Mindfully Influential with Akilah Hughes

Episode Summary

This week we sit down with Akilah Hughes! A published author, comedian, YouTuber, podcaster and an actress just to name a few of her hats. We talk through going from passion to purpose, navigating winding career pivots, and how to stay grounded during this “peak internet” information age.

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Transcript

Amber Burns 0:03  
Podcast brought to you by read ma media. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of thank you for asking. I know I say this every week and I have said this every week. And we'll probably keep saying this every week. But I am so excited for you all to hear this episode and to hear this conversation. The pandemic has changed so much for so many of us in almost every aspect of our lives. But I think the one thing that we can all kind of agree on and evolve in thinking about heart is, what does the future of our careers look like in a world that has kind of been flipped on its head in terms of the workforce. So we all know that the great resignation was a thing when we saw millions of people quit their jobs in search of better work higher paying work, or just to pursue a different passion. And I think now the pandemic has put us all in a position where we are questioning what we actually want to do with our lives. If we want to try and work in those career pivots before we feel like it's quote unquote, too late, or coming to terms with the fact that it's never actually too late to pivot. And we can decide to change or do what we want, anytime we want. I also think as a content creator, this time in the world has really changed what that looks like and what that means for someone who produces content online. I launched a podcast and the pandemic, we've seen tic tock explode reels are now a thing we're all creating differently. But I think it's really put into perspective, the kind of content that we should be creating the purpose behind the content that we're creating. So it's just a really interesting time to be an adult trying to produce things that sustain your passion, but also just in your life and earning money. When I think of someone who has successfully navigated career pivots, and continue to create content that has not only purpose but also incredibly entertaining and informative. I always think of our guests. So today, I'm super excited to be chatting with Akilah Hughes Akilah is an a writer, a comedian, a YouTuber, a podcaster, and actress, you may know her from her YouTube channel. It's Akil, obviously, I think that's how I first found her, or from her recent book, or her stint hosting the one a day podcast on crooked media. Kayla is just an overall like amazing talent, amazing person, and has navigated being the only black woman in the room so many times throughout her career in entertainment and content creation. In this conversation, we really just dig into what it is like to one be the only black girl in the room sometimes in these areas where you're trying to break through, but also, how do you go from having all these ideas and passions and persisting and staying consistent enough to actually turn them into a successful career. So without further ado, here is my conversation with Akilah. Hello, Akilah thanks so much for joining me on the podcast. I'm super excited to have this conversation with you and just chat and really get to know you better, and hear more about some of the things you have going on. But for those who may not be familiar with you, would you mind just giving us a quick intro to who you are and a little bit about what you do?

Akilah Hughes 3:23  
For sure. So I am a writer and comedian. I currently live in LA. I wrote a book called obviously stories from my timeline. I used to be on YouTube for ever. And I most recently just left the what today podcast at crooked media. It was a daily news podcast about all of the horrible things on the planet. Founding founding host of that and yeah, I if you if you are on Twitter, you have probably seen some of my tags because that's what I that's what I spent a lot of time.

Amber Burns 3:57  
And honestly, if people aren't following you both on Twitter and Instagram, they're missing out one on the Hot takes and two on the puppy Fauci content, because that's really what I personally signed up for. Is to

Akilah Hughes 4:08  
my dog's name is Dogtor Fauci and he is unbelievably cute. You might think he's like all over the backyard right now.

Amber Burns/ Akilah Hughes 4:16  
hope he gets excited to make an appearance for sure. So I want to talk a little bit about like your story, like the how you got here, because obviously a lot of people I think, know you from YouTube from some of those early days of content, you share a lot about it in your book, but can you kind of take us through like the abridged version of the viral YouTube video to writer author podcaster pipeline?

