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Deuteronomy Overview
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This episode explores Deuteronomy as the foundation for understanding the rest of Scripture. Given through Moses, it establishes the covenant framework that shapes the prophets, the ministry of Jesus, and the teaching of the apostles. Deuteronomy helps us read the Bible as one unified redemptive story.
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SPEAKER_03:Hey everybody, welcome back to Teach Me the Bible Podcast. My name is Alex Wolfe, and as always, I'm here with Dr. David Klingler. And today we're starting a brand new series in the book of Deuteronomy. And I got to tell you, I'm excited for this one. I think Deuteronomy gets a bad rap in some circles, right? People, people want to avoid this book. But this has become one of my favorite books. And in a lot of the circles we hang around in here and places we teach, it's become the favorite for a lot of people. Um, as scripture is going to refer to it a lot. And understanding this book really is a key to unlocking uh the interpretation of much of scripture. And so I'm really excited to jump into this book. Uh, Doc, you want to help us kind of understand? We're gonna kind of overview today a little bit of what's going on in this book, uh, and then we're gonna dive in as always into the details as we go along. But uh, can you help us get oriented to this book to understand what talk about the importance of it?
Dr. David Klingler:One of the um assignments, uh I you know, I don't know, who did you have for Genesis to judges at the seminary? I think I had Dr. Allman, so I didn't have this.
SPEAKER_03:So you didn't but I did that assignment you're about to talk about, I did it sort of retroactively.
Dr. David Klingler:Okay, so so there's an assignment that that I was actually for uh forced to do, it was assigned to us when I was a student at the seminary. And um and what it you know it's it's it had many different names. But but basically the Deuteronomy Project. Yeah, the Deuteronomy Project or the effects of uh the effect of the law on on the Bible.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:Um the the books that come after Deuteronomy, um, the former prophets we call them, um, you know, Joshua, Judges, first and second Samuel, first and second Kings, those books are uh commonly referred to in hierarchical circles and in Old Testament circles as the Deuteronomic History. Yes. Uh that uh that you cannot interpret the history of Israel apart from Deuteronomy. Um it it it provides the morality, the ethic of uh of the story. You know, how do you tell if a character is a good character, a bad character, if they're doing right or they're doing wrong? Yeah. And uh it's the standard by which you're evaluating everything. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But it's not just uh in the the former prophets, right? So then we have the latter prophets, what you know, so we're talking kind of Hebrew Bible categories here, but the latter prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, even Daniel, uh, who's not in Hebrew Bible, he's not in that section, but we we regard him as the prophet. Right. Um, this the Psalms, the the writings, all the whole Old Testament is all very much dependent upon Deuteronomy. And so a lot of Deuteronomy, as we'll see when we start uh is a rehearsal of what has happened in Israel's past, yeah, since the Exodus taken um to the land. Yeah, uh, and so there's so much here in the book of Deuteronomy.
SPEAKER_03:I remember everything's pointing back to Deuteronomy, which is the conclusion to Torah, and it's reflecting on a lot of what's already happened.
Dr. David Klingler:Yeah, it's kind of a the hinge book, and and so I remember distinctly, and I tell this story all the time, you've probably already heard it if you've been listening listening to Teach Me the Bible Podcast. But but when I was in my first class at seminary, Charlie Bayless was the professor, and uh, you know, I was just there to try to learn the Bible. Yeah, and when we came to the book of Deuteronomy, the the course is uh covers uh Genesis through Judges, and so we're moving pretty quickly. But there was a lot of time devoted to not only the book of Deuteronomy, but this Deuteronomy project. And basically what the Deuteronomy Project did is it is it gave you an Old Testament passage in Deuteronomy, you mostly in Deuteronomy. There was some Exodus and Leviticus, and we'll we'll get to those books, but but uh Deuteronomy. Uh and then it would um take you to another passage later in the Bible.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:And it would say, okay, summarized what's going on in the Deuteronomy passage. Um you know, you were not to the king was to make a copy of the law and he was multi not to multiply horses and wives and riches.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
Dr. David Klingler:Um, and then um, you know, you go to a later passage, and you know, the king is multiplying horses and wives and riches, and you go, okay, uh, that's not good. Right, right. And that was really all that you were supposed to do.
