Episode 61 - WORLD CUP FINAL IS OFFICIALLY SET!!! IT WAS THE FINALISSIMA ALL ALONG

The World Cup Final is officially set between Spain and Argentina this Sunday in New Jersey (not New York). It's a great time to be a Barcelona fan and a terrible time to be a Madrid fan...

We talk about Messi's incredible performance to put the team on his back and guide them to a win when they were down in the 85th minute. 

Also, Wth was Tuchel doing with his subs/game management? 

We predict who is going to win the final. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Well, well, well, we have a wonderful episode lined up for you guys today because the final is officially set for the World Cup. And if you're a Barcelona fan, this is a final of your dreams because we cannot lose this World Cup because we just witnessed back-to-back phenomenal performances by Spain and by Argentina. And won none other than Lionel Messi as a 39-year-old carrying his team against England, one of their biggest rivalries in the history of the sport. And we see him put on that performance, carry the team on his back when they needed him the most, and come back from defeat in the 85th minute, going down one nail, come back to win two to one without needing to go to overtime. What a wonderful game that was. And Messi with two assists in this game, when they needed him the most, he showed up. And when he needed his teammates the most, they showed up for him. Phenomenal goal by Enzo Fernandez, phenomenal header by Lautaro El Toro Martinez. And ladies and gentlemen, we have one of the greatest World Cup finals that we're ever going to see. The European champions versus the Copa Medica champions, the finalissima that everybody wanted. We didn't need a finalissima. We just needed to wait to the World Cup final. And what are the haters going to say now? What will they say now? And to let you know what they're going to say, we have a resident hater, a Madridista, a Ronaldo fan, a Messi hater, an Argentina hater right here with us.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

Wandy, man, how are you feeling after today? Let's make it clear. I'm not an Argentina hater. I'm not a Messi hater. All right. I respect good football. Messi's obviously one of the best to ever do it. I respect that. Argentina, they've just broken my heart way too many times. What's the problem with that? I can be heartbroken. See, estoy sentido y qué. Ike, que. I don't care. I'm allowed to feel that way. You are, man. You're allowed to feel however you want to feel. Don't ever let nobody tell you that. Yeah, no. At these little trolls in the comment section. Saying, I don't know. What? They was eating your ass up in that comment section. Debate me, bro. Yeah, it's because you got all the algorithm with all these Argentinians, bro. You got the Argentine, the Argentinian jersey in every video now. All the Argentinians want to comment on our videos. Come at me. Come at me. Balos. Give me that wall. Give me that woe. Let's see.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

Well, you got the Portugal jersey now, on. Obviously, with Ronaldo still. Every day, all day. But how you feeling? How you feeling now?

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Because as a Madrid fan, this has to hurt. It is what it is. Yeah, whatever. It sucks. But it is what it is, man. It's football. Messi's gonna do messy things. I can't I can't lie. What he did was crazy, man. That guy was creating all over the place after like the 60th minute when Tuchel decided to park the bus for whatever reason. And Messi just took advantage of that. Which, I mean, yeah, you can park the bus. Let's talk about that for a second. Because yeah, you can park the bus. But if if you don't defend well, then what the hell is the point of parking the bus, bro?

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

You know, and you did that so early. And it's like if you park the bus, you're you're supposed to make sure nothing gets through to Pickford. Nothing. And Pickford was the one saving your ass, Tuco, until 75th minute. So Enzo Fernandez just scored that golaso, bro. That was a golaso, bro. Golaso. And then from there, I knew England didn't stand a chance. I thought it was gonna go to extra time, though. I thought so too. I thought it was gonna go to overtime, but Argentina didn't want that, man. They wanted to finish that off. They're tired. At the end, Messi just put in a beautiful ball with his right foot. Lautaro Martinez with a great header. And what's funny is nobody went to go celebrate with Lautaro. Everybody just went straight to Messi. Everyone just went straight to him. Nobody even looked at Lautaro.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Yeah, I know. I felt kind of bad for him. He like got involved in there afterwards. He like had to get into the colour.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

It almost feels like he didn't care. Like he went along with it. He's like, yeah, let's go, let's all just go to Messi. Yeah, exactly. See, that's the difference between Messi and Ronaldo. It's just their teammates. Their teammates, Messi's teammates, are always constantly looking for him. I didn't feel like Ronaldo's teammates were looking for him at all this World Cup at all.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

I think it's also I think it's also the fact that what Messi means to Argentinians is more than what Ronaldo means to Portuguese people, to people over Portugal. Like these players literally grew up idolizing Messi. I mean, there's that viral post of Enzo Fernandez back in 2016 that he wrote an open letter to Messi on his Facebook post after Messi retired from the Copa Medica final, and he was literally begging him to not retire. Now he's playing with him in World Cup, back-to-back finals with him, side to side. So I don't know how many of these players actually idolized Ronaldo growing up. I'm sure they did, but they sure as hell don't show it. They have a funny way of showing it. Whereas Messi in Argentina, he is a god amongst men. Ronaldo in Portugal is not the same.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