Akilah Hughes 4:40  
For sure. So I would just start with the fact that like, none of these careers existed when I was growing up so like, you know, I whatever comes next you know, perhaps what I say here will be antiquated episode comes out, but um, yeah, so I was living in New York. I've been making YouTube videos for years like I start During college before anyone was making money doing it, I just thought it was a great, fun thing to do. And I wanted to have a portfolio of just me being able to like, edit, and be funny, and all of these sorts of things. And so 2013, I've made a video that went viral pretty much immediately called Meet your first black girlfriend. It's basically a guide for anyone who is not black, or maybe a black person, he's never had to just, you know, learn about ways to not offend that girlfriend and also ways to make her feel included in your life. So also very silly and ridiculous. Yeah, critical, important. You know, I can think the content and also just the SEO like, great terms,

Amber Burns 5:44  
that is literally the most searchable thing, because I'm sure that there was someone like, I have no idea what to do with this woman. Person. Yeah. What am I gonna do? How do I how do I integrate them into my non colored life? Like? Yes. Is there virality

Akilah Hughes 5:59  
wrote? Yeah, and that's true. I mean, like, I really do feel that way. Especially in that time, like I was using Tumblr, it actually went viral on Tumblr before it went viral, like anywhere else online. Yeah. Because it's like, oh, yeah, you know, you just put the title and it goes, now, I don't really know how people make it happen. Anything on the internet, there's so much stuff. Yeah, it's like peak internet right now. And so, you know, I had that video come out. And then the next week, I had been done, like, so these two videos were in succession about the same person. And the video to that was called Christmas cookies for singles. And I was like, very bitter, making Christmas cookies, making some insults about this person. And, you know, basically, from there. So at that point, I was working in a social media agency. That was my day job. And then at night, I was taking UCB classes, improv classes in New York, and also making these YouTube videos. And so a couple of months later, I got, I got an invitation from MTV to help them punch up some scripts for their web series. And it was really fun. And basically, a week later, they're like, hey, actually, we want to hire you to make some web series for us. And so it kind of went from there. I guess the the cliffnotes version of this is I went there, I made web series with them. Fusion rip had was just beginning. And they had a really great idea for like pop culture videos, and they wanted someone to just sort of run that. So I was like, yeah, let me go run some stuff. So I went to fusion and did that. Then I got the book deal. So it was like, I actually want to focus on writing. And then I got sick, which was not great. Also talk about that in the book. But it gave me some perspective. It gave me some space. And I did the Sundance Labs. So I was trying to do more like scripted television work. And then, really how I got to podcasting. I made a series on YouTube called, this shouldn't be news. And so basically, every episode was one to three minutes about a story from that week, that I thought the media was doing a crappy job of covering which you know, isn't hard to find the author doing a bad job of covering the news and doing a disservice to the public. And so, you know, I did maybe six to eight videos like that, and crooked media found it. They found them, they liked them. And so I was in the midst of hosting a food show, there's so many things you can do. Hosting a Food TV show. And Tanya, who sort of runs everything at crooked was cold, emailed me and was like, I'm in New York, I'd love to meet with you talking about you know, just contributing to the podcast, being a person who can be on regularly and just, you know, give their point of view. And I was super down, I immediately flew to LA to do love it or leave it. And then it just kind of picked up from there like John Lovett and I fell in love the moment we met. Like, went on tour, you know, and so, yeah, the even shorter clip notes as we did the tour, they had an HBO series called pod save America, right? On the podcast, I did interstitial content for every episode, teaching people how to vote, how to canvass how to register to vote the day of all those sorts of things. And then I was preparing for my book to be released and came out to LA to help them with a push for 2020. And they were like, Would you like to host the daily news podcast? And of course, I said, Yes. I learned how I got there. But all of that time, I was just doing other people's podcasts. Alright, well, I guess I'll do Maya. It's funny.

Amber Burns 9:31  
So when I was when I read the book, and also just like hearing you retell the story, like even in the the quick, abridged version of it, it's really just like, I knew that I had these interests, like kept showing my work until people gave me more work to do even when that work wasn't paid. So, you know, I don't really I know that it can be really disheartening now that the internet is so big to be like, Oh, but I have these things I want to do and like is anyone even going to see this is ever going to become anything? What kept pushing you to just put

