#58: Matt Gaser and WaxWars on NFTs, Art and Film

Matt Gaser and WaxWars are the creators of The Chronicles of Dr. Zammsy, a remarkable animated, story-driven card series offered for sale on the WAX blockchain

In this conversation, we discuss:
- Working on Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean
- The Chronicles of Dr. Zammsy
- The NFT process
- Making 3D art
- Alex Mashinsky
- WAX NFT Blockchain

The Chronicles of Dr. Zammsy
Website: drzammsy.com
Twitter: @DrZammsy
Telegram: The Chronicles of Dr. Zammsy

Matt Gaser
Website: mattgaser.com
Twitter: @MattGaser
Instagram: mattgaser

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Transcript

Matt Zahab: 0:08

Ladies and gentlemen, it's your host Matt here and we are back with another phenomenal episode the crypto news podcast. super pumped for this one. Got another dual guest a nice two guests episode. I always love these. And it's time for the intros. First up, we have Matt gazer, a graduate of art Central College of Design. Matt has over 20 years of professional experience in the art world, and has worked as a lead concept artist and designer for Lucasfilm Star Wars, the Clone Wars, Angry Birds, movie rug rats, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, and stages designed for massive EDM music festivals, such as the Daydream festival. Matt is currently producing an illustrated novel with Chronicle Books and many of Matt's original art and stories can be found in his published book, fantastical the art of matte gazer. Next up, we have wax wars. wax is a graduate of the University of California, with a lifelong pursuit of storytelling wax his passion is to provide audiences original and inspiring tales of adventure. Wax enjoyed working with the grass skirt productions on the filming of all six seasons of the ABCs last Pirates of the Caribbean Jurassic World, Hawaii Five o and numerous other TV and film projects in Hawaii. Wax has also been creating and collecting NF T's since early 2018 Garden nice and early. Gotta love it, as well as developing strategies for NFT mainstream use. What a background from these two fellows, I'm very pleased to welcome to the crypto news podcast, muddy and wax fellows. Welcome to the show.

Unknown: 1:43

Thanks, Matt. Great to be here. Thank you. Awesome times. It's

Matt Zahab: 1:48

great times I think this is the first time I've had two people on the pod or just anyone on the pod where it's like I've read their bio and have actually consumed so much of their content, like the movies and the shows that I just ripped off like Star Wars, Angry Birds, rug rat World of Warcraft, League of Legends, Caribbean, like, come on. That is that is pretty bananas. So kudos to you to absolutely love that. I want to start with some fun questions. And you guys can each go What is the favorite project you've ever worked on?

Matt Gaser: 2:19

I guess I'll go first. I'd say my my favorite project was probably Star Wars because it was always a lifelong dream as a kid to work at Skywalker Ranch and be around George Lucas a little bit. And I never thought that that would ever happen. And so when that opportunity came up and actually start working there it was it was just a crazy, it was an amazing dream to be around so much talent on something that was really groundbreaking because there really wasn't any 3d animated series happening at that time. It was kind of one of the first that ever did that. And so we're pioneering something totally brand new. That is a model that almost everyone follows nowadays. But back then it was it was it was groundbreaking. So yeah, that'd be my first project.

WaxWars: 2:59

Yeah, I mean, I just living in Hawaii is my favorite project. But our collaboration

Matt Zahab: 3:06

humblebrag

WaxWars: 3:08

just living in Hawaii, I mean, at times, I thought I'd need to move to Los Angeles to pursue what I wanted to do. But then I decided while he was my was was my goal. And then we're gonna go into today's probably my favorite project. But in my previous life, being a pirate on Pirates of the Caribbean was pretty cool. Just I grew my own beard out kind of Viking beard and got to get real dirty and scurvy every day. And another one was being a dinosaur on Jurassic World to get into kind of like a tight little suit. They call us the Raptor dancers because we had to wear this tight little motion capture suit and just run around the jungle. Pretend to be a raptor.