It's sad to see. It's sad to see. But I also can't deny what Messi has done. This World Cup is absolutely insane. I mean, last World Cup he he did well, of course, but I felt like it was more handed to him with the refs for sure. This time around, I feel like he's really earned it. He really has earned it. And I just gotta take my hat off to him, honestly, because he he's had a phenomenal World Cup. If they win the World Cup, he's obviously gonna win MVP. Shit, even if they lose, he still might win MVP. He might.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Because he might still, he's still in the race for golden boot, top scorer. And now he's up there with Michael Elise. I think he's one behind Elise with the most assists. Elise has five because he has four now.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Crazy, bro. Crazy that he's still at this level. We didn't know what to expect from him. I knew he was gonna do good, but not this. Not this. No, I didn't either.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

I didn't either. I coming into this World Cup, I I said, I don't know what to expect out of Messi. Obviously, he's still gonna perform well, but I don't know if we're gonna see the Messi that we saw four years ago in Qatar. And I like you said, I would argue that he's having a better tournament this time than he did four years ago. I would say. And it's crazy to see that after he turned 35, he's performing better in the World Cups than he did supposedly in his prime. Insane. He might go, dude, he might win his third golden ball at the World Cup. That's never been done before. He would break his own record of winning two. And then he's I mean, he's right there. Third final, the third final that they're going into, the la out of the last four. That's incredible achievement. We talked a lot about France and their dynasty. We got to talk about this dynasty with Argentina because France, they have a phenomenal team. They obviously have a dynasty, but they won the world, they won the World Cup in 2018, haven't won anything since. It came up short ever since. And it's been eight years now. Argentina have gone Coba America, World Cup, Coba Merica, and then now they're in the World Cup final yet again.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

I don't think anyone's ever done that. And it's crazy because I really think if Messi wasn't part of this squad, Argentina might have got grouped. He might have been left out in the group stage.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

I don't know if they would have been grouped, but I think they would have lost to like Kate Verde for sure. I think Messi. Yeah Messi Messi has 100% carried this team. And now his teammates are starting to show up for him a little bit more. The last couple of games with Enzo Fernandez, with Lautera Martinez, with Julian Álvarez, they're starting to show up for him more when he needs them because he's been quite literally carrying this team. And at 39, I mean what we saw today, bro, we saw Messi running all over the field. Literally, that grit and determination that he had, he still, you still can't get him off the ball. People are still having to foul him like two on one, having to completely shove him on the ground just to get the ball off his feet at 39. He's still going like that that assist that he put on for Lautaro. He beat Jess Spence to the ball. It's the 92nd minute of the game. He takes on two players on their wing and crosses it with his weak foot. Dude. And then Lautaro Lautaro perfectly positioned by him. I feel I'm I'm really happy for him because last World Cup, he had a tough World Cup. He had a lot of criticism. He's been struggling with the national team lately. He was the starter at the beginning of the World Cup. He lost his position again to Julian Alba. The same thing that happened in Qatar in 2022. He had a post-match interview and he said, I manifested this. I wanted this. I told my teammates right as I was coming on, I'm going to score the winning goal. And boy, he delivered. Good for him. Good for him.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Yeah, he's a phenomenal player. And they have two great strikers. I think when Messi leaves, it's they're going to play a double nine with Lautado and Julian up there, I think.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Yeah. That would make sense. Unless Nico Paz goes in there too. I don't know. It'll be between, yeah, just sticking Nico Pass right in there or playing a double nine with Lautaro and Julian. It's going to be one of the two.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Crazy, man. Crazy. Third World Cup final appearance for Messi. Back-to-back World Cup final appearances for them. Unprecedented. I I honestly did not think that Argentina was going to get this far whenever the tournament first started. And even before the tournament started.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

They weren't playing good at all. It was literally Messi carrying them all the way to what? Who? Like the rounds of the stuff. When did they actually start? Like when did another player start scoring goals? Like after the group stages? Yeah, it was after the group stage.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Yeah, against Cape Verde. Actually, no. In the group stage against Jordan, Lo Chenso was a good thing. So they had already qualified for first place. Messi was in the first half. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then they also, like both of those goals were set pieces. One was a penalty, the other one was a free kick. So from open play, Messi was the only one that had scored until Cape Verde, which I forget scored first there. Well, yeah, crazy stat. And if you look at the stats, I don't know if you've seen it. Like between the four semifinalists, France, Spain, England, Argentina, they were going around showing the stat leaders for each team. And in particular, each particular contribution, most goals, most assists, most touches, most touches on the boss, most dribbles, most this, most higher rating, all these things. For France, Spain, and England, it was a mixture of a bunch of players. For Argentina, it was Messi leading every single thing.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Literally every single stat was Messi on top.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

He really is single-handedly bringing this team to the final. Dude, it's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

At 39, another final form. And now we get to see what people have been wanting to see for a long time that Finalissima, the European champion versus the Copa Mica champion, La Min Yemal versus Lionel Messi. That picture of Messi basically baptizing La Min Yemal is gonna come to fruition at the World Cup final. We're gonna get the goat versus the kid. For Barcelona fans in particular. For a lot of other fans, not too much. But for Barcelona fans in particular. Like this guy right here? Like you, yeah. Like all the Madridistas, man. Madridistas are probably hating themselves. Who are you going for? Like who do you want to win? Because is it gonna be the team that has eight Barça players with Laminamal, Pedri, Pau Cuarsi, Daniel, all of these guys, or is it gonna be Argentina with Messi?

