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S3E16: Can AI help with Progressive Overload?
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We explore the limitations of AI-generated workout programs and discuss when to make changes to your training regimen for optimal results.
• AI-generated workout programs often prescribe excessive volume without understanding fatigue management
• Progressive overload should be applied intelligently rather than mechanically adding weight each session
• Multiple factors determine when to deload including sleep quality, hydration, stress, and joint health
• Consistent bad workouts for 3-5 sessions in a row typically indicate a need to deload
• Maintaining the same exercises is often better than changing programs due to boredom
• Increasing calories and hydration can sometimes resolve apparent plateaus without needing a deload
• Accountability remains the biggest advantage human coaches have over AI training programs
• Exercise selection should only change when progress has stalled for extended periods or joint pain develops
• Bodybuilding requires consistency with the same exercises over long periods for optimal results
• The future may combine AI knowledge with human accountability for optimal coaching experiences
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AI Generated Workout Programs
Speaker 1I have played around with ChatGPT and trying to generate my own program and just see what they can come up with .
Speaker 1Yeah , so last week we had Sam . Yeah , yeah , so last week we had Sam . Today it's only the two of us , but we do have quite an interesting topic that we wanted to say Now . From the previous episode when we had Eric on , we talked about AI and stuff like that , which brings us to a very interesting topic AI . Now , just a self-story that I'm going to just share .
Speaker 1I have played around with chat , gpt and trying to generate my own program and just see what they can come up with . So I uploaded my photo from Edmonton and then I asked them okay , so I'm going to have to build up to 75 kilos , and then I want a five day or six day splits up to you , and then I just want to build out as much muscle . So I gave it all these details and I asked it okay , generate me a training program . And then it came out with a very high volume training , a lot of barbell bent over rows and stuff like that . And then when I look at it it sort of makes sense and it sort of doesn't make sense . So it's interesting .
Speaker 1Now I gave that AI program a run . I ran it for two weeks and then it just didn't work for me , so I just had to change up some of the exercises . So I don't know about many others , but , however , I just do think that the volume that it provides is very , very high . So I do think there's you you know it's a bit of question of the decisions there . Uh , have you tried something similar ?
Speaker 2I haven't personally tried actually creating myself like a program through there . Um , I've asked the questions to get ideas about things or bringing up certain like research around stuff .
Speaker 2Um , but yeah , when I , when it comes to generating programs , I feel like it knows a decent level of ideas around creating it , but it doesn't notice the minute things with the stimulus to fatigue ratio when it comes to doing the barbell rows , if you're doing a ton of volume with that , you can get pretty beat up .
Speaker 2I don't think it's intelligent enough to understand . Okay , like the rectus is going to get worked a lot there . We do a lot of barbell work . Like there's so many things that revolve around like training that like it doesn't really have enough information about , or like the human experience on Like it pretty much probably just draws like oh how many sets per muscle per week , kind of thing . And since higher volume generally with the research seems to be a little bit better , it's probably pushing for that and it's probably just finding like very basic exercises that okay , this should work for that , where I feel like , compared to somebody that's actually very knowledgeable in this space , it just doesn't have like that that high degree , uh , awareness of all the different movements . The concept of like fatigue yeah , like it's . I'm trying to think of how to explain this better .
Speaker 1Yeah , you're on the right track of what I was thinking . It's the exercise selection is a little bit questionable , so understanding the demand of the exercise , so what I saw in one of the generated , it asked me to do four sets of bulgarian split squat . Yeah , I was like that is that like 10 reps per per leg and like that is insanely high .
Speaker 2Like I don't know about you or any of the listeners , that three sets of bulgarian split squat is hard for me did it give you like the rpe , like how hard you should be training with those sets , or did it just kind of just give you like four sets of like 10 with bulgarians split squats ?
Speaker 1yeah . So it gives , it gives uh , it does , it does give those information . It gives a tempo tempo . So for the Bergeron splice , I gave a tempo of two seconds and one second pause and I think a one second concentric , and then , at the very bottom of the entire program , it talks about progression per week . It asked to do an increment of a 7.5 to an 8 RPE increment for week one and then week two , up it by 0.5 to an 8 RPE increment for week one and then week two up it by 0.5 to 1 to 1 RPE . So it gives that and then deload after . So it's got these footnotes on , you know deloading after how many weeks . It's got all those information .
