Brothers with Opinions -B.W.O.
Four friends discussing Winchester, VA news and topics. Debating political issues, news, social injustice and anything that is up for debate in our world.
Brothers with Opinions -B.W.O.
From Winchester’s Casino Debate To NBA Gambling Scandals And A World Series Preview w/ Ray Kosinski
A small city stares at a big decision, and we pull the lens all the way back. We kick off with Winchester’s casino question—real jobs and tax revenue on one side, addiction risk and culture shifts on the other. Ray joins us with a lived-in blueprint for building something from scratch, from Connecticut studios to Brooklyn shows to a Florida pivot. His story threads the needle of this episode: ambition needs structure, and the rules you set decide who benefits.
From there, we tackle the headlines. Poker rings, marked cards, and suspicious plays have the NBA in a vice. We break down what “illegal” actually means—rakes, unlicensed games, and, most importantly, insiders influencing outcomes. It’s the modern paradox: the league courts betting dollars while promising an untouchable product. Our fix list is blunt and practical: independent integrity teams, clearer guardrails, better player education, and fast, transparent resolutions. Fans can handle bad news; they won’t accept fog.
Baseball lets us breathe and argue picks. The Dodgers feel inevitable with Betts, Freeman, and Ohtani, while Toronto brings real bite if they steal early leverage. We dig into series structure, why 2-3-2 matters for city economies, and how an extra game means thousands of local paychecks. Then it’s back to hoops with a sober look at development: Cooper Flagg’s debut jitters at the one and Wembanyama’s leap from curiosity to problem. The league is getting longer and smarter; if you’re under 6'4", you’d better be elite at something.
We wrap with the Tuck Rule: do coffee and energy drinks really fuel you, or is it tolerance in a can? Short answer: caffeine works, dosage and timing matter, and black coffee plus sleep, protein, and water outperforms any neon label.
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SPEAKER_03:Jeez. Oh Lord. So welcome back, everybody. Uh, welcome back to Brothers with Opinions. We're back again, and we're gonna have uh Chris's good friend Ray Kaczynski on right. I said that right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Ray Kaczynski.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, he'll hopefully he'll be on he'll be on here shortly and join us. And what are we talking about, Chris? You want to let everybody know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we're gonna talk about the big thing that's been going on recently, but it's really been in the news and the headlines today, like the news they actually show people. And um, it's basketball players that's in the NBA and coaches in the NBA who have been caught doing so-called illegal poker games at their houses and whatnot, and gambling, and it's a whole bunch of stuff to it, but we'll delve into that in a little while. And it's kind of cool because we were already gonna speak about the word on the street of Winchester possibly getting a casino. So we want to get into the pluses and the negatives of that. We're gonna talk about the World Series that starts this Friday between the Dodgers and the Toronto Foujays. And uh, we are also gonna talk about one other thing, Ray, and that is gonna be using your connections and your resources to help build each other up and and you know benefit the benefits from it, man. And really, so many of us have resources and connections, but we don't always utilize them, and that's our fault. So we're gonna get into all that, ladies and gentlemen. Y'all know what time it is. Get your popcorn ready, it's Tony and Tuck. And uh he's gonna be right in Skyline and Warren County and Clark County.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'm gonna jump jumping in and breathe through these scores real quick, these local scores last week. So Haley the demolished Manassas Park 42 to nothing, they quit at halftime. I think everybody knows that. That that's a topic. We could we could talk about that real quick. But then uh James Wood uh defeated Millbrook. Hold on. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, James Wood put it on him.
SPEAKER_03:Uh 54 to 35, Skyline over Falk here, uh 38-7. Warren County over Manassas Park, 50-nothing, and Liberty over Brentsville, 29 to 20. Uh Stralsburg defeated Larae, 42-6. Clark County finally got a win.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's good for him, too.
SPEAKER_03:Page count 34-8. And so now moving on to uh the Eastern Pan Animal, West Virginia. We don't want to forget about our friends across the state line. Bartonsburg shut out Washington 69 to nothing. Muslims shut out Hedgesville 53 to nothing. Uh Jefferson beat Loudoun County 35-34. And university beat Spring Mills 35-28.
SPEAKER_02:I was wrong on that game. They beat Spring Mills.
