{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":0.48,"endTime":1.98,"body":"Hello,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":0.48,"endTime":1.98,"body":"everyone, welcome to episode"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":1.98,"endTime":5.97,"body":"five of the Fire Science Show."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":1.98,"endTime":5.97,"body":"Today another episode, another"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":5.97,"endTime":9.33,"body":"important issue that troubles"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":5.97,"endTime":9.33,"body":"many fire safety engineers and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":9.69,"endTime":14.52,"body":"myself included. We're gonna"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":9.69,"endTime":14.52,"body":"talk battery fires and electric"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":14.52,"endTime":19.32,"body":"vehicle fires, the knowledge on"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":14.52,"endTime":19.32,"body":"this type of fires in in"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":19.77,"endTime":23.13,"body":"neverending demands for fire"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":19.77,"endTime":23.13,"body":"safety engineering, so I hope"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":23.13,"endTime":27.18,"body":"you'll truly enjoy this one,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":23.13,"endTime":27.18,"body":"it's gonna be a bit different,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":27.18,"endTime":30.21,"body":"it's gonna be a two piece"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":27.18,"endTime":30.21,"body":"episode. In part one I'm"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":30.21,"endTime":33.93,"body":"welcoming with me, Roeland"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":30.21,"endTime":33.93,"body":"Bisschop was a project manager"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":33.93,"endTime":37.23,"body":"at RISE in Sweden, who will"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":33.93,"endTime":37.23,"body":"share his firsthand experience"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":37.23,"endTime":41.28,"body":"in burning some of electric"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":37.23,"endTime":41.28,"body":"vehicles and what they've"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":41.28,"endTime":45.27,"body":"learned while doing that. And"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":41.28,"endTime":45.27,"body":"I'm very happy to learn from"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":45.27,"endTime":49.92,"body":"him, because it's some really"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":45.27,"endTime":49.92,"body":"important data points for my own"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":49.92,"endTime":53.7,"body":"research. And in the next"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":49.92,"endTime":53.7,"body":"episode, the next week, I'm"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":53.7,"endTime":57.42,"body":"going to take the mic and tell"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":53.7,"endTime":57.42,"body":"you a little bit of our research"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":57.81,"endTime":61.14,"body":"on what are the consequences of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":57.81,"endTime":61.14,"body":"electric vehicle fires in modern"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":61.14,"endTime":65.73,"body":"car parks. And if there are any"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":61.14,"endTime":65.73,"body":"solutions that we can already"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":66.21,"endTime":69.54,"body":"implement, despite the fact that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":66.21,"endTime":69.54,"body":"the knowledge is limited, the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":69.54,"endTime":74.55,"body":"data is limited. And yeah, we"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":69.54,"endTime":74.55,"body":"kind of have to work with what"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":74.55,"endTime":78.09,"body":"we have. That's the only"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":74.55,"endTime":78.09,"body":"solution. So yeah, I hope you"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":78.09,"endTime":80.61,"body":"will enjoy this interview and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":78.09,"endTime":80.61,"body":"the next episode that will"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":80.61,"endTime":84.03,"body":"follow in the next week. So"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":80.61,"endTime":84.03,"body":"without further ado, let's spin"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":84.03,"endTime":85.77,"body":"the intro and jump into the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":84.03,"endTime":85.77,"body":"episode."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":90.52,"endTime":93.73,"body":"Welcome to the Fire Science"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":90.52,"endTime":93.73,"body":"Show. My name is Wojciech"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":93.82,"endTime":95.89,"body":"Wgrzyski, and I will be your"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":93.82,"endTime":95.89,"body":"host."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":111.1,"endTime":115.15,"body":"Hello, everybody. Today I'm here"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":111.1,"endTime":115.15,"body":"with Roeland Bishop from RISE in"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":115.15,"endTime":120.01,"body":"Sweden, with whom I'll discuss"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":115.15,"endTime":120.01,"body":"the topic of electric vehicle"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":120.01,"endTime":124.24,"body":"fires and car battery fires."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":120.01,"endTime":124.24,"body":"Hey, Roeland, thanks for joining"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":124.24,"endTime":124.54,"body":"me."},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":124.84,"endTime":126.97,"body":"Hello. Thank"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":124.84,"endTime":126.97,"body":"you. Thank you for having me."