{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":0.05,"endTime":1.099,"body":"Hello and welcome to Fire"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":1.099,"endTime":2.66,"body":"Science Show session 27."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2.72,"endTime":4.13,"body":"Great to have you here again."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":4.46,"endTime":7.07,"body":"Before we jump into the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":4.46,"endTime":7.07,"body":"episode, I wanted to reach out"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":7.07,"endTime":9.44,"body":"to all of you supporting Fire"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":7.07,"endTime":9.44,"body":"Science  Show, and I'm really"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":9.44,"endTime":10.82,"body":"grateful for your support."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":11.48,"endTime":15.263,"body":"And if you would like to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech 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Wegrzynski","startTime":3805.327,"endTime":3806.677,"body":"And I'm really"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3805.327,"endTime":3806.677,"body":"excited about that."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3807.397,"endTime":3810.794,"body":"So I truly believe"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3807.397,"endTime":3810.794,"body":"in this methodology."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3811.244,"endTime":3814.734,"body":"And I think in this episode,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3811.244,"endTime":3814.734,"body":"I really enjoyed that."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3814.734,"endTime":3819.144,"body":"It was quite focused on"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3814.734,"endTime":3819.144,"body":"engineering and practicality."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3819.218,"endTime":3821.558,"body":"I mean, it's obviously important"},{"speaker":"Wojciech 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Wegrzynski","startTime":3834.318,"endTime":3837.765,"body":"Edinburgh and now at Imperial,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3834.318,"endTime":3837.765,"body":"he's continuing that is that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3837.801,"endTime":3841.362,"body":"he recognizes the limitations"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3837.801,"endTime":3841.362,"body":"of engineering and he's trying"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3841.362,"endTime":3845.682,"body":"to produce science that's"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3841.362,"endTime":3845.682,"body":"really useful to us engineers"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3846.282,"endTime":3850.112,"body":"and trying to find ways how to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3846.282,"endTime":3850.112,"body":"model this fires in a way that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3850.112,"endTime":3854.012,"body":"is compatible where the ways 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that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3879.708,"endTime":3883.268,"body":"Guillermo mentioned and, recent"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3879.708,"endTime":3883.268,"body":"developments from Arcelor Mittal"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3883.328,"endTime":3885.898,"body":"and other collaborators in"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3883.328,"endTime":3885.898,"body":"their travelling fire project."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3886.438,"endTime":3889.378,"body":"And I hope some of"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3886.438,"endTime":3889.378,"body":"this will be useful."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3890.113,"endTime":3892.363,"body":"Uh, we know that method"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3890.113,"endTime":3892.363,"body":"is already useful today,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3892.363,"endTime":3893.743,"body":"but it can be better."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3893.743,"endTime":3896.373,"body":"And as Guillermo mentioned,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3893.743,"endTime":3896.373,"body":"it's growing, it's developing"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3896.373,"endTime":3899.193,"body":"and all the knowledge that"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3896.373,"endTime":3899.193,"body":"we gained from all over the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3899.193,"endTime":3902.823,"body":"world can be added to this,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3899.193,"endTime":3902.823,"body":"to create an emerge new,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3902.823,"endTime":3906.093,"body":"better ways of designing and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3902.823,"endTime":3906.093,"body":"creating a bit safer world."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3907.296,"endTime":3910.023,"body":"And, that would be it"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3907.296,"endTime":3910.023,"body":"for today's episode."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3910.263,"endTime":3913.233,"body":"Thank you so much for being"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3910.263,"endTime":3913.233,"body":"here for listening to it."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3913.293,"endTime":3914.673,"body":"I hope you've enjoyed it."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3915.283,"endTime":3918.823,"body":"It's usually next week and"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3915.283,"endTime":3918.823,"body":"other really good episode."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3918.853,"endTime":3921.983,"body":"And I'm super excited about"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3918.853,"endTime":3921.983,"body":"the next week's episode,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3922.013,"endTime":3925.216,"body":"I've talked about AI, for the"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3922.013,"endTime":3925.216,"body":"third time in the podcast."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3925.216,"endTime":3927.826,"body":"And for the third time, it"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3925.216,"endTime":3927.826,"body":"was a fantastic experience."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3927.826,"endTime":3932.086,"body":"And once again, I'm convinced"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3927.826,"endTime":3932.086,"body":"that this is kind of the future"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3932.086,"endTime":3933.716,"body":"of fire science and engineering."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3933.791,"endTime":3936.763,"body":"So, if you would like to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3933.791,"endTime":3936.763,"body":"see the future, , join me"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3936.763,"endTime":3940.773,"body":"next Wednesday and yeah,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":3936.763,"endTime":3940.773,"body":"take care, See you soon!"}]}