Speaker 1So which leads me to say , since AI has is able to generate these sort of information , these information has been out in the social media for a long time now , since ever , like Instagram , facebook , tiktok all these social media platforms have been part of daily living . These information has been shared by numerous influencers and numerous very high caliber coaches , such as we have some guests over the past few episodes . They share these informations out there quite a lot . Now , one of the things that is talked about a lot in our natural bodybuilding community is progressive overload Right , so I'm sure everybody's listening , has heard of it or knows what it is . If you don't , do you mind sharing what that is for us ?
Speaker 2yeah , it's pretty much a sense of like , um , your body's gonna adapt to a continuous increase in stimulus to your body over time . Um , I find a lot of people get it wrong because they think that okay , like , if I can continue to increase my loads , that that's going to trigger that , this progressive overload kind of mechanism , whereas it's your body's response to a certain degree of stimulus . So , like , if you're constantly hitting that threshold , over time your body's going to adapt and get stronger as a result of , like , the progressive overload . Um , where some people think it's like the other way , where it's like , oh , you have to continue to push to have weights go up , but if you are somebody that is , more advanced , like it's going to take a long time to even see , sometimes just like a one rep increase in certain movements .
Speaker 2um so , like you might be thinking , oh , I'm not progressive overloading this week because , like last week , I did the same way , the same reps , but you're still hitting that certain threshold to create an adaptation , kind of thing .
Speaker 1Yeah , absolutely so . That's definitely exactly what it means . Now , with AI , google everything , a lot of individuals we could just Google what the definition is , but I think with that explanation it gives a little bit more clarity on some sort of application , which brings me to my next point is with progressive overload definition out there , I think the most important one is application . Now , application is always hard . Theories and thesis statements are all out there and also something on how to apply . It is also what I wanted to discuss .
Speaker 1Now , there's two types of applications . One of them is program application adding reps or start increasing RPE , stuff like that and then the other one is what like what ? I , what , what did I say ? Practical application ? Yeah , so practical application is what , what it looks like when you're actually within the lift , so what exactly are you doing at the gym , and what it actually looks like , what it actually should feel like , so what it . So let's talk about programming application first . With so much uh programming out there , so many coaches who's providing free programs and even us coaching , so I think this , this program , is uh , this topic is good for not only coaches but also for , uh , general lifters who are doing their own programming . I think we can shed a little bit of light . When is it a good time to reassess your program and either change or deload ? This is the tricky decision . Do we need to change the program or just need to deload and then just do the program again ? So this is where I wanted to start first . So , brandon , do you want to go ahead ?
Speaker 2Yes . So
When to Change Your Program
Speaker 2in terms of figuring out like , oh , if it's a good time to , ok , we need to pull back , we need to deload , or we simply just need to actually add more volume or more sets or push a little bit harder in the program , it's going to come down to quite a few things . First , one is how are you progressing ? So , are you continuing to progress or are things really starting to slow down ? Are you actually seeing regression , where you're actually not able to use as many uh do as many reps with the same load ? Are you having to use actually less load ? That's one that we want to look at , but we also want to look at other factors like okay , like how was your sleep , how was like your hydration , how was your stress that week ? Because sometimes that's a big thing too . That will happen is you'll just have a week where you're there's just a lot of stuff going on .
Speaker 2Sleep's not great , you're eating 10% as good , so then that interferes with training . So , looking at that , looking , looking at the progression and then looking at how your body's feeling too . So if you are feeling like , okay , like my joints are feeling fine , uh , workouts are still feeling good . Um , when you're training you still feel like you're getting a good , like disruption in , like the muscle group that you're trying to target even . I find even looking at pump a little bit is is a good , not always just solely focused just on that , but understanding if you're getting generally good pumps .
Speaker 2So , looking at all these factors , if your sleep is good , if your nutrition is good , your hydration and all that stuff is good , but you are feeling like joints are a little bit beat up , you're not progressing as well , then that's probably a good idea to have a week or so where we're pulling back with volume or maybe adding a couple rest days to incorporate like a d load . Other way around is if , okay , like things seem to be progressing um , or like , say , we're not like regressing but they seem to be starting to level off , um , you're still feeling having really good training sessions , maybe at the end of the training session you feel like you , maybe even have a little bit more energy . Like that , your body's adapted to that amount of stimulus that you could potentially add more so if that's the case , then it might be okay .