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":127.48,"endTime":129.76,"body":"Can you"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":127.48,"endTime":129.76,"body":"introduce yourself a bit? How"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":129.76,"endTime":132.46,"body":"did you land up doing the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":129.76,"endTime":132.46,"body":"battery fires?"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":132.67,"endTime":136.33,"body":"It's a long"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":132.67,"endTime":136.33,"body":"story? But yeah, my name is"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":136.33,"endTime":140.74,"body":"Roeland. I'm originally from the"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":136.33,"endTime":140.74,"body":"Netherlands and eventually moved"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":140.74,"endTime":144.1,"body":"to Sweden for some studies as a"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":140.74,"endTime":144.1,"body":"mechanical engineer, met my"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":144.1,"endTime":149.02,"body":"girlfriend here and ended up"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":144.1,"endTime":149.02,"body":"staying here. But yeah, I'm not"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":149.05,"endTime":153.1,"body":"I'm not like an fire engineer or"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":149.05,"endTime":153.1,"body":"electro/chemical or electrical"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":153.1,"endTime":156.7,"body":"engineer. I'm just a mechanical"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":153.1,"endTime":156.7,"body":"engineer who kind of ended up in"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":156.7,"endTime":161.11,"body":"the whole battery research area"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":156.7,"endTime":161.11,"body":"because that was kind of growing"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":161.11,"endTime":165.22,"body":"so fast. At RISE. When I started"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":161.11,"endTime":165.22,"body":"working there, the need for"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":165.25,"endTime":167.38,"body":"doing tests and gaining"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":165.25,"endTime":167.38,"body":"knowledge in that area was"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":167.38,"endTime":171.73,"body":"growing so fast, so I had to"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":167.38,"endTime":171.73,"body":"grow along with it. So to say."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":171.78,"endTime":174.3,"body":"That's not"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":171.78,"endTime":174.3,"body":"an uncommon story, like both"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":174.3,"endTime":180.78,"body":"stories. I brought you here"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":174.3,"endTime":180.78,"body":"because I I've read your paper"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":180.78,"endTime":184.56,"body":"written with Hong Kong"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":180.78,"endTime":184.56,"body":"Polytechnic University. I think"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":184.56,"endTime":189.15,"body":"it was first authored by Peiyi"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":184.56,"endTime":189.15,"body":"Sun. It's a review on on battery"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":189.15,"endTime":193.38,"body":"fires in electric vehicles. And,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":189.15,"endTime":193.38,"body":"and I must say this, this paper"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":193.38,"endTime":197.97,"body":"was so useful to me, because I'm"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":193.38,"endTime":197.97,"body":"trying to research the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":197.97,"endTime":203.55,"body":"consequences of fires in car"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":197.97,"endTime":203.55,"body":"parks. And I would really love"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":203.58,"endTime":209.94,"body":"to learn how these fires of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":203.58,"endTime":209.94,"body":"electric vehicles, battery fires"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":209.94,"endTime":213.24,"body":"and electric vehicles, how do"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":209.94,"endTime":213.24,"body":"they differ from from the fires"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":213.24,"endTime":216.87,"body":"that we meet every day in"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":213.24,"endTime":216.87,"body":"designing the car parks, the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":216.87,"endTime":220.98,"body":"ones that we've been studying"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":216.87,"endTime":220.98,"body":"and learning from for decades."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":221.43,"endTime":228.03,"body":"So um, the first thing is, when"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":221.43,"endTime":228.03,"body":"I see the videos of electric"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":228.03,"endTime":232.17,"body":"vehicle fires, if you like go"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":228.03,"endTime":232.17,"body":"YouTube go electric vehicle"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":232.17,"endTime":236.1,"body":"fire, you'll find a lot of them"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":232.17,"endTime":236.1,"body":"and, every now and then there's"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":236.1,"endTime":240.72,"body":"a new one. And they seem very"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":236.1,"endTime":240.72,"body":"similar to each other in the way"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":240.72,"endTime":245.07,"body":"that there's usually this huge"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":240.72,"endTime":245.07,"body":"cloud of smoke coming from from"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":245.07,"endTime":249.18,"body":"nowhere, this this huge jet of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":245.07,"endTime":249.18,"body":"flames coming from out of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":249.18,"endTime":254.13,"body":"nowhere and very, like rapid"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":249.18,"endTime":254.13,"body":"development into this jet fire"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":254.4,"endTime":258.15,"body":"type of fire. So is this"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":254.4,"endTime":258.15,"body":"something that touching the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":258.15,"endTime":260.07,"body":"subject scientifically you also"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":258.15,"endTime":260.07,"body":"observe?"