, Well, I want to jump into some of your backstory because I know that you described kind of your journey as feeling like you know, pulling of ropes and that sort of thing and stopping seasons, going seasons. Feeling like the Lord is, you know, leading you and guiding you all along. But talk about how you begin to see the Lord directing your path, as you're an artist but you're also a person. We don't live these separate lives right. We're doing all of this together at the same time and God can use our life to inform our art, or uses our art to inform our life, and so kind of walk us through your story and how the Lord began to lead you through all the seasons of your life.

Speaker 2:

Well, thank you for that. That's a great question, matt. As an art therapist, I just want to go back to your little, your comment on the ropes. Yeah, often in the art therapy what, as an art therapist, I help support people to lead them gently to discover their own personal metaphors. So you're always on the lookout in their language and in like, if we do collage work as an entry point of the photos and so on that they choose. Well, back in the day well, this was around the time I met my before I met my husband I found a picture of a horse and this horse was like I don't know if it was a wild horse, but there were three guys with a rope tied to this ropes on this horse. And this horse was like you could see the whites of his eyes because he was so terrified.

Speaker 2:

And I resonated with that metaphor because that was how, in many ways, I was so rebellious when, I was younger and I needed and even in my journey in the dating world after my, my divorce, I was like you know, men was going to tie me down, yeah, and that I had to let the Lord heal me and, through a lot of personal work, heal my heart that I could understand and recognize when a godly man came into my life. Yeah and recognize when a godly man came into my life so to understand that a man is your, he's my leader, rick, had a better word for it.

Speaker 2:

We were talking about that the other day. But to submit to a man in the biblical sense, that was a big learning for me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah to do that, a mutual submission and love. That's such a beautiful, beautiful relationship. I, you know, as you're saying that, I think about my mom. My mom and dad were married probably 22 years, I think, and then had a big blow up, nasty divorce Mama called it the Holocaust and all this kind of thing and and she was shut down for so many years you and, and she was shut down for so many years.

Speaker 1:

You know, as a lot of people are trauma, woundedness, fear, anxieties, all the stuff you know that hurt that that went on with that and and she always said she always said, I'm not getting married again unless he's old, rich and sick. You know, like I'm not, I'm not interested, I'm not interested in this. But and so it was interesting because she never really let herself see even the possibility of relationships in her life. And I remember there was one day that the Lord just opened up a time with us talking about this and she was telling me about how she was still praying for my daddy every day and I told her, I said, mama, I feel like the Lord wants you to stop praying for daddy, like you need to let him go and to him, you know, to the Lord and you start praying for you and you start praying for what's next in your life.

Speaker 1:

Well, that opened up this door of of healing in her life and and wholeness and it was so crazy. I mean, like two or three months after she started doing this work and really working through a lot of the hurt, all of a sudden mama's dating, all of a sudden mama's meeting people and going out and having fun and all this kind of stuff, and it's just. It just brings up the fact, I think in your story and in her story, I'm just thinking that unless we do the work of healing in our heart and really get real with the Lord in that and sometimes our art's a part of that right Unless we do that, we really leave our ourselves blocked from being able to see the good things that God has for us next in our life. And I'm just so glad that you were willing to do that and now you're leading other people in doing that same sort of work. It's just so important, isn't it?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely, matt, and I think you just nailed it. Because, really, what is the purpose of this whole journey? It's to help, using your pain, all that, like in the art therapy world they'd say, make your mess your message, but using that to lead others through the desert and to serve other people. Ultimately, that's what it's about. And even to tie this back into this, you know we're artists here. It's created to thrive, but how important we're body, mind and spirit.

Speaker 2:

And we are created to be in relationship and I know not all relationships are great, not all relationships support each other in their you know, god-given purpose or creativity, and I know that can be a challenge for many people. But just to pray.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Instead of praying to change that person, pray to change your heart. But what God has really impacted on me is the power of prayer lately. Like, don't try to fix it, I was all about controlling the result.

Speaker 1:

Right right.

Speaker 2:

I'm going to control this outcome. I'm picking you, buddy, and you're coming with me.

Speaker 1:

That's right, that's funny. It's so easy to look back on our life and kind of see what God has done, but when you're in the middle of it, you know and he's working on you in the middle of it, sometimes we can't see the greater plan. I know that you've talked about. Your life is kind of feeling like you're on a train journey to the promised land and as you kind of look back over your journey, not only as an artist but now art therapist and just a person, what are some of those, I guess, kind of key stops along your journey to where you are now that God used those times to kind of bring you to a realization or heal a place in your heart that was key to you being able to go on to the next thing that you're doing?