SPEAKER_00 12:49

I think I'd rather drink Bleach than see Lamin Yemal lift up his first World Cup or Messi lift up his second World Cup.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Bro, it's crazy. No matter what happens, no matter what happens, you can't tell me shit. Can't nobody say shit to me, man. Because I got so I got so much in the chamber. No matter what happens, whatever outcome happens, it's gonna be phenomenal. I we can't lose, can't lose, man. When you're a Barca fan, you can't lose. This is amazing. The only better scenario was if Columbia was in the in the final. That would have been phenomenal. But if that didn't happen, so that would have been the best scenario. Yeah, that would have been the best scenario. But that didn't happen. So the the the second most amazing scenario is this as a Barca fan. Dude, it's it's awesome. I literally like can't lose. It's a it's amazing. It's cool. You can lose the Champions League. Yeah, sure. Let's talk about the Champions League during the World Cup. That'll make you feel better. Man, brother, brother, brother. So going back to Tuchel real quick, because England. England was playing really well, I thought, for the first like 50, 60 minutes of the game.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

I thought it was a it was up until they scored that they were playing. Yeah, up until they scored. Like up until Anthony Grove. Until they scored, they weren't creating anything. It was just park the bus and let's just hope they don't score.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Which is crazy to do that. They scored in the 55th minute of the game. In the 55th minute of the game, they scored. And then since then, if you look at the man, if you look at the stats, like they have this momentum thing nowadays. If you look at the momentum from these, from this game, up until the 50, up until they scored in the 55th minute, it was like all England. Not all England, but majority England. Right? England was had some attacking points, like they were going. Argentina had some as well, but it was majority England was creating the most threat. After that goal, it was literally all Argentina. England didn't even get near Argentina's box. Like anywhere near. And then those Tuchel subs, like you were talking about, I mean, bringing on Ezri Gonzale, Daniel Byrne, Nico O'Reilly, all to try to hold that 1-0 lead with 35 minutes left to play. It's crazy that he would do something like this because he was brought in to make change, to change the complacency that these players have had, the mentality of the players, but at the end of the day, he's he's he they haven't gotten any further than what Southgate's gotten them. And that they and you can argue that Southgate was playing better football, too. You could. And at the end, and and these players fell short once again. Once again, they fell short once again.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

And I have a feeling, man, that's how we call Palmer at home, Trent at home. This is a perfect game for Trent. I have a feeling. Can you imagine putting those balls in from Trent to Harry Kane? Oh my god. Yeah, bro. Oh my god. It would have been great.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

We we missed out on that. Well, we didn't see it, man. And who knows? I mean, a lot of people are calling for Tuchel's head over in England already because of the way that he managed this game because they were already ahead. They could have they could have gone out and killed the game, but they decided not to. He decided to sit back, which was the worst thing you could do. Why would you park the bus against the greatest player in the world? He was gonna fight.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

And I mean, you've seen what they've done in the world because Argentina is better when they have their backs against the wall. That's when they're better. That's when they thrive. So why would you just sit back and take it? Honestly. Like that's that's the worst thing you could do. That that was a rookie mistake from a very experienced manager.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

Yeah. You could clearly tell this was his first World Cup. Yeah. Yeah. England fans really hate this guy.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

I know they do. Completely. Yeah. Especially after last game, too, how he criticized the team after that win. I I think this is not gonna end up well. I think it's gonna end up in a divorce pretty soon here. I think so too.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

I think it is. I I don't think it's gonna end well for the England and Tuchel story. A lot of people are already calling for his head, and it's hard to argue against them, man, because it would have been one thing, and it's like, oh man, like he really set up the game tactically to to win, and the players just didn't deliver. No, like he completely jacked this entire thing up as soon as they scored. I don't know why, man. I just it doesn't make sense. It doesn't compute in my brain why he would do that. But he did it, and Argentina found two opportunities, man, and you saw it coming. You saw it coming multiple, multiple times. Argentina was McAllister like two or three times. Yeah. Yeah, he hit the post like a really good game.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Very, very good game.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Argentina, honestly, man. I thought Argentina, this was probably one of Argentina's best games this World Cup. I think it was the best game they had in this World Cup. This was this was a really good game.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

This was the first time that they played a team that was in the top 10, top 10 rank of FIFA, and it was their best game, ironically.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

It is ironic how that happens, man. It's funny because they almost lost to uh Cape Verde, almost lost to Egypt. And it just wasn't a good performance either. It wasn't even a good performance, it was just a lot of games. It was very unconvincing. And then this one was just not only did they come out to play, they played convincingly, they won convincingly, they were deserved winners, and they just showed more grit and determination than anyone, man. It's it's crazy, bro. I I don't know what's what is what it is with England. They're always talking about it's coming home, it's coming home. Brother, the the only thing that's coming home is your players on a one-way plane ticket to London after the third place match. That's the only thing that's coming home. Ain't nothing else coming home, man. You invented a game that South Americans have completely dominated you at. The British specifically, yeah. Yes. Exactly. The British. They invented the game that they've continued to watch these teams roll over them. And they they haven't they haven't even gotten to a final in 60 years. They have as many trophies in their cabinet as Columbia does. And obviously they're they're a bigger nation, they're a bigger national team. They don't have a European championship. They've never won a Euro. They've only ever won a World Cup. That World Cup in 66, right. Yeah. That's it. They haven't touched any other silverware. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

