North GA Blue: Getting into Good Trouble

Saira Draper, Director of Voter Protection for the Democratic Party of GA (DPG)

December 08, 2021 Fannin Co. GA Democratic Party Season 1 Episode 31
North GA Blue: Getting into Good Trouble
Saira Draper, Director of Voter Protection for the Democratic Party of GA (DPG)
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The North GA Blue: Getting into Good Trouble podcast covers democratic politics in North GA, the 9th Congressional District, and across the state of Georgia. The podcast is in Q&A/Interview format with various democratic politicos including county chairs, democratic operatives, politicians, and more. It is our mission to deliver crucial information to our listeners in a timely manner as we fight for community values and principles in the 3rd most Conservative district in the state. Our website is: https://www.fcdpga.com/podcasts

Our guests highlight democratic activities and actions to work toward a Blue Georgia. The 9th Congressional District spans 20 counties across the region and covers a good deal of northern GA including Blue Ridge, Morganton, Fannin, Union, Banks, Athens/Clarke, Dawson, Elbert, Forsyth, Franklin, Gilmer, Habersham, Hall, Hart, Jackson, Lumpkin, Madison, Pickens, Rabun, Stephens, Towns, and White counties. 

Our democratic party podcast also disseminates information and interviews powerful Democrats across the state of GA working to overthrow the suppression tactics of the GOP and ensure democracy and our values, grassroots efforts, and goals remain intact. 

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Meral Clarke:

Hello and welcome back to the North Georgia Blue Podcast produced and distributed by the Fannin County, Georgia Democratic Party. I'm your host Meral Clarke. And we're getting into some good trouble today with our special guest Saira Draper voter protection director with the Democratic Party of Georgia. Welcome to the show, Saira, we're excited to have you on.

Saira Draper:

Thank you so much, Meral. I am just so thrilled to be here.

Meral Clarke:

Wonderful. Well, let's let our listeners know a little bit about you. Saira Draper is an attorney with experience in the private public interest and political sectors. Currently, she is the director of voter protection for the Democratic Party of Georgia or DPG, where she fights to ensure every Georgia voter can cast a ballot that counts prior to joining the DPG, Syra practiced civil rights impact litigation at the Southern Poverty Law Center where she represented detained immigrant children separated from their families. Thank you for that Saira. That's some terrific work there for great organization. She began her legal career at the law firm of Jones Day, a very large law firm, or may I add, where she helped clients navigate governmental and internal investigations, as well as providing defense side representation in commercial litigation disputes. Prior to attending law school, she lived and worked in a rural community in Honduras, while she served in the US Peace Corps. She currently resides in Atlanta with her husband and three children. Wow, you are a busy lady. You've been a busy lady, you still are. Yeah, I like to stay busy. Well, that's terrific. And some wonderful, wonderful work there in your background. So tell us about voter protection, what you do what the program looks like, in Georgia, what voter protection is, and is this a new role within the Democratic Party of Georgia, the DPG? Or has it always been a focus for the party? Currently, voter suppression on the part of Georgia Republicans has increased over the years and with the passage of SB 202 into law. So tell us a little bit about what you do.

Saira Draper:

Well, sure. So I'll start off by saying that the Democratic Party of Georgia was the first state party in the country to make voter protection a full time position. So voter protection at the Democratic Party of Georgia full time started in 2018. So that position has been filled since 2018. I started in 2019. And so now I've been there for just over two years in this position. There's a couple other states now that have held on to their voter protection directors after the 2020 election, but it's still not typical. I mean, for the longest time, voter protection was almost like an afterthought. It was something that was built up in the months or maybe weeks even before a major election. And then after the election was over, it dissolved. And people went back to their you know, their day jobs, whatever they were doing beforehand. So the Democratic Party of Georgia saw this as a really necessary piece of the puzzle. I guess it really speaks to the conditions here in Georgia that they said, Hey, wait a second, this isn't something we need part of the time. But yeah, very proud of them for having that foresight. And you know, the things that we've been able to do now that we're a year round program, it looks a lot different than what it looked like even just a couple years ago, and you look at the 2020 election, and in particular, you look at the attempts of election subversion, and that has necessitated an entirely additional arm to the Voter Protection apparatus, which we just hadn't contemplated before 2020. So it is a constantly evolving field.