Speaker 2:

I think that's such an important question for anybody when you're looking back on your life. It was actually a really super profound moment just preparing for this interview because you start reflecting on all these past experiences. But I would have to say some of the defining moments, which we can be traumatic or wonderful is, I think, was my divorce. So in 1987, I'll just talk about myself in this case but that was how God got my attention. He'll use like I was on not the best trajectory in our marriage and the Lord got me on a. He got my attention and at the time I'd say I was. What would I say I was? I was a church Christian. I'd go to church.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, culturally.

Speaker 2:

Christian. Yeah, I get it, I was a cultural Christian and even that, you know, was not primary in my life at that time. But God had to show me like I thought okay, this is going to be resolved in about three to six months when the next guy is going to fix everything. I mean, this is like a green acorn when I think back on those times. But God distinctly spoke to me. He gave me Psalm and I wrote it down so I wouldn't forget it here.

Speaker 1:

Psalm 3418,.

Speaker 2:

God is close to the brokenhearted and saves those that are crushed in spirit. And it was like a divine touch, an angelic touch. But I thought again the time frame was my time frame. If somebody would have told me then that I would be married in 19 or 2013,. So it would be. It was 25 years. Wow, I would say, jesus, take me now. Because I thought I?

Speaker 1:

That was not the plan to wait that long, huh oh no, again my timing.

Speaker 2:

I was just beginning to understand God's timing and I was a hot mess and I didn't know it. But I just want to speak to this and it connects to even with your mom's story about the grieving.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Like the grieving process in all these things is essential to go through and we talk about in the Caring for the Wounded Heart, which is a trauma healing program that I'm a facilitator part of, we talk about the neighborhoods of grief. So you've got the event and then you have the denial and the anger and the area of no hope and then you go to new beginnings. But the problem is when people jump to the neighborhood of new beginnings without doing the work. It's called a false bridge. And I took that false bridge.

Speaker 1:

Well, because you think that's the shortcut. If I can just get over there, everything will be fine. Right, yeah, right, but it's not.

Speaker 2:

Not fine. So then, the Lord in that know it's condensing a lot of storytelling, but he brought people into my life and programs using art and movement.

Speaker 1:

Wow. In my healing because he knew what I needed because you're just as passionate about health and wholeness in your body as you are about in your mind and spirit and in your art. So you've kind of even created a little beautiful niche there, that where you kind of combine all that right in your work. Now.

Speaker 2:

I was trying yeah, I was trying that. I think it's probably a little bit more delineated now, but this was something I didn't. I wanted to share that. In 19, I also was a Middle Eastern dance artist, aka belly dancer. Wow, this was for 25 years. I started when my son was a baby and at that time in my life I use that to fill the big hole in my heart. My life I use that to fill the big hole in my heart, and that's a that's a caution to anybody that's listening is who's on the throne of your heart?

Speaker 1:

Wow, yeah, and even like there's.

Speaker 2:

no, there's no love seats, right, it's one seat and that's Jesus. Yeah, cause it's so easy in.

Speaker 1:

it's so easy to put good things right Nothing wrong with dance, nothing wrong with art, nothing wrong with these things in general but when we run to them as our solution or as the thing that's going to make us feel better in and of itself, that does take Jesus off the throne right and puts that thing or even that person right. Unhealthy relationships If I can just be with this person or have that relationship, then everything will be great, and that's just. It's a mirage, isn't it? It just it keeps us looking in the wrong places.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, matt, and I just think of the apple.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, right.

Speaker 2:

The apple looks so good, and you know I ate, drank and slept, belly dancing, and you know. I ate, drank and slept belly dancing and I guess it was a passion. But when your passion becomes an obsession, that is problematic.

Speaker 1:

But how do you know the difference? How would you say what's the difference in passion versus obsession?

Speaker 2:

When you start sacrificing certain relationships and other things that should be priority. Now did I ask the Lord should I go into belly dancing? No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1:

Right right.

Speaker 2:

But long story short, he did even redeem that I danced and performed for 25 years. I took a hiatus after the divorce but I started teaching and I was able to mentor some other young girls, young gals, to take over Like there's a whole, you know in in the performance zone anyway, that they, I I felt the best when I was teaching and giving back and it applies to the movement, the Pilates, the art.

Speaker 2:

But the coolest thing about the belly dance was and this was in 2000, and I remember I started connecting with worship dance and I have a dance background and the Lord was saying. I heard that so clearly. Now I want you to praise me with your gifts.

Speaker 1:

Wow, wow, isn't that beautiful. The Lord is always about redemption.

Speaker 2:

Oh, is he ever.

Speaker 1:

He's always like. I mean, I think about those verses in 2 Peter, 1, 3, and 4 that talk about we've already been given everything we need for life and godliness. They come through His precious promises and when we do that then we can enter into the divine life. Right, this kingdom, life through the promises of God. And it says that we would escape the world and the lust of the world. And I think you know what is lust.