Akilah Hughes 10:00  
stuff out there. I think, you know, I think about this a lot, actually. Because it is something that I think separates people who will make it from people who won't. Yeah. And the reality is I saw the potential of the platforms that I was using and the ability to tell stories at a time before it was democratized. Like, yeah, it just wasn't a thing where they I mean, the truth is like, you know, when I look back, it's like, oh, yeah, you made those YouTube videos, and you got something else. But the whole time I had this chip on my shoulder because it was always devalued in comparison to television, or, you know, like the way that podcast I mean, it's funny, podcasting kind of just like, took a crap all over radio. Pretty much in every other field. It's like, if it's not backed by some huge studio, if it doesn't have a ton of money behind it, people think it's not as valuable. Yeah. And so I had this like, ruthless determination to prove to people like I can make work just as good. You're not even paying me. So imagine what it would look like if you did. Yeah. I also think, you know, I didn't come from I'm from Kentucky, there's no images. I love the way that you talk about being from Kentucky. Yeah, like your blessing and your burden. 1,000%. And like, you know, the last time they had an entertainment industry was like, probably the 19 like, 1910, when they were like, doing country music, you know, like vaudeville crap. And so like, I just never had any connections, I knew that it was not going to happen for me and some local sense, like, I was like, the internet is the great equalizer. And, you know, if your friend is out there listening to this, you probably recognize the fact that like, if you were online before 2012, people were like, What are you doing? Like, what's this nice garbage you're doing? Like, I had people making fun of me like my friends even. But I would be like, I'm gonna make a YouTube video like, but who's gonna see it? What's the point? And I'm like, Oh, you don't even know you don't even know. Like, this is next. Yeah. And I think that, like, you have to trust your instincts. And you have to know that, like, you just have to kind of be aware of what you're able to do and be able to adapt. And I think that like, I just got very lucky, in a sense that my instincts were correct. And all these media companies had no clue how to use the internet. Like they were just, you know, like, that was back in the era of writing all of these, like Millennials are now in the workforce, and they want to take a break. How dare they? Like, these are people who know how to run like a Twitter account. So do you have that? Yeah. Like if the if the money is behind you technologically, then you can always make money.

Amber Burns 12:30  
That's a really good perspective. I'm wondering what what's your insight now that like, the apps are all having their own version of an identity crisis, like they have trend forecasted so hard that they've like out forecasted? themselves? They don't know. They're just like, a video? 6x? I don't know, dance, do this guy. I don't know. I don't know. So from now, like, what potential Do you still see, even when the X I think are a little bit uncertain of their own potential?

Akilah Hughes 12:57  
Well, you know, this is such a great question. I think about, you know, 2020, and the sort of the way the internet shifted after George Floyd was murdered. And I think about how influencers as they exist, really didn't have influence. Yeah, really didn't know how to talk about serious issues really didn't know how to stop their content pipeline. There were they were lost. And I think that like, so from the Creator perspective, I think that people are now more aware of the fact that they have to offer a service. Like being pretty as great Being pretty is not enough. You know, like, being funny is great, being funny is not enough. Like, if you're not enriching people's lives, and you're not teaching people something, if there's no value in what you're producing, then people aren't going to stick around. And so from the platform side, they have to figure out how to incentivize people to do that kind of work. Because they never have like, it was always like, well, the value of this is how many people see it. The value of this is how many likes it gets, and how many shares and whatever else, and typically, you know, they have like a playbook if you become like a big enough influencer and be like, You should do this. And that'll help for the algorithm, whatever. And now, they're aware of the fact that like, oh, text based photos do better on Instagram, but like tweets,

Amber Burns 14:12  
do better. outperforming Instagram photos on Instagram, make it make sense.

Akilah Hughes 14:17  
Yes. And then you know, you have tick tock come out of nowhere. I mean, not really out of nowhere. It's like out of the the ashes of vine. I know like it's funny, too, because for the longest time, I mean, I guess for a couple of years. I one of my favorite questions to ask you were like, what's your favorite bond? Like, even if it's dead? Like what was your favorite bond back then? And then you just have fun and now it's like, well, Tik Tok kind of vibe, but

Amber Burns 14:41  
like, you know, it's kind of faster. But my favorite part about Vine though, was that I was always the one that was late to the vine. Because of that I had a better experience and everyone because when those vine compilations would come out, and this would be like, tweet threads that were like 75 tweets deep of like vines you never seen and I was like, We'd be up until three o'clock in the morning laughing in the way that tick tock, I'm like, it refreshes so fast. If I don't have this now, I'm not going to laugh at this six weeks later.

