#65: Kyle Gordon on DoinGud and NFTs

Kyle Gordon is an Advisor, Creative Strategist, and Curator at DoinGud. He is also the founder of Studio ZIRO, creating immersive experiences for global brands, musicians, and festivals.

In this conversation, we discuss:
- Building the creator and giving economy 
- Launching on Polygon
- Working with Kanye West and Future
- Fundraising and donation incentives
- $AMOR token

DoinGud
Website: doingud.com
Twitter: @DoinGudHQ
Instagram: @doingudhq

Kyle Gordon
Website: kylegordonart.com
Twitter: @kylegordonart

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Transcript

Matt Zahab: 0:07

Ladies and gentlemen, it's your host Matt Zahab and we're back with another world class guests on the pod. I'm very excited for this one and I hope you will be as well. Without further ado, here we go for the intro. Today's guest is an award winning multi disciplinary artist, creative director and experiential designer. He's worked with a ton of notable artists, including Kanye West, bad Bunny, bass nectar, wow those guys used to fire me up when I was young, adventure club future, just to name a few. He's done a whole lot of stuff in his career present day he is the co founder, advisor and chief creative strategic and curator at DoinGud which we are going to get into in the show. They are an incredible social NFT marketplace that brings together curators, collectors and social impact organizations to support the giving economy. Without further ado, I'm very pleased to welcome to the Cryptonews podcast Kyle Gordon. Kyle, welcome to the show.

Kyle Gordon: 1:07

Thanks so much for having me, Matt. Pleasure to be here.

Matt Zahab: 1:10

I see you like the intro that's always good when I get a laugh right off the bat. That's awesome. Kyle, really fired up to have you on today. I think a good place to start would be going back 10-15 seconds ago when I named drop some of the biggest artists in the world. What was it like working with Kanye bad bunny adventure club and future that must have been absolute bananas.

Kyle Gordon: 1:31

Yeah. So you know, it's always interesting from like, an artist side when you're working, especially in like stage production and visual arts for a lot of these people. Most of your engagement isn't actually with the artists, but mostly the manager. And I was fortunate enough to like hang out with some of these people and kind of like talk with them one on one. But a lot of the time, like there isn't like a huge direct input from them on the creator on the creative side, when it comes to like the art that's going into their their show, which is kind of surprising. So you know that the interactions like with the ones I did get to interact with were really interesting. And that's probably all I can say on that front, just from like a legal perspective standpoint. But, you know, I think the one thing is that all these people are so talented. And you know, they're they're really like math geniuses in their own right when you like talk to them and hear the way they express themselves, and especially their music, which you're also familiar with. Every single interaction is extremely different. And a story and hopefully someday I can share some of those stories, but not today.

Matt Zahab: 2:46

Maybe are those NSFW stories?

Kyle Gordon: 2:49

No, no, no, no, no, no. No, it's mostly just NDA stories and just

Matt Zahab: 2:56

right Right.

Kyle Gordon: 2:57

Yeah. You know, good experiences. Not so good experiences, but the music industry is pretty crazy. And a lot of the experiences I had were definitely learning experiences over the years.

Matt Zahab: 3:13

I love that want to talk about doing good the bread and butter of the show I love the name for the folks at home I'm sure you've already seen as this is dropping and going live you've already seen the episode description doing good is spelt d o i n so now G and then g UD so instead of G double O D, you got GU D DoinGud. Love the name. Love the logo. It's the smiley face with the D in it as well. Very clean. The name seems a little self explanatory. But what was the inspo? Behind the name?