Speaker 2Like you might need a little bit more volume . Oh , you might need to make some modifications to the program to , yeah , add more volume and maybe add more exercises in , as your body has adapted to the current amount of stimulus that you're getting . Yeah , awesome .
Speaker 1Yeah , so I would totally agree with that . Now I'm going to ask the obvious question . There are days where we have good days and we have bad days , and some bad days are going to extend for three days or plus . Now how do you identify or any tips for you to identify to some of the listeners to , when you actually need to deload ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I would say it would be the length of it , and like those other factors too , because , like , usually you're having a bad day because of something . I remember two weeks back , like we were actually doing a challenge in my Facebook group on like it was like the hydration challenge so just making sure we're getting enough fluids coming in , and like I kind of noticed like the week before that I was actually having not the greatest workouts , noticed the week before that I was actually having not the greatest workouts , my nutrition was good , my sleep was pretty solid , but there was just something missing . I started having more fluids coming in for the week of the hydration challenge .
Speaker 1I'm like oh shit , I think this was probably the issue right here .
Speaker 2I was just probably slightly dehydrated going into those training sessions , looking at those variables like what my stress was at , what all these other things were at , and if it's continuing like it's like yeah , there's always like sometimes you have everything perfect and like you just have like kind of a shitty workout session .
Speaker 2So I would wouldn't just be like , okay , I need to deload now , like look at your next couple training sessions . Okay . Like , is it like three , is it like four , is it like five training sessions in a row where you're like man , like what is going on , like I can't perform as well , joints are hurting , I'm just just dead tired , like my motivation to actually train is way down those are some good indicators that .
Speaker 2Okay , maybe it's time to uh take a , take a deload , uh , for a week or so even sometimes just taking out two to three training days because , like for me with deloads , I actually don't like focusing on decreasing the intensity , because for me I find every time I do a workout like a deload workout , where I'm intentionally lowering the loads and trying not to train as close to failure , it just kind of feels like a really shitty session . So I would way rather either just decrease , like , the amount of sets I'm doing , so if I'm usually doing like three or four sets , I'll just bring it down to like one or two sets .
Speaker 2If I'm usually doing like four or five sessions per week , I'll just take out one or two sessions and that way I'm having another rest day and I'm able to recover a bit more with the deload .
Speaker 1Yeah , I think that's a . Yeah , that's a really good , you know good pointer for some of the listeners knowing , you know , identifying where the line is going to be . Now sometimes this line is a little bit more blurry . Now I've had , I've had sessions where I was , I was really I had almost a week of a shitty training session , just probably just due to stress , but then the week after I felt good . So it it might not necessarily be , it could be some false alarms and things like that . But knowing now understanding on , you know when and where to apply program adjustments . What about the actual practical stuff ? So when you're at the gym , what does the lift look like ? When is it ? When is it a good time to actually change some exercise selections ?
Speaker 2so yeah , for actualized selections . Um , I find I think my kids would tell upon the term stale when something just feels not great anymore , like if something is like your , say , performance exercise , say it's like a barbell , bench press or something your elbow is just each time you're doing it it just keeps getting more irritated , more irritated maybe when it comes to like the stimulus from it . Like you're like man , like I've noticed , like lately oh my , my shoulders feels like it's taking more of like the disruption in my chest and maybe you're not getting the best like , uh , stimulus . You don't feel like you're getting a stimulus anymore with that exercise . I noticed this quite a bit too .
Speaker 2Sometimes if we are progressing too quickly .
Speaker 2I've definitely been bad for this with certain movements where I'm like , okay , this was where I jump in loads a little bit quicker than I probably should , and then , like the target muscle group isn't quite getting hit as much , or some secondary muscle groups are starting to take over a little bit more , this form , starting to shift , and sometimes that can lead to those kind
The Science of Progressive Overload
Speaker 2of things too .