They reached a final two years ago.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

Reached the final back to back against Italy and Spain.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Against Spain.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

And came up short twice. Came up short in 2018 against uh Croatia, came up short in 2026 against Argentina. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Who's gonna get them over the finish line? I felt like this year they could have done it if Tuchel actually called out the right players and made the right decisions, especially in this game. It's just a mentality.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

I think it's a lot of mentality, man. I think it all honestly dwells on these players that there's so much pressure on them to get it done that they that they crumble under that pressure because they don't have the experience to get over that hump. They just don't. And nobody in England really ever has because they haven't sni again. I mean, they've been in finals in in the Europe, but in the World Cup, they haven't been in the final in 60 years. And they just can't get over that hump. They can't get over that almost like that jinx or that curse that they have against them to lift the trophy because they obviously have the talent, they have the squab death to do it, they have great players, they have the right coaching staff in place. It's not like they don't have the money to hire great coaches, they have great players all over the world. And they just, it's just a mentality thing. They, if you look at it, man, I I was seeing a lot of people in the English media over in Talk Sport, over in the overlap with Gary Neville, Ian Wright, and they were really underestimating Argentina. They were saying, we can beat this team, we can do it. Gary Neville was saying that their defenders aren't that good. Some of these people in Talk Sport were saying that they'd rather have Harry Kahn on their team than Messi. All of these things, man. And what showed today, it is crazy. And at the end of the day, like part of me understands it, like they're back in their national team, they're back in their players. Like, I get that from a fandom standpoint.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

But yeah, we were saying that we could go toe to toe with Argentina too, but we also go to Argentina all the time, and and we know and and and 100%.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

So I I get that from that perspective. But at the same time, Argentina has something that these players don't have, and it's that grit and determination that they're literally, like you said, their backs are gonna be against the wall and they're gonna do whatever it takes. They're gonna put that knife in between their teeth. And they're gonna say, let's go to war. And Argentina cannot lose to England. They just can't. It's just not acceptable. It's not acceptable. And that was probably the one thing that Maradona had done that Messi had not is beat Argentina in a World Cup. And now that he has, and putting the performance that he did today, what did I say? Beat Argentina in a World Cup. Sorry, being being England in a World Cup, yeah. That was the only thing that Messi had done. Being England in a World Cup. That's the thing that Maradona still had out quote unquote over him. Or that's the thing that Maradona had done that he had not. And he did it today. And in Argentina, man, that they they love that. They take that with a lot of pride. Yeah. With a lot of pride.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Marona had two two goals against England, and Messi now had two assists.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Two assists, yeah. Two assists, man. And all both of them were in that blue kit.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Both of them are wearing that blue kit. Argentina requested to wear that blue kit. That's when England should have stepped in and said no.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

No. No. We'll wear a wicked.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

We've seen this movie before. We're gonna we're gonna backpedal. Hey chaps, we're gonna can we not do that, please? Yep. Hey lads, can we just have them wear the regular kit? Yeah. Hey lads. Hey lad A. Yep. Nope. Nope. Uh sorry to all the England fans, but your national team, unfortunately, just doesn't have that grit and determination, man. And that's they don't have the experience either. Like these, this Argentina team, again, they've gone to four finals in a row now. They have the experience to get to that final. When the when the going gets tough, the tough gets going. And they know they know how to get through that. And you gotta have, again, the right mentality to do so. And we were talking yesterday about Jude Vermessi. You were like, oh, Messi has never gone up against Jude. Jude decided to start talking smack.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

I wonder what have you seen this video? I do. Have you seen this video? It's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Yeah, of course. I I didn't even see the interaction like in real time during the game. I didn't see any. Yeah, I had no idea what they said to each other. But Messi, like they were just talking to each other, and then Jude said something, and then Messi just stopped and then gave him a stare, like, what? It's like, all right, that's what you want to do? All right. I really wonder what he said. And then I don't know if you saw, but Elliot Anderson was like, shit, what the fuck, dude? You really just said that? Damn. I didn't see that. I don't know if he said it in English or in Spanish, but I don't know. I I really wonder what he said.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

I would love to let me get those lip readers, man. Yeah. Somebody did a little dramatic too in the heat of the moment. Maybe. Who knows? But maybe he said something. He said something that got Messi's attention to the point where Messi was like, all right, you want to talk your shit? If you come at the king, you better not miss. And boy, did Jude miss. Jude miss.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Yeah, this was this was his worst performance, probably. Yeah. Harry Kane also had a pretty bad game, I thought. Yeah. They were completely neutralized for sure. Didn't there wasn't much going on. Morgan Rogers had a good game.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

Yeah, Morgan Rogers did play pretty well. So that was a that was an update to the to the squad. No Bikalyasaka, no Nani Mudweke, but Morgan Ryers, Rogers, excuse me, was playing out of that wing. And then Argentina played Giuliano Simeone instead of Rodrigo Le Pole. I think Rodrigo Le Paul was just, one, he was tired, and two, he just wasn't really performing all that well.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