Kyle Gordon: 3:42

Yeah, absolutely. So that this project actually was born from another project started by my, our founder Manu. And basically early on in during the COVID outbreak in the pandemic, he actually got COVID super early, like one of the first people kind of getting it in Europe when it was spreading. And what he realized was there was no resources or places for people to seek help online or any sort of like place that people could go to like talk to one another and, you know, connect. And so this kind of brought about the project called fight pandemics. And it was basically a social media kind of experience where people could connect with other people seeking help related to COVID or just kind of like talk to other people. And this project grew to like, you know, over 1000 volunteers in a short span of time. It had support from like multiple tech companies or organizations. Basically they they raised like I think the the value at of human capital was over like several million dollars just from the amount of people working on it for free and contributing to this vision of helping others and what ended up happening is, you know, human capital can only operate for so long before people need, you know, real capital, financial capital. And so the idea was to spin up a project out of this that could further the mission of interconnecting humans and kind of doing so in a way that inspired creativity as well. And that's where the project pivoted and kind of became DoinGud. And that's when we, you know, brought on like a core team, that's when I joined the project. The crypto space was really booming at the time. And so NFT's were were a way for people to harness social impact, and benefiting creators and actually help other people as well. So I think that's like the birth of the concept. And since then, it's kind of grown into this, this beast of a project, where we're working with some of like the best technology providers in the space. And it's not just a place to support organizations and charitable causes on chain. It's actually a place where creators can can create consciously and mindfully as well. Like every tool, every feature is like thought through. So it's fully decentralized. We're completely committed to making sure whatever tech stack we're using provides, like longevity and security for our creators. You know, there's a lot of holes kind of in the the current tech in the NFT space, and a lot of people aren't talking about it. And I think it's important for creators to know how they can best create their NFT's and benefit in this space.

Matt Zahab: 6:40

I love when a company or organization has a strong story and narrative behind it, you guys definitely check off that box. And that's got to be one of the big reasons why you and the team just raised$5 million congrats on that. So you'd raise that happened on September 29, currently in beta mode, and the platform will be launched later this year. Now, in your little schpeel. There just before I mentioned that you talked about how you were going to make it super easy to onboard for people for non crypto natives. Can you walk me through that process? I see on your website that you're even giving people the opportunity to use their own wallet, or you can even give them a wallet? Can you walk me through from literally signing up with my email to actually DoinGud helping me create an NFT?

Kyle Gordon: 7:22

Yeah, absolutely. So so when I think part of the goal is like how do we make this as seamless as possible for people who don't have any crypto experience, while also catering to those that do. So you'll have crypto people coming in, and they can connect their existing wallet metamask Tron like wallet Connect, and soon a bunch of other providers as well. So you're already kind of familiar with that flow. And then basically, you can set up a D ID, which is a decentralized profile on ceramic network. And basically, it allows you to own your data. And once you go through that process, you know, typically a platform owns your data when you create an account on any platform with a email and a password. And then you enter your username and all that information, like that's not owned by you that's owned by the platform. And so in this case, we actually have a decentralized provider for your account creation that attaches to your wallet. And so your account isn't necessarily tied to our platform. It's tied to the network, and you control your data. So you can actually plug that profile into other platforms and ecosystems as well. From a non crypto perspective, you have all those benefits if you want to dive in deep and learn from lint and learn and figure out how to work with like the decentralized web. But we actually have a we're partnered with a company called Magic link which is a noncustodial wallets that basically gets attached to your email address. And so all user with no crypto experience has to do is come to our website, create an account with an email, and basically you'll get a link in your email. Basically, you click it, it signs you in and it assigns you a wallet address so you don't have to worry about private keys or any of that kind of stuff you just have a wallet attached to your email address. And basically from there all you would need to do is basically upload your content as a creator just like you would on Instagram or any other platform you would use you can actually edit the content at any point up until it's sold because we lazy meant all of our stuff. It saves energy as well as like reduces network buisiness I guess to an extent and so you can actually change most of the features until you actually sell something.

Matt Zahab: 9:39

Quick question on lazy minting I know what it is absolutely love it. Can you just tell our listeners very quickly what lazy minting is?

Kyle Gordon: 9:45

Yeah, so lazy. minting is basically when you create an artwork as an NFT. It gets published to the blockchain with lazy minting it actually isn't published to the blockchain until there's an actual transactions Such as a sale that publishes it to the to the network. The benefit of that also is that if you're a creator, whoever is doing the purchasing actually pays the gas fee. In our front on our end, you actually don't have to worry about that gas fee because we work on Matic and polygon. And the gas fee is actually going to be I think like a 100th of a penny.