Meral Clarke:

Okay, terrific. And it's certainly more important now than ever. So what do you do as director of voter protection? What are some of your goals and responsibilities?

Saira Draper:

So, you know, fundamentally, we want to make sure that all voters can vote that every vote counts, and that the elections are certified. That would be the three fundamental pieces of the voter protection puzzle. You know, we are always looking at ways that we can make voting more convenient and easier. We have lots of different ways that we do that. But I'll start with some of the stuff that we do around election time that people are probably most familiar with. So around election time, you know, we want to make sure that folks can get to the polls, right. There's a lot of emphasis from DPG and other organizations on turnout, but I look at voter protection as kind of that last mile of voting the safety net. You might say the turnout doesn't matter. Somebody may want to vote but if they can't get their vote to count or if they can't make it to the polls, it's all for naught. Right? So we're there to help people with that last mile of voting. Some of the programs that we stand up around election time are a poll watching program. So we have folks at the polls, making sure that those are operating as they should. And if they're not the correct information is being reported quickly. We have a really robust ballot cure operation. Last year, we were reaching out to voters who needed to cure their absentee ballots. And for folks who voted provisionally in person at the polls as well, we have a year round voter protection hotline, the voter production hotline, it's something I'm just so proud of it is fully staffed by volunteers. These volunteers are absolute experts in Georgia Law, which is which is no no small tax, right, because Georgia election law changes all the time, as we said this year and changed substantially. And these volunteers spend their time really as a personal concierge service to anybody that calls regardless of political affiliation. If you have a problem voting in Georgia, and you call our hotline, our volunteers will see to it that they get your issue resolved. So I'm really, really proud of that. But if you step back, you know, we do a lot more than just this election time program, which of course, election time programming is so so important. But when you zoom out a little bit and look at what our long term goals are, our long term goals are to implement pro voter policies. So what do I mean by that? I mean, expansion of voting opportunities. So we look at counties and say, How many early voting locations do you have? How many hours of voting do you offer? Do you have drop boxes? Are drop boxes in early voting locations conveniently located? Are they equitably located? You know, we delve into those kinds of questions. And of course, that's in 159 different counties. So underlying all of this is the fact that Georgia is a very difficult state to organize in, because we have so many elections offices. Folks don't realize that Georgia has the second highest number of counties in the country. It's only after Texas, everyone else has less counties than we do. So we are dealing with 159 different counties 159 different elections offices, and in each one, we're trying to expand voting opportunities.

Meral Clarke:

And how's that going? I have to ask, because let's face it, between the big lie which as we know the big lie is that the 2020 election was stolen. Trump is still president. It's absolute insanity. But how has that heightened the need for voter protection work along with the impact of the Georgia Senate bill, SB 202, which is now law. So tell us about that.

Saira Draper:

So. I mean, look, how has it been going? There was a huge increase in expansion to the vote between presidential in 2016, and 2020. So through advocacy efforts, we were able to add 1000s of additional early voting locations or drop boxes, for instance, we were able to add ways and opportunities for people to deposit their absentee ballot. So we had major successes in 2020. And that was a result of months of work by our liaisons, we have a network of voter protection liaisons throughout the state who are advocating for and pushing for our policies. So we're very, very proud of that. You know, Democrats had a huge turnout when it came to voting by mail last year, right. We saw voting by mail numbers in ways we've never seen and that favored Democrats. It was it was majority of Democrats that voted that way. And so in March, I believe of this here, the legislature said, let's take the methods that Democrats used to vote and make them as difficult as possible. And SB 202 is a very large bill, I think, 98 pages, and it's almost death by 1000 cuts, right? They have taken all the different aspects of voting and made them sometimes slightly harder, sometimes a lot harder. But the culmination of all that is that the lay of the land is now very different than it was. And yes, you're absolutely right. Meral, like some of the successes, many of the successes that we had last year is one step forward, two steps back. And let me just say it's not like it was easy to vote in Georgia in 2020. There was massive organization efforts to get out the vote and to protect the vote. And we were able to organize around voter suppression to a large extent, and what do we get for our efforts, we get more voter suppression. So you're absolutely right, that SB 202, it was based on a lie, The Big Lie, there was no evidence of systemic voter fraud in the 2020 election, quite the opposite. I mean, we were met with just unimaginable circumstances. Last year, everything came to a head and yet for the most part, elections move really smoothly in Georgia. But despite that, they needed a basis for passing this, you know, suppressive bill and they say it's voter fraud. So yes, the big lie is alive and well. We have Republican candidates that are running with that as part of their platform, which is really, really concerning. I think we'll see how the Secretary of State's race ends up going in. I'm very interested to see who's going to win that primary. But we are in a position now that voting is very difficult. It is more difficult than it was before. But again, I don't want to be all doom and gloom here because it was difficult before we figured it out. And I have no doubt that we have the passion, the smarts and the people to work around it again.