Akilah Hughes 15:07  
That's exactly right. And like, it's, it's like you were saying, like, it's sort of just so much content, there's so much to take in now that it's like, I'm sure there's great stuff I'll never see. It's like, just buried, like my algorithm doesn't get, it doesn't get that I would be interested. And I think too, though, like, there are too many platforms like so you know, in the bigger picture version of all of this, I kind of think in like the next 10 to 20 years, social media is going to become a lot less important. And like, it's going to have to become a tool rather than, you know, just a place to waste time. I think that like we're just at a place like, you know, the world has come back in a sense, but the pandemic is still going on. So I think that like, what has become really clear to me is that, like, in this weird intermediate, Intermediate Period, in this weird intermediate period, it seems like we're trapped, like, businesses haven't pivoted enough. Yeah, things are still kind of like the same problems we had before the same worldwide issues, the same on address inequality, all of these things. And I think the closer we get to what was before, the further we will get from what was before, like, I think that like, we're just, we're only scratching the surface of how much of a world changing event this has been. And I do think that like social media, and like, bragging about what you have, and all of that shit is just like, it feels almost like a parody of itself at this point. So what's next, I think is like more people just going outside. Yeah,

Amber Burns 16:37  
I definitely see that. Honestly, in addition to what you said about now, influencers realizing you have to have like something, you have to have a service, I think people are also now realizing like the platform is not the thing, like Instagram used to be the thing, but now it's 100% the product, like what is the actual content, it almost doesn't matter where you post it anymore, as long as the content has something. And I think that along that trajectory, we're gonna see content matter more than platforms. 100%. And that means that people are gonna, like, read again, like, actually, your articles, not headlines like, right doesn't have to be condensed to 280 characters, maybe

Akilah Hughes 17:16  
you'll like dig into the middle of where all the context is and the nuance. Right, right. I mean, I think that you're right. I think all of that is just where we're headed, you know, specifically about the platform not mattering as much, I think across the board, like, you know, from the online like, creator place, but also from the like, streaming app plays. Yeah, that's already so clear. You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I couldn't tell you the network. Most of the shows that I've seen lately, I'm like, I don't know where it came from. I just know, I saw it on like Hulu or I saw it on like, HBO Max, like, it could have been anywhere before that, like who's to say? And so it is like a really interesting thing. I think the decentralization of everything. Yeah, is becoming the norm. And I think people are going to just like, find what they like to watch what they like to engage with. And so like, I mean, I saw this really great YouTube video, and I can find a link off into TC and posted in the show notes. But um, it was about basically like this being the final generation of nostalgia, because there's so much there's so much disparate stuff he can be interested in. There are so few, like major group events, like 2020 is like, probably, you know, the last big thing. But you know, I guess like, global warming and like pandemic stuff will be for the rest of our lives, cataclysmic end of the world events will unify us all forever. Exactly. That will be the necessity, like remember, we got to stay home now. That'd be on the run. Now we're wondering, so we're wayward, I missed being in the air conditioning. And, you know, so like, there's that unifying thing. But Game of Thrones kind of was like the end of like, I mean, you know, Murphy's town kind of had its moment, but I think that there's just like, there will be fewer and fewer of those sorts of shows and those sorts of influences and those sorts of web series and those sorts of podcasts. Like I think that it's just, there's so much you can be interested in. It's hard to have, like, a unifying piece of entertainment. Yeah, like, pop culture, like what does that even going to look like in 20 years? Well, I mean, honestly, what does it look like now? Like, when I go on Twitter, I'm like, I don't know what this is. Like. The topics are a godsend because I'm like, let me just like look through some tweets. Have you got what anyone? Okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay, right. Exactly. I'm like, oh, that person's not dead. They just, they did something embarrassing, okay. I am like, I don't know who that person is. But I guess they were in some movie some Marvel movie, one of the the worst rated TV shows like, it's always like a third degree of whatever it is. I'm like, I got nothing, man.

