The Application Security Podcast
The Application Security Podcast is a practitioner-led show for anyone building or securing modern software—and now AI-powered applications. Hosts Chris Romeo and Robert Hurlbut talk with the people shaping application security about AI and LLM security, threat modeling, secure development, OWASP, cloud, DevSecOps, security champions, and building programs that help engineering teams move faster and safer. With more than 300 episodes, the show turns real-world experience into practical guidance for developers, architects, AppSec professionals, and security leaders.
The Application Security Podcast
Rob van der Veer -- OWASP AI Security & Privacy Guide
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Rob van der Veer has a 30-year background in software engineering, building AI businesses, creating software, and assessing software. He is a senior director at the Software Improvement Group, where he established practices for AI, security, and privacy. Rob is involved in several standardization initiatives like OWASP SAMM, ENISA, CIP, and AI security & privacy guide. He leads the writing group for the new ISO standard on AI engineering: 5338. Rob co-leads the OWASP integration project, with openCRE. org as a key result, aiming to create alignment in the standards landscape. Rob joins us to introduce the OWASP AI Security and Privacy Guide. We hope you enjoy this conversation with...
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Rob van der Veer has a 30-year background in software engineering, building AI businesses, creating software, and assessing software.
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→ OWASP AI Security and Privacy Guide
→ openCRE.org
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→ OWASP AI Security and Privacy Guide
→ openCRE.org
→ ChatGPT
→ Tay (Microsoft chatbot)
→ Gary McGraw
→ OWASP SAMM
→ ENISA
→ OWASP Project Spotlight Series
→ GitHub Copilot
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00:00 Meet Rob van der Veer: OWASP AI Security & Privacy Guide
01:32 Hey folks, welcome to another episode of the Application Security Podcast
06:56 Yeah, no, it's helpful to understand because you're coming to the
09:22 We're thinking about, you know, in your experience and observations on
12:50 I've heard somebody say, I've heard people say, like, at a
15:19 You know, excuse my naivety here, but from when we're talking
16:48 That's helpful. So, I had another question. As you were talking
25:30 Looking back at the guide, the scope of the guide, how
32:20 Yeah, especially when you're thinking, you know, you mentioned earlier that
35:05 Thinking about organizations who are looking to build an AI system
38:59 Yeah, excellent. So, I certainly learned a lot through this short
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