Matt Zahab: 3:52

That's incredible. That wax living in Hawaii, what's the NFT are slash crypto slash blockchain community like,

WaxWars: 4:00

yeah, you know why he has its challenges what but it's improving. Like for example, wax. When I like two years ago, I had access to all these exchanges where I could buy and sell wax and then all of a sudden, I think it's because of the mount Gox thing. Hawaii just jumped the gun and just did this no more crypto law. And so I lost access to a lot of the exchanges that just to do everyday business in crypto. But luckily, you know, the community here got with the legislature and figured out how to start this program where now Gemini and crypto calm and a few other pilot programs that follow these regulations. We can now use exchanges again in Hawaii, so it's pretty cool.

Matt Zahab: 4:50

I've never been to Hawaii and cannot wait and that's just like you know, you see the pictures that literally looks like paradise wack you know, Jurassic World craziness. One more question on it. The incredible films and TV shows that you guys have worked on before we jump into Dr. zanzi. When you guys are on these incredible sets, the Star Wars, the Pirates of the Caribbean, the Jurassic World, do you know these are going to pop off and be like all time legendary movies? Do you have that feeling? Can you feel the buzz and the energy on set?

Matt Gaser: 5:17

I mean, I guess I'll talk about Angry Birds, the movie I worked on for that was an animated movie, most of the movies I've ever worked on, or TV shows are all been animated based. When I was working on the Clone Wars, you could definitely feel it an animated TV series based on the Star Wars franchise was going to be huge no matter what. But I would say there was this sort of dark moment where we didn't know what we were kind of achieving. And if the style was going to resonate with everyone, because it was very painterly. And the backgrounds were very painterly. The textures on the characters were very painterly, and we didn't know if that was going to resonate with the fans. So so that was kind of a question mark. Absolutely. That was one of the projects I've worked on where I didn't know that the magnitude of how huge it would end up becoming. And now 10 years later, they just, you know, released a new season last year about the Soca and we never expected that would still go on. And they they've done risks of like bad batch and some other ones. Star Wars resistance, you know, and trying out these different styles. So I kudos to the studio. Lucasfilm animation for for pushing the boundaries on that.

Matt Zahab: 6:24

Love to hear that going. Going read into it. You're now I'm incredibly curious about the Chronicles of doctors mZ, which is an incredible project that you guys are working on, I would try to explain it myself. And I'm sure you fellows can do a much better job than I can. So without further ado, the floor is yours. I'd love if you could give the lowdown on Dr. James II, and then I will get into some of the nitty gritty questions here. And I'll be putting you guys in the hot seat.

Matt Gaser: 6:50

Okay. Dr. sands, he was started as a an idea I came up with in college, I just painted a doctor in a fantasy universe on some weird worm creature. It was like an acrylic based painting. And then I kind of realized from that moment after finishing that painting, that maybe this could be something that could be you know, evolved that could evolve over time. So 2008, I was approached by some friends that started up a, like a mobile gaming company, and they were looking for new content to be put on the iPad, and iPhone. And they were like, hey, what kind of stories ideas do you have? So I pitched them, this Dr. Ramsey idea. And they went with it, we worked really hard for three months. But then because of the scope and the cost, they decided to back out. And so I was left with all this amazing Dr. Ramsey artwork, and it just kind of got put on a shelf until I decided to publish an art book, like you mentioned the beginning of your intro there, fantastical the Arctic Monkeys are and I was able to do a chapter about the about the art some of that art. I thought that was it. I thought literally nothing else would ever happen with that, that idea. Until Ralph came along and approached me with the scent of ti NFT idea. He was basically saying, you know, a couple of years ago, like Matt, I'm not quite sure what the 70 thing is, I'm researching it. But man, you know, he should look into it. And then literally last fall, he reached out and said, Man, I've been collecting NF T's for many years now this is gonna hit and if you know, if you're an artist, if I don't tell you someone else will. And we need to do something about this. And so we started working together. And the original idea was to just basically put my artwork as like, you know, one of one auction based pieces that would be on the blockchain somewhere maybe Ethereum flow wherever, wax, but, but I quickly evolved into this trading card project. And I think Ralph can take take the floor from there.