Meral Clarke:

In your opinion, in your educated opinion, what's the worst component of SB 202 that disenfranchises the most voters in our state? And what steps can we take to counteract it?

Saira Draper:

I'll give you two examples. Okay, not too, particularly egregious portions of bill, SB 202. So first, it's this out of precinct voter provision, you will probably know that during early vote, you can go to a early vote location in your county and cast a ballot. So some counties offer multiple locations, some counties offer, you know, like Fulton County had over 40, early vote locations last year, you can go to any one of those locations and cast a ballot. Great. It counts. But on election day, you are assigned to a particular location that's called your precinct location. And on election day, you're supposed to go to that specific location, you can't just go to any place in your county. Well, the rule used to be that if you went to the wrong precinct on election day, you would be permitted to vote a provisional ballot. And if there were races on that ballot that you were eligible for, basically, that would have been on your ballot, had you gone to the correct precinct, those would automatically be counted, you didn't have to do money. That used to be the rule. Now under SB 202. If you go to the wrong precinct on election day, and it's before five o'clock, your provisional ballot will not count. So people will say I want to vote a provisional ballot, but that provisional ballot will not count. And if it's after five o'clock on election day, you have to sign an affidavit that basically says, I cannot make it to my own precinct in time. And you have to give the reason why you can't make it to your precinct in time. And then and only then will your provisional ballot count. So you know, that is a really fundamental shift in policy. People are used to the rule where they can vote a provisional ballot if they're out of precinct on election day. And not shockingly, it is overwhelmingly Democrats who vote out of precinct on election day. So this was a policy that that obviously had that top of mind. So I think that is going to affect a lot of voters, especially because with redistricting precincts are going to change. Lots of people are used to going to the same precinct for 20 years, well, it might change this year. But we really have to get people in the habit of Well, honestly, if they can go vote early, that is the best remedy to the situation, just avoid it entirely by going to vote early, but a pretty good number two is to make sure they are checking MVP, which is My Voter Page, the Secretary of State's website posts a page called My Voter Page where you can check your precinct. We really have to get that as part of people's What do I do before I go to the polls, I have my photo ID and I checked my voter page one more time to make sure I know exactly where I'm going.

Meral Clarke:

That's always great advice. So that segues into my next question, what portions of SB 202 are currently in litigation as an attorney? I'm sure you're keeping up with that. And do you have the hope that any of those components will be struck down before next year?

Saira Draper:

You know, it's interesting. You said you're sure I'm keeping up with it. I am keeping up with it. But your own lot of lawsuits challenging SB 202. Right now, including one by the federal government against the State of Georgia. There's no lack of lawsuits. And there's been, you know, many, many provisions in SB 202 that are being challenged right now. But honestly, my position is mostly as an organizer, and I think that lawsuits move very slowly. The courts and particularly the courts that we are in, they don't really favor. These are hard cases to begin with. Let's just start there. These are really hard cases to prove. And I don't think the courts are in our favor. You know, we saw that last year with litigation over the receipt deadline for absentee ballot, there was litigation saying, hey, these should be posted. If an absentee ballot is postmarked on election day, and arrives within three days of being postmarked on election day. It should count and a district court agreed, and then the court of appeals overruled. And then there was a lot of confusion among voters who had heard, hey, the rule change because the court said so and then they didn't necessarily hear that that ruling got reversed. So I like to really be careful about putting any eggs in the litigation basket just because it is so slow moving and quite uncertain. I really prefer to say, Okay, what's what is the condition that we are operating in now? We need to organize around that we need to have a plan for that. And if it so happens that something, you know, some policy changes because of litigation, Great, we'll be in a better position than we thought we would be. But we should not plan on that.