SPEAKER_03:But without the Deuteronomy passage, you wouldn't really know what to do with that. Yeah. Other passage.
Dr. David Klingler:Yeah, you're like, oh well, that's nice. He has horses. I like horses. Yeah, and yeah. And everybody likes to be rich. And you know, so you so you didn't know how to interpret it. And uh, and and the question really becomes how far reaching is the book of Deuteronomy?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:Uh, and so we don't only go through the former prophets, the latter prophets, the writings, right? Uh, if you think about Psalm 1, um most people don't uh connect that to Deuteronomy 6 and Shema, but you you ought to, right? Um you know, and blesses the man who does not sit or walk or stand. That's good. Um but uh but the the law they're instructed there to speak of these things as they sit and walk and stand. Uh and uh and so there's a contract, but his meditation uh contrasts it. There's the his meditation is on the law, and he yeah, he thinks of it night and day. And uh and so we think, oh that's nice, you know, it's it's you know, so that helps you interpret the old testament. Well, um we need to go further than that. So so the the project takes them into the gospels, into the new testament, into all of the epistles, not just the epistles written to Israel, but but uh you know, Gentile epistles.
SPEAKER_03:I remember there was one with the woman caught in adultery, which we talked about in John a little bit.
Dr. David Klingler:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and and how do we and should we uh first of all, there's a textual issue there, but but then you know refer to the John podcast. But it but but then you ask the question, should um not only should that passage be in the Bible, but if it is, how are we to interpret that? How do we understand that? What's actually going on there? And so Dr. Um Dr. Bayless in this in this class, he was telling a story about when he was in seminary, and Dr. Pentecost was his professor, uh, who had been at the seminary forever, and I took him, you know, 60 years, he was there just about then. And uh and Dr. Pentecost said, the most important book in the Bible for understanding the Bible, right? Is the book of Deuteronomy. Yeah. And um and uh Dr. Bayless, you know, said I thought that he was crazy at the time. And I remember sitting there thinking, well, that you know, okay. Yeah, and he and Dr. Bayliss said, Well, and and now I'm telling you that that's right. Yeah. And I thought, well, that makes two of you that are nuts. You know, and and but but as you read the book of Deuteronomy, as you see the impact, and and really every every prophet that comes after Moses has to agree with Moses. Um, they can't tell a different story, they can't present a different God, they can't present anything different than what Moses has presented. And so, really, all of the Bible goes back to the authority of Moses. Jesus's own um uh testimony, his own identity goes back, he appeals to Moses, right? In John chapter five. And yes, don't think that I will accuse you before the Father, Jesus tells the Pharisees. The one who accused you is Moses, in whom you put your trust. If you believe Moses, you'd believe me, for Moses wrote of me. Yeah. Well, how is it that Moses wrote of Jesus? And so we've got the greater prophet passage of Deuteronomy chapter 18. We've got all the prophets who come after Moses are going to be evaluated by what Moses says in Deuteronomy chapter 13. Um, the blessings and the curses, um, you know, Israel's whole existence. How do they uh, you know, what happens if they rebel against the Lord? When they rebel, how do they get restored? That's Deuteronomy chapter 30. Um, the whole history of Israel, Deuteronomy chapter 32, the the Ten Commandments, Deuteronomy chapter 5. Huge. Um, so uh and then there's all of these just kind of passing comments that are made in the book of Deuteronomy that if you don't have those, you don't know how to interpret later stories. So, so I the book of Deuteronomy is just huge. Now what it's not is a lot of um common practical daily application for the New Testament believer. Yes, right. So good point, you know, uh what we don't do is go and and be analogous or or principalize or something like that. Yeah. No, if you want to understand the old testament story, uh then you have to understand the book of Deuteronomy. And the the problem with not understanding the Old Testament is the Old Testament is promised to be, you know, Moses' covenant is promised to be replaced by a new covenant.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:Which the Lord will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. Not like the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke. That's Deuteronomy, uh, that's uh Jeremiah 31, 31. Uh and so the the New Testament, what we call the New Testament, I I don't know that I'm crazy about that you know separating it somehow from the old yeah, it's a it's a continuation of the the same story. Um as John explains in his gospel, Christ, you know, Jesus came to his own and his own did not receive him. Uh he's named Jesus, Yahweh says, because he will save his people from their sins. And then that takes you back into Isaiah and back into Jeremiah and back into uh Deuteronomy chapter 28, the blessings and the curses in Deuteronomy chapter 30, and how do they get restored? And why are they being called to to return to the Lord? And if they return to the Lord, they'll be restored from captivity. And why are the twelve tribes dispersed in the book of James? And and you know, it just goes on and on and on.
