Two Dope Boys in a Navy jet. The Wingmen Show is a weekly podcast about challenges and opportunities in everyday life. Your hosts are two guys born in Harlem, New York previously unknown to each other. Separately, they became Navy pilots flying high performance jet aircraft on and off of aircraft carriers patrolling the world’s oceans. Their paths did not cross formally until they ended up flying for the same airline after their active-duty military service had ended. They have a wide range of experiences spanning the worlds of basketball and boxing. Drew’s father is Drew Bundini Brown, Muhammad Ali’s Wingman and coined the iconic phrase “Float Like A Butterfly Sting, Like A Bee". Martial Arts and Show Business are also areas of mutual interest. Drew has been featured nationally on television programs such as the Donahue Show and the Today Show. He has also appeared in hundreds of newspapers and magazines. Both are published authors as well as former Navy jet pilots and Commercial Airline Pilots; they retired after having flown the Boeing 777 airliner. The cultural mix of religions, immigrant parents and grandparents from Europe and the Caribbean gives them an uncommon perspective on racial matters. Melding the cultures of New York City, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Memphis, the Caribbean and Atlanta has helped shape their worldview when combined with the life they have seen and experienced having flown extensively to countries throughout the world.They are wingmen to each other, providing advice, guidance and constructive criticism when needed. The goal of the show is to inspire and entertain those unafraid to expand their minds and perhaps learn something new in the hope that the listeners can become wingmen to others. Each one, teach one.
What actually makes somebody cool? It is a question we have all been asking since middle school, and this week Commander Drew and Dr. Paul finally have some data. Researchers surveyed nearly 6,000 people across 12 countries, from the United States and Mexico to Nigeria, India, China, Germany, and South Korea, and the answer was remarkably consistent. Cool people are seen as outgoing, adventurous, open-minded, independent, influential, and willing to enjoy life. But the research found something even more important: cool and good are not the same thing. The Wingmen make the case that the strongest kind of cool combines confidence and adventure with character, the kind of person who can walk into any room as themselves and still answer the phone at 2:00 a.m. when a friend needs help.
From there, the good news keeps coming. The guys break down time-of-use electricity plans and why when you use power can matter almost as much as how much you use. They share the story of a California resident who gave $1 million directly to the teachers of an underfunded school district, more than $9,000 each, delivered in sealed envelopes. They look at the evolving science on treating sprains and strains, where gentle movement is getting a fresh look alongside the old RICE routine.
In the Jet Jolt, it is China’s TMS-10, an experimental business jet with a goal of carrying passengers at Mach 2 while taming the sonic boom. A fellow Navy veteran in Indiana writes in to the Frequent Flow Line asking how to make peace with a difficult neighbor without starting World War III over the property line. Ace takes on the Gouge question of what to do when your flight is delayed and the gate line is growing. And the episode closes with “The First Word,” the story of a Navy kid in Naples, Italy, and the neighbor boy who showed him that a wingman does not need to speak your language to make room for you.
We Talk About
■ What makes someone cool: a 12-country study of nearly 6,000 people on what the world considers “cool”
■ Cool vs. good: why confidence and adventure mean little without kindness and dependability
■ The smart electricity gouge: time-of-use plans, peak hours, and shifting your biggest loads off-peak
■ A million-dollar thank-you: one resident’s $1 million gift to Ross Valley School District teachers
■ A better way to bounce back: rethinking rest, ice, and gentle movement for minor sprains and strains
■ Jet Jolt: China’s TMS-10 and the push for quieter supersonic travel
■ Frequent Flow Line: a Navy veteran in Indiana looking for calm seas with his neighbor
■ The Gouge with Ace: what to do first when your flight is delayed
■ Wingmen Story: “The First Word,” a Navy kid, a new country, and a friend with a soccer ball
SPEAKER_05
Welcome to the Wingman Show, where we're floating like butterflies and stinging like bees. Rumble, you two badass jet pilots, rumble. Welcome to the wingman show. My name is Commander Drew Brown. My wingman, my friend, the guy who always watches my six o'clock is my main man, Dr. Paul Thompson.
SPEAKER_03
What's up, Brother Paul? Hello, Commander Drew. Uh, only thing that's up is you and me. You're looking really good. I like that shirt. You look like look like my uh my dentist who I saw a couple weeks ago.