Speaker 1:

Lust is oftentimes having a valid desire but pointing it in the wrong direction. Right, and I think it. And that just the human condition, right, we have these natural desires as people, passions and dreams and all this, but we don't point them in the direction of the Lord. We don't point them in the direction of his plan for our life. We go and try to get it ourself and I think for you, like God created you right as somebody that loves dance and movement and exercise and health and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1:

But the enemy says, no, don't look at the Lord, look over here in this way, see if you can fulfill it this way. But the Lord, I just love it that you're talking about. You know when God began to heal your heart, draw you back to him and all that. It's not like he says you're never going to dance again. He's like, no, now you're going to do it the way I designed you to do it. Now you're going to do it with me on the throne of your heart. I mean, I just love that. It's just so beautiful.

Speaker 2:

Oh man, when I reflect back on that, he gave me the vision like in belly dancing there's veil movements which are it's not just waving a cloth around right.

Speaker 2:

It's very it's. There's a lot of technique to the dance and how in worship dance. He gave me the choreography to use the veil in worship dance choreography to use the veil in worship dance and I taught choreographies to you know some Christian music and taught women how to use the veil and some of the movements to carry over into worship dance. So he redeemed it. He gave me choreographies and I used to listen to people like hearing that they got a choreography from the Lord. I'm thinking how does that work?

Speaker 1:

How does that even work?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I did. I remember doing a workshop and getting a choreography. I was on flying to Vancouver and it the whole picture came into my head which was like totally God, yeah, Totally God.

Speaker 1:

I just love it. I love it. It didn't need out. At every, at every point in our journey or, as you talk about this train ride to the promised land, every stop, the Lord is bringing exactly what we need. He's letting us walk through seasons that sometimes are fun, sometimes are more challenging and difficult, but at each one of those places, he does exactly what we need. I love that.

Speaker 1:

Now you're doing what we're all designed to do, which is take this, like you said, turn your mess into a message. You're using the teaching moments of your life, all these stops on the journey, if you will, and really allowing the Lord to heal others, to use your life and your story to be, you know, a healing place for other people. Well, you know, I know this is maybe not a fair question, but as you look at all the people you you work with now as an art therapist and in movement and all that kind of stuff, what would you say? Is there one kind of main thing that you see, boy, when people, when people enter into this kind of creative process like this is what happens. This is one of the big aha moments that I see people get every time, like what, what's? What's a big breakthrough that you see with people.

Speaker 2:

Number one is reduction of anxiety. Wow, people come stressed out, and I mean I worked in addictions, which is a fragmented brain. People, the, the ladies. It was a Christian residential treatment center Very blessed to be able to work within Christian environment with that, but across the board, release of anxiety and discovering their creativity. And it's wow. I never thought I could do this, and I think those are the two and what is revealed in the art. It's when words are not enough.

Speaker 2:

And we talk about, I mean the subconscious mind. But what comes out in the art, people in their logical minds often are not even aware of. And that's the other beautiful part. It's helping people discover that deeper meaning through the art. So that's what I would say is the differentiation of art therapy and art as therapeutic. Art is therapeutic, but when you're working with an art therapist, they're skilled in the use of materials, the invitations, and also mining the meaning of the art, because often your art is a reflection of self. So when you abandon the art too soon, it's like that self-abandonment. So okay, let's. But you also work with the, the, the person and where they're at like. Not everybody's ready to go deep, right, you know, they have their own journeys.

Speaker 1:

So yeah, so I'm going to put you on the spot then. All this, all this journey that you've had and all this you know artistically, and all the transformation with the Lord. When you look at your art right now and you make the statement, art is often a reflection of self. What are you seeing in your art right now that reflects all of the journey that you've been on all these years.

Speaker 2:

Oh, okay, you know, I think honestly it's the metaphor of the horse and what got me back? I'm doing equine art.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And does discover the people connect with the horse because of their strength and freedom, I mean, but the horse is also a herd animal.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And they do best in herds and they're also very fearful. Like they're fearful, you know I'm, you know I'm not a horse expert yet, but it also connects back, so I'm. I think it's a reflection of myself. But the freedom, but the real piece that got me was what are we going to be riding when we come back with Jesus?

Speaker 1:

Come on, a white horse Might as well. Get used to it now, right?

Speaker 2:

Not a sheep, not a pig. So wow that and all that. You can do a deep dive in biblically what the metaphor is around the horse, but I would have to. I'm, I'm that horse. And there was a new enervation in my art when I started doing like this has only been a couple of months, but when I started doing the, this art and oh, it's just an infinite variety and and I found it really resonated with people.