Speaker 2So making sure , yeah , it might mean not progressing quite as quick , but you're still going to get a better stimulus that way . Yeah , in terms of the exercise , pretty much how your joints are feeling , how the actual movements feeling um , are probably going to be like the big indicators if we should be switching that out . And same with like if it's progressing , because , like , when you first start a new movement it's going to progress real quick and then it's going to start to slow down . It's you still want to keep going and slow down because you're probably getting um some neurological adaptations to that movement . Um , at first the progression is going to be quicker , then it's going to slow down . But once you get to a point where it's , say , it's becoming stagnant , where you're not seeing progress in like the reps or the load for , say , like a month or over a month , and it's like , okay , maybe , maybe it's worth switching it out now If we're really starting to hit a wall with it .
Speaker 1Yeah , and I just want to add to that is , besides looking at those factors of considering changing exercises , I think it also will depend on what the body is kind of feeling on that day . I'll give you an example . Let's say barbell benching . Okay , so it really does come to a point where barbell benching is going to be numerologically more demanding compared to a seated machine flat press . So loading the bar , the stability demand , so all that in consideration is is also a good indicator on when is it a good time to actually change it . So if the body is actually not feeling a good pump from the barbell bench , press for , let's say , for you , like a month or even , so , yeah , I think it's a it's also a good time , like it's that you still need that movement , but probably switching it . So I think that's how we want to get the point over is just how we you link this stuff together and adjust the program .
Speaker 1This other practical standpoint is , as you mentioned you , joint pain and other stuff . Now I just want to just bring a little bit on nutrition side to this . So let's say , if the case is , you're in a maintenance phase but your joints are kind of feeling more dry and you're just not feeling the pump as well , would you be ? Would you consider increasing the calories or just dial back the volume if fatigue is just climbing rapidly ?
Speaker 2yeah , I would say it depends on , like , where we're at body composition wise . Um , because yeah , like say , for example , if somebody's trying to maintain and like say they're not competing in their off season , yeah , they're trying to maintain it to low of a body fat percentage , then yeah , I would say , yeah , it's probably a good idea to bring those calories up , create a small surplus to ensure , um , that the recovery capacity is a little bit higher . Um , because , yeah , if you're in a deficit or even a maintenance is not too bad . Like you , usually you can recover quite well . Yeah , I would say it might be a good idea to actually bring calories up just to really enhance your ability to recover .
Speaker 1Yeah , what about your thoughts on that ?
Speaker 1man yeah , I actually totally agree with that . Um , mainly is also speaking from what I did personally two weeks ago is and of course everybody knows I bulk bringing calories up actually did help not , as you also mentioned before , the hydration part . So I brought in my water and I brought , I brought up my carbohydrates and those two mix actually very well together . There was a couple of exercise that I felt some of my joints were a little bit more achy . Now me increasing about 100 to 200 calories on just carbohydrates and water actually made me feel a lot better . So having more fluid in the body does help the joints and help me just get through the exercises , and it just helped me push through .
Speaker 1So that was the week that I just talked about . There was one week where I felt really shitty and I thought that it needed to deload and then I increased my foods and my water and then the other way felt fine . So that was the exact same example that I wanted to bring up . Now I think we have , you know , really good information on what progressive overload should actually look like . Now , with AI and all that stuff they give , they give you an outline on what that should look like , but do you think that would ? Do you think that's still tough ?
Speaker 2because everybody's going to be a little bit different when it comes to their ability to drastically overload . So sometimes they'll give generic like oh , like , oh , try to add five pounds per week or something , or have like because like you would .
Speaker 2I even seen this a lot in like programs back like 10 years ago or ones that I used to run , where it's like okay , try to add five pounds each week to this , try to add 10 pounds per week to this . I even used to progress like program people like that , um . But everybody's going to progress a little bit differently and if you're trying to get them to lift heavier than their body's capable , form starts getting messed up . So I feel like , yeah , if AI is giving corrections based off of that , it's probably not the best thing to go off of , unless you're actually like oh , I felt like this data You'd have to be actively communicating throughout , it might be able to help you a bit more . Yeah , there's just so many variables that I don't think AI is quite smart enough right now anyway to be able to detect if what's an actual good choice and what's not a good choice .