SPEAKER_05
Well, good. I hope he's good looking. Oh, yeah, he's he's devastatingly good looking. Okay, good. Well, Dr. Paul, you know TOP for me means Time on Planet. But there was a TOP before I came up with Time on Planet, and that was called Tower of Power. And one of their biggest hits was, What is hip? Tell me, tell me if you think you know. You remember that song, Dr. P?
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, yeah, dude. That was a great song. It was a big song, big hit. Tower of Power is great. I think they're out, they're out of the West Coast, Zara Carl.
SPEAKER_05
Yes, they're from Oakland, and they are one of my favorite bands. They got horns for days. It's a great band. But the title of the show is What is Hip? What the world says makes you cool. I like it. So we'll start off with a quote of the day. This is by Jeanette Kagame. Education breeds confidence, which breeds hope, which ultimately brings peace. By Jeanette Kagame, one more time. Education breeds confidence, which breeds hope, which ultimately brings peace. What do you think about that, Dr. P?
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, I never heard of Jeanette Kagame. I know who she is. Her husband is actually Paul Kagami. They pronounce it Kagami. He's the president of Rwanda, and she's the first lady of Rwanda. And uh I guess she's known for being a humanitarian, uh doing a lot of work with HIV AIDS in Rwanda. I think she holds an honorary doctorate from Oklahoma Christian University for her uh where her AIDS were. I guess she's been at it for about 25 years.
SPEAKER_05
Wow, that's very interesting. I didn't know anything about her. And you know, you and I always and only talk about education. That's how you and I became successful through education, and we pushed that. So I love that quote. All right, everybody, welcome back to the Wingman Show. Today we have a question everybody has wondered since middle school. What actually makes somebody cool? And the good news is researchers asked nearly 6,000 people across 12 countries, from the United States to Nigeria, China, Mexico, India, Germany, South Korea, and more. And the answer was surprisingly consistent. Dr. Paul?
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, Commander Drew. So it turns out cool. It's not just expensive sneakers or sunglasses indoors, or acting like you're too important to text somebody back. You know, across cultures, people tend to see cool people as more outgoing, adventurous, open-minded, independent, maybe influential, just willing to enjoy life.
SPEAKER_05
Wow. Let's break that down then. Extroverted does not mean you have to be the loudest person in the room. And powerful does not mean you have to push people around. It means people notice when you walk in because you are comfortable in your own skin and you carry yourself with purpose.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, and being autonomous is a big one. Cool people are often seen as having their own mind about things. They don't let every trend, every opinion, or every loud person in the room tell them who they're supposed to be. Dr.
SPEAKER_05
Paul, one of my mentors was Brad Butler, who was the CEO and chairman of the board of Procter and Gamble. And I'll never forget him telling me that God's greatest gift to him was autonomy. Nobody knew who he was. You see, the research also found something important. Being cool and being good are not exactly the same thing. Good people were more often described as warm, calm, dependable, agreeable, conscientious, and secure. Qualities that might not get you applause at a party, but they sure matter when life gets real.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, that's the part that I like. You can have adventure, some confidence in your own style. But if you're not kind, trustworthy, and solid when people really need you, maybe cool for a minute, but you're not somebody that people can count on.
SPEAKER_05
All right, so I guess here's the wingman takeaway. Do not spend your whole life trying to look cool. Be curious, try new things, travel when you can, speak up for yourself, build confidence through competence, and have enough fun that life does not become one long, boring checklist.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah. Well, Commander Drew, add some character to it. The strongest kind of cool is when people know you walk into any room, that you can be yourself, enjoy life, and still be the person who answers the phone at two in the morning when a friend really needs help.
SPEAKER_05
And also, cool is not pretending that you don't care. Cool is knowing who you are, having the courage to live your own life, enjoying the ride, and still being solid enough that people are proud to call you their wingman. And Dr. Paul, you are cool, and you are my wingman. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the Wingman Show. You know it's our good news segment, and we love good news because it seems like everybody just wants to tell you something bad, but not here at the Wingman Show. So stop paying too much for electricity. Here's some smart electrical gouge. Welcome back to the Wingman Show. I just learned something that made me look at my electric bill like it'd been taking flying lessons without even telling me. When you use electricity, it can matter just as much as how much you use, Dr. Paul.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, that's right, Commander Drew. By the time of the use plan, your utility may charge different prices depending on the hour. In many places, your electricity is cheapest overnight and on the weekends, while weekday, late afternoons and evenings, often between 4 to 9 p.m., are the most expensive peak windows because everybody's home cooking, charging, cooling, and running appliances at once.