Speaker 2:

Like when I talk to people, oh, you know, you discover that they found the horse very meaningful in their own life, which I was astounded. How many found that?

Speaker 1:

Wow, it's just such a beautiful metaphor how the Lord speaks to you and then uses the same thing to speak to others, and he'll use the same thing but speak to other people in different ways, right?

Speaker 1:

And that's the mystery of what we do as artists, and I just love that. It's such a beautiful story, nancy, how God's used your art all through your life to not only be a place of expression but a place of connection, a place of healing, and now it's an invitation for others even to experience that. I just I wonder, as we end our time together, what you might say to artists that are maybe out there and maybe they're on one of these stops on the train to the promised land. They're like Lord, this ain't the promised land, this is somewhere in the middle and the messy middle, right, and I'm not sure what's going on. I'm a creative, but I feel most connected when I'm with you in my art, but I don't know what's going on in my life right now. How could they use this beautiful process of creativity that God's given them in that therapeutic way to really connect with the Lord and maybe allow the Lord to mind those places in their own heart to bring them to a place of deeper freedom and healing.

Speaker 2:

That's such a great leaving to give to people, but just to stay in that time with the Lord and not rush out of it. Sometimes we, as I've illustrated already, I want to get on the next stop. This is taking way too long and we don't.

Speaker 1:

Come on with it.

Speaker 2:

And even to be in prayer for those small moments. And that's in the latest, this last part of the journey like it's not. Maybe it's not the thousand people that see my art in a gallery, Maybe it's one person, One person maybe that I'll be able to talk to, that will need hope and encouragement because ultimately, it's about serving others. That's our transformation, isn't about only for us and, as a way of encouragement, everything that we're doing right now I mean this could be a whole other conversation, but God's, it's going to, he's using it now.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

What do you think we're going to be doing in the millennial kingdom?

Speaker 1:

That's right For all eternity. Right, it's so beautiful to think about because everybody thinks, oh, we're going to be sitting there playing harps and singing. Like no, that's a, that's not a full understanding of what this millennial kingdom is going to be like. We're going to be here on earth with the lord, like doing all this incredible stuff probably the things we're doing now and even even more and just like, wow, that's, that's so incredible. This is all rehearsal.

Speaker 2:

Right for right for what's coming and what you know, this is my husband, so I'm not going to lay claim to it. But he says you know, really, this is a long weekend that we're here for, compared to eternity, wow, it's a long weekend. It may seem like you're in this place this season forever, but just drill down to the Lord and invite him in, invite the Holy Spirit to show you, and he will.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I really appreciate you talking about art as process because you know, I mean, you know me I love business, coaching, helping artists make a living and all the stuff. But I think, especially in today's world, in this kind of mammon spirit that wants to, you know, influence everybody, there can be this real rush to make everything a product right and to monetize everything. And I think I really think artists that are going through difficulty in their life, and especially emerging artists not that they're always going through difficulty, but as we're, as we're starting our art journey we do ourself a disservice if we immediately rush to monetization as opposed to just really letting the Lord work through us and in us in our art process. And that's where unique voice comes from, that's where authenticity comes from as an artist.

Speaker 1:

And I'm always like you know, if God's got the thousand people for you to see you in a gallery, if he's got art therapy or becoming an influencer or whatever it is, he'll do that, as you're faithful, with a little, but you can't rush ahead and try to make it happen in your own strength. And I just I love this perspective and just the example that you're setting, nancy, of trust the Lord in the process and at the right time, god will bring forth the fruit and the exposure that you need to do what he's called you to do, and don't worry about comparing yourself to everybody else and thinking, well, if I don't do it that way, I'm not going to be successful. Like that's not life in the kingdom. That's a recipe for striving and anxiety. That's what gets you coming to see an art therapist, right.

Speaker 2:

That's right More business for me.

Speaker 1:

Exactly Well, nancy, it's a joy to be with you today. I know that people are going to want to find out about your website and on social. Your website is great, by the way. It's got just such a beautiful display of all the stuff that you do. So where can they find you online and how can they connect with you?

Speaker 2:

Well, nancy, nancy Thigasoncom is my website, I'm nancytcreative on Instagram and I have my Facebook pages with Nancy Thigason and Nancy Oltheus.

Speaker 1:

Awesome, awesome, well, nancy, what a joy. Thank you for sharing your journey. It's, I know, been an inspiration to a lot of people out there today. Guys, if you're watching this or listening to this and you want to connect with Nancy, you can do so in the show notes or the podcast description and click over and go to her website or visit her on social media and just continue the journey. But, nancy, thanks so much for taking some time and sharing your story today.

Speaker 2:

This has been so great, thank you.

Speaker 1:

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