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":260.0,"endTime":263.75,"body":"Yeah, I would"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":260.0,"endTime":263.75,"body":"say there are many different"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":263.75,"endTime":267.92,"body":"ways in which batteries or"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":263.75,"endTime":267.92,"body":"battery packs can fail and what"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":267.92,"endTime":271.43,"body":"the outcome outcome may be. But"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":267.92,"endTime":271.43,"body":"if you just look at like the"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":271.85,"endTime":275.45,"body":"lithium ion battery cells"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":271.85,"endTime":275.45,"body":"themselves, when we do test we"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":275.45,"endTime":279.98,"body":"see first, when we start abusing"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":275.45,"endTime":279.98,"body":"them, we overcharge them or we"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":279.98,"endTime":283.34,"body":"heat them up or whatever. They"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":279.98,"endTime":283.34,"body":"will released like a cloud of"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":283.34,"endTime":286.52,"body":"smoke, they'll pop like they"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":283.34,"endTime":286.52,"body":"build up pressure, they pop they"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":286.52,"endTime":291.14,"body":"release small cloud of smoke."},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":286.52,"endTime":291.14,"body":"And that already is like"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":291.14,"endTime":295.91,"body":"flammable. cloud of smoke. It's"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":291.14,"endTime":295.91,"body":"not a very large amount. Nothing"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":295.94,"endTime":301.1,"body":"major is happening yet then. But"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":295.94,"endTime":301.1,"body":"if we then keep pushing the"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":301.1,"endTime":305.54,"body":"battery keep abusing and then we"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":301.1,"endTime":305.54,"body":"get into this thermal runaway"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":305.54,"endTime":310.13,"body":"stage and the battery releases"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":305.54,"endTime":310.13,"body":"lots of gas very rapidly, which"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":310.13,"endTime":313.88,"body":"may or may not ignite, sometimes"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":310.13,"endTime":313.88,"body":"it does, sometimes it doesn't."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":314.21,"endTime":318.08,"body":"So it's"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":314.21,"endTime":318.08,"body":"like a cascading fire of the of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":318.08,"endTime":320.33,"body":"the smaller cells within the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":318.08,"endTime":320.33,"body":"whole battery pack?"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":320.33,"endTime":323.66,"body":"Yeah, so this"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":320.33,"endTime":323.66,"body":"process will happen to each cell"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":323.69,"endTime":327.53,"body":"in the in the battery pack, and"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":323.69,"endTime":327.53,"body":"how it will cascade through the"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":327.53,"endTime":332.36,"body":"battery pack. 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There are many, many"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":347.42,"endTime":347.99,"body":"variables."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":349.52,"endTime":352.13,"body":"Obviously,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":349.52,"endTime":352.13,"body":"it is a whole emerging field of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":352.13,"endTime":356.3,"body":"science, it's not something you"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":352.13,"endTime":356.3,"body":"can answer with a single with"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":356.45,"endTime":357.35,"body":"single answer."},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":358.04,"endTime":360.05,"body":"It's kind of"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":358.04,"endTime":360.05,"body":"annoying, cuz usually when we"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":360.05,"endTime":362.9,"body":"get questions like this from"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":360.05,"endTime":362.9,"body":"from a customer, they say,"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":362.9,"endTime":366.44,"body":"\"Okay, if my battery goes into"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":362.9,"endTime":366.44,"body":"thermal runaway, what will"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":366.44,"endTime":370.97,"body":"happen?\" And I say, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":366.44,"endTime":370.97,"body":"depends."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":372.26,"endTime":375.77,"body":"I think"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":372.26,"endTime":375.77,"body":"it's the, in the media in the in"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":375.77,"endTime":380.99,"body":"the internet, you are probably"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":375.77,"endTime":380.99,"body":"biased towards the outcomes that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":380.99,"endTime":386.63,"body":"are most visually impressive."