Wingmen Show
Two Dope Boys in a Navy jet. The Wingmen Show is a weekly podcast about challenges and opportunities in everyday life. Your hosts are two guys born in Harlem, New York previously unknown to each other. Separately, they became Navy pilots flying high performance jet aircraft on and off of aircraft carriers patrolling the world’s oceans. Their paths did not cross formally until they ended up flying for the same airline after their active-duty military service had ended. They have a wide range of experiences spanning the worlds of basketball and boxing. Drew’s father is Drew Bundini Brown, Muhammad Ali’s Wingman and coined the iconic phrase “Float Like A Butterfly Sting, Like A Bee". Martial Arts and Show Business are also areas of mutual interest. Drew has been featured nationally on television programs such as the Donahue Show and the Today Show. He has also appeared in hundreds of newspapers and magazines. Both are published authors as well as former Navy jet pilots and Commercial Airline Pilots; they retired after having flown the Boeing 777 airliner. The cultural mix of religions, immigrant parents and grandparents from Europe and the Caribbean gives them an uncommon perspective on racial matters. Melding the cultures of New York City, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Memphis, the Caribbean and Atlanta has helped shape their worldview when combined with the life they have seen and experienced having flown extensively to countries throughout the world.They are wingmen to each other, providing advice, guidance and constructive criticism when needed. The goal of the show is to inspire and entertain those unafraid to expand their minds and perhaps learn something new in the hope that the listeners can become wingmen to others. Each one, teach one.
Wingmen Show
Menopause, Hot Flashes & Hard Landings: The Midlife Flight Brief
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Episode 250 is a milestone — and Commander Drew and Dr. Paul mark it with a conversation that matters for everyone: the truth about midlife, hormonal change, and how to keep your body flying strong when your system gets a software update you didn’t ask for.
The show opens with a no-excuses fitness brief on the five areas that protect your health through midlife: resistance training, balance, mobility, cardio, and mindfulness. Whether it’s menopause for women or the quiet decline men try to ignore, the message is the same—your airframe changed. Stop pretending you’re 22 and fly what you’ve got with a plan that actually works.
The Good News segment honors Mrs. Susan Young Browne — 108 years old, born in 1918, and still collecting reasons to keep going. She walked ten miles a day for school in a segregated system, taught for three decades, traveled the world in retirement, and recently had a governor show up to her birthday asking for life advice. Her story is a masterclass in purpose and movement.
The Wingmen Longevity Quiz gives every listener an honest look at their long-range flight plan—five key areas: health, home, social connection, care readiness, and purpose. The questions are simple. The answers might sting. Either way, you leave knowing exactly what to fix.
Jet Jolt pulls back the curtain on the night carrier landing—the maneuver most civilian pilots don’t know exists and most Navy pilots never forget. No horizon, a pitching deck, a glowing meatball, and one shot to catch a wire. It’s a controlled crash, and it’s home.
The Frequent Flow-Line brings a letter from Key Largo—a woman preparing for a family reunion with a narcissistic uncle, asking how to protect her peace and model strength for her young son without starting a war. Drew and Paul walk through grey-rock tactics, boundary language, and the ready-room standard for handling someone who mistakes control for leadership.
The Gouge with Ace tackles EFOL Fact #6: the difference between healthy self-confidence and ego that quietly drives people away. And the Wingman story closes the show with Marcus—a man 47 years into bad habits and one early-morning text away from getting his life back.