Yeah, I was surprised with that change, honestly. I was like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Yeah, I think it was a combination of both. He was just tired, he was exhausted because they went to overtime with Cape Verde, went to the wire with Egypt, went to overtime with Switzerland. He was probably just exhausted. So I think they just gave him a lot whatever a break. And he he needed it. But Simeoni played well. Simeoni came out, played, played pretty well.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

He didn't do bad for playing his first starting World Cup game. It was a very physical game. A lot of fouls. A lot of fouls.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

From the get-go, bro. From the get-go. Well, you saw like the national anthems both getting booed. Like that was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Argentinians were like singing and chanting while the English national team was going on. Or the English national anthem was going on.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

Yeah, yeah. Well, same thing with the English fans. They were they were chanting and jumping and booing and all these things. So I think that motivated both players. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. There's a ton of beef, man. There's a ton of beef there.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

So Beckham, too. Beckham watching the game. Yeah. You know, he's English, but his boy Messi plays for Argentina.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

That's true, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

His boy Messi, yeah. That's right. Obviously, I assume he's going for England. Of course. He was happy when England was scoring. He's he's English, but at the same time, that's his boy. And he had two assists against him, pretty much knocked him out. Yeah, completely, man. He's like, damn. Now he's supposed to go back and work with him.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

Man, but man, Messi, Messi does it again. Argentina does it again. They get through. They were saying it was an easy path. It was a pretty tough path. Man, they they struggled to get to where they're at. They c came back from behind many times. When the when again they're back once against the wall, they overcame that. And brother, doing it against England in the semifinal of a World Cup was huge for them. Now we get we get the final. Spain, Argentina. That's gonna be. Who are you going for? Phenomenal. I won Argentina to win. Yeah. Realistically, yeah. If I had to pick, I'm gonna pick Argentina just because of well, well, because of Messi. Like I love Messi. Again, like I was saying, I'd rather see a South American team win. I'd rather keep that World Cup in South America. Uh, even though if Spain wins, I wouldn't be like too upset just because there are so many Barcelona players on there. And I'd love to see Lamin win his first, too. So that'd be cool. Lamin wins his first. By the age of 19, he already won a Euro and a World Cup. Who can say that they've done that? That would be fucking crazy. Who can say that they've done that?

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Did Pelé win a Copa América when he was a teenager? Do you know?

SPEAKER_02 28:18

I don't know off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

I'd have to look it up. Yeah. I mean, Mbappe won the World Cup at 19, Lamin would be the same age.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

So, fun fact Pele never won the Copa América during his career. He only competed in a single edition of the tournament in 1959, where he finished as the top score. But Brazil ultimately finished as runners up to Argentina.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

He only played in one Copa 19.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

He only played in one and didn't win it. The reason why, hold on. The reason why Pelé never won it.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

He was 19 at the time. So he played in more World Cups than Copa América's huh? So in the Copa América at the time was every two years, I believe.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

Yeah, it was like pretty frequent. I guess I'm reading here that in 1963, instead of playing Copa América, he went on a world tour with Santos to generate revenue for the club. In 1967, Brazil withdrew from the Copa America in 1975. Copa America wasn't held until 1975 due to political turmoil on the continent, by which point Palay had long retired from the Brazilian national team. You know what's crazy? Hold on. How many editions of the Copa did he play? Do you know? He he uh third place finish in the 1989 tournament. I don't know how many did he play?

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Bro, when was the last time Argentina won the Copa America before 24? They won it in Well, 21. And then Well, yeah, 21. No, no, no. Oh no, yeah, yeah, 21. But before 21, when did they 93? 93.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Yeah, that was their last international tournament, was in 93. So from 93 till 2021, they didn't win a single international trophy. That was a long drought. Very long drought. That's why that's why it meant so much, man. And they got so close so many times with Messi there, lost for four finals. Yeah. So Marona played three Copa Mericas, 79, 87, and 89. His best finish was in third place. Crazy. But he wasn't in the World Cup squad for 78, right? He was not, no. I think he was still too young. They didn't call him up. They didn't call him up. He was there in 86 in 90. Mario Kempis was the main player for 78. Yeah, he was, yeah. That was in Argentina in '78. Well, yeah, so not. Crazy man.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Messi's definitely over Maradona, I'm sure. Actually, no, no. That's certain. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

It is. Yeah. He's he's he's won three major tournaments with Argentina, potentially four. Went to three three finals, three World Cup finals, man. Like that is it. Just getting into a final is a massive achievement in itself. Just getting to a World Cup final to have done it three times now. Crazy. Bro, bro. So out of six World Cups.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