SPEAKER_05
Well, you know, for me, that means scheduling my cyber truck now to charge after 11 o'clock at night. Now it means me running my pool pump at 11 o'clock at night, not during the day. And now we're doing laundry on the weekends or after 11 o'clock. And those are the big power draws. So depending on your utility plan, that same electricity can cost dramatically less during off-peak hours than during the high demand window.
SPEAKER_03
Exactly right. But you don't have to copy somebody else's numbers blindly because one utility may have different off-peak rates, around 5 cents and peak rates at 28 cents per kilowatt hour, while another may have entirely different hours and different prices. Khan Edison, for example, that's up in New York, lists a summer peak rate of about 27.86 cents per kilowatt hour versus 5.22 cents off peak on one of the brake plants, Commander Drew.
SPEAKER_05
Well, Dr. Paul, so one of the things that everybody needs to do is call up your utility company or go online and find out what those times are. Because here's the big gouge. Do the heavy lifting when the grid is not crowded. Electric vehicle charging, pool pumps, dishwashers, dryers, and even some thermostat adjustments can be shifted with timers, smart plugs, appliance delay start buttons, or your vehicle's charging schedule. And that's what we did with the Cybertruck. We change when it will charge.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, that's the benefit of a timer. You know, that's not just good for your wallet. It helps the electrical grid, too. So when millions of people avoid using their biggest lows during the peak demand, the system doesn't have to work as hard to meet that giant afterwork surge. So those off-peak hours commonly are late in the evening through the early morning. And many plans also make weekends cheaper too. But your exact schedule is set by your utility, so you need to check.
SPEAKER_05
So now I'm not saying sit in the dark, sweat all summer, or even make your family wait until midnight to eat dinner. I am saying find the big energy users you can move without changing your quality of life, because that is where the savings live.
SPEAKER_03
So you can start with your bill, look for the words time of use or TOU or peak or off-peak or even demand charge. Then compare your current plan with the utilities alternatives. Because a time of use plan only helps if you can actually shift enough electricity out of that expensive window. No, consumer reports notes that utilities offer to offer these plans, but peak hours and the potential savings vary by provider and the season. So you got to check commandager.
SPEAKER_05
Well, Dr. Paul, here's the smart electricity gouged then. Do not just ask how much power am I using, ask when am I using it? Charge that truck at night, run the big appliances off peak, know your rate plan and stop paying first class prices for electricity. You could have bought on sale. It could bring down your electrical bill by at least a third. All right, how about some more good news, Dr. Paul? Sure, I'm always ready for good news. Well, good. Imagine being a teacher walking into a meeting with no idea why you've been called in. You're thinking about lesson plans, your students, and everything waiting for you back in the classroom. And then the principal begins handing out envelopes.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, that's what happened in California's Ross Valley School District. A local resident named Marja Christin had learned that the district was among the lowest funded in the state. So she decided to give $1 million directly to his teachers. Inside each envelope was a check of more than $9,000, Commander Drew. More than $9,000?
SPEAKER_05
But Paul, what gets me is what that check could actually mean at home. One teacher, a mother of three, said it would let her say yes to activities for her kids that have salary, didn't always allow. See, they used to buy pencils and pens and paper for the students, and now they're getting paid back a little bit, Dr. Pete.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, I couldn't believe that teachers have to buy their own supplies. That's that's I still think that's crazy. But another teacher said she never experienced such a beautiful gift from someone she didn't even know. This wasn't only a financial help. It was someone saying, I see how hard you work, and it matters.
SPEAKER_05
Exactly. We hear plenty about what's going wrong, but kindness is happening every day too, and we're going to keep talking about it. Mogja saw a need, step forward, and did it. And to me, that's proof that good does overcome evil, Dr. P. And we have some more good news, Dr. Paul. Here's some good news I never expected to hear. The advice we grew up for sprain or strain may not be the whole story. You know the drill. You hurt yourself, get rest, ice, compression, elevation, but recovery isn't always about keeping an injury completely still until it feels perfect. I remember spraining my ankle, playing basketball, and all I had to do was wait for the next game and I could play again. Remember that?