WaxWars: 8:45

It's It's hard to explain how the universe just all came together at once. But basically, you know, we kind of talked about this before the show started. But I got to thank Alex machine ski from the Celsius network, because I mean, I listened everybody listened to that pump podcast where Alex was on there in 2019. And or, if you did, you were lucky. And it just made sense. And so I got into Celsius network. And just Luckily, it gave us the sort of capital where I could quit my regular job. And Matt, you know, it was kind of during COVID there was less projects going on. And we just were able to come together we kind of just started meeting once a week when I still had my regular job and then all the sudden was like okay, we're gonna do this. And it's it's just hard to explain how the world works and in fantastical ways but it all kind of started also with the wax blockchain was originally an ERC 20 token and, and the fees were just insane, right. So just to transfer one entity to another, you know, was like $50, or $30. So they decided to make their own blockchain based off iOS where you could literally transfer for nothing between people. And just I got lucky. I got in early on the wax blockchain and just, we were able to model our project off some of the other successful projects on wax. And just seeing maths art, like anybody who sees maths art is just blown away. And we were able to combine these story elements with awesome art to just kind of raise the level of entities because some of these original NF T's are just very rudimentary art, like picks a lot pick pixelated images and things. And so our goal was based on some other projects, where they just raised the bar of the art and storytelling, we wanted to share our our vision for art and storytelling and inspire others to also raise the bar of what NF T's can be.

Matt Gaser: 11:07

Yeah, I mean, like, basically, you, you collect our NFT trading cards, and then on the back of, there's two parts to a card, and on the back is a story that basically relates to the illustration in the front. And we're just trying to expand the world. I mean, to give you a quick layout of who doctors mZ is, he's he's a doctor and a fantasy universe full of giants, half giants, humans, slug people, slug pirates, all kinds of weird creatures, like a snake, a beast and everything. And any he finds this virus like samples of this virus that's infiltrating from another dimension. And so it's really timely because we're in a pandemic. But basically, the whole plot is him trying to figure out how to solve that riddle. And, and we're slowly evolving the linear storytelling through each set that we launch throughout the coming year, and hopefully, years to come.

Matt Zahab: 12:00

So it's truly one of the few NF T's that has like infinite potential. And not just, you know, I'm not just blowing smoke, but it does have infinite potential. And you guys also have the track records to back that up. And you have, you know, an incredible team that is going to be releasing something crazy a documentary on the whole process. Is that just about doctors MD, or is that also about the NFT process and how you guys created the NFT? as well,

WaxWars: 12:32

yes, we're really lucky that one of our team members, his name is john Helms. And he's a former supervisor of Industrial Light magic, which he has his own company now that does visual effects. He just had this idea at the beginning, hey, let's make a documentary about the whole process. Because this is a new thing. It's a whole new form of entertainment. People are gonna wonder what it is where it came from. And he has the expertise to create this high quality documentary. So he actually ended up coming to Hawaii to film sort of my part of it and go to Matt studio and film his part of it. And I actually hadn't seen Matt in over 10 years, when we first started this project, like in person. And so right after our first launch, I flew to California, and he filmed sort of us like meeting for the first time in 10 years. And so that's going to be really cool button in the show. But just to go out just to talk about john Helms a little more like he was literally the supervisor for like the animation of Yoda in Revenge of the Sith. And many other just like huge movies, where he supervised like a team of people that literally animated like live action characters in movies.

Matt Gaser: 13:58

Yeah, he was also he was also in charge of the environments for mustafar for Revenge of the Sith and came up with the whole visual effects on how the lava was gonna look. super talented guy, and we originally brought him on as an animator, so we can animate our cards we have different rarities and, and our sets, and some are not anime and some are. And so when we brought them on, we initially just wanted them to be a kick ass, you know, animator, and then he had this whole idea for documentary. It's all all film. It's all done. He's going to add like, I think he was talking about adding, like my giants in the background, you know, while we're being interviewed and all kinds of wild, cool things. So our goal is to essentially with this, like, like Rob said, basically advertise, you know, wax, advertise our project, help people understand what an NF T is, how you can make one and the pitfalls and successes of launching a project. So like on this magnitude, because we've had a lot of ups and downs and our first set was fantastic. We almost sold out of all our tasks. generate a lot enough capital to keep going. And, you know, we've had some pitfalls to we get into that as well. But yeah, I mean, it's been a really interesting experience. And it's been pretty wild that it's been filmed through the whole process.