SPEAKER_03:Spring Mills doesn't seem as uh they don't have the squad that they had last year. Seems like they're kind of having a down year. I think they're like 500 right now. I think that's the third loss. And uh Hampshire over Berkeley Springs, 46 to 28. And so now on to, and oh, don't want to forget about East Hardy and uh Moorefield. That's a big rivalry. East Hardy beat Moorefield 30 to 18. So on to this week's games. We have LaRay, uh Falk here plays Kettle Run, uh Manassas Park in Liberty, Brintsville faces off with uh Skyline, Meredith plays Warren County, and Hanley and Sharando, the big one. So that's playoff implications right there in seating. Them two facing off. We'll see if Hanley bounces back.
SPEAKER_02:I mean Haley just won.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, they did. They had that that tough one against Kettle Run. Yeah, so more Morris the quarterback the quarterback needs to get his confidence back. So then we got Central plays LaRay, uh Page County plays Madison County, and Clark County plays Strasburg. And uh off to West Virginia, you got Muscleman plays Jefferson, Spring Mills plays Martinsburg, Parkview plays Hedgesville, and Washington plays Hampshire. So to me, the big one's Hanley Sharando this week. Well, of course you're gonna say Hamley. Right. Well, I mean it is the biggest game.
SPEAKER_02:So I'll be there. And they're both six and one, and the coach for Hanley used to coach Sharando, so that's cool.
SPEAKER_03:Yep, yep, you're right. You're right. It's always intense the former coach showing up.
SPEAKER_02:So everyone had Hanley's number overall.
SPEAKER_03:But let me but let me speak on this. We'll talk over and then we'll get uh let Ray jump and we'll get Ray on here. I'm eager to have him on. Uh, you know, this Hanley Manassas Park thing, you know, because everybody's talking like, should they acquit and this and that at halftime? So I was there, right? Manassas Park was heavily outmatched. And then they had two injuries, and I think the two injuries had something to do with it, because they were skilled players, like they're running back, and uh, so they didn't have much depth. So it's probably part of it. But I coached and at the end, you don't quit. To me, I say, put somebody out that like you showed up, yeah. You know, Haley done put in their because the rumor is all Haley had their starters in this. No, Haley put their JV in basically through the middle of the second quarter. So and was still scoring. But I don't know. Me personally, don't quit because to me that just shows your team like you can just quit in life. You know, to me it's life lessons. Just go out there and hey, you showed up, you put on a schedule, played the game. That's how I feel. I don't know how you feel, Chris. Because I've never seen it happen, I've never seen a team quit or for at half.
SPEAKER_02:I've never seen it unless it's like boxing and karate kind of stuff, and that's different because you might get killed or whatever. But in in football, basketball, soccer, volleyball, I've never seen that happen. But I heard about it happening, but obviously, this is way back when Lisa Leslie was in high school. She scored a hundred points in the first half. The team snuck out the locker room, got on the bus and left. Oh, did they? Well, I mean, it's Lisa Leslie, so but that game she had scored 100 points in the first half, and I know it's hard to be like, hell no, that's just happened, but they just dominated that team and and the team left at halftime. But yeah, I've never heard of or seen it in my life. A team quit it. So yeah, that I think it's just a bad, it's a bad leadership style for your kids, man. Like, if you're leading quit, it's easier for you to but I go, I'm gonna quit. I've seen it, it happens. I ain't good enough, whatever's the situation. So I think that was poor poor judgment on the coach's part to do it, unless they didn't have enough players.
SPEAKER_03:Hold on, Chris. We ain't even live, bro. What happened? You didn't hit live. We are. We should be on there. We should be good. This is crazy. What's good with you, Ray?
SPEAKER_02:Over there acting like the homies.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna have to go through this all again.
SPEAKER_02:What's good with you, Tony? Did everybody see us? Tony over here acting like he was born in the 70s.
SPEAKER_03:Kevin's like, yeah, you all are live. Shoot, thank, thank God, Kevin. Thank God. I was like, God. I was like, it said go live. I don't know why it said that. So anyway, all right, everybody. Let's let uh let Ray join in. He's sitting here waiting patiently. Ray, can you hear us? You there, Ray? Hey, what's up, man? What's up?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I can't. What's up, man?