Speaker 2I remember Steve Hall made a post on his social media . This comes to like peak week , so it's a little bit different than actual like programming , but he was talking about like . He was just like trying to see oh , like , if I take a photo of this person , um , put it in the chat gp if it would be able to tell them if they're flat or full or or like what . I think he asked at what body fat percentage he was at in the photo and , like he was I think he mentioned he was probably around 12 body fat it told him he was eight percent body fat . So that I think there's still a pretty large degree of error in terms of its ability to acknowledge some of these factors .
Speaker 2Same with programming , like I mentioned , like you mentioned , like it gave you so much volume that seems like your body you weren't able to manage . So if somebody's like brand new to working out and like they ask chat to be a team to create a program for them , it might give them more than what they are able to recover from . Or it might be a little bit too advanced , like there's so many different variables with individuals . That's where , like being a coach 101 , you can really dissect , like what has this person been doing before ? What movements have been feeling really good ? What are , like , the different leverages , like do they have very long , like femurs and like .
Speaker 2So , like you can , really be very specific with the programming for them , whereas , yeah , chat GPT . I just don't think it has that scale yet .
Speaker 1Yeah , I agree Speak of having the coaches having a more personal connection and personal conversation with the athlete . And so what would you think what a bigger challenge for coaches in making that decision , in increasing load or volume at that specific time for the athlete ?
Speaker 2yeah . So that's where it's going to be looking at those markers , like it's going to be looking at progress photos too , looking at , maybe certain conference measurements , like on arms as well if you're trying to
Identifying When to Deload
Speaker 2grow arms , like to see kids , what we're doing actually working , yeah , and then you can chat with them and get a really nice detailed um , like what's actually going on with the sessions to see , okay , like are they recovering Well , are they feeling good in those sessions ? Are they feeling super beat up ?
Speaker 2Looking at all these different variables and making a decision based off of that . And a lot of times it's slowly increasing volume up over time , whereas it seems like chat . Gpt is just like zero to a hundred when it comes to the programming , because I've seen it before too with people , and so just me like okay , I typed in like this workout from chat .
Speaker 2Gpt gave me this and they went to the workout and they're like man , like I , like this is like a very brutal session , like some of these movements don't really make sense together , yeah so I I would .
Speaker 1I would also say the same as making that when is a good time to make that decision to increase , to push the athlete to progress , and making and also the decision of probably what to change . It seems like there is a a time and place to make changes , but really , if , is it something that the coaches want to change just to seem like they're working , or an actual change is needed ? I think that's also a very , very difficult decision to make while you were programming for for clients . Now , some clients also may feel the same . It's a two-way thing .
Speaker 1They might feel like okay , I've been doing this program for like what ? 12 weeks now they're , they will get bored and they might seek for the coach's opinion in hey , do you think we need to change something ? It's like I'm doing very good at this , this , this , this exercise , I'm progressing well and I feel that such and such . So they'll probably give answers that we usually want to hear and to make a change . So they , they might give us this answer . So how would you not move around it ? But how would you identify if it's something that the athlete feels like they're bored versus or they're not , like they're not enjoying that workout versus they actually need it yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2So , like you mentioned , like chat , cpt is very pleasing people pleasing . So if you're saying , oh , I don't feel like doing this part , it's just gonna make you another program . Even if what you're currently doing is providing a really good stimulus and you starting up all these new exercise , you're gonna have to relearn them and all that stuff and like it might slow down progress over time . So I love where you're getting at at this point where it's like you need to , yeah , like programs over time are going to get boring .
Speaker 2Like it's just . It's one of those things that can get kind of tedious , doing the same thing over and over again . But you've already learned that movement . You've been progressing with it . If you're still progressing with it , if we're still seeing really good progress , like , there's no need to change it up . Changing it up might even slow down that progress . So , like I mentioned before , like looking at the , the kit , are they actually still progressing really well ? Um , are joints and everything feeling good ? Are they getting proper recovery ? If these kind of things are going really smoothly , but they're just okay , I'm kind of bored of this . You want to encourage them to continue on it to the point where , like , there's some degree of like . Yeah , we wanted to make sure that they're not going to be so bored that they're just going to jump off the program and just not do it .