SPEAKER_03:And why is Jesus called Christ the Lord? Yeah, Christ called it.
Dr. David Klingler:Those are all Old Testament names, that's it. That's exactly right. And so um, so what happens to us as Gentile believers is we we start in the Gospel of John, um, we learn um Jesus stories, not a Jesus story, not the Gospel of John or the guy the Gospel of Matthew or Mark or Luke. We lose we we learn Jesus stories, plural, in isolation. Um we learn a few verses out of um different epistles, and we add to um that, or maybe add those stories to our theology, what we've been told to believe about salvation, about end times, about whatever it is. Right. Um spirit, angels, you know, gifts of the spirit, whatever. All the systematic theology, how to do church, all of those things that that we are we are asked and told that this is what you're supposed to believe. Um one of the valuable things that uh we that I love about the seminary is that um that that you get a chance to learn church history and you learn kind of how these groups kind of evolved and came to be and how they justify themselves and and it raises the question of who's right um and how do we then correctly interpret the Bible. Um and so if we start at the beginning, Book of Genesis, rather than the book of John. If we start at the beginning, the book of Genesis, and and we read, uh then we uh connect Genesis to Exodus and Exodus, uh it flows right into Leviticus and Numbers, and then we get this pause in the action. Uh this is you know the book of Deuteronomy is these are Moses' last words to Israel as they are about to take the land. Um there's a lot of um there's a lot of narrative space, there's a lot of uh of content here, uh, but it doesn't take very long.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:Uh and so Israel is on the plains of Moab. Uh they're about to take the land, they're opposite Jericho at a place called Shatim, where they play the the uh the harlot with the Baal Pa'or. Um, and you know that's back in you know Numbers 23, 24, 25. You get the Balaam oracles and uh and then the book of Deuteronomy. It's a whole book, but it's it's just uh you know and they're about to leave Moses in the dust, literally.
SPEAKER_03:That's right.