Matt Zahab: 10:22

So very interesting building on Matic which is the polygon blockchain, the sort of the Big Four that everyone builds on you have your of course the ethereum with open sea being the bread and butter, con, I were talking before the show about how much we love open sea and how much fun it is browsing. All the lovely and beautiful NF T's there are just some incredible artists, you have Binance, which is really making moves you have salona, which everyone in their cousin is talking about right now. And you have polygon, why did you choose polygon, of course, you have the low gas fees, which that's why anyone chooses the other three besides Ethereum. But for what other reasons? Did you choose to build on polygon?

Kyle Gordon: 10:57

Yeah, that's a really good question. So obviously, I think everyone's kind of heard the the buzz around all the different chains, everyone's proof of steak, you know, low energy, like, and all that jazz. And I think the main reason we went with polygon was from a tech standpoint. And and, you know, what polygon does interesting, Lee is that, you know, it's not just a proof of stake blockchain, you know, it actually is connected to the etherium main net. So you get kind of the benefits of the etherium ecosystem and tapping into the etherium ecosystem, with the added benefits of low gas fees, etc. What this opens in the future, and thinking forward a couple years as we start bridging ecosystems, and having this interoperable effect amongst different blockchains is that if you're building on a technology, that's basically a bridge between these blockchains, we're betting that polygon will be one of the leaders and actually having like cross chain provenance. So that's kind of the idea behind it. Like, hopefully, you know, if the technology and everything goes, Well, the next few years, people will have the choice when they meant on our platform and on polygon, to basically move their NFTs to the ecosystem of their choice. Right now we're building on polygon, but our goal is to actually be blockchain agnostic. And so people can actually choose which blockchain they want to move to

Matt Zahab: 12:21

may make sense makes total sense. Moving forward this year, again, beta is coming out, or sorry, beta is already out, and the actual version is going to pop off. Can you tell me about the UX behind it what us users can look forward to? In regards to the platform?

Kyle Gordon: 12:36

Yeah, absolutely. So I think like the big thing we're trying to do is make tools accessible to everyone. I think there's a lot of barriers of entry right now in the crypto space as a whole, a lot of platforms are gate capped. When we do launch, full disclosure, we will be in beta mode, and it'll be invite only to use the creator tools, but anyone will be able to collect. We're hoping very shortly after our beta releases, we can open it up to the general public. And the idea is to like give everyone access to like features for drops, like advanced sale, mechanics, etc. that normally apply what form would kind of reserved for top tier talent. Obviously on that front, it It comes with other headaches such as curation, and like quality control. But I think what we're we're trying to transition towards, especially when we think of like our transition to endow is having the community vote on actually what's featured. So like, our, our platform will be one gallery amongst many galleries in the ecosystem, because all these other people are going to be invited in and able to participate with the same tools that we would have long term, it's more of a protocol than a platform. And the protocol actually enables other people to tap into the tools that we would use to host our own drops and like exhibitions, and also allows other ecosystems to tap into our social impact layer as well.

Matt Zahab: 14:02

Absolutely love that. I want to go back to the$5 million race and congrats again on that. That's absolutely huge. Yeah, thank you. I feel like that was a cakewalk for you and the team. Because again, you have the tech stack, you have the team, you have the narrative, you have all the pieces to the puzzle that VCs want to hear when someone knocks on their door. Now, I was going to ask this to Manu who unfortunately, he could not join us on the show today, but that was lurking your guys's Twitter and I saw Manu who had a tweet the other day and he goes, and I quote tips for VCs. If you're going to approach me and tell me how much money you want to give DoinGud. Let me tell you that I don't care. Just tell me what is the real value that you can bring beyond money, and we can talk? Now I'm a big Twitter guy. I absolutely love Twitter so much off on Twitter alpha side, just the stuff you learn. If you can curate a feed, it's an absolute goldmine of knowledge. I follow a lot of VCs on Twitter. And the funds that have been raised this year exponential record breaking levels. It seems that startups like yourselves are choosing VCs for What they can offer over the money they are giving? Was that the same case with you guys? And can you shed any light on what those internal conversations look like when you were raising funds?