Speaker 2But you have to encourage them like , hey , man , just four more weeks of this program . These last couple of weeks , though , you might be getting sick of these exercises . It's going to be better for us to continue with this program for another four weeks rather than hop off and trying to start all these new exercises .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , I would agree that's it's also being um why people say that bodybuilding is such a lonely sport , because you're just doing the same thing over and over and over again . And it's not only like lifting . Heavy is also what we call quote-unquote grind , but the grind is so extensive like somebody . We have some athletes who've been prepping for what ? Uh , not prepping , but just prepping for a show for over 12 months , just including a short , a short bulking phase and then a pre-cut and then into the actual prep cut . So it it's , it's long . You know , we might be spending at least four to five months on probably even the same program . So , yeah , and I guess the the thing I wanted to say is yeah , ai will generate a pretty , but it's learning . I would say it's definitely something in the future and it's not really in the future . It's now .
Speaker 1Honestly , like eric helms did say , that there are , that there are apps out there . I think there's one that's like called my , like coach ai or something like that . That's an app that's trying to replace all these uh , online training coaching apps like what , trainerize . It's got everything in there , like . It's got like a nutritional menu . It's got the training program . It can all be generated by ai based upon your clients , let's say , weight , height , goal , gender , all that stuff . I haven't really personally looked into it , but understanding like these pointers , like yes , ai could potentially be the future . It is sort of now , but it's still got . There is some things that it just couldn't do , like as like we could , humans can do .
Speaker 2Yeah well , I feel like like when it comes to information like there's so much information out there , like if you put in the work , when you find all the information , you could create our own program for you and have it be pretty decent to follow . But I find it's usually the accountability to actually get it done , because people know what they need to do but they're just not doing it right . So usually it's that second eye , somebody literally just like hovering over them , hey man , like let's get this done , or like checking in with them to make sure they're actually doing the thing . Because , like , I used to literally like do like a lower tier program where I would just send a program to people or just nutrition people and like let them do whatever they like to try to follow it . There's maybe like five percent of the people that did that actually succeeded . The rest just fell off and didn't do anything . It's because they didn't have any accountability .
Speaker 2So I I think , when it comes to the biggest reason why like the like I actually haven't human code works , is because we can , like there's more accountability held there .
Speaker 2Like I feel like I could be wrong , but with like just an ai , you chat with the ai , it's like oh , it doesn't really matter if I don't follow it like I don't really care , whereas when you hire a coach , like I feel like especially if you may have a really good relationship with your coach um , I've always felt like , okay , if I'm not doing this , I'm letting this person down . Like if there's that sense of accountability , I know if I don't do this , he's going to reach out to me like hey , what's going on here ? I think that's the biggest thing with coaching , even for competition prep people , especially when you get into those deeper phases , when you get into your head , if you don't have somebody there keeping you going down the proper way , there , keeping you going down like the proper way , like it's really easy to be like , oh fuck , I'm not lean enough , I'm gonna like cut all my calories or do something really stupid .
Speaker 2So getting people to not do that , especially like if you're in that state , you're asking AI these questions and stuff . I don't know how it's gonna respond if it's gonna , but yeah so I think that's where the human kind of side of coaching is is really useful yes , um , that is also something it's .
Speaker 2I think the accountability is something it's just , I wouldn't say reporting , but responding to a human versus responding to machine yeah , you're gonna have more of that connection
Exercise Selection and Adjustments
Speaker 2with a human versus like an ai , I would assume , or like that's how I feel anyway .
Speaker 1Well , yeah , you can say that , and you know , machine has no feelings versus a human , versus like an ai , I would assume , or like that's how I feel anyway . Well , yeah , you can say that , and you know , machine has no feelings versus a human and there are people pleasing right .
Speaker 2So like because there's been times where , like , I've wrote things into chat to bt and I'm like , like they always try to like be positive , like they tell you what you want to hear . Yeah , yeah , they tell you what you want to hear . Where's they tell you what you want to hear ? Whereas like an actual coach is like hey , man , like you do this , like this is gonna be the actual outcome .
Speaker 1I really highly suggest you do not do this , whereas I feel like it might kind of be too agreeable at times yeah , I know like they don't tell you stuff that we we talk about off camera me , so that that's also the fun part , where um with somebody who tells you it's not something that you like to hear , I just prefer it that way . They call me old school , but I would much prefer it if somebody just yells at me instead of just telling me something that's just softened as the blow . If you soften a blow for me , me , it doesn't work .