SPEAKER_03:I'm glad to have you on, man. I hope we're good. I don't know. We're live, supposedly. Everybody said we are good. We're live. I don't know. Because it had up here and it said good, it said go live. But I got I got a little nervous. I'm good, I'm good. We're good. So how was your day today? You enjoy work?
SPEAKER_01:It looks like I'm having a little tactical difficulties. Let me let me sign out, sign back in. I'll be right back with y'all.
SPEAKER_03:All right, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah, like a bullet.
SPEAKER_02:Y'all said we was live. Are we still live?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they say we're good. They're laughing at us. We're good.
SPEAKER_02:They're laughing at you. You were born before them. None of us, man. Right. You got a cold out there.
SPEAKER_03:Good? Yeah, I'm getting a little sniffles here. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to take some some cold medicine alcohol cells or something in my throat. Excuse me, yeah. Excuse me, everybody. My throat's itching a little bit. So I'm gonna take salt. It's fucking summertime. It's cold. Yeah, that's that's that change of weather, man. That change of weather gets me almost every time I'm getting older. I gotta take care of myself. I need some orange juice.
SPEAKER_02:No, that ain't all like cold stuff when you don't feel good.
SPEAKER_03:They lie to us. That's right. That's that's that vitamin. Oh, they lied to us. I just need I just need tussing. Tussin fixes everything. I need Robert Tussin. That's it.
SPEAKER_02:No, you're good. You got a wife.
SPEAKER_03:When she gets home, she can take care of you. All right, let's see. Ray, let's see if he's good now.
SPEAKER_01:Gentlemen, what's going on?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, you sound a lot better now. There, there we go.
SPEAKER_01:Hey, listen, man. When you're the engineer, you gotta figure out ways to make it crypto fair. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. I get I get it. You're perfectionists.
SPEAKER_01:Hey that way, there's no other way.
SPEAKER_03:That's that's it. Well, hey, man, welcome to the show. I guess we'll jump right in. Uh, Chris, what what do you want to well? First off, Ray, let's let's give you a shot. Hey, tell everybody a little bit about yourself because you're into music and you know, all that. And if you want to introduce and tell a little bit about yourself.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it's kind of rough, man. If you give me the floor, I might not stop, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, it's it's yours.
SPEAKER_01:But uh, I don't know, what can I say, man? Um, you know, uh, for lack of uh better things to talk about, I'm soon to be 44, thank God. You know, I always say six feet up, not six feet under. Unless, of course, you know, you're a little shorter than that. But uh, but um, yeah, I mean, uh, I grew up in Connecticut, um product of a single uh, you know, father, you know, uh take bringing me in and and teaching me the way and you know being a good family man. So I appreciate that. Um uh after that, uh went out to Pittsburgh uh for high school, you know, got into a lot of things out there, but you know, that's all blessed and stuff.
SPEAKER_03:Right. You live and learn.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. But uh then went out to college in West Virginia of all places. Unfortunately, you know, I got a lot, I well, not unfortunately, but I'll kind of tie that in real quick. I got six direct relatives on my pop's side, all went to Yale, or I was taught in Yale or some some uh division of Yale University, and um I must have got my mom's jeans because I ended up going to her school college.
SPEAKER_02:Um you went there for what?
SPEAKER_01:Baseball.