So it's almost Mbappe, too.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Almost Mbappe. Out of six World Cups that Messi's played in, 50% of him, he 50% of the time he made it to the final. First World Cup. Crazy. He was still too young. Peckerman didn't play him before Argentina. 2010. Maradona in charge. That was the worst decision that the Argentinian Football Federation could have ever done. It was terrible. That was probably Messi's worst World Cup. He didn't do well. He didn't score a goal. He didn't score a single goal. 2014, obviously he got to the final, won the golden ball. Mario Gote in overtime killed him. 2018, that was a recipe for a disaster with Sampai in charge. The locker room was completely destroyed. Messi. Everyone thought that was going to be his last one. Yeah, some people did. Some people did. There's a video recently that's going around of one of the announcers after Argentina got knocked out by France in the round of 16, saying something along the lines of like, oh, this is probably going to be his last one. He's going to be 35 by the time the next one rolls around. Who knows if he'll be able to play? Yeah. And he won. And now he's still here. Now he's still here. And he's later.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Whew, man.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Crazy, man. We're witnessing greatness. Witnessing grace. This is stuff that we'll tell our kids and grandkids about. We got to watch Messi and the World Cup in 2022 and 2026.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

I got to watch Ronaldo play too.

unknown 32:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

He shot Ronaldo. We got to watch him play too, but his World Cup legacy just not doesn't even touch what Messi's done. Doesn't even scratch the surface.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

But that's the reality of it, man.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

And that's that's the beautiful thing about it. If Lamin wins, we're already talking about Lamin is overcoming Ronaldo's international legacy with Portugal.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

Alright, bro. Relax. Relax. Just for the World Cup. No, no, no, no. Ronaldo is the all-time goal scorer for any international team. Nobody's got more goals than Cristiano Ronaldo for their national team. He's taken Portugal to the top. Portugal has never won anything before he even existed. Spain's a world champion before Laminha Maul was. No, I guess Laminha Maul was already born, but still. He was like three years old. Spain was already something. They were European champions. Spain was already a force before Laminha Maul even got here. Ronaldo was the one that pretty much put Portugal on the map. So no, no, Lamin still has a long way to go. I understand the meaning of the World Cup. I get it, yes. But listen, Lamin, even if he wins the World Cup, it's not like he had a great World Cup. He had a few nutmegs here and there, and that's it. That's it. Like if he won't win the MVP if Spain wins. He won't. Unless he scores like a hat trick or something like that. But he's not going to. So that'd be crazy if he did.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

But yeah, okay, let's say he wins the World Cup.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

His World Cup performance has been the best tournament. He he didn't have the best tournament, and again, he was coming off of injury. He wasn't like fully fit. So it's understandable. He's just turned 19. But again, he's still starting every single game. Yeah, he's still starting.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

He'll still be a world champion. You can't argue him about that for sure. You can't tell him shit. That's fine. But I'm just saying it's not like he was the one that put the team on his back. When I think of this Spain team, I'm not going to think about Lamin Yamal winning the World Cup. Like Lamin Yamal wasn't the one to put this team on his back. I'm going to think of Miquel Oyarzaal. I'm going to think of Dani Olmo. I'm going to think of La Porte. I'm going to think of Paco García, Cucureya, Rodrigo. Those are the players I'm going to think about.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

Yeah. I mean, you got to think about Lamin as well. Because one, yes, he didn't have the tournament that everybody expected that he was going to have, but he's still performing at a very high level at the age of 19. There's not many players that at the age of 19 they're doing this in a World Cup. They're just not. Mbappe is probably the only one that won. Pele is another one. Not even Messi, not Ronaldo.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Yeah, he's fun to watch taking people on, but if he wasn't part of this Spain squad, they'd still be in the final. 100%. Who do you put in instead of Lamin? Who was playing at first? Ferran was playing there. Who else was playing there? I guess you can put three midfielders with Fabian, Pedri, Rodrigo. Spain always puts midfielders like they did in 2010. I don't know. I mean, I I I personally think they still make it to the final. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

I don't know. I don't know if they do, because yeah, like I agree that Lamin hasn't had his best tournament, but it's not like he's been, you know, complete dog shit either. He's been dog shit. He's still he's been he's been man of the match in like two or three.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Yes, but that's also a popularity test. Or a contest, I would say. Popularity contest.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

I would say that he deserved it for at least two of them. The one who what was the one that Kukurayus assisted to and Oya Staval scored to? Was that against Austria, I think, that he got man of the match? I think it was Austria. I think either one of those two deserve the game.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

He wasn't even happy about it. You saw him taking a picture afterwards, and he was like, I don't even deserve this. Because he didn't. But he played, but he played well that game. Like it's it's not like he's a big thing. I'm not saying he's playing dog shit. No, he's not. But he's not he's not scoring goals, he's not making assists. That's that's that's what we look at the day we look at numbers. Yes, the eye test, like he's phenomenal. Taking people on, doing the nutmegs, yeah. Uh all that is amazing, but you he he's not producing on the pitch, is what I'm saying. On the stat sheet.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

I think on the pitch he is producing. I think on the pitch he is creating opportunities for his teammates. Like that goal for uh who was it that scored that first goal? Fabián Ruiz this past game. Yeah, that was a good pass. He was connecting well with Pedro Porro. So I think he he he's a facilitator. He helps his team play well. On the stat sheet, yeah, he hasn't been putting up the stats, the numbers that everybody thought that he was going to. But he's still been a very crucial part to that team. I think if if you take him out, do they still make it to the final? I don't know. Yeah, Spain is stacked. I think they they they find a way, but I think they struggle a little bit more because Lamin gives them that little bit of extra edge. And Lamin also gives them that confidence, man. He gives them that confidence that a lot of the players sometimes lack a little bit. Like he was the only one confident enough to be like, no, like France should be scared of us. Like, why should we be scared of France? Everybody's always asking him about what about Mbappe, Elise, Dembel. He's like, what about us? Like, what about us? France isn't beating us. So he transmits that confidence to his team and that mentality and having that on the field, I think that's huge as well. That's something that you can't see on the stat sheet.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