SPEAKER_03
I remember that very well. That's uh that's the the benefit of being youth, being being young. Sometimes it might be a few minutes. But my most extreme was two days. The doctor said one time, you need to stay off for at least a couple weeks. I think I might have made it 48 hours and still here. But that's right, Commander Drew. You know, you need to protect an injury first, but the minor sprain or strain, a gradual return of gentle movement, when you can do it without worsening the pain can help you regain the function. So it's a change from the idea that you need to stay off of it totally as long as possible.
SPEAKER_05
Dr. Paul, we always heard about ice. What about ice? Have you been getting that wrong too?
SPEAKER_03
Well, that answer is more nuanced. Ice can ease the pain, and some medical guidance still recommends it early on. Researchers and clinicians are debating whether routinely trying to suppress inflammation helps the healing. So you don't hear throw out the ice bag. You hear there isn't just one rule for every injury.
SPEAKER_05
Medicine keeps changing and it's incredible. And you know what? No one should try to tough out a serious injury. If you can't put weight on it, the pain is severe, or the swelling's getting worse, go to a doctor, get some medical advice.
SPEAKER_03
Exactly. So the good news is that we keep learning how to take better care of ourselves. So pay attention. Exactly, Dr.
SPEAKER_05
Paul. Good information shared with a friend. That's a wingman move. Take care of each other out there, and we'll be right back. All right, everybody, it's our jet jolt time, and you know we love jet jolt because we are two badass Navy jet pilots. So here's your jet jolt. What if your next business trip moved at twice the speed of sound? China is building an experimental aircraft called the TMS-10 with an eventual goal of flying passengers at Mach II. That's a big promise. But first, it has to fly, Dr. Paul.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, the plan is for a small business class aircraft carrying about 10 to 15 passengers. And Commander Drew speeding isn't the only challenge. You know, with supersonic speeds, shockwaves can combine into a loud sonic boom.
SPEAKER_05
It sure can. I've heard it. So how do you go fast without making everybody on the ground think thunder just rolled in? Because it will break windows.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, this airplane, the TMS-10, uses that small forward wing called the Kenard and its tail, both, to help keep those shockwaves from stacking up into one louder boom. So the goal isn't to reduce the noise or not make it disappear, just to uh cut it down a lot.
SPEAKER_05
And guess what? If it works, the article suggests a Beijing to Shanghai flight that takes about two hours today could actually take somebody just about 30 minutes. Now that would put some zip in a travel day, Dr. P.
SPEAKER_03
But it's still early. A small-scale model is flown to low speed while the full-size demonstrator is being assembled for a test flight planned by the end of the year. Engineers still have to prove that the aircraft and the systems can deliver. And you know, Commander Drew, they're doing the same thing over here in the U.S. with a company called uh Overture.
SPEAKER_05
Wow, that's cool. So don't pack your bags for a Mach 2 getaway just yet. It's a bold idea with a big test ahead, and we'll be watching. Dr. Paul, have you ever heard a Sonic Boom?
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, I'd heard a few. I heard a few growing up, didn't know what they were at the age of uh five and six. But uh I lived in Queens and not too far from really where Long Island begins, and there's a uh company called Grummin, very famous, it's uh Northrop Grummin now, and they would test airplanes uh off the uh off Long Island Sound, and they would break the sound barrier every once in a while, not too many times, and it would rattle everything. And uh I thought it was great. Again, adults were very, very upset.
SPEAKER_05
Wow, that's amazing. And the Grumman, you know, it made the A6 intruders, so I know a lot about Grumman. When I heard a sonic boom, it was on the USS Nimitz, and they were doing an air show for us out at sea. So there was no land around, there was really no people anywhere close. And this Tomcat came by so fast that it was silent. It looked like a cartoon, Dr. Paul. And about three or four seconds later, boom, it rattled the whole ship. It was an incredible, incredible noise. Well, you can check out our jets, everybody behind us. Dr. Paul has his A7 Corsair, well, not his, thank God, but going into a crash uh net. Why don't you talk about that a little bit, Dr. Paul?
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, it's called a barricade. Uh I'd never actually seen a barricade. I think we had an A621 one night, I'd heard I wasn't flying. But a barricade is used when uh conventional landing is not going to work. Maybe the tailhook doesn't work or there's a problem on the on the deck of the ship. But it's an unusual uh procedure. Most people have never had to do it, but it's uh it's a backup emergency just in case uh you can't get aboard uh the normal way.