Dr. David Klingler:Yeah, and yeah, and so so you know, this is a uh the the pace slows to a crawl, and you hear Moses' last words to Israel as they're about to take the land. And and as you then read how they take the land in Joshua, in Judges, in Samuel, uh in Kings, and you watch this play out, uh, you're you're you ought to be hearing Moses' words ring in your ears, saying, uh oh, this isn't good. Yeah, that's Moses said you never obeyed when you were with me. Yeah, yeah. That's not expected much better. That's right. Yeah. And it but it also casts a shadow on on all the books of the Bible. And and I remember when I was going through um uh the the the seminary, and then there's all kinds of debate about this, but you know, and this is why uh you know, ordering of the books, dating of the books, which books came first becomes really important. One of the things that you'll hear uh if you're around biblical studies, particularly scholarly biblical studies, is um is the dating of Deuteronomy. You'll hear people say Moses didn't write Deuteronomy. Moses didn't write Torah, he didn't write any of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus Numbers or Deuteronomy. Uh that these were these came from source documents, there's all kinds of views and documentary hypotheses and all that. Um why does that matter? Well, it matters because if Moses didn't write it, if now extreme, you know, there's some extreme um views on Israel's history that it never happened, and and so that that's kind of I think waned a bit with some archaeological finds and and uh you know an archaeology doesn't prove the Bible to be true, right? Um but certainly if you're gonna claim that there was never an Israel in the land, and then you find archaeological evidence of of Israel in the land, a a house of David, sure uh that you know that becomes problematic to your view, sure that none of this ever happened, it's all a fairy tale. But but if the law, according to the hierarchic, was written after the history, uh then how are you to interpret the history if it if the history precedes the law? Yeah, right. It kind of becomes retroactive. Um books like uh the the book of Ruth, right? If you take the law and you separate it out from the book of Ruth, uh then you don't have much in the book of Ruth. Uh it's a romance, it's yeah, it's just a yeah, it's just some some story. Um but if um you know if uh Ruth judges Samuel Kings Chronicles, Psalms, Proverbs, um Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, good, uh, Romans, uh, you know, and you think of Romans 9 through 11, and you're gonna get quotes of uh out of Deuteronomy 32 and uh and quotes out of uh out of the out of law. Um and then the consummation um has the what Moses said would happen in Deuteronomy 32, we refer to that all the time, uh the because uh it is Moses's telling of what's going to happen in world history, in human history, yeah, from the beginning, yeah, starting all the way to the end, yeah, right? Um and uh and we've watched this play out in revelation, yeah. Yeah, and so our how are we to understand the imagery, the language of the book of of Revelation? Uh well, if if you uh track with the church from the third century on, um then you have a very different view of if you listen to the first, second, third century of the church uh in old um, they're trying to make sense of the history that's around them, yeah. Yeah, and so what happens always in eschatology is that people will interpret um biblical passages in view of their present experience, uh and that's problematic, yeah. Right? Uh but the the question then becomes well, then okay, if that's not the right way to do it, then what is the right way to do it?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, fair.
Dr. David Klingler:Um, well, how do you interpret uh Isaiah? How do you interpret Hosea? How do you interpret uh Jeremiah, Ezekiel, these books that look towards end times, right? Zephaniah, Zechariah, Malachi, all of them. How would you interpret those? Well, what is there a uh a template by which you're to understand everything that's happening? Well, uh this is where Paul in Romans 9 through 11, I think, is helpful. Yes. Paul is this is after Christ's death, burial, resurrection, and he is still looking towards a future restoration uh to uh for Israel.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely.
Dr. David Klingler:Um my interest in Old Testament began when I was teaching New Testament. Uh I was teaching at a Bible college, and um the the I remember having this thought that it sure seems like everything Jesus is saying and doing is coming out of the Old Testament. I wonder if that's true, right? Um, of course it is because uh shame we have to ask that question. Well, well it's part of the process. Yeah, I'm thinking, now wait a second. Uh well, yeah, all of his words and all of his works are validation of his identity as foretold in the old testament. And then I started to think, well, what about other you know persons, characters, writers in the New Testament? How are they using the Old Testament? And there's different uh ideas about that, you know, um, and there's all kinds of categories, and people go to the books and go to the categories rather than to go to the individual text to see if these things are so. And so I just got a long list, okay. Uh who's the guy who ought to know the Old Testament the best? I said, Well, I guess Paul. Paul's a Pharisee. Yeah, um and so I started going through Paul. And what I realized uh I I remember thinking Paul and Matthew, those were kind of the the two that I started with, and I was thinking, okay, Matthew, you're not using the Old Testament like the Old Testament uses it. Yeah, and I'd go back and I'd go and I'd read and I'd say, uh, wait a second, may maybe I'm not understanding the Old Testament correctly. Maybe I'm not understanding what Matthew's saying correctly. Maybe I'm not understanding either one. And as I looked at it more and more and said, Wait a second, I think Matthew knows what he's talking about. I think Paul knows what he's talking about. And it comes down to what the text says. Is the Bible presenting a unified presentation of human history?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:And if it is, then the foundation of that is in Deuteronomy 32, uh, the Song of Moses. And this is why Paul's appealing to it. It's why all of the prophets are telling the same story. Yes. They're singing the same song. So not only is Deuteronomy a book that has to be understood to interpret uh the details of the text, is this character a good character or a bad character? Uh, how am I to uh to understand this? Um, how do I evaluate this person in light of the law? Why are they trying to stone Jesus? Why are they trying to stone Stephen, Paul, whatever?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:Um, on what grounds are they doing that? That's all law.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:Um so understanding the details uh of the text so that you can interpret it correctly.