I agree with, yeah, the mentality, but I I really do think that they still make it to the final without him. Because he just hasn't been a difference maker this World Cup.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Not like he typically is, no. But I also don't think like Nico Williams is on the bench, too.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

Nico Williams. But Nico Williams could have got to see Victor Munoz too a little bit more, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Yeah, Nico Williams hasn't been all that. Ferran Torres, like, I mean, I don't know. I just don't know. It doesn't convince me. They're definitely way better with Lamin Yamal. I'm not saying Benjamin, no way. You'd be stupid enough to me. I know what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. I'm just trying to see if he wasn't there, like, who do they play instead of him? Right. And it it's like what type of they would have to change up their their tactics. They would have to change up completely the way they're playing. So does that still get them to a final or not? I I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. It's hard to say. But it's a good debate. That's a good question to ask people. But anyway, we got the final set. Spain, Argentina this Sunday. The World Cup is coming to an end. We got the bronze medal match on Saturday. France between England. Nobody's really gonna. I mean, people will tune in, but these two teams aren't really gonna care too much about this. I bet you they both just want to go home at this point.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

I think so. I mean, I think Mbappe might want to score a few because it still counts as volatile and he wants to get the yeah, he wants to get the golden boot. I would say that's probably the only thing. But yeah, this game is stupid.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Yeah, it's probably gonna get a lot of a lot of players who didn't get to play too much are probably gonna get some playing time just to say that they played in the World Cup. But yeah, but it's a game nobody wants to play. Yeah, I even I think France is gonna take that one. I don't think England. Yeah, for sure. I think after this game, like they're completely broken. I think both teams are. Yeah, but the way England lost the game, it's one thing. The way England lost the game, I think it's more heartbreaking than the way France lost it. Because France got completely outplayed, dominated. They couldn't even sniff a goal if they wanted to. England were winning this game. England could have won this game, but they almost it's like they chose not to.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

Tuco chose not to. Yeah. Didier the Champs chose not to as well. But they both coaches are to blame for for their losses, for sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

But uh okay, France, England. Who do you think wins that?

SPEAKER_00 40:35

Yeah, France for sure.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

France, for sure. I would agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Spain, Argentina. I think Spain is winning. You think Spain is that would be a low-scoring game, yeah. It is. Spain, Spain's gonna win either 1-0 or 2-1. Let's go with 1-0.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

1-0, Spain. I think this is a game that goes to overtime. I think it has overtime written all over it. I think it's funny. You said uh last game against Spain versus France. It was the best defense versus the best attack. I think this is literally the best defense versus the best attack because I think Argentina has scored more goals than France has. Have they? I'm not sure, honestly. I believe so. Let me double check on the street.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

Well, now maybe, yeah, after today. Yes, after today. After today, that's a possibility because they got shut out against Spain. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Yeah, Argentina has scored the most goals at this tournament with 19. France has scored 16. Dang.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

And Messi has scored eight?

SPEAKER_02 41:35

Messi scored eight.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

Eight of the nineteen? Damn, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Yeah, she scored almost half. Yeah. Just under half the game.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

I thought Argentina just scored less goals than that because I felt like Messi had a higher ratio of the goals than the other. Yeah, he did at first for sure.

SPEAKER_02 41:52

I'm trying to figure out who was who has been all of Argentina's goal scorer. So Enso and Lautaro scored this game. Lichamartinez scored two, I believe. Yeah, so let me let me look it up. The first game it was a hattie by Messi.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

Enso scored two. Julian has one.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

The second game against Jordan. Luchetos scored item.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

Yeah. And Lochesa scored one, too. Well, Lotaro has three, I think, actually. Lotaro has three goals. Because he scored that penalty, right? And he scored that one tap and against was it Switzerland? And he just scored today. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

So he has three.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Yeah. And Julian had scored that quarterback.

SPEAKER_02 42:35

McAllister scored against Switzerland. Julian Alvarez scored against Switzerland. There was an own goal against Cape Verde. It was Lissandro Martinez and Messi against Cape Verde. It was Cuti Romero, Messi, and Enzo Fernandez against against Egypt. So Enso has two. Messi has eight. Lautara has three. So yeah, that kind of checks out. And one on goal. Yeah. So they so yeah, this is literally the best attack against the best defense at the World Cup. Spain has only let up one goal the entire World Cup against Belgium.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

And what's crazier to me is they're playing their third best keeper.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Bro, I'm like, we were talking about Luis de la Fuente, he has balls, man. He stands on business. And the crazy part is that a lot of people would have said, you're wrong for doing that. Unay Simon has not proved them wrong. He hasn't done anything bad this World Cup. No, he hasn't. That's his guy. That's his guy. That's his guy. And he's got arguably two of the best goalkeepers in the world right now sitting on the bench.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Yeah. I think they're better than him, dude. I think so too. They they are. But for Luis de la Fuente's system, I think Unay is the guy. Even back with Luis Enrique, Unay was the guy. So they're just sticking with him. It's worked out. Why not? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