Meral Clarke:

Okay, and that makes complete sense. So in your estimation, do you envision further restrictions to our voting process when the Georgia House and Senate reconvene in 2022?

Saira Draper:

I think that possibility always exists as a practical matter, our counties might have a real problem if there were any fundamental changes just because you know, it takes these are real people and real offices that have to implement these policy changes. They've had a heck of a run right over these last couple of years. So it'd be very difficult for them to make major changes in the months before a major election. But the possibility exists. Sure.

Meral Clarke:

Of course. And do you expect another purge of voters between now and 2022?

Saira Draper:

Yeah, so the purge has happened quite regularly, the big purges happen on the odd years. So we saw that happen this year. But yes, we will be more purges of a smaller level more than likely in 2020 as a result of, well, several different policies, really, but you know, DPG, and our voter protection team has been very good about combing those lists, reaching out to voters who we think are either being erroneously purged or that would want to remain on the rolls. We will certainly continue that effort.

Meral Clarke:

Okay. Next, I wanted to address the Georgia Department of Driver Services and their ability to register voters when obtaining a driver's license, which is fabulous. So based on a 2019 AJC article, the driver's license application required individuals to opt out of being registered to vote by checking a box on the form. Is that still the case? Or has that been changed to someone actually need to check a box to be registered? How does that work?

Saira Draper:

We used to have a system that was opt in. Now our system and for the past few years, it has been an opt out system. So if you have any kind of interaction with the Department of Driver Services, as long as you don't opt out, that should automatically populate a new voter registration, which means if you changing your address or need your name, that information will automatically get to your account is supposed to automatically get to your county election offices. And when we made that switch in Georgia from opt in to opt out registrations went through the roof, it was a huge increase in registration.

Meral Clarke:

And that's wonderful. And is there any way of assuring that folks are actually being registered to vote in Georgia when they get their license because that doesn't always happen up here in Fannin County. So I'm wonder if there are people who are falling through the cracks who think they've been registered and they haven't been.

Saira Draper:

Undoubtedly there are people that are falling through the cracks. I mean, as much as you want to think that these services are fully automated and foolproof. That's just not always the case. And again, when you have 159 different counties, there's often 159 ways of doing things. So you're absolutely right. People can't rest on their laurels. Unfortunately, it's great practice to regularly check MVP. So it's mvp.sos.ga.gov. If you're listening to this podcast, go ahead and type that into your browser. Check your registration status, check your precinct location, there's a lot of other cool items that you can find it in there. But people should get very used to checking that website regularly.

Meral Clarke:

Yes, I would say several times a year just to be on the safe side, it only takes a moment. So thank you for addressing that as well. So drilling down to the county level, what should we be doing during the first and second quarter of next year to ensure that every voter has access to have their voice heard in the 2022 midterm elections?

Saira Draper:

So you know, there's different needs in different counties like what's going on in Gwinnett County may not necessarily be what we need to be doing in Fannin County. I love that we take a county by county approach even though it's definitely more work. But when you win and state by 12,000 votes, you need an approach that is specialized and specific to the areas that you're serving. So I mentioned this earlier, but our voter protection team has liaisons in every county and you know, we give them a framework of things that we think might work. But ultimately, we're here to listen to you all and say, you know, hear from you what you want to see from your county what you think your county needs. And so it is a very collaborative process where we're, you know, finding out more about your county from you, sharing things that we have seen work in other places, and together figuring out what the strategy should be for voter protection in your county

Meral Clarke:

Fantastic. And I'm so happy to hear that the DPG is shoring up their efforts to help rural areas make their voice heard as well. So as you know, up here in Fannin we reside in a very rural portion of the state and it's about 80% Republican to 20% Democrat. There's only so much we can do to ensure that all Democrats are ready to vote. Are there ways that we can assist our more populated counties to help get all of their voters to the polls next year?

