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prosper."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3296.943,"endTime":3300.033,"body":"And for you, Fire"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3296.943,"endTime":3300.033,"body":"Science Show listeners."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3300.453,"endTime":3302.073,"body":"Thanks for being here with me."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3302.103,"endTime":3303.753,"body":"Thanks for listening"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3302.103,"endTime":3303.753,"body":"to this episode."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3304.473,"endTime":3307.293,"body":"If you would like me to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3304.473,"endTime":3307.293,"body":"cover more conferences"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3307.293,"endTime":3309.933,"body":"in future, please let me"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3307.293,"endTime":3309.933,"body":"know where should I go?"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3310.293,"endTime":3313.983,"body":"Maybe I'll get an invitation"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3310.293,"endTime":3313.983,"body":"and be able to give you."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3314.022,"endTime":3317.374,"body":"And overview of what happened,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3314.022,"endTime":3317.374,"body":"like just in this conference."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3317.578,"endTime":3322.048,"body":"And as usual you will find"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3317.578,"endTime":3322.048,"body":"me here next Wednesday, and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3322.048,"endTime":3324.328,"body":"I have another great guest,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3322.048,"endTime":3324.328,"body":"another great episode,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3324.328,"endTime":3325.768,"body":"which you will enjoy a lot."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3326.178,"endTime":3327.198,"body":"Thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3327.258,"endTime":3327.888,"body":"See you around."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3327.948,"endTime":3328.458,"body":"Cheers."}]}