Amber Burns 19:53  
It's hilarious. Yeah, and like thinking of ways that 2020 has really changed the culture like Thinking about the way that we work the way that we worked before the way that we work. Now, I think a lot of us are trying to, like pretend like we've made major changes to the way that we work in this country, and we have changed nothing. So I would love to hear about what work looks like for you right now, especially now that you're not doing a daily podcast that releases every single day at 6am. I have no idea how you did that. Work really look like and have you made any changes after the

Akilah Hughes 20:25  
last year? Oh, totally. I mean, the biggest change was leaving that job. And it was like, it was a decision that was not made lightly. And it was a decision that was like, you know, I think a result of the 2020 that we had, it was really just clear to me that like, Look, if work is how I'm spending most of my time, then it cannot be devastating all the time. Yeah. And like, so the news out of follow, it's been pretty bad. I've noticed, I've noticed, you know, in that, in that vein, it was sort of like, you know, there was, there was so much potential for 2020 to be really great for cooking media. And I think, you know, obviously, it was fine. But like, they had planned for tours, video series, interviews, you know, going to all of the like a political events throughout the year, there was just going to be so much potential there. And when that wasn't realized, but the job still had to be done. It was exhausting. And so I think like the first thing I'll say is like, I knew that that was not the place I was going to, like, make my career forever. And I also knew that like, look, we don't know how much longer we have you watched Bo Burnham special, like we got maybe seven years. But like climate change, like I'm not going to be just telling people the bad news, I'm going to go and try to like, formulate, and so work for me now. I mean, the first month I've been off, what a day for about six weeks now, almost. And the first month like all of August, was like a relearning a different kind of creativity that I used to have of like, when you work for yourself. You know, you might not work standard traditional hours, but you will work really hard in those hours. Yes. So if you have inspiration, you will drop what you're doing to go make. And you have like, you know, the space to intake, inspiration. And like see thing like see movies that you've never seen? I mean, literally my 2020 was spent watching all of the same things over and over again, the things that I knew I loved, because it was like, every day at work is a crapshoot. We don't know what's gonna happen like the president. The president could be the president again. We I was just like, I need comfort, like the day ends. We're watching Gentlemen Prefer Blondes for the 5,000th time. Yeah. And so now it's like, I feel like I get to enjoy some of the new stuff that's coming out. I also like, thank you. I mean, it has been game changing. But it also has meant like writing for fun not writing because you're angry and Twitter's available. And it's spending my time online so much more consciously. I mean, like I had to be online for the news to break, I had to know what was happening. And so it's like, I think I was just even though I was online was so difficult, because it was like I was always angry. You know what I mean? Like to be completely frank, it's like, when I look back at the tweets, I could delete all of my 2020 tweets, because I'm like, I'm sure they were just like, the baseline for me saying anything I was saying was like, fuck you.

Amber Burns 23:26  
I hate it here. I'm mad. The world is calling Twitter and 2020 is just everyone's collective rage tweets, followed by everyone's collective, like fear tweets, from being outraged at what was happening to like, okay, it's happening, like, what am I gonna do? How do I stay safe? In every room, like, there was no way that you could be on the internet and not be in a constant state of like panic, because you're taking everything in. And also you like have so much that you want to put out and that's available channel to always put out your feelings.

Akilah Hughes 23:56  
Exactly. And so like I've even been just, I think more mindful of like, the time I've been there. And also like, part of my job was having to have an opinion about what was happening all the time. And I would love to give your audience and you the permission to tell yourself, I actually don't have to care about this. If I don't care about this. I like or if it's a huge issue that you do care about. You don't have to be the one to say it. It's not your job to have a take. You don't have to expend yourself in that way all the time. And that has been I mean, gosh, like I wasn't even online on 911. This year, I wasn't I'm like it's a 20 year anniversary. And I don't have the space to like, deal with everyone's feelings about it. Everyone's ownership of it. Everyone being mad at whoever felt a certain way. Like, that's not what life is supposed to be like we set too many opinions. Right? And it's also we didn't evolve to have this many opinions thrown at us like typically, you know, if the world had just continued the way it was going for like the hundreds of 1000s of millions of years. It Just be like, these are the people who live around me, we are similar, we have pretty much the same ideas about stuff. And we like farmer coconuts like it would have been Moana it would have been.