Saira Draper:

Yeah, that's a great question within the Voter Protection world, we certainly need folks to be well actually let me take a step back. Be a poll worker. So this isn't with any political party, but one the best things you can do to ensure that democracy runs smoothly, is be a poll worker in your county that not only do you get a firsthand view and experience of how it actually works to administer an election, but you can be a pro voter poll worker, if somebody has a provisional ballot, you give them that provisional ballot. That's step number one, I think that's a really good way to help. But beyond that, yes, there are programs that we run that you do not need to be a your county necessarily to assist, right. So ballot curing, ballot monitoring, poll watching, working on the hotline, one of the cool things about the pandemic was we moved all our in person operations to remote operations. And that way we, you know, we were able to recruit very broadly for our hotline, the overwhelming majority of volunteers on our hotline are in Georgia. But we had a couple people on the West Coast, we had someone as far east as Ethiopia. So it was a very global, it was an American living abroad in Ethiopia. But it was a very global effort, which was very cool. So yes, you can work on the hotline even Fannin County.

Meral Clarke:

Can you elaborate? And that's wonderful. I love having the global perspective. But can you elaborate a bit on what is ballot curing? How does that process work?

Saira Draper:

Yes. So if you vote by mail, you receive your ballot in the mail, you make your selections, you put it in an envelope, and then that envelopes, it requires you to do several things, you have to print your name, you have to sign your name, you have to add your date of birth, and you have to add an identity number, maybe the number on your driver's license, or if you don't have a driver's license, some other identification number. If you don't do one of these things, or if you put the wrong number, your ballot can be rejected. That means your ballot will not be opened, it will not be scanned. For anybody who's absentee ballot has been rejected, you have a period of time during which you can fix it basically make it count. And that is the curing process. What you have to do is once you find out your ballot has been rejected, you have to submit an affidavit where you sign it and say you know you are who you say you are and a copy of your ID. And if you do that follow up, if you take those proactive measures, then your absentee ballot is accepted. And they'll go ahead and open it and scan that ballot.

Meral Clarke:

Okay, that's good to know.

Saira Draper:

Yeah. And it's, you know, it's something that we ran for the first time last year because before last year, there wasn't an option to cure your ballot in Georgia. That was litigation that the DPG filed to force that issue. We're successful there. And they offer now they now offer an opportunity to cure your ballot. What we did last year was have folks call texts and even show up at the doors of people whose ballots had been rejected. And we let them know, hey, there's a process to fix this, let us walk you through it.

Meral Clarke:

That is fantastic. And I was unaware of that. So thank you for addressing it. You also spoke of the importance of poll workers and watchers, especially in the midterms next year. Do you have any suggestions on how county committees like ours can make these responsibilities more attractive to their members so they'd be willing to participate?

Saira Draper:

Again, it's all about this last mile of voting, right? What is the good of all the work you're putting in now and then later to turn out voters, if people can't make their vote count. It's so important to ensure that the processes are working correctly on those last critical days. And if you want a chance to really have a front seat, poll working, and poll watching is that opportunity. I'd be happy to talk to anybody about my experience doing both. It's an incredible way to be part of the democratic process.

Meral Clarke:

Yes, we agree. So how can concerned citizens and perhaps different affiliate groups become more involved in fighting the suppressive GA voter law to ensure that we see a turnout next year as we did last year? What can we do?

Saira Draper:

Look? I mean, I do think that people are angry, right? They saw their power last year. Nobody thought we could do it. And then we did it. Georgia showed the world what we were capable of. And now they're not being transparent or subtle about trying to suppress that.

Meral Clarke:

Yeah, not at all.

Saira Draper:

Not even a little bit. And everyday folks, even folks who aren't super involved in politics, they're taking note, and they don't like it. So I do believe we are going to see incredible turnout in 22, Georgia is going to be the epicenter of all of this. And look, we have a good number of opportunities now. But we will have 1000s of opportunities in 2022. If you are interested in voter protection work in particular, we will have opportunities posted on the Democratic Party of Georgia's webpage. So we will post opportunities there and then we work very closely with the county parties as well. So we will give them links to all of our opportunities and we love volunteers that come from our county parties because again, we have so much deference for folks who are on the ground and who know their counties better than we ever will.

Meral Clarke:

You do envision a large turnout next year, even though voters may be discouraged by all this oppressive and restrictive aspects of the Georgia SB 202 law? How do we talk to them and tell them we know you're tired? We're all tired. We've been working so hard, but we have to remain vigilant. And we have to get to the polls, what would you say to the individual that says, my drop box has been removed, my precinct is 1000 miles away, or what have you, what would you say to them to get them back to the ballot box next year?

