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Wegrzynski","startTime":2570.286,"endTime":2572.866,"body":"for the glass, you've"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2572.866,"endTime":2573.766,"body":"received three panels."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2574.426,"endTime":2575.806,"body":"I guess that's,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2574.426,"endTime":2575.806,"body":"that's also good."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2576.136,"endTime":2579.766,"body":"And uh the glass coming"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2576.136,"endTime":2579.766,"body":"next week see the ansi next"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2579.766,"endTime":2581.086,"body":"wednesday thank you bye"}]}