Matt Zahab: 15:14

That's bananas. And again, whenever you can build in public really does move the needle into doing the epitome of building public, you're making a friggin documentary. So, heck, kudos to that. On the on the NFT process itself. I'm always so curious whenever we're fortunate enough to have guests on the show who have launched successful NFT projects similar to you fellows. I just have so many questions. And I'm always just beyond curious in regards to how you get from inception to actual the actual successful launch. Like from the get go. You guys just told the story. You guys have known each other for a while. Wax you love Matty's art man, he's aware of what you can do on the NFT blockchain side and the storytelling side, combined the best of both worlds, you know, mixed the secret sauces together. And there it is. But that's without all the nitty gritty, right. So it's like, how do you decide the rarity or the scarcity of the NF T's? How many editions to put out? How do you decide which blockchain to build on? Give me the lowdown on that? What are those discussions sound like?

WaxWars: 16:12

You know, yeah, you know, it's, it's really a case of like, the amazing wax community, and being able to model off what other people have done. So we have just incredible projects called Bitcoin origins, monsters of rap, and hollow God, just to name a few. But the creators of these projects, just are amazing collaborators, you know, like, we're all in the same chat rooms were talking. I started off as just being a big collector of NF T's and just seeing what I like, and what seems to sell well. So just very thankful for the help that, you know, all of us and we go back and forth, they asked me questions, how did I do this? How do I do a blend? So one of the things that's really cool is you can take common cards, and, and that there's a lot of and put them into an interface, burn them forever, and you get a special rare card from that. So like they hadn't done that. So they asked me, but then I hadn't done like, how do we construct a pack. And so everyone's just so collaborative, and we all just want to grow the wax community, and help each other to inspire others to create awesome content, because without the content, really, there's nothing. So we're trying to inspire and raise the quality of the content, but in terms of like, figuring out what the rarity is, and a lot of it has to do with just again, modeling things like magic, the gathering and stuff that's out there that people sort of understand the terms of a common card uncommon, legendary, and you can actually just come up with any terms you want, but then some of us have sort of just use those terms that people are familiar with to set the rarities. And, again, it's just a totally collaborative effort. And you would think that we're all in competition with each other, but it's almost like we get on calls, zoom calls and, and talk about, okay, how can we help each other? How can we collaborate to grow this space, and, you know, just get the word out on how awesome the wax network is, you know, with the no fees and, and all the built in tools were black on aetherium, you're sort of just on your own, you got to figure out a marketplace, you got to figure out wax has it all built in already, where I can literally go in to their interface on the atomic hub. And I can place the front image, I can place the back image, I can place the description of what the card is. And it's it's very user friendly. And I don't want to call it easy, because if you've never done before, it's hard. But if you get in there and just mess around with it's kind of just this little sandbox where you can mess around and it's pretty, it's made for like, anyone pretty much that has just basic computer knowledge, like you're not programming or anything. It's a really nice beautiful interface where you can, you can create NF T's

Matt Zahab: 19:24

wax, it's actually it's weird calling you wax and then talking about the wax network. It's it's the first project that I've seen launched on the wax network. Again, most popular being aetherium once seems like anytime you go on open sea or rare bull or anything you all you're seeing right now is those 10,000 pieces NFT projects with insert adjective plus, and we'll name like lazy lions or coolcat or something like that. And it's the same type of art. And the utility is things moving forward. Right and Then you have your project where one of the utilities already there, you have Mattie's incredible artwork, which is very rare and unique and doesn't really look like anything else. And that leads me to my next point, which is the video game, which is something that every NFT project definitely wants to strive towards. What were those talks? Like when when you tried to pitch that to video game? Or I could be wrong here. But did they not go to you first?

