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you."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2933.717,"endTime":2936.027,"body":"Szymon I hope you also"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2933.717,"endTime":2936.027,"body":"left a five-star review."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2936.417,"endTime":2936.657,"body":"Man."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2936.687,"endTime":2937.647,"body":"It's so funny."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2937.977,"endTime":2940.347,"body":"And the guests do"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2937.977,"endTime":2940.347,"body":"the job for you."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2940.347,"endTime":2942.387,"body":"And it's kind of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2940.347,"endTime":2942.387,"body":"awkward sometimes."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2942.403,"endTime":2943.663,"body":"to do this call for action."},{"speaker":"Wojciech 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