Unknown: 15:08

Absolutely. So, so yeah, it you know, like, I had never done fundraising before, you know, I'm an I'm an artist, I'm a creator. And so, when I came into this, you know, you always assume that, like, fundraising is really hard. Or at least the stories I had heard was very hard.

Matt Zahab: 15:25

Yeah.

Kyle Gordon: 15:25

And in this scenario, you know, Manu is just a beast, and he's super well connected. And outside of that, you know, like, people really loved what we were doing, and like the vision of the project. And so everyone wanted to throw money at us, like we easily could have raised countless times more money. Like, he was not, it was, it was not hard to raise the money. But what we wanted to make sure is that we were aligning with the people investing in us and financially contributing to our vision, were people who shared the same values as us. You know, I think everyone wants to be successful and make money. But I think bigger than that, we wanted people who were invested in like, the greater good of humanity. And so like every VC, every investor we spoke to, you know, we wanted to find that connection, that enthusiasm, that energy, and not just like the value they can bring from their money. But what does their network look like? How invested do they want to be in us, not just from a financial capital standpoint, but from a human capital standpoint, as well. And we actually value human capital A lot more than financial capital, because as I'm sure we all can see, in a crazy bull market, and in the crypto space, money is kind of flying everywhere, even for things that have no value at all. Like, you know, I could squiggle, a little doodle of a duck and throw it on open sea and make it like a generative project. And I guarantee I would make some money from it.

Matt Zahab: 17:00

Yeah.

Kyle Gordon: 17:01

But we want we want that connection, we want that human capital as well. And so that's what we were doing when we raised and we actually put hard limits on most of our financial contributors, even the ones who we really loved

Matt Zahab: 17:14

so what over under 50 million you guys could have raised

Kyle Gordon: 17:16

Ah, it's possible. Yeah. I don't think you would like if we wanted to, we could raise that. But when we were thinking about, like the decentralization of the project, like who is controlling majority interest of it, you know, we really want to make sure that whatever we build is fully decentralized and in the hands of the the people working on the project, not just ourselves, but the community that comes in and adds value by selling their artwork, creating, curating, etc. So that's kind of the intention behind it.

Matt Zahab: 17:52

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Kyle Gordon: 19:40

So it's a really good question. So so the the creators are stoked on it. I think a lot of artists want to give back and what we've seen in the blockchain space in particular, is people who are making money are happy to spread it around whether it's supporting other creators causes and i think it's it's difficult For a lot of the creators to figure out, like, Where do I how do I contribute? Where do I start? Like, what organization do I donate to. And a lot of that process is actually not transparent at all. You know, you have giant sales who are saying they're raising money for x fund, but you don't actually see the receipt, or you don't actually see the transaction go through, it's a very opaque process. And so the the, the approach is that we want to make it so easy like amazon smile easy, like you have a giant database of social causes that are pre vetted, that you can donate to that align with your ideals, the things that are important to you, and you can just set it as a default, and instead of the platform taking like a giant fee of like 10 to 15% from just being a platform and a tech provider. Basically we just require people donate a minimum of 5% to a social cause. That means the creators take home 95% of their earnings, social causes make money the creators also get to advertise that they're actually creating impact and visualize that impact. You know, we're building a reputation economy really when you think about it, and we want people to be able to show they're creating impact and it's on chain and it's immutable. And then on the other front of the platform still has to make money so we basically charge the equivalent of like a credit card fee like 2.5% on the buyer side so that we can function and operate and do what we do best and that the creator can rest easy knowing they're not getting charged an arm and a leg for their creations

Matt Zahab: 21:35

that's a great point and I've donated to charity in the past and you'd be surprised it's actually a pain in the you know what having to donate money sometimes like how is there not a Bitcoin address or Ethereum address or even just a stripe page I can just put on my credit card and make a donation you know what I mean? So the fact that you guys are doing that right off the bat in a seamless and efficient fashion I'm sure that moves the needle a shit ton

Kyle Gordon: 21:58

yeah we're hoping so man

Matt Zahab: 21:59

I love that

Kyle Gordon: 22:00

we have a lot of work to do still

Matt Zahab: 22:02

now because I can't wait to get into some NFT talk with you but before that your token that is expected to launch in q4 I'm AMOR A M O R is that a play on words with love?