Matt Gaser: 20:21

Actually, I yeah, I've been in the games industry for, you know, on and off for 20 years, and actually started my whole career in the games industry for the PlayStation two, being a concept artist and I met this guy, Josh rose, who owns this company, I, you know, robots see monster. And they, they basically have all kinds of amazing platforms, they've already worked on their card base. And so initially, he just reached out to me, like the universe works, where he needed some artwork from me freelance, and I turned the head and said, Look, we're working on the senate t project, we need a game are you interested, and he, you know, we're actually right in the middle of talking with him about building this whole whole game. Nothing's on paper just quite yet. But it's looking really promising. And the models that they've created, basically, are going to help drive the functionality of our NF T's into a card game battle about our game. That's the idea. And then hopefully, the capital generated from this game can launch us into a 3d based game that's more open world and you're walking around, and maybe your doctor exams himself, maybe you're, you know, another doctor, or whatever, you know, traveling around, and we're not quite sure what that would ever look like just yet, but we have some ideas. But yeah, I mean, like you said, a lot of NF T's are projects are leaking their product into a game model. And we just think that's kind of the next step to you know, evolve our company and, and our goals. And so that's what we're doing.

WaxWars: 21:52

And the key here, the most important thing here, and it's kind of going back to Alex machine, skis, way of thinking is respecting your customer. like going back to, you know, I'm not just in it for myself and getting five people rich, like, I'm respecting my customer. And so that's kind of what wax is all about is wax, kind of it started off as this thing where James like pub G and fortnight, make millions of dollars off the skins. And so you buy a skin for like $100, or you buy these these items in the game, and they're stuck in the game. So do you really own them, like, like you don't really know. So with wax, they, the whole reason for wax was to create this ability for the customer to actually own your skins that you're paying hard money for, you know, you're paying good money to buy a skin. And so that's kind of like moving forward is this kind of respect your customer, and having the ability to own the items that you purchase in the game, and then sell them on a secondary market. So like one of the first games that's doing that is this game called hollow God, which is a full 3d, Unreal Engine, battle rail plus player verse computer game, where you can buy skins on the wax network, and they interface with the game, so you and then you can sell these to anyone. And that's kind of where we're going with our game as well as you know, you're able to own your own NF T's. And then you kind of the first game that we're going to be working on is this card battle game where you would insert your NF T's into this interface and get to battle people with your powers of your card. And then, of course, down the line, we want to also create sort of a 3d full 3d environment that you can explore in the world of doctors mZ.

Matt Gaser: 23:53

Yeah, face to face, Josh was coming up with an idea of like phase two for that card battle, or would be then to integrate this this kind of idea where you can bring in other projects like Oh, God, if they're interested, or whoever, and then you're battling with other projects. And potentially the some of the ideas on the table or like if you if you win, maybe you get like a doctor's mZ, you know, crypto token, maybe you can, who knows, buy more NF T's with that token, or convert them to crypto, you know, like a lot of other projects do. So there's a lot of really interesting game mechanics and business ideas that we're toying around with right now. But we're really trying to move fast on this. Our fans are asking for it. They've been asking it ever since we've launched that one. And yeah, it's it's fun. It's fun to evolve into a whole new project.

Matt Zahab: 24:39

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Matt Gaser: 26:29

Well, that's the whole process of being in concept artists in the industry, whether it's in games, or animation projects, or feature films, they all need art, to help illustrate what that world looks like, what it looks like, what those characters being designed in that world, and then illustrate scenes and pivotal moments for all those different platforms. it's exhilarating. I mean, the funnest part about my career has been, you know, inventing an illustration of a particular landscape, whether it be a floating castle or something like that, and then the client comes back, or you see it in a movie, and you see how it's evolved into a 3d, you know, landscape. And they're moving in camera through it and everything. I mean, especially for gaming, you're actually tech in there. And I was on a VR project that didn't last very long, a few years back, but I was able to go to their studio and put on the headset and look around in this world that I helped, you know, illustrate. And I was just blown away. You know, I mean, it was just the technology is advancing so fast, and experiences. But to get to the meat of how that process works. Generally, I feed them with illustrations of a particular location, let's say it's a floating castle, right. And then once that location is approved, my art director or whoever has me do these things called orthographies, where they're cut, you basically lay out the design and a front side back view of like props, vehicles characters. I used to work with this really amazing 3d artists who's now working for have been working for Epic Games. And, you know, he was just amazing, I would just give him a painting a three quarter shot of something and then he would just be able to wrap his brain around it get into 3d Studio Max or Maya and just model the heck out of it, texture, light it, and I didn't need to do too much work. But for animation, production, it's very structured, everything has to look just like what is approved. And so those orthographic processes are absolutely needed. For for like Angry Birds. I was I literally for like, almost a year I just did a like I'd say 1000s of sketches of every moment in the movie based on the script, all the locations and, and then I was called to leave. Later on, they hired a ton more concept artists, and they thank me later seeing in Comic Cons and stuff because it was just so much groundwork in sketch form that they can then extrapolate from and refine and make the details create the illustrations. And so when I saw the movie, it's really interesting to see my designs evolve in the scenes. And like, for example, the pig Island piggy Island, you know, with its contraptions, and weird boulders all like, you know, suspended over huge crates of TNT and everything in June, which was a really cool experience. So yeah