But back then with Luis Enrique, uh David Raja and Juan Garcia still hadn't popped up. As much as what they are today. No.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

David Raja got some chances, but uh still U Unay Simon was his guy for sure.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

He was, yeah, yeah. But that was what I'm saying is that there wasn't much m much more of a choices. Like John Garcia still hadn't really come up yet. Yeah, yeah. Came up yet. And David Raya was just like getting started. Now David Raya is the best keeper in the Premier League. John Garcia was the best goalkeeper in the liga. Unai Simon did not have a good season. And he's the starting goalkeeper. If it ain't broken, don't fix it, man. And they're in the final. They're in also back-to-back finals. European final and a World Cup final. So we'll see. Maybe another dynasty starting over in Spain as well. This is gonna be a good game, man. This is gonna be a really, really fun game to watch. I think tactically it's gonna be good. It's gonna be a lot of possession. Again, a lot of taking people on between two of these, both of these teams with Lamine, with Messi. Again, the best attack versus the best defense. It's gonna be very, very exciting. A lot of people are saying that it's not gonna be exciting. I think it's gonna be really, really fun to watch. It's not gonna be like the last World Cup final. It's not gonna be a 3-3. It's not gonna go to Panel. It's might not be like that. But I think it'll be exciting. That's oh yeah, we got cut off. I think it's gonna go to overtime. I think Argentina are going to come out victorious in overtime. Two to one. Two to one Argentina's gonna win. Who scores? I think Messi scores one, and I think Lautaro Martinez scores another one.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

Oof. He always does come up clutch for Argentina. Yeah. He's like their clutch guy other than Messi.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

He's gonna come off the bench and he's gonna score as well. I think he's gonna do it. I think he's gonna do it. Good good for him. Anyway, man, this about wraps up the show for today. We got a World Cup final set. Stay tuned, guys, for what's gonna happen for the World Cup final. We got some things in the works. Uh, we'll see what we'll do, but we'll keep posting content out there for you guys on the socials. Again, thank you to all of our new followers. If this is your first time listening, man, we really appreciate you guys. We appreciate the love. This, if you're new here, we do a lot of jokes, a lot of banter. Two brothers just love the game, disagreeing a lot. That's why it's called the friendly foes, but we have a lot of love for each other and a lot of love for the game and a lot of love for all of our followers. So thank you guys for tuning in. We'll see you guys this weekend after the final. We're gonna have to record after this. Yes, sir. After that, and we'll put it out there for you all. So again, be sure to tell your friends about it. Be sure to subscribe, rate, review, get us to a thousand followers on Instagram. We're almost there.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

I think we just crossed the 900 follower line, get us to about I think people will enjoy seeing me miserable this final because uh it's probably will lose-lose situation for you lost every single Madridista out there. Already lost. Well, except the Spanish Madreistas, I guess. I guess they're upset about it.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

But even then, like to some of those Spanish Madreistas are are butthurt because there is I mean, we're not gonna count Cucure yet. He hasn't suited up for Real Madrid yet. There is not a single Real Madrid player in Spain. They are butthurt.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:22

They are butthurt. But I think it it calms them down a little bit that no Barca player in Spain has really like outshined, other than I mean, well, yeah, Kuwait C and Ottima, but there's what, eight players there, and only two of them have really done good. So it's whatever, it's fine. It's not that big of a deal. They don't have to fucking listen to Lamin Yama saying, Oh, I scored eight goals on the World Cup or five assists, I was the best, nobody's better than me. That little cocky guy, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 47:55

He he's not he's not that cocky. He's not that cocky in that sense. He's cocky. He's cocky in the sense of like, I belong here. Like I'm good enough to be here. I'm good enough to be in this conversation. He's not cocky of like, oh, I scored this many goals, I did these many assists, or like I, you know, I'm the best player on the team. I think he's cocky in the sense of like, I want I want to ignite a fire within my teammates, and I want to ignite confidence within my team for them to for them to get there. And the thing is that he talks the talk, but he also walks the walk, man. Every time, dude, there's very few instances where it's been where it's backfired on him, and he's never gonna stop, man. He talks before the game, he gets at everybody. He likes up exactly, but he gets his teammates behind him, he gets them riled up, and it's like, let's go, guys. Let's listen, like we we belong here. There are none of this, like respecting the opponent type of stuff. I mean, respect them, but don't like you, we are not beneath them. And that was the thing with France that he didn't like is that everybody kept underestimating Spain, thinking that Spain had already lost against France before they even stepped on the field. And he's like, nah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's get one thing straight. If anybody's gotta be scared of somebody, France has to be scared of us, not the other way around. And they can't say shit to him, man, because he was right. He was right. So they can't say anything to him. But anyway, anyway, man, we'll wrap this thing up, guys. Again, thanks for tuning in. Be sure to follow us along, and we'll be back here again after the World Cup final, and we'll see who's gonna win. So inchare la selección La Lento Core Corazo.