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on."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3524.709,"endTime":3526.419,"body":"Eventually they'll be removed."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3526.809,"endTime":3531.849,"body":"I'm really looking forward to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3526.809,"endTime":3531.849,"body":"this level of detail, switch in"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3531.849,"endTime":3533.469,"body":"Revit if they can make it work."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3533.864,"endTime":3538.214,"body":"It will be brilliant and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3533.864,"endTime":3538.214,"body":"it will solve so many of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3538.214,"endTime":3540.734,"body":"the issues we we have with"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3538.214,"endTime":3540.734,"body":"this technology today."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3541.184,"endTime":3544.004,"body":"So absolutely looking"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3541.184,"endTime":3544.004,"body":"forward to the future."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3544.004,"endTime":3547.934,"body":"And I'm very, very happy to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3544.004,"endTime":3547.934,"body":"have had this conversation"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3547.934,"endTime":3548.924,"body":"with Pete and Reno."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3548.924,"endTime":3550.544,"body":"And guys, thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3550.724,"endTime":3553.424,"body":"It was really nice to learn BI."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3554.144,"endTime":3554.534,"body":"From you."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3554.819,"endTime":3557.064,"body":"so that's it for today, guys."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3557.424,"endTime":3560.424,"body":"I hope you've enjoyed"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3557.424,"endTime":3560.424,"body":"this as much as I did."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3560.424,"endTime":3562.134,"body":"I mean, if you're"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3560.424,"endTime":3562.134,"body":"still listening, I"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3562.134,"endTime":3563.514,"body":"guess that is the case."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3563.934,"endTime":3568.194,"body":"as usual, I am looking forward"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3563.934,"endTime":3568.194,"body":"to meet you here next Wednesday."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3568.314,"endTime":3568.704,"body":"Cheers."}]}