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Wegrzynski","startTime":2887.313,"endTime":2890.673,"body":"I'll try to link them."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2890.763,"endTime":2893.283,"body":"He also has some resources"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2890.763,"endTime":2893.283,"body":"which have already received."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2893.823,"endTime":2895.653,"body":"So I'll try to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2893.823,"endTime":2895.653,"body":"share them with you."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2896.013,"endTime":2898.533,"body":"And I hope you found it"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2896.013,"endTime":2898.533,"body":"interesting to learn a bit about"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2898.533,"endTime":2902.373,"body":"watermist and extinguishing"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2898.533,"endTime":2902.373,"body":"a big fires and tunnels for"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2902.373,"endTime":2903.903,"body":"me, it was very worth my time."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2903.903,"endTime":2905.343,"body":"I hope that the same for you."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2905.429,"endTime":2908.219,"body":"So for today, that's it."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2908.849,"endTime":2911.099,"body":"And next week, we're"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2908.849,"endTime":2911.099,"body":"going to have the last"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2911.099,"endTime":2912.249,"body":"episode of this year."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2912.429,"endTime":2915.079,"body":"Because afterwards I will"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2912.429,"endTime":2915.079,"body":"be going for a two week"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2915.109,"endTime":2917.899,"body":"break, a planned Christmas"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2915.109,"endTime":2917.899,"body":"break with the family."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2917.899,"endTime":2919.099,"body":"You need to recharge a bit."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2919.819,"endTime":2924.413,"body":"So yeah, a kind of a Christmas"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2919.819,"endTime":2924.413,"body":"episodes next week, maybe"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2924.683,"endTime":2928.433,"body":"even less fire science'ish,"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2924.683,"endTime":2928.433,"body":"but I hope more fun for you."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2928.463,"endTime":2931.643,"body":"So you don't want to"},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2928.463,"endTime":2931.643,"body":"miss that one and yeah."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2931.673,"endTime":2932.633,"body":"See you next Wednesday."},{"speaker":"Wojciech Wegrzynski","startTime":2933.473,"endTime":2933.803,"body":"Bye."}]}