SPEAKER_05
Yes, and I know very personally about this, because one night we were out there and I was the last night tanker. That means I was the last airplane up there to give anybody gas. And I had to give this nugget, meaning a new pilot, an A3 pilot at night. I had to give him all my gas and come down and land because he kept coming aboard, but always would go low inside, real close, and then give it too much power and then jump over all the wires. Here's the one thing about the barricade most people don't know. You have to fly a perfect pass to actually use that barricade. And I'm sorry to say this one did not end good because he did not fly a perfect pass, and that airplane winded up in the drink or in the ocean. Look at my jets. I got an A6 and an A7 behind me, and that's all AI. So when you see fire coming out of the tail, it's we didn't have afterburners. Thank you, everybody out there. Thank you so much for listening to us on Apple Podcasts, watching us on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram. Thank you so much for your letters. Thank you so much for your subscriptions. It really helps us out a lot. We have a website, and our website is wingmanshow.com. That's w-i-n-g-m-e-n show.com. And on that website, we have a couple of things, and one of them is a newsletter. And this week's newsletter, how to start a new life in a new location. And also on that website, we have our famous frequent flow line. And that's where you guys can write Dr. Paul, Ace, and myself any letter that you'd like. And if we have time, we'll try to put it on the air. And we'll be right back. All right, everybody, it's time for our frequent flow line, but check this out. We have a wingman named ASAP. He's just an AI chat box. He's not human at all. And also, you need to know in AI, not everything is 100% correct, but I will tell all of you out there, it is a must to use and know it will change your life. So here's our frequent flow line letter. Dear Commander Drew, Dr. Paul and Ace, your AI chat box. I'm a 57-year-old former Navy man living in Indiana. After serving my country, all I really want these days is a little peace and harmony at home. But I'm having trouble with a neighbor, and what should be a quiet place to be charged has become a source of real stress.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, he goes on to say, I don't want to trade insults, hold a grudge, or start World War III over a property line. I'd rather find a way to talk things through and get back to being good neighbors. How do I stand up for myself without making the situation worse?
SPEAKER_05
And I also want you both, NA's, to know how much I enjoy your show. I'm impressed by the positive message you put out there. You remind us that good can overcome evil, and the way you treat people is proof that kindness still matters. So, wingman, what's your advice for an old sailor who wants calm seas right here at home? We love your podcast sincerely, a fellow wingman in Indiana. What do you think about that, Ace?
SPEAKER_02
Commander, I love this. First of all, it puts the loot to him. Service like that is a lifetime imprint. Wanting peace at home isn't just reasonable if it's necessary. And the fact that he doesn't want to blow things up, that's strength, not weakness.
SPEAKER_05
Thanks so much, Ace. It was a great answer. And to our fellow Navy men in Indiana, first, thank you for your service and for those kind words about our show. You've already made an important choice. You want peace, not a fight. And that gives you a really good place to start. What about you, Dr. Paul?
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, I'd tell our gentleman from Indiana to pick a calm moment to speak with your neighbor rather than trying to settle things when either of you is really upset. So be specific about what's bothering you, but leave room to hear their side. You don't have to agree on everything to find one practical change that makes life better for both of you.
SPEAKER_05
And if that conversation doesn't work, don't turn it into a contest of who can shout louder. Keep your cool. Make note of what's happening and consider asking a neutral person to help you work it out.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, wanting harmony doesn't mean you have to accept behavior that troubles you. If it means you can set boundaries without losing kindness that matters to you.
SPEAKER_05
You know this from your Navy days. Steady hands can get a crew through rough water. We hope you and your neighbor find a way forward. And thank you for reminding us what this show is about. Good people looking out for one another. And we'll be right back.
SPEAKER_01
This is a Wingman PSA. In the sky, your partner has your back. Now let's get to it. Climbing in now, System Screen.
SPEAKER_05
All right, the 11 facts in life. This is a Wingman PSA. And from the 11 facts in life, under fact number two, live your life to the fullest. The goal is a long, healthy, and happy life. Once again, live your life to the fullest. The goal is a long, healthy and happy life. Dr. Paul, that says it all. You know, it's about being happy in your life. And it's also about being healthy and actually trying to be happy for a long time. What do you think, Paul?