SPEAKER_02:That's right.
Dr. David Klingler:Um, one story that comes to mind that everyone knows uh is the parable of the prodigal son. Uh that story is a story that is told all the time. Yes. Um and it fits right into the gospel of Luke. And the question is asked by Jesus, uh, of Jesus, by the Pharisees, why do you eat with tax gathers and sinners? I mean, that's basically the question. The tax gathers and sinners are coming near to Jesus, and he was receiving them, and the Pharisees and the scribes began to grumble, saying, This man receives sinners and eats with him.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
Dr. David Klingler:And so he told them this parable, it says. And actually, there's three parables back to back. There's a man with a hundred sheep, the woman with ten coins, and there's a man with two sons. And every detail in these stories, especially the man with two sons, comes out of Deuteronomy. It is the judgment. That's exactly well, and and the unclean animals and the I mean, every detail of this uh of this story is coming out of Deuteronomy. And the man uh repents, he comes to his senses, it says, and he says, Here's what I will do, I will return to my father. You know, sons I have reared, but they have rebelled against me, Deuteronomy 32, Deuteronomy 30. When you're in the land where the Lord your God has banished you, and you call these things to mind, the blessing and the curse, and you return to the Lord your God, he will restore you from captivity, and he will have compassion upon you. Um this is Jesus is telling a parable out of Deuteronomy 28, 29 and 30.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:Uh that uh the sinners have repented and returned to the Lord by coming to Christ. And he's received them and he's had compassion upon them. Um but the sinner doesn't recognize he's a sinner and he's unwilling to repent and return. Uh we've turned the prodigal son into something very different than what it was. Um this is just that's just one example of of a myriad of examples that we could use uh from the New Testament. Uh the uh the the the Good Samaritan parable, same thing. Um all of these parables are coming out of the Old Testament and out of Deuteronomy.
SPEAKER_03:And so Deuteronomy is often illustrating to the unbelieving Jews where they have erred in this whole thing. Absolutely. So he's appealing back to Moses.
Dr. David Klingler:Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Um the uh um Hosea story, yeah, that's that's Deuteronomy 32. Uh Isaiah um beaten head to toe, yeah, uh, with no one to anoint with oil. That's Deuteronomy 32. Yeah. Um Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Romans, Acts, Ephesians. If you don't know Deuteronomy 32, you you have no shot because it doesn't just interpret the details, it also tells you what's going to happen in human history. Absolutely. Otherwise, uh, you're gonna come to the third century and you're going to replace Israel with the Gentiles. The promises made to Israel are being fulfilled by the Gentiles, and you're gonna make no sense of Romans 9 through 11, no sense of any of the eschatological passages, which don't come from the New Testament. Uh they're Old Testament passages. Absolutely. Uh they're promises to Israel, and you're gonna make no sense of the book of Revelation.
SPEAKER_03:Uh, and you're going to say, well, this is just good overcomes evil, and you know you're gonna make no sense of why Gentiles are in the picture in the New Testament either.
