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grow,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2748.934,"endTime":2750.584,"body":"develop as an engineer."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2751.064,"endTime":2752.264,"body":"So Gus great job."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2752.294,"endTime":2754.484,"body":"You're doing their"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2752.294,"endTime":2754.484,"body":"keep podcasting man."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2754.484,"endTime":2758.384,"body":"And I hope we'll"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2754.484,"endTime":2758.384,"body":"do this once more."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2758.864,"endTime":2759.404,"body":"Soon."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2759.644,"endTime":2760.334,"body":"It was good."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2760.334,"endTime":2763.754,"body":"It was really fun too, to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2760.334,"endTime":2763.754,"body":"take over your audience and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2763.754,"endTime":2765.314,"body":"share my audience with you."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2765.344,"endTime":2768.104,"body":"So thanks Gus and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2765.344,"endTime":2768.104,"body":"all your listening."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2768.224,"endTime":2771.164,"body":"Well, Next Wednesday,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2768.224,"endTime":2771.164,"body":"next episodes."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2771.224,"endTime":2773.264,"body":"So make sure you come here"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2773.364,"endTime":2776.724,"body":"and for a Fire Code Tech the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2773.364,"endTime":2776.724,"body":"episodes are on Monday one week."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2776.724,"endTime":2780.174,"body":"It's uh, interview format"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2776.724,"endTime":2780.174,"body":"and other week it is."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2780.654,"endTime":2784.134,"body":"A solo cast format where Gus"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2780.654,"endTime":2784.134,"body":"just discusses some interesting"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2784.164,"endTime":2787.854,"body":"aspects of codes and technology"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2784.164,"endTime":2787.854,"body":"and fire safety engineering."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2788.124,"endTime":2790.164,"body":"So an interesting"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2788.124,"endTime":2790.164,"body":"twist in podcasting."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2790.164,"endTime":2792.294,"body":"I like it very much and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2790.164,"endTime":2792.294,"body":"I hope you do as well."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2792.666,"endTime":2793.716,"body":"Anyway, that is it."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2793.746,"endTime":2796.806,"body":"Thank you very much for"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2793.746,"endTime":2796.806,"body":"being here and see around."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2796.836,"endTime":2797.346,"body":"Cheers."}]}