SPEAKER_03
Long, healthy, and happy. That's a good three uh section break. It's the middle one that's really important. That's what you have probably the most control over, is the healthy part. So be good to yourself. Watch what you eat, don't go crazy, and uh have a good time, but do things in moderation. And we'll be right back.
SPEAKER_05
All right, everybody, it's time for the gouge. And you know what the gouge is. The gouge is shit you need to know, but sometimes nobody tells you. We learned that in the Navy. So I'm gonna go to Ace or ChatGPT and I'm gonna ask them this question. Ace, you're at the airport when your flight is delayed, and the line at the gate is getting longer by the second. What should you do right away to give yourself the best shot at getting where you're going, and what mistakes should you avoid?
SPEAKER_01
Get on the airline app immediately and see if you can rebook yourself, waiting too passively, right? Don't assume the gate agent will fix everything for you. And don't check the bag unless you absolutely have to, because that slows down your rebooking options. Be polite.
SPEAKER_05
Thanks very much for the Galc Ace. Let's break out, and we'll be right back. All right, everybody, welcome back to the Wingman Show. It is now time for our Wingman story, and we love to give Wingman stories because we love to highlight people taking care of other people. You see, Navy families learn to pack up their lives and start over. But when a 12-year-old Jeremy's family moved to Naples, Italy, he couldn't fit the thing he missed most into a moving box, and that was his friends back home.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, at school, the words flew past him. In the neighborhood, he didn't know how to join in. So Jeremy spent his afternoons at the window, close enough to hear other kids laughing and feeling a world away himself.
SPEAKER_05
So a boy who lived nearby noticed that. His name was Mario. One afternoon, Mario walked over with a soccer ball tucked under his arm. He didn't have perfect English sentence ready. He just pointed towards the courtyard, smiled, and waited.
SPEAKER_03
So Jeremy followed him. When he missed a kick, Mario missed one on purpose, too. And they both laughed. Then Mario pointed to the ball and said, Paula, he said. Jeremy tried the word. Mario grinned like Jeremy had scored the winning goal.
SPEAKER_05
And after that, Mario kept showing up. He taught Jeremy words for little things they saw as they used to walk around the neighborhood. And when Jeremy got one wrong, Mario never made him feel small. He simply said it again and stayed beside him.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah. Weeks later, Jeremy called an old friend back home. Said, I still miss you, he said. Then he turned his phone to his friend who could see Mario waving beside him, then said, But I think I'm going to be okay.
SPEAKER_05
Mario couldn't give Jeremy his old life back. He gave him something he needed just as much: a friend in the new one. Sometimes a wingman doesn't know your language. He just sees you standing alone and makes room for you. And everybody, thank you so much for watching our show and listening to our show. And anybody out there who can hear my voice, whatever you think is important, whatever you think is beautiful, and most importantly, whatever makes you happy, may you have that today and forever. I pray for peace.
SPEAKER_03
I pray for peace too, Commander Drew. It's good to see you again. And we appreciate all those who listen, like, and share our message. Send this to someone else today. Or when you hear this, that really needs to hear something positive. Most of you are not subscribers, please become a subscriber. It helps the algorithm. And if you're watching this on YouTube, or particularly uh Apple Podcasts, you can actually see us on video also. You have that option. So, in any case, we look forward to talking to you again real soon.
SPEAKER_04
Thank you once again, Dr. Paul Thompson, my friend. Thank you for your love, your time. And that's something that we won't ever get back. I want to thank all the listeners too. Thank you so much for doing the show, Dr. Paul with Jamon.
SPEAKER_03
Well, thank you, Mr. Drew, for inviting me on. Always good to talk to you. And, ladies and gentlemen, please remember to like, share, and subscribe to this podcast or anything the podcast. If you're looking at YouTube, uh, they say smash the like button. Don't smash it, just press it gently and refer to use as a link to all your friends. You can also look at us on our website, wingmenshow.com, w-i-n-g-m-en-show, s-h-o-w.com, all together, wingminshow.com. And we hope to see you in the future. Thanks again, Mr. Drew.
SPEAKER_04
Oh, you're welcome. And we're still floating like butterflies and stinging like bees. Rumble, you badass jet pilots, rumble. May there be peace on earth and goodwill towards all men and women.