Dr. David Klingler:Well, sure. I mean that's a big thing. Yeah, sure. And there's a lot of confusion. And if you're logical, you you're gonna run into some some some problems with your views of um election and you know, and right and uh you know there's just all kinds of problems that you come into. And what happens then, and this is in every camp. So this is just in some camps, this is in every camp. What happens is we then interpret the text with our theological system. Yeah, we impose our theological system on the text we prove, you know, that becomes the glasses through which we view the text, yes, and uh and we make the text fit our system rather than reading the text from beginning to end.
SPEAKER_03:And letting the text interpret the text, yeah, and form a system, yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:And form a uh a conclusion, a group of conclusions about how we ought to understand uh the story, yeah, God's redemptive history, and categorize certain things, you know. You know, um if you uh some uh I think it was this this semester, I was asking students, we were talking about um, do things change in story? Uh and I asked them, you know, we had we had uh somehow we got talking about Star Wars, and I'm not a Star Wars person, but but I know enough about it. I watched the movie when it was original, originally came out, the first one in. And I asked, well, is Darth Vader a good character or a bad one? And some of the students paused. They said, Well, it depends. It depends on when you're talking about in in his life in the story. You know, he starts off as a good character, goes to the dark side in the end. He's actually the one that I don't know, whether restores order to the whatever force or something like that.
SPEAKER_03:Whatever. I don't know it well enough either. But so he ends up good at the end, yeah.
Dr. David Klingler:Uh but but the question is uh how are you know could you categorize um that character as good or bad? Well, no, because uh things change and things change in story. That's what happens with plot and plot development. And that is uh kind of brings us full circle in our discussion to um uh to why you you can't go uh find a bunch of practical daily application in the book of Leviticus and in the book of Deuteronomy, because it wasn't written to us, it was written uh to help us understand for our instruction, and certainly for Israel's uh instruction. They were to do it, right? So when we talk about Old Testament application, um this is their Old Testament application. Yes, you do this, you go to the land, you follow the instruction of the Lord, and here's how you are to live. And if you don't do it, and if you go after foreign gods, then the Lord will kick you out of the land, which he promised to your uh fathers to possess, he will scatter you among the nations, he will cause you to perish, uh, and there you will die, and you will suffer all the plagues that were put on Egypt, war, famine, death, it's all gonna come on you uh until you return to the Lord. And then he will have compassion on you. Yeah, that's exactly right. And so so Deuteronomy. You want to understand the Bible? Understand Deuteronomy. Absolutely. If you want to understand the Bible, understand Torah.
SPEAKER_03:Uh and so uh Yeah, and when you understand Deuteronomy and then you start reading these other texts, that's when it becomes so exciting. Oh, yeah. That's when the book just you start to realize its significance and and you start to realize the confidence that it gives you in interpreting these other texts, and then Deuteronomy just comes alive. But like you're saying, if you're just reading it looking for personal application or enrichment or something like that, I think that's why most people find it. Or theological principles because they don't see it. They're like, How does this relate?
Dr. David Klingler:This is not yeah, this doesn't have anything to do with me, so I don't care. Exactly. Uh and so if you've ever tried to read the Bible, this is this is why you quit reading about uh three-quarters of the way through Exodus, right? You made it through Genesis, you made it through Exodus, this isn't bad, and then you got to the tabernacle, you're like, this is horrible. Uh I don't care about lampstands, yeah. Lampstands and purple curtains, and then it repeats it again, and then you turn, you flip forward to Leviticus, you're going, this doesn't get any better, right? And so you just abort the whole reading of the Bible thing, and you say, I'm going back to Fabio.
SPEAKER_02:Nobody ever makes it to Deuteronomy. Yeah. That's right.
