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Wegrzynski","startTime":3407.608,"endTime":3409.528,"body":"How do we secure that?"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3409.588,"endTime":3414.738,"body":"Their work is not dangerous"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3409.588,"endTime":3414.738,"body":"to us because it's impossible"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3414.738,"endTime":3416.238,"body":"that we are on every project."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3416.268,"endTime":3418.398,"body":"We are on every installation."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3418.398,"endTime":3421.698,"body":"We are on every"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3418.398,"endTime":3421.698,"body":"single fire problem."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3421.698,"endTime":3424.398,"body":"There is in the world that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3421.698,"endTime":3424.398,"body":"some of them must be solved"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3424.428,"endTime":3426.078,"body":"by non-fire stakeholders."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3426.798,"endTime":3426.888,"body":"And."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3427.433,"endTime":3431.453,"body":"Providing them with knowledge"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3427.433,"endTime":3431.453,"body":"courses, some other ways"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3431.453,"endTime":3434.843,"body":"to expand their knowledge"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3431.453,"endTime":3434.843,"body":"and be more sensitive"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3434.843,"endTime":3435.803,"body":"about the fire problems."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3436.373,"endTime":3439.823,"body":"It's definitely a way"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3436.373,"endTime":3439.823,"body":"to build a safer world."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3440.183,"endTime":3443.753,"body":"So I hope you've enjoyed what"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3440.183,"endTime":3443.753,"body":"I've discussed with Jimmy."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3444.143,"endTime":3447.533,"body":"I think it is very worthwhile"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3444.143,"endTime":3447.533,"body":"to go into the core"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3447.533,"endTime":3450.833,"body":"competencies document, which"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3447.533,"endTime":3450.833,"body":"I'm linking in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3450.863,"endTime":3451.553,"body":"Read it up."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3452.093,"endTime":3452.813,"body":"See what."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3453.268,"endTime":3456.418,"body":"So, whether it has insight,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech 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Wegrzynski","startTime":3470.951,"endTime":3471.851,"body":"connect with Jimmy and."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3472.521,"endTime":3477.028,"body":"I saw his name on the ballot for"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3472.521,"endTime":3477.028,"body":"SFPE presidency,   , this year."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3477.028,"endTime":3481.558,"body":"So if you have the power to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3477.028,"endTime":3481.558,"body":"vote and you've liked what"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3481.558,"endTime":3485.508,"body":"Jimmy had to say, well, he can"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3481.558,"endTime":3485.508,"body":"be your president, so yeah."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3486.254,"endTime":3487.034,"body":"Thanks for being here."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3487.704,"endTime":3491.304,"body":"Once again, thank you"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3487.704,"endTime":3491.304,"body":"for 10,000 downloads of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3491.334,"endTime":3492.834,"body":"the podcast episodes."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3492.834,"endTime":3495.504,"body":"It's still mindblowing for me."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3495.504,"endTime":3499.624,"body":"And, , I really, really"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3495.504,"endTime":3499.624,"body":"appreciate your support and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3499.814,"endTime":3501.084,"body":"just listening to the podcast."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3501.234,"endTime":3504.054,"body":"It makes it worthwhile"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3501.234,"endTime":3504.054,"body":", to do this show."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3504.594,"endTime":3505.134,"body":"Thanks a lot."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3505.494,"endTime":3506.364,"body":"And yeah."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3506.394,"endTime":3507.414,"body":"See you next Wednesday."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3507.864,"endTime":3508.314,"body":"Cheers."}]}