Saira Draper:

You know, I haven't given enough credit to our hotline, and I'm going to share that number. It's 888-730-5816. And if somebody doesn't know where to drop boxes, or you know, doesn't have them close to them anymore, we can troubleshoot with you, our volunteers, again, one on one concierge when it comes to elections and voting, and we will work with you to make sure we figure out what is the easiest and most convenient way to get your ballot cast. So that's number one. And I think generally, even though things can be so challenging in Georgia, there's a lot of upside. There are a lot of really good things happening in this movement right now. And I like to focus on the positivity, I like to focus on the fact that so many people were able to cast their ballot because I never want to contribute to any kind of suppressive effect by overly talking about how difficult voting can be. Because yes, I want to acknowledge there is a reality, it has gotten more difficult. But again, we out organize this before, we're going to keep working, there are so many resources and so much more attention, so much more help. So we're just going to keep doing what we know we can do. And again, people are aware of their power, like they'd never were before. 2020 was an absolute turning point. So we're

Meral Clarke:

And I have no doubt that that will be the gonna get there. case, because we certainly have a lot to fight for, and to maintain, which is why it's so essential. So if someone wants to get more involved with the Democratic Party of Georgia, particularly with voter protection, or aspects of voting next year in the midterm, what is your website address? Where would you send them?

Saira Draper:

www.georgiademocrat.org is our website and there's a voter protection specific pages there. There's also lots of great information on voting and other kinds of opportunities. But I'll stress that getting involved with your local county committee is also a wonderful way of getting involved in our voter protection team works directly on voter protection initiatives with each county committee. That's a great way to support your local community and local candidates, because we love our statewide but local candidates are so important too.

Meral Clarke:

Oh, my I mean, in the municipal elections, which just took place in Georgia, we flipped 41 seats from Republican to Democrat, because voters came out and voted in those elections. All politics are local, right? So we have to work our way up. Finally, what are some of the challenges and silver linings that we learned in the DPG learned from the 2020 election?

Saira Draper:

It was like one bad thing after another and all these unanticipated things. And I was so proud of how we just kept with it, okay, you want to challenge us that way, we have a solution for that. You want to throw this over here, we have a solution for that, too. And folks just kept going because they knew how much was at stake. And it was so so important. So I'm blown away by the 1000s and 1000s of volunteers, we had 12,000 volunteers who who volunteered with voter protection alone. That's not even the whole DPG apparatus. That is just with our voter protection program. I am just so humbled by the amount of time and energy that 12,000 and many, many more contributed to our programs.

Meral Clarke:

It's the human equation.

Saira Draper:

I'm getting teary thinking about it, right? I know it really I am getting teary just thinking about it. Because it was just a magical, wonderful moment in time. And again, throw whatever you want at us, you will be sorry.

Meral Clarke:

We will respond and we will win. It's just a matter of time. So finally, really, finally, I mean, I could talk to you all night Saira, you're wonderful. And I'd like to personally thank the DPG for hiring you. You are, you are fantastic. And we are so damn lucky to have you. We really are as a strong Democrat working for and on behalf of Democrats. But finally, tell us a fun fact about yourself. And I asked all my guests this question, something not related to your work, something not related to the DPG something fun and interesting just about you, Saira.

Saira Draper:

Oh my goodness. Okay. This is the hardest question of the night.

Meral Clarke:

That's what everybody says

Saira Draper:

Something about me. Let's see, well, I'm a first generation immigrant. I have three citizenships, actually. So I have Spanish citizenship through my mom. I have English citizenship because that is where I was born. And then I'm a very proud American citizen. So

Meral Clarke:

Oh, my that's wonderful. I am also first generation American. I am the child of immigrants who came to this country back In the 50s landed on Ellis Island, the whole nine yards and immigrants make our country great. So thank you for that, because I can really relate to what you're saying about immigration and it gives you a different perspective, doesn't it?

Saira Draper:

It sure does. It sure does. My parents both left their home countries my father's from Pakistan, my mom's from Spain, they came to build a better life and they're just so proud to be here and an immigrant you know, you're born here. And that's one thing but to choose this and make this your country. It's it's very touching.

Meral Clarke:

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