Matt Zahab: 29:19

that's awesome.

WaxWars: 29:20

Just to jump in there about just to continue the movie. Thing is really our ultimate goal is a live action movie or series. And that's just kind of what Matt and I've been doing for our whole career and the NFT space has given us a chance to develop this project. And, you know, I have a dream that, you know, like when I worked on Jurassic World, the director, Colin Trevino, you know, he got on the loudspeaker was like, Steven Spielberg, you know, he was watching on the dailies today, and he just thought that was everything looked awesome. So just keep up the good work and just thinking about That and like the competence of doctors, NZ, you know is is what is that's that's that's the goal here is to, to bring this amazing story of a character that's inspired by Indiana Jones or James Bond and Captain jack Sparrow kind of all together based off our, our years of sci fi and fantasy enjoyment that this is this is the goal. And so we've been working, we just had some amazing meetings this week with people that have already executed, you know, shows that are on Netflix, and we've been in talks with studios, and just developing this product for the masses and just to be able to share like a really cool story with everyone. Not completely agree that our favorite time is when we're on a zoom call. And we're kind of like, Okay, let's try this. And what do you think about this, and then all the sudden, out of nothing, we created this incredible sword with a story. And we're just kind of like a pinch yourself. Like, Is this real?

Matt Zahab: 31:07

Those moments that's, that's when it really comes together? I know this is off topic, but that may be up for debate. If doctors names he was a Hollywood feature film that was dropping tomorrow multi 100 million dollar budget dropping tomorrow, who would you want to star what actor would you want to play? Dr. zanzi

Matt Gaser: 31:27

talked about this actually. You know, I forget that names actor, but he was very uncommon. Yeah.

WaxWars: 31:40

Just because the character, doctors, NZ, you know, he's a really cool guy, but he does have a little some quirks or whatever. So we thought Sacha Baron Cohen would was was one good choice

Matt Gaser: 31:53

for for finishing my thought I appreciate that.

WaxWars: 31:56

Because he has a wide, you know, he, you know, he's known for his over the top comedy. But, you know, he's had some serious roles. So you can just see that he can play a wide range of characters. And I think that he would have that range to play this character, which there's a lot of the story is these sort of humorous misadventures along the path to this insurmountable conflict between a queen and another dimension. So I just think that he would have that range to accomplish these goals. And like I said, he get what he wants, with these insurmountable conflicts that he has to overcome.

Matt Gaser: 32:44

Yeah, he's, he's a quirky character. He's very smart. But if you can imagine being a doctor in a fantasy world where you have to know the anatomy and medicine to cure every conceivable, you know, these creature human that's out there, it would take a lot, and there'd be a lot of moments where it would go wrong, you know, and we've, we've come up with a lot of ideas with where we can illustrate that and either, you know, animate series or live action feature for sure. Yeah, it's great. It's good, fun.

Matt Zahab: 33:15

That'd be awesome.

WaxWars: 33:16

Key and then what I wanted to tell you guys, too, I mean, I'm sure you're going to have in the notes about doctors nz.com. But we have a YouTube channel. So if you search for doctors, NZ on YouTube, we've created these movie style trailers for both of our sets. So if you, we have one for set one, where, you know, we're using Hollywood quality people with john Helms and Rusty Drake, who we've, you know, with a budget, you know, we were able to create, you know, a really cool movie style trailer with some concept art and animation, along with awesome music, where you can really sort of feel yourself, you know, going into this world and exploring this world, which is what we what we're bringing next, like, we have a whole roadmap of what's coming next. And we just want the fans we have a bunch of super fans and our whole fan base, to get to experience this, the world of Galligan and The Chronicles of doctors mZ to get to explore that. And I'm looking forward to this ride where we get to share that with everyone

Matt Zahab: 34:18

on the NF t side of the project. What are some of the do's and don'ts the big lessons the takeaways that you guys got from this project? Because I I'm working with a couple people and you know, I've always really wanted to release couple NF T's not just myself but we have tons of listeners as well. We're really curious what are the big yeses are the big knows that if he had one more, kick out the candy you would have done differently.