Dr. David Klingler:Yeah. But I remember I used to um on the my class for Genesis to Judges, I was driving back and forth, and back then we had d C Ds. And so we I'd pop in the Deuteronomy C D uh into the car, you know, you know, the car. Actually, we had the six discs changer, so I'd I'd preload six of them, you know, and and uh the old guys will remember those days. And and uh and you listen to uh Deuteronomy uh going up uh and I remember so many times going, wait a second, that's in Deuteronomy. Yeah, I thought that was you know in Matthew. That that's Deuteronomy, you know, that that's talking about what Jesus says in Matthew or what Jesus says in you know in Luke or John and or what Paul is saying in Ephesians. How is that in Deuteronomy, you know? And um, and so it was just really eye-opening. So so as we go through here, we will highlight those points. Uh we'll highlight uh places where um you need to understand these passages to look forward to future events. Um, you know, Shemai, Israel, Adonaiel, Hainu, uh chapter six, chapter seven, we're gonna, you know, hear about why Israel was to utterly destroy the Amrit, Hittite, Canaan, all the Its, um, because the Lord is a jealous God, and they've been warned many times. You've already seen this. They this just happened to them in the plains of Moab at Shatim, opposite of Jericho. And so the warning is very real. We're gonna watch them go immediately and intermarry with uh, you know, make a covenant with the Givingite. I mean, just it's just gonna go.
SPEAKER_03:It's always immediate. It's it's always immediate. Yeah, it's golden calves, it's always immediate. Yeah, it's exactly right.
Dr. David Klingler:Uh, and so the the significance of understanding the old testament story, being able to interpret it, uh, and then that will help you interpret the prophets, right? So um, right now, uh if you've not uh don't have a good understanding of Israel's history and Torah, uh then you know the book of Isaiah is uh a collection of just uh suffering servant passages, maybe. Maybe if uh if you know if you've studied New Testament, you know, you know that those are quoted. Maybe Isaiah 7, 14, virgin birth of Christ. That's good. Um you've got um Jeremiah 29, 11, it's about all you got in Jeremiah. You know, I know the plans I have for you, a future and a hope. Yeah, um if you don't know Deuteronomy, that passage makes no sense. If you know Deuteronomy, you know exactly what's being said there. Uh and you know that uh the restoration, the return, the partial return of a few thousand uh is not it. Yeah, uh that that that's not anything. In fact, uh when we get uh to you know some of these New Testament or Old Testament books, uh Ezra, Nehemiah, and and Haggai, they're they're lamenting over how this isn't what was foretold. Yeah, uh, and so we're still looking towards a future uh restoration. Um and and so much of uh of the Bible comes into clear understanding, but it will also possibly conflict with what you've been told about the Bible. Uh and that's what I found that uh what I was told the Bible said wasn't what the Bible said, right? It was a system being imposed upon uh upon uh the story. One last example. When we get to uh for example for uh Ephesians, you know, uh the redemption of God's own possession. There's this phrase that's there. Um well, we're gonna see this phrase all the way. It's gonna be introduced in uh in Exodus, it's gonna be repeated uh several times in Deuteronomy throughout the prophets, and you're still looking for the redemption of God's own possession, his people Israel. It's absolutely yeah, it's absolutely right. Deuteronomy 7, there's several places that we're gonna see this uh uh this statement. Uh and so if you understand the Bible, understand Deuteronomy. Yeah, absolutely. Uh and so that's the trail that we're gonna go off on, and and it's an exciting one. So uh invite you to come along with us.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, absolutely. Well, I hope you're excited. I know I said in the beginning I'm excited to jump in. I hope uh through this episode you get a taste of that and that you're excited to jump in. And at the very least, I hope you're excited to learn Deuteronomy 32. We talked about it a lot, but that means you're gonna have to stick with us over the next several weeks because it's gonna take a while to get there. And so if you're listening as we release them week by week, stick with us. Learn this entire book. It's gonna be so helpful for you in your reading of scripture. And so uh stick with us. I'm excited to jump in and we'll see you next week as we start in chapter one.
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