Kyle Gordon: 22:14

Yes it is.

Matt Zahab: 22:15

okay you know what I was like I might throw it out there and I might look like an absolute buffoon but I love it so give me well I think I just stole your answer there but I was gonna say what is the what's the ideology behind AMOR token

Kyle Gordon: 22:27

Yeah, so we want to spread love we want humans to feel love spread love we think love is such an important emotion and honestly one of the greatest things someone can experience and I would like to thank the work that we're doing is hopefully like spreading like a lot of positive emotion whether it's love happiness joy opportunity so the the concept behind naming it AMOR is because you know we could have named it the love token I'm pretty sure there's a love token already but you know our teams like a global team we're all we're from all over the world we're super diverse are from different cultures backgrounds, educational like like degrees, like we want to be inclusive and so we wanted to name it AMOR because we felt like it was a more global kind of word for what we're trying to convey and hopefully you know as the the token is born and people are able to like use it for governance and other features within the ecosystem that they can feel the love and the value hopefully that we're generating for this human connection.

Matt Zahab: 23:40

I think token names are such a powerful branding and marketing aspect now like the actual ticker you know i mean like the dollar sign and then the whatever it is usually the three to five letter or number mix and the fact that you guys have AMOR token is absolutely brilliant and I think that will definitely pop off when it's time to raise some money give me a call I'd love to jump in there. I want to talk about some fun NFT projects What are your favorite ones on open see right now with a classic Ethereum I'm not getting into the by Nance or the the polygon or the they're the salon of apes What are your favorite Ethereum OpenSea o g products

Kyle Gordon: 24:16

wow so i think i think the the DoinGud team and some of our financial contributors will probably be happy to hear this but um, I have to right now off the top of my head I've participated in a lot. Some of them I really believe in if I if I had to pick two right now that I am like so bullish on. The first one is a project called 10 ktf. You might have heard of it you might not you might have seen some really cool board, ape sneakers or backpacks kind of floating around on Twitter. You might have seen people tweeting about it a little bit. There's not a lot known about it but basically it was a sneaker and backpack pf project that allowed you to mint, kind of these apparel and swag for like a small fee from a website that has like a shopkeeper. And it's really beautifully done and there's a narrative. It's actually done by by some of who I consider my mentors and a company I used to intern for like a decade ago called possible productions. This is like the best team probably one of the best teams in the creative world. Not a lot of people know about it. But for sure people is attached to it. They actually have their own NFT company called we now w e dot n e w. Or sorry, we knew and they just did the Wembley NFTs they did the Louis Vuitton NFT drop they created the Louis Vuitton video game. That's my like just just just look and you'll see that the team behind this is insane.

Matt Zahab: 25:56

I'm looking right now folks at home I will put this in the show notes. It is some of the cleanest art. I actually did see this all over Twitter about I want to say five, six weeks ago. It is like the lines, the colors, the shadows, everything is so on point. Incredible.

Kyle Gordon: 26:11

Yeah.

Matt Zahab: 26:12

Tell me your second one.

Kyle Gordon: 26:12

The second one is a project called fluff f UFLU. f. They are 3d generative bunnies that are going to be going towards a metaverse play with staking and mycelium tokens and breeding. The team is unbelievable. They're connected to like the universe x y z team. They are going to be AI powered by a company called altered state machine who just recently had a huge investment from outlier ventures and animoca huge huge potential and the floor has kind of been sleeping between like point five and point seven the last couple of weeks. I have a lot of fluffs I know a lot of our team members have a lot of flops we loved it when we first saw it and it's it's really unique from any other project we've seen considering there's generative music in the background you can change the backgrounds there's a lot of potential here I highly recommend hopping into like their discord and like actually like listening to the teams ama's these guys are so smart and doing like really incredible stuff

Matt Zahab: 27:17

I absolutely love these I managed to snag one of these as well any recommendations on traits that I should be looking for