Speaker 2for me it just says like , okay , so I got away with it and uh , yeah , and that's where , like the coaching relationship works , because , like there's some people where I have to be a lot more harsh when it comes to the coaching . There's other people that , yeah , like they need a bit more of a softer approach or else they just get super emotional and blow up if you're like too aggressive with it .
Speaker 2So , knowing your clientele , like okay like this person likes to be coached this way . This person likes a bit more of an aggressive coach , um , and that's where I'm sure it might be able to figure it out over time . But I don't know .
Speaker 1I just don't think we're quite at that point yet yeah , but all in all , from a programming standpoint , it is like AI is learning fairly quickly . I would say that it's only a matter of time that it will manage the same programs that we pump out . The other thing is it just cannot produce is the same accountability and the same detail within the given time frame . And the same detail , uh , within the given time frame . I , that's the only thing I I think it cannot give , unless all of a sudden , you know , uh , technology just blows up and basically we're living . You know what iron man is living ? You're like it's literally talking to you like a human . That's a different story .
Speaker 2And then you have a robot physically saying get off your ass exactly , yeah , exactly , I don't like I'm sure , like give it like 10 , 15 years , like , yeah , like we might not have the same kind of job when it comes to like coaching , like they likely will be able to have , be smart when it comes to programming and all these kind of things , which is definitely a scary thought to have . But then it's like I'm sure , like you just have to adapt with it , like I think , with ai now being able to use it for certain things that it's good at to help make you a better coach . I feel like it's going to be something like in the future where maybe it gets to the point where it is smarter than us . But then it's like okay , we can utilize it together with like the human experience and like its knowledge and then combine like a really good program or provide a very good coaching service .
Speaker 2Um , but yeah , it's , I don't know , it's gonna be interesting , I feel , like in the future , because I I know with um , like meta and stuff with it going into virtual reality , like like , with like potentially even coaching like that , with like the glasses on , like being like a personal trainer for somebody that's like in a different country , I'm sure like that will be something . I don't know if that's already happening , but that could be something too . But yeah , no , there's just so many uncertainties , I guess , with AI in the future , with what that's going to look like for coaching , what's that's even going to look like for any job , because like they're gonna like I don't know it's .
Speaker 1It's a very weird , weird thing to think about yeah , but there is something that ai that cannot replace is manual , manual therapy . So any sort of manual therapy or any sort of manual service I don't think it can replace . So there are like health and beauty stuff that they can't replace Kinesiologists , they can't replace . Physio , they can't replace . Rmt , they can't replace . But , yeah , it could actually replace quite a bit of other stuff . I don't know about psychiatrists , I don't know psychiatrist ?
Speaker 2I don't know about that . I would say , if they become smarter than a university psychologist , teacher or whatever , because I'm sure they'll get to a point where it's like that Even with physios they'll be able to scan your whole body , probably in the future , and understand what the hell is going on .
Speaker 1I feel like pretty much .
Speaker 2There's probably a possibility for them to like take over every single job , like even with the physio , like manual therapy , like I'm sure there could be , like a humanoid robot that can actually do tissue massages and stuff like that in the future .
Speaker 1So oh yeah , you're not wrong , because they're massage chairs now right , yeah , oh shit okay yeah , all right , let's . Let's just hope that this day doesn't come that soon , at least way after beyond our time , so we'll still have a job .
Speaker 2Yeah . But no , I think it's just yeah being able to use like all the tools as a coach . Like I feel like if you aren't trying to utilize like AI to some degree to help you with your coaching , even like like I don't think like trying to get all your knowledge from like ai right now isn't the best thing . Like I don't think you're not going to be able to write like a really well done program .
Speaker 2You need that personal experience , you need working with clients , you need all that information , like the actual research and be able to understand properly , because I know ai sometimes , when it's summarizing things can be um , it does seem to be getting better , but uh , I have seen sometimes where it's like , okay , I'm not really certain , like that's what
Human Coaching vs AI Coaching
Speaker 2they're trying to say in this post , kind of thing .
Speaker 1Yeah , I agree . So what we're basically saying is what we're really trying to say is if you need coaching , come find us because we're happy to help . Yeah , that's basically what we wanted to just bring to everybody's attention is , yes , ai is a good tool , but we would highly recommend a . You know , have somebody , a coach , to actually look at it , and that type of volume might not fit you . You know , some at work it's a hit or miss here , but if you get to talk to a coach , actually a human person , it's just more accurate to assess what your needs and versus what you wants are .