WaxWars: 34:41

The thing about art, the art world is that I mean, this is something I learned from the nifty gateway people. I mean, again, listening to podcast modeling off other people is the key really, but billionaires store about 25% of their wealth in art. Because it's this unique item, that is you can't replicate. And it's inflation proof. And so there's just this whole infrastructure in the art world, where there's massive money going into the marketing of stuff. So that's kind of the key thing that Matt nauseum, I'm sure he's just like, again, I keep just harping on that it's marketing. So you can see some of these entities, it's basically like a pixelated image of something, but people are paying a million dollars for it. And it's because people perceive it as value based off everyone knowing about it, and being in the news being on podcast like this. And people know, I don't know, if everyone understands that like, even like Van Gogh, or Monet, there are literally billions of dollars going into universities, and into, you know, PhDs that are researching it, and marketing these, that these pieces of art are what you want, you know, and then the key is like, you tell everybody, you tell everyone, this is the piece of art you want, and then sell them, but you can't have it. And that's what drives up. That's why people that's why medical oven spend $69 million on the people crap thing, because, you know, it's what everyone wants, but no one can have. I mean, that's, that's kind of the key to art. So we're really fortunate, we got a new marketing director, who is like a stud in the social, social media platforms, and he's just gone to town. So, you know, we're, we're really stoked about that. Because it really is, everyone who's seen Matt's art is like, I want to be a part of that, it's just getting that eyeballs on, it is really the key to art and the NFT world as well.

Matt Gaser: 36:55

And what we'd like to say to our fans, too, is when they invest in our project, we're not just trying to get rich here, we're really just trying to get enough capital to go to the next step. You know, if we raise enough capital that was beyond our wildest dreams, you know, it would definitely go into production of this of a more evolved game, you know, mechanic, would also go into potentially producing our own animated series ourselves. I mean, I have all the contacts in Hollywood that I've generated over the past 20 years, and so does runoff or mean wax wars, and we could just, you know, capitalize on that. And, and I know the whole process, I've lived in it for many years, I know people that can project manage an animated series, you know, and help us out animation, more concept artists, script writers, great storyboard people from Marvel, I know. I mean, it could all just come together if we had enough capital to do that. So the sky's the limit, it just comes down to like, like Max was saying, getting eyeballs on the product and pushing on.

WaxWars: 37:57

And this kind of goes back to Alex machine ski again, because, I mean, I don't I don't know where Alex and schinsky will be in history, but just his whole philosophy is what I try to live by. And that is just giving back to your community. I mean, literally every dollar that Matt and I are making on this project is going right back into the project to bring better content and raise the bar. Like we we have our own means were for you know, food on the table and housing and stuff. So literally everything are generated from this is going back to the community back to just creating awesome content for people and I just can't wait to share what's coming next. I mean, it's, I can't wait to share with people the stuff that that's already made and, and show them how cool it is.

Matt Zahab: 38:46

You guys sound very fired up I love I love seeing the enthusiasm and the passion. And for those at home wax is wearing a big Haldol Celsius network shirt as well. Big fan of machine ski, machine ski if you're listening, come back on the pod love to have you on for round two, you still have the most popular episode of all time on the crypto news podcast, which is probably expected because you're one of the goats. So kudos to you, fellas, this has been an absolute treat. Really appreciate you coming on any questions for me before we wrap up?

WaxWars: 39:14

Yeah, I mean, I would just like to hear you know, it's we're talking about crypto news here and just maybe some predictions on the end of the year and just Where's crypto going? from here?