Kyle Gordon: 27:23

rare furs

Matt Zahab: 27:24

Furs are where it's at

Kyle Gordon: 27:25

Yeah, I would check out the rare furs and then maybe like cool hats and stuff obviously it's like the same kind of Rarity traits as other projects where like the lower supply ones like the crowns and the gold jackets and the holographic hats are like the rarest. But definitely the first because there's some zombies in there there's actually some Hearst furs as well and they actually apply like famous paintings as furs on the fluffs if you look deep enough

Matt Zahab: 27:53

these are these are pricey though like I just checked out the hawk the retro the blue blood all these zombies the zombie red floor is what is the floor for the zombie read 2.2 like

Kyle Gordon: 28:05

Yeah

Matt Zahab: 28:05

that's you know that's getting up there so okay well

Kyle Gordon: 28:08

It's getting up there but you don't have to go ham on a on a rare for

Matt Zahab: 28:12

right

Kyle Gordon: 28:12

I still think you know plenty of people are extremely successful buying floor once

Matt Zahab: 28:18

Of course

Kyle Gordon: 28:18

actually the rare ones can end up being harder to sell in the future.

Matt Zahab: 28:22

Whilst that true and once a project pops off to it doesn't matter if you have a floor run like crypto punks or byc or even cool cats as an example once

Kyle Gordon: 28:30

yep

Matt Zahab: 28:31

once the once the floor really rises and the project pops off it's more about aesthetics what is pleasing to the general public what is it's more about the art and less about the trades you know what I mean?

Kyle Gordon: 28:41

Yeah, man

Matt Zahab: 28:42

So that's awesome. One quick question for you Kyle as an artist yourself how empowering and like how fired up do you get just seeing artists who no one knew about only their friends and family their small network? Then now they're world famous? Like how many lives have been changed in this NFT space? It absolutely like it just fires me up. I absolutely love it. I've goosebumps just talking about this. And I am a very on artsy guy. I'm I wish I had more creative juices like you did or like you do rather but like explain that feeling to me. How happy does this make you

Kyle Gordon: 29:17

man? The reason I'm all in on this is because I really believe like it's it's a digital Renaissance. You know, obviously for all creators everywhere, you know, having a tied to cryptocurrency kind of removes them from the constrictions that might be had from like inflation in their local currency and other things. You know, there's these global currencies in the sense that aren't affected by local inflation or policies or you know, lower wages. And I think the opportunity presents for artists is so huge because a lot of artists dream Being able to support themselves from making what they want to make. And right now the system, especially for digital artists, there is no system or was no system. Like the typical route for like a digital artists, a 3d animator, like a CGI person is, you know, you either independently contract and you don't know when your next projects gonna be. If you're really good, you end up kind of just having consistent work over time. But you don't really you have like a pretty flat cap on the total amount you can make unless you work yourself to death,

Matt Zahab: 30:34

right

Kyle Gordon: 30:35

It doesn't leave a lot of room for creative flexibility. Another route is you get a studio job. And then you end up making movies etc. The route I took is I went music and I surprisingly, most of the really well known and famous NFT artists actually used to make concert visuals. And so these were all people making music videos, like entire music video, probably for three grand, like three and a half minutes of custom animation. And oftentimes you get no credit, you have to sign a contract saying that you did not work on the project that you can't share it in your portfolio, you can't put your name anywhere on it, and that you have to relinquish full rights to it. And so just from a rights standpoint, like money aside, this space is so big for creators, because it actually creates a space for true collaboration and rights and credit where it normally it wasn't due, or it wasn't received. And so at least like for my colleagues and the people who I'm seeing, like doing so well in this space, it's beautiful to see, you know, the roles have flipped, where now musicians and other people are approaching these people and want to do a 5050 split for their name for their work. And I think that's what's excites me the most. And a funny story about that when I first got into this space, like someone who I really looked up to was people. And as I saw this space, gaining momentum and growing. I wanted like a momento to like have on my desk that I can be like, you know what, like, I'm so stoked to be digital artists and a creator and like part of this movement. Like what a better way to do that then spend $1,000 on this people nifty gateway drop and have this physical piece. And at the time, I had no assumptions about value or anything. It was like his second NFT thing. And clearly that ended up being one of the best investments I ever made.

Matt Zahab: 32:37

Can I see it?

