{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":0.93,"endTime":1.68,"body":"Hello, everybody."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":1.68,"endTime":2.96,"body":"Welcome to Fire Science Show."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2.96,"endTime":4.05,"body":"Session 42."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":4.322,"endTime":7.483,"body":"Judged by the number, I guess"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":4.322,"endTime":7.483,"body":"you could expect it will"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":7.483,"endTime":9.073,"body":"contain all the answers."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":9.17,"endTime":10.25,"body":"In the fire safety."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":10.28,"endTime":13.513,"body":"Well, Maybe it does not have"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":10.28,"endTime":13.513,"body":"all the answers in the fire"},{"speaker":"Wojciech 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