Matt Zahab: 39:24

I think well, that's again, take this with a grain of salt. I'm no expert, but everything's primed to go pretty far up. For the most cases Bitcoin is always forever has been in probably forever will be the catalyst of growth and adoption and when Bitcoin goes up and it's on its way back up, everything else does theory and booms all the altcoins boom in then the mega coins boom as well. We're sort of seeing that right now. The one thing that worries me is when when you hear about things from people you shouldn't be hearing things about that's like that. NF t boom, it's a little worrisome. I've also invested a good amount in NF T's myself. And again, I feel like we're getting close to a bubble on the crypto side as a whole. And ft is everything. It's all great. And every single day you hear about hedge fund x, or private equity, firm y, or bank z, getting into the space. So for all those reasons, I think all we have to do is look up and then I guess lastly is and I'm no anti government person, by all means I understand and appreciate what the government does, and its role it plays in society. But they've dropped the ball on so many occasions over the last couple of years in social media, and people being stimulated at all times. It's this transparency is the key, and we're seeing again, they just dropped the ball time after time after time. COVID you know, wars, everything inflation. And for those reasons, I think people are gonna see that a decentralized economy and community is evidently the way to go and all all arrows lead to crypto. So for all those reasons, I think we're dancing enrollments, I think it's gonna be a pretty fun, end of q3 and q4 to finish off 2021

WaxWars: 41:03

I just wanted to throw in one last thing that I don't know if we talked about and that is just how entities benefit artists. And for a long time people in that field concept artists, they're kind of they're not really part of a union they're not they're sort of these contract people and they sort of like just get the scraps of the the funding for these mega movies and things and what entities do is for example, on the wax network what anytime so we sell these as a primary sale but then in the secondary market, every time one of these is sold 10% comes back to us it's like it pays the artists so when people are buying and selling on the secondary market every sale 10% is coming back to the artists to you know, pay their bills and to create more art so that is just it's so critical to get that out there that you're supporting artists as well in this new medium which before you know you sell you sell a painting made that's it See you later but this is like literally we call it back paid for the artists

Matt Gaser: 42:08

Yeah, I mean I think my industry was shocked that wow us digital artists can actually make money selling our own digital paintings and illustrations that was just a total eye opener and I got very lucky working with wax horse on this project so yeah, it's been fun. Thank you

Matt Zahab: 42:23

and there's also one of the most in demand jobs in the world right now is digital artists and that is because of the NFT industry literally go on go on all the job boards go on lever go on Angel look at the new projects that are popping off every single one of them says digital designers want it and you're not getting the small four or five digit paid they they're throwing six figures in you know theory amor Bitcoin at you so kudos to that I wish I could I can barely draw stick man so I'm definitely not the guy for the job but hey really appreciate to having you guys on big fan of the project. Maddie you got a great name wax you as well. And we'll keep in touch oh and last thing where can our listeners find you fellows fabricated madness and doctors AMC on line and on socials.

Matt Gaser: 43:11

If you just go to doctors Ramsey calm that's Dr. z AMMSY calm you can find all the portals and channels from there we have a whole bunch of social accounts that are like a link keeps them on a main page and all the content is there. So that's just a great first first place to just go searching around or project and check us out. You can also find my art too on Matt gazer.com ma TT ga s er calm and that's just a enormous catalogue of my entire career all the different projects I've worked on personal or professional

WaxWars: 43:46

and we're collaborators so you know if you're an artist or a fan, and you want to reach out to us like what Matt said on Dr. zanzi calm it's got our telegram or discord reach out to us talk to us we want to help people we want to inspire people to do great things, you know to raise the bar make quality art and storytelling part of the wax network the wax blockchain and the you know for the rest of time, this is this is happening you know, NF T's are here to stay and it's just gonna it's it's just getting bigger.

Matt Zahab: 44:16

Hey fellas, appreciate you coming on. definitely gonna have you on for round two. And then we got a lot poppin off in the future. So thanks again had a blast. And we'll see you all shortly. Folks. This was the crypto news podcast with the fellas from Dr. Xmg great project highly recommend checking him out. I will post everything you need to know about him in the show notes as always, and in the episode descriptions on all of our podcast players. That is on Apple, Spotify, Google Amazon buzzsprout you name it. We are there. As always really appreciate you listening. Love you all and we will talk again soon. Bye for now.