Speaker 1Now , as Brandon also just said , a lot of them , a lot of AI , like in JetGBT , it's a lot of people pleasing stuff . If you they , they might not understand . The system might not understand what your needs might be . It really is just all everything that you input into it and , based on what you input it , it gives you an answer just on that . Now , there are a lot of different variables that you have may not hold the the ai , so it wouldn't put that into consideration . But just talking to another person , we could probably figure it out through your voice , the way you say stuff , and we'll ask questions like I don't know how , I don't know how ai ask uh deeper questions , but I haven't ran into any yet yeah , they will sometimes like , if you ask a specific question , they will ask to like dive a little bit deeper into it .
Speaker 2But yeah , like I don't know if it would be the best at asking the right questions for like programming for to like dive a little bit deeper into it . But yeah , like I don't know if it would be the best at asking the right questions for like programming for to like really fine-tune things to yourself , like there would have to be like a lot of like complex , I would say prompts to try to get things to be like perfect for you .
Speaker 1I would say it's currently , at its current state , it's probably not going to produce the best outcome I know we I I know we dove a little deep with the AI stuff , which we're not really meant to , but we wanted to just make a point out on progressive overload and when to actually apply them . That's pretty much what our main point was going to surround ourselves with is when is a good time to progress overload and when is a good time to pull back and just giving pointers on identifying when is it a good time , instead of just pushing yourself mindlessly week after week after week after week . And one of my pointers is something that I think you made a really good point on is understanding a program is going to be the same and it doesn't require a lot of change . You know why change stuff if it's working . So that is something that I think you you made a really good point and which I which I felt really strongly about is just making that same point , even though , no matter circumstances , I think that's something that you really need to just pay attention and just keep going .
Speaker 1And it's a lonely sport . You know , bodybuilding is a lonely sport . The communities here , we're all here for you . We'll just support and just root for you all that way , uh , but yeah , progressing that just week after week , and that's just the way to do it there . It's also the smartest way if you not just ask our what the who's the science ? Who's the science genius ?
Speaker 2uh , jeff nippert , right , oh yeah , probably say the same thing , yeah one thing I would say too like , if you are going to change your program , like , don't try to re-change every single exercise . Let you just swap out a couple um exercises , maybe change slight rep ranges , just so you're not like starting fresh with everything like that's . That's where I would say I would see the most mistake when it comes to changing the program is like swapping literally everything out and like when we started fresh , whereas just making some minute changes um to maybe a couple because like more complex exercises like , say , doing like a hacks or like a bar barbell , rdl or something like that .
Speaker 2You want to have that in there for a large portion of time . Something like a dumbbell creature curl . That's quite easy to learn . It's not going to be as hard to master , so something like that could probably be switched out a little bit quicker . So just knowing those movements that should be switched out sooner and switched out a little bit later as well , yeah , I agree , good point .
Speaker 1Any final words for us ?
Speaker 2um no , just I just uh .
Speaker 1It's gonna be an interesting future with ai I agree , I agree , but , yeah , rather shorter episode today . Um , we , we just wanted to get that point out . Just speaking of bodybuilding seasons , we've got Saskatchewan , I think , in WF Canada , saskatchewan coming in about two weeks . Is that right ? Last few W Canada shows before before the pro show at Calgary . Pro show in Calgary is going to be uh , 11 , wait , 11th or 12th of October . Yeah , I think it's . I think the 11th sounds , sounds right , something like that . Right , and then the 12th on the pro show . So that's going to be the last fall show of this year and then it's going to be worlds at November in LA this year . Are you going to be the last fall show of this year and then it's going to be Worlds at November in LA this year . Are you going to go to Worlds ?
Speaker 2Probably not . Are you thinking about going or no ?
Speaker 1No , no , no , no , no . Wife has still got school and she's like in her last semester , so it's going to be a dick move for me to leave to LA , which she hasn't been before . Just go by myself , you know that's not such a dick move . I don't think I'll I'll be able to do that . Yeah , closing out this episode . So thanks guys for uh listening . We'll probably see you guys next time . Okay , see ya .