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Right?"},{"speaker":"Tomer Afek","startTime":913.87,"endTime":917.89,"body":"If you are in a waiting position"},{"speaker":"Tomer Afek","startTime":913.87,"endTime":917.89,"body":"for three years, all this time"},{"speaker":"Tomer Afek","startTime":917.89,"endTime":920.35,"body":"in between when you've been"},{"speaker":"Tomer Afek","startTime":917.89,"endTime":920.35,"body":"waiting for the reward, it's"},{"speaker":"Tomer Afek","startTime":920.35,"endTime":925.93,"body":"time that you couldn't make your"},{"speaker":"Tomer Afek","startTime":920.35,"endTime":925.93,"body":"newly acquired money work for"},{"speaker":"Tomer Afek","startTime":925.93,"endTime":931.66,"body":"you in some fashion. 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