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I'm not as active"},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3418.85,"endTime":3423.86,"body":"on the Twitter or Instagram."},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3418.85,"endTime":3423.86,"body":"However, our projects that we"},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3423.86,"endTime":3430.16,"body":"fund, they're all on Twitter. So"},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3423.86,"endTime":3430.16,"body":"you can find me again, LK"},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3430.16,"endTime":3433.46,"body":"Shelley on LinkedIn. And then if"},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3430.16,"endTime":3433.46,"body":"you want to learn a bit more"},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3433.88,"endTime":3438.23,"body":"about our initiatives and NFT"},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3433.88,"endTime":3438.23,"body":"projects, they can go to Twitter"},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3438.68,"endTime":3447.95,"body":"at Maven Art on Instagram, and"},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3438.68,"endTime":3447.95,"body":"also Twitter."},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3447.98,"endTime":3450.59,"body":"Lovely. LK, thanks"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3447.98,"endTime":3450.59,"body":"so much for coming on. Really"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3450.59,"endTime":3454.79,"body":"appreciate it and learned a ton"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3450.59,"endTime":3454.79,"body":"had a blast. And you are truly"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3454.79,"endTime":3458.51,"body":"an NFT goat and I'd love to"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3454.79,"endTime":3458.51,"body":"speak more about this. So we'll"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3458.51,"endTime":3460.58,"body":"definitely have you on for round"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3458.51,"endTime":3460.58,"body":"two in the near future. Thanks"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3460.58,"endTime":3462.05,"body":"again and hope you had a blast."},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3460.58,"endTime":3462.05,"body":"Appreciate it."},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3462.14,"endTime":3464.69,"body":"Thank you so much."},{"speaker":"LK Shelley","startTime":3462.14,"endTime":3464.69,"body":"This is super fun. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3464.81,"endTime":3468.92,"body":"Folks. This was LK"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3464.81,"endTime":3468.92,"body":"Shelly from affinity ventures"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3468.92,"endTime":3472.67,"body":"also known as AVM. What a treat"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3468.92,"endTime":3472.67,"body":"of an episode, one of the goats"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3472.7,"endTime":3476.57,"body":"in the NFT space. As always, we"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3472.7,"endTime":3476.57,"body":"are dropping episodes on Mondays"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3476.57,"endTime":3479.39,"body":"and Thursdays in the summer and"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3476.57,"endTime":3479.39,"body":"we will soon be going to Mondays"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3479.39,"endTime":3483.14,"body":"Wednesdays and Fridays back in"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3479.39,"endTime":3483.14,"body":"September back in the grind. I'm"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3483.14,"endTime":3485.78,"body":"very excited for that. As always"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3483.14,"endTime":3485.78,"body":"with me in the world if you"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3485.78,"endTime":3487.64,"body":"could subscribe. We hope you"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3485.78,"endTime":3487.64,"body":"enjoyed this episode. I"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3487.64,"endTime":3490.49,"body":"certainly did. Love you all"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3487.64,"endTime":3490.49,"body":"appreciate you all listening."},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3490.7,"endTime":3494.09,"body":"Stay safe and we will keep in"},{"speaker":"Matt Zahab","startTime":3490.7,"endTime":3494.09,"body":"touch bye for now."}]}