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":380.99,"endTime":386.63,"body":"What I mean, there was this"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":387.02,"endTime":392.57,"body":"famous viral video of a fire in"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":387.02,"endTime":392.57,"body":"Shanghai, I think that where"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":392.93,"endTime":397.58,"body":"there was a electric vehicle,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":392.93,"endTime":397.58,"body":"and it's very rapidly developed"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":397.61,"endTime":402.08,"body":"into a large fire. 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Is that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2408.58,"endTime":2413.92,"body":"the strategy or? Or is just PR"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2414.47,"endTime":2416.96,"body":"yeah no I"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2414.47,"endTime":2416.96,"body":"wouldn't say that's PR I think"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2416.96,"endTime":2422.03,"body":"that's a viable strategy. There"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2416.96,"endTime":2422.03,"body":"are some things of course you"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2422.03,"endTime":2425.42,"body":"need to consider that you you"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2422.03,"endTime":2425.42,"body":"may have a burning vehicle and"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2425.42,"endTime":2428.18,"body":"how are you going to handle a"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2425.42,"endTime":2428.18,"body":"burning vehicle with a crane and"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2428.18,"endTime":2431.72,"body":"lift it into a place like doing"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2428.18,"endTime":2431.72,"body":"that procedures and you will"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2431.72,"endTime":2436.97,"body":"have to be careful of course,"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2431.72,"endTime":2436.97,"body":"but it will be more efficient"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2436.97,"endTime":2440.9,"body":"than spraying water on the"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2436.97,"endTime":2440.9,"body":"outside of a car battery pack"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2440.9,"endTime":2444.5,"body":"and some of the benefits of"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2440.9,"endTime":2444.5,"body":"taking the car and putting it in"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2444.5,"endTime":2448.28,"body":"a container filling the"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2444.5,"endTime":2448.28,"body":"container with water any any"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2448.28,"endTime":2452.54,"body":"like byproducts from the fire,"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2448.28,"endTime":2452.54,"body":"water runoff, etc. It's all"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2452.6,"endTime":2457.22,"body":"contained in that container. So"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2452.6,"endTime":2457.22,"body":"you can take the Yeah, the fire"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2457.22,"endTime":2460.25,"body":"water and destroy Yeah. And"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2460.28,"endTime":2462.53,"body":"that that's"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2460.28,"endTime":2462.53,"body":"a that's a very very, very good"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2462.53,"endTime":2467.27,"body":"point you mentioned because in"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2462.53,"endTime":2467.27,"body":"fact, the fire science has a"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2467.27,"endTime":2472.31,"body":"history of developing very, very"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2467.27,"endTime":2472.31,"body":"efficient extinguishing methods"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2472.55,"endTime":2475.88,"body":"like we used to use halons and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2472.55,"endTime":2475.88,"body":"then we figured out they"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2475.88,"endTime":2479.9,"body":"destroyed the atmosphere. 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You want to remove"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2558.91,"endTime":2563.44,"body":"the flaming in its Yeah, in"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2558.91,"endTime":2563.44,"body":"another way. No, you don't want"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2563.44,"endTime":2568.9,"body":"to remove the flaming either."},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2563.44,"endTime":2568.9,"body":"Because Yeah, when when we see"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2568.9,"endTime":2573.01,"body":"batteries that are burning,"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2568.9,"endTime":2573.01,"body":"we're not worried. It's fine. If"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2573.01,"endTime":2575.59,"body":"we see a battery that is not"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2573.01,"endTime":2575.59,"body":"burning and it's releasing a lot"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2575.59,"endTime":2577.87,"body":"of gas. 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They are designed to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2626.86,"endTime":2630.31,"body":"handle a single vehicle fire."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2630.76,"endTime":2636.07,"body":"And usually it's you would not"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2630.76,"endTime":2636.07,"body":"expect it from a single vehicle"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2636.07,"endTime":2639.01,"body":"I would not expect the damage to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2636.07,"endTime":2639.01,"body":"the car park that would be"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2639.28,"endTime":2643.93,"body":"dangerous for the for the entire"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2639.28,"endTime":2643.93,"body":"car park. 