Amber Burns 25:11  
That was like the best trajectory to Moana that ever heard.

Akilah Hughes 25:16  
Unfortunately, you know, didn't work out, people showed up started stealing coconuts now or just yelling at each other.

Amber Burns 25:23  
Have you considered a career in education? Because it's a great teaching of

Akilah Hughes 25:27  
mine. And maybe I'll do like a semester somewhere, and they will not invite me back. But you're right, my professor would be like through the roof. Yeah. You can literally go on it at five times. And I think I wrote a paper. Yeah, I guess, you know, like, the kids would love it. They'd be very upset when I didn't get tenure. But so I guess the long winded sort of windy way of answering your question work for me right now is, is great. And it's a lot of writing, there's a project that I'm working on. That is like, you know, I never want to say the work that I'm doing is like, this gonna be like the work that makes me that defines, like who I am. It's a legacy making thing. But I think it's the most important work I have done so far. Yeah. And it will be something that will be seen on television, hopefully, weekly, for a very long time. And I think it will, maybe its aim is to solve the ills of what the media has done to us. So I feel really excited about that. It's like my brain gets to be in a different mode. It's like, I don't have to dissect the news and talk about what republican or democrat did something today that pissed me off. I actually get to talk about the way the media talks about it in the way the media has misled us, or has fallen into the trap of elevating misinformation because they decided they needed ratings. You know, I'm at a place where in my work, I have solvable problem that I get to address which is rare. Very great. I am still working from home. I love working from home, I think it'd be nice to collaborate in person in like a writers room. And so you know, that's kind of what's next. But pandemic, who

Amber Burns 27:13  
knows. Exactly my favorite tick tock. That's one thing that I hope never changes our collective like tick tock audio libraries that live in our heads.

Akilah Hughes and Amber Burns  27:26  
Yeah, exactly. Like when you said, I heard the chip bite, radically automatic. So ridiculous. I love that. Yeah, I think that, uh, you know, it's, it's hard to say, but I think that I am very aware of where I want to live, like LA is not really for me. Unfortunately, I think I'll be here for a little bit longer. Because it's really hard to move across the country. In a pandemic, I don't know people around the corner, honestly. Right. I mean, I have to do that in the next like, month. And I'm like, I don't really know. I think I just burned my things in hopes that the Yeah, like, I'm not sure how am I gonna move it? But yeah, I'm definitely just trying to like, be mindful of even the people I work with their time, their priorities, like that's the thing that just never had to be on my radar. It was, you know, well, this is the time we're all working. And it's like, Well, if that's not good for somebody who's raising kids, and teaching them from home, then like, let's shift, let's be flexible. Let's help other people while we're helping ourselves. And I think I think that that will hopefully shine through the work that I'm doing. But I also hope that that's the trajectory of work in this country in general. I hope so. What about like work tools? Are you like a digital tools person? Are you a pen and paper person? Both? I'm obsessed, so no level of detail is too much. A wonderful, well, both. But way more heavily into physical paper pin, writing ideas down? I think you know what it is I told my therapist this so you get the fun inside track. I think that because my job was on the computer, like physically typing all day. I have this like, it's like, Wouldn't even it's not to the level of like PTSD, but it's like a visceral reaction. Yes, yeah. Having to be on the computer. I'm like, Oh, this is work. It's not fun, like my phones useful and my computer is no longer fun. They ruin that for me. And like also, I think like the idea of opening a new document feels so daunting, or is turning a page and writing something down doesn't. And so I

Akilah Hughes 29:36  
think we may be the same person. You do host a podcast. So I actually had a very similar conversation with my therapist about this. And have you heard of this like concept that like, you know, obviously terrible things that we do to ourselves came out during the pandemic of like, revenge, revenge, procrastination, where you stay up later, just because like you've been doing things all day. I feel like this is like revenge computer use. You're like I've been on this Have you there for so much? Like, I don't care if I'm literally writing a 10,000 word document, I want to write it by hand. Yes,