Kyle Gordon: 32:38

I'm not gonna sell it because I want it on my desk as

Matt Zahab: 32:43

do you have a desk right now.

Kyle Gordon: 32:45

I don't have it on my desk. It's sitting in a box and fortunately I actually have a few of them now and they're in biases because I'm not sure I don't I don't know what to do with them yet to be completely honest. I need to think about it a little bit.

Matt Zahab: 32:59

I love that Kyle this has been absolutely incredible appreciate you jumping on you have any questions for me before we wrap up?

Kyle Gordon: 33:04

Um, yeah, what excites you about this space right now? like where do you see the space moving? Like what do you think platform providers and people like what we're doing can do in order to like, you know, spread the word like help others get involved in the space? Make this space more accessible to everyone?

Matt Zahab: 33:24

That's that's a that is a trillion dollar question right there. I it excites me every day I'm definitely addicted, I can tell from your smile and your body language and just the energy and the vibe, you're projecting that you're also hooked. And that's what I tell all my peers on my friends family doesn't matter who's in my network whenever I get asked about it. And I'm very fortunate that I am someone that people come to and ask about this stuff. I just try to give them some my time. You know, I'm unfortunately very busy, but I'll try to set aside 15-20 minutes, help them set up their opensea, well, I guess you know, start with Fiat to crypto onboarding ramp and then setting up a meta mask, setting up an open sea and just helping them go through the space and all I tell people is just buy one, once you buy one NFT and you follow them on Twitter and you join the discord, and you have 10,000 or sometimes 35,000 new friends and you more so than that family who all have the same goals and aspirations you do. They all want to, you know, make some good money and have fun and all love the art that you also love. It's a very powerful feeling. Very euphoric, and it's just again, it's addicting. I don't have an addictive personality. And, you know, every day I'm just spending my time looking at NF T's and trying to grow the space in regards to how we can help the whole mass adoption I think it's just like you talked about how DoinGud is really breaking down those barriers. I think it's it's a very again, that's a multitrillion dollar question, but it's just making things easy. Just like back when people would have to use dial up internet and the early 2000s and now it's like you know, without your phone hotspot, you could be in the desert rant. artica boom, you're dancing like it'll come I'm not too worried about that. That's all part of the process, but I just I love it it's every day it excites me and I I'm You and I are in the same yard I truly believe it's going to eat absolutely every industry because it's just empowering so many people and there's you know 100 more like a million acts more good than bad in the space and that's rare so for all those reasons I'm Max Max bullish on NFTs and in the crypto ecosystem as a whole

Kyle Gordon: 35:21

it's amazing man. I think you answered it perfectly.

Matt Zahab: 35:24

I love it. Kyle appreciate you coming on I could talk to you for days you're super cool guy and heck, I'd love to have a couple pints of this sometime as well but really appreciate you jumping on before we let you go Can you please let our guests know where they can find you and doing good on socials and online?

Kyle Gordon: 35:40

Yeah, absolutely. So anyone who wants to connect with us learn more about the project. We actually just released our light paper today so make sure to check it out. Our social media handles are doing good HQ that's the o i n g UDHQ. You can find us on Twitter and all over the internet. We're pretty active on all of our social channels. And if you want to get involved talk with us learn have any questions about what we're doing, you can go to our website doing good calm, or you can check us out on our discord or telegram channels as well enjoying the community. All the founders and team members are pretty active on there. So like hop in ask a question. We're more than likely to respond to you pretty quickly

Matt Zahab: 36:23

Kyle You're the man appreciate you jumping on we'll definitely have you on for round two. I know you guys have a very packed roadmap so looking forward to chat in a couple months down the road thanks again appreciate it.

Kyle Gordon: 36:32

Thank you

Matt Zahab: 36:32

Folks. This was Kyle Gordon from doing good, amazing team amazing project and they are literally doing good giving back the community absolutely love to see that. As always I will include all the show notes and everything you will ever need in the show notes it'll all be good appreciate you listening Love you all big shout out to the team as well you staff through the man couldn't be doing this without you. He's our amazing sound editor. Thanks for listening folks. Stay safe, keep having fun, keep growing. Those bags will keep in touch and bye for now.