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You don't have any"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2870.43,"endTime":2873.19,"body":"safety in the charger itself."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2875.58,"endTime":2876.75,"body":"My neighbor"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2875.58,"endTime":2876.75,"body":"does that."},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2879.39,"endTime":2880.35,"body":"Time to move I"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2879.39,"endTime":2880.35,"body":"think"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2880.83,"endTime":2883.5,"body":"I'm a bit"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2880.83,"endTime":2883.5,"body":"concerned now. Maybe Maybe,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2883.53,"endTime":2887.22,"body":"maybe I'll just build a wall"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2883.53,"endTime":2887.22,"body":"between us. And then it actually"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2887.22,"endTime":2892.32,"body":"is in Poland. I mean, everywhere"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2887.22,"endTime":2892.32,"body":"we are we as engineers have to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2892.32,"endTime":2896.7,"body":"deal with this problem. Because"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2892.32,"endTime":2896.7,"body":"as we as we spoken in the green"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2896.7,"endTime":2899.64,"body":"room, it's difficult to ban this"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2896.7,"endTime":2899.64,"body":"and banning is not a solution."},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2899.64,"endTime":2900.87,"body":"It's not the"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2899.64,"endTime":2900.87,"body":"solution."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2901.11,"endTime":2904.65,"body":"Yeah. 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But they will cool the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2952.2,"endTime":2956.94,"body":"gases around they will limit the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2956.94,"endTime":2960.72,"body":"probability of fire jumping to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2956.94,"endTime":2960.72,"body":"another vehicle. So again,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2961.32,"endTime":2966.06,"body":"isolating is seems like like if"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2961.32,"endTime":2966.06,"body":"I had to propose something to an"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2966.06,"endTime":2971.76,"body":"architect tomorrow, isolating"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2966.06,"endTime":2971.76,"body":"vehicles after this talk sounds"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2971.76,"endTime":2975.93,"body":"like a very good idea. I have"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2971.76,"endTime":2975.93,"body":"some other ideas but that's for"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2975.93,"endTime":2977.31,"body":"another episode."},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2977.7,"endTime":2980.16,"body":"And it's not"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2977.7,"endTime":2980.16,"body":"only positive for electric"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2980.16,"endTime":2983.37,"body":"vehicles of course I mean for"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2980.16,"endTime":2983.37,"body":"for all even internal combustion"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2983.37,"endTime":2987.81,"body":"engine vehicles. This This can"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":2983.37,"endTime":2987.81,"body":"be an issue. 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I learned a"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":2994.8,"endTime":3000.23,"body":"lot about about this fires And"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3000.26,"endTime":3004.07,"body":"there's so many things going"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3000.26,"endTime":3004.07,"body":"through my head, how to put that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3004.07,"endTime":3008.27,"body":"into the knowledge into"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3004.07,"endTime":3008.27,"body":"practice. 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And I hope that there"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3076.39,"endTime":3081.07,"body":"will be a lot of new"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3081.07,"endTime":3085.0,"body":"developments from RISE and and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3081.07,"endTime":3085.0,"body":"your team in this regard."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3085.0,"endTime":3088.54,"body":"Because so far, you have"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3085.0,"endTime":3088.54,"body":"provided priceless points of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3088.54,"endTime":3093.1,"body":"view on on topic that we barely"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3088.54,"endTime":3093.1,"body":"know anything on. So yeah,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3093.16,"endTime":3096.37,"body":"everything is needed. Thank you"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3093.16,"endTime":3096.37,"body":"so much. And yeah, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3096.37,"endTime":3098.5,"body":"much for thinking they invite"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3096.37,"endTime":3098.5,"body":"and"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":3098.65,"endTime":3099.34,"body":"No worries."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3099.55,"endTime":3101.71,"body":"See around."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3099.55,"endTime":3101.71,"body":"Thank so much."},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":3101.71,"endTime":3103.27,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Roeland Bisschop","startTime":3101.71,"endTime":3103.27,"body":"having me. Bye, bye."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3104.32,"endTime":3107.14,"body":"Yep, that's"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3104.32,"endTime":3107.14,"body":"it for the interview. I hope you"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3107.14,"endTime":3110.23,"body":"enjoyed that. I certainly did."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3107.14,"endTime":3110.23,"body":"I've learned so much from"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3110.23,"endTime":3114.1,"body":"Roeland and it's gonna be very"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3110.23,"endTime":3114.1,"body":"useful to my science and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3114.1,"endTime":3118.72,"body":"engineering. I was quite"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3114.1,"endTime":3118.72,"body":"surprised at the bigger"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3118.72,"endTime":3121.96,"body":"challenges with what when the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3118.72,"endTime":3121.96,"body":"battery does not ignite, when it"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3121.96,"endTime":3125.56,"body":"just releases toxic gases and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3121.96,"endTime":3125.56,"body":"flammable gases. But when you"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3125.56,"endTime":3130.12,"body":"think about it kind of makes"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3125.56,"endTime":3130.12,"body":"sense with fire we can do when"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3130.12,"endTime":3134.2,"body":"it's a poisonous cloud, it"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3130.12,"endTime":3134.2,"body":"probably poses a completely"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3134.2,"endTime":3137.62,"body":"different set of challenges. 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The results are quite"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3165.46,"endTime":3169.18,"body":"interesting. And we've"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3169.18,"endTime":3171.82,"body":"definitely identified height of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3169.18,"endTime":3171.82,"body":"the car park as one of the main"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3171.82,"endTime":3176.71,"body":"variables. We've run 480 CFD"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3171.82,"endTime":3176.71,"body":"simulations. So there's a lot of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3176.74,"endTime":3181.21,"body":"findings inside of that. So I"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3176.74,"endTime":3181.21,"body":"hope I'll be able to tell you"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3181.21,"endTime":3185.38,"body":"the biggest findings from that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3181.21,"endTime":3185.38,"body":"and give you some of my own"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3185.38,"endTime":3190.96,"body":"thoughts on how can we make car"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3185.38,"endTime":3190.96,"body":"parks safe, including electric"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3190.96,"endTime":3195.94,"body":"vehicles in them with the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3190.96,"endTime":3195.94,"body":"knowledge we have today, with"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3195.94,"endTime":3199.21,"body":"the best practices as of today,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3195.94,"endTime":3199.21,"body":"because I think it's very"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3199.21,"endTime":3202.51,"body":"important, we don't have time to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3199.21,"endTime":3202.51,"body":"wait for all the research to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3202.51,"endTime":3206.83,"body":"end. And as Roeland said today,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3202.51,"endTime":3206.83,"body":"the developments in battery"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3206.83,"endTime":3209.38,"body":"technologies are probably"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3206.83,"endTime":3209.38,"body":"quicker than the ability of the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3209.38,"endTime":3213.82,"body":"fire community to understand"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3209.38,"endTime":3213.82,"body":"them. So yeah, we have to work"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3213.82,"endTime":3216.49,"body":"with what we have. And that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3213.82,"endTime":3216.49,"body":"that's the next episodes gonna"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3216.49,"endTime":3221.71,"body":"be about. So thank you for being"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3216.49,"endTime":3221.71,"body":"in here today. I'm welcoming you"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3221.71,"endTime":3224.8,"body":"to the next episode next"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3221.71,"endTime":3224.8,"body":"Wednesday. If you enjoyed the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3224.8,"endTime":3228.28,"body":"show, if you like the show,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3224.8,"endTime":3228.28,"body":"please let me know somewhere and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3228.31,"endTime":3231.43,"body":"or share the episodes with your"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3228.31,"endTime":3231.43,"body":"friends with your colleagues."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3231.88,"endTime":3237.1,"body":"And I highly appreciate making"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3231.88,"endTime":3237.1,"body":"this podcast available to anyone"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3237.1,"endTime":3240.19,"body":"who doesn't know about it yet"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3237.1,"endTime":3240.19,"body":"but could actually benefit from"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3240.22,"endTime":3244.63,"body":"from what we're doing in here."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3240.22,"endTime":3244.63,"body":"Thank you for listening. And"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3244.78,"endTime":3247.09,"body":"yeah, stay safe. See you next"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3244.78,"endTime":3247.09,"body":"Wednesday."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3259.2,"endTime":3262.95,"body":"This was the fire science show."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3259.2,"endTime":3262.95,"body":"Thank you for listening and see"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wgrzyski","startTime":3262.95,"endTime":3263.49,"body":"you soon."}]}