SPEAKER_02:Um you didn't show up to go there for school.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, well, I went there for school, uh, but um ended up getting my psychology degree and uh you know also an English degree. I actually went because um originally went as a as an English major because I was always writing rhymes and shit like that. Um and uh figured that that would be a good experience to at least get into language. Uh people always ask, what's your favorite book? Most people either say the Bible or or or a book that they love. I mean, I I respect all books, but my favorite book has always been the dictionary. So um it's where I got a lot of the uh vocabulary that I do possess. Um and I'm thankful for that. Um, anyways, yeah, I'm trying to keep it short, but uh you know you're good. Has a lot of twists and turns. But, anyways, graduated school, stayed out of trouble enough. Um, went back to Connecticut for a while with a longtime friend of mine, and uh we started a business park complex, a recording studio. We've been in the audio for a long time, since we were about age 15, 16. Um, always kept that drive and that motivation, that love and passion for you know hip hop and how it was growing since the you know the 90s. You know, I was born in 81, so you know, by by the late 80s, early 90s, you know, we were full effect into that um and appreciated that, you know. So uh we did that. We we we built up a company, um, did a lot of promotional shows and and performances and got on the radio in Connecticut for a good amount of time, even had people like Sheik Luch doing drafts for us uh on the radio in Connecticut, which was dope. But you know, uh just like anything, like in business, and and we'll probably end up getting into some of these conversations regarding business and how to grow a brand and things of that nature, which to be honest with you, I I I know a lot about, but I'm also not the guru, you know. So you know, but just understanding how to run a business and and you know, eventually got to the point where you know you put in in a business, especially something like music, right? You um put a lot of time and effort and obviously passion and love for the what you're doing, but then also you know, monetarily, and it's not just about the money, you know, trust me, especially with music, it can't never just be about the money. Money's important for sure, right? 100%. Uh, but you know, when you get to a point to where it's like, all right, we did this, we did this, but you know, you kind of get to a place where there's only so much you can do, right? Um on your own or without everybody wants to be a star, especially in entertainment and and music and everything like that. So, um, anyways, again, trying to keep it short, um, kind of packed up that shop, went down to uh Brooklyn, New York. I was there from 06 to 16, um, you know, uh while working in social service industry, because I have that psychology background. I'm also, you know, not trying to pat myself on the back with somebody who appreciates you know people and know that at the end of the day, people need help. Um and people need people to follow, or people uh, you know, need leadership, and also sometimes even the leaders need leadership as well. So, anyways, uh what I'm trying to say is went down there, started my own company again, went to school while working up on Ward's Island off of 125th Street uh in Harlem, take a little M35 onto the island to work at some of the roughest shelters, whether it's families or in schools. A lot of people just let out of prison and shit like that, you know, drug addiction, which I mean, you know, uh not speaking for everybody, but I think a lot of us have dealt with those lot of those things as well. Right. Um, you know, and uh, you know, did that and then you know, still once again started my company, Engineer Entertainment LLC. Did a lot of shows, a lot of productions, a lot of post-production videos, and all the different things you could ever uh try to do, but you get boxed into where you know some people aren't pulling their weight and he's having something else in their vision. So got to a point where I was like, you know what, it's time to pack up shop again. And I'm not a runner, I'm always somebody that runs towards the adversity, but uh also you gotta know when to pack it in. So I was like, eh, I gotta go. Uh 10 years in social service work and and also just doing the music thing, I guess you could say on the side, right? And um went down to Florida and uh got into the insurance game. So as you can see right here, it's probably says Central Florida Colonial Life. And that's shout out music thing. In fact, kind of coming back full circle, took a nice little break, and uh, and this is where I'm at now. I went to Fort Lauderdale, bought me a house with the money that I made, you know, and put into a 401k, liquidated that, took a 10, you know, uh 10, 15 hit, invested into a house, um, bought the house, and people say don't talk about money, but I'll just talk about it here because if there's even a young kid that you know might need some inspiration or something, I took a ten fifteen thousand dollar hit, liquidated that, put it into a house, bought it for 250, and just sold it like under a year ago, about about a year ago now, um, for 550.
SPEAKER_03:You know, yeah, there you go. Hey, that's great advice, though. I like it.
SPEAKER_01:So there's a lot of ways to win in life, and it doesn't have to be just your passion. Um, but, anyways, I think you have to have passion for the people that you surround yourself with, which is why I'm here and I'm thankful to be here because my boy, my boy says a lot called, but it's uh go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, you're good. Hey, you're good, you're good, man. Hey, I appreciate it. Hey, I love your passion and energy, man. I'm glad we've hooked up.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's a hey, maybe we can do obviously for you to be somebody to to link up with my boy, you know, which is obviously thinking, since you guys are both from Winchester, right? So obviously you guys have been friends for a long time, and there's a reason why you guys have connected again and probably always stay connected, or even if not, reconnected. But um, my boy Sizzle, uh, you know, got a lot of energy, um, a lot of opinion, which is this is brothers with opinions, right?
SPEAKER_03:We're about to get into that.
SPEAKER_01:So I appreciate that. I'm I'm very very humble and uh welcomed. Uh I I appreciate you guys having me here. And I know I've I've I've bogarded a lot of this. I just I just rename the whole thing.
SPEAKER_03:Oh shit, you're good. You're good.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you very much. I appreciate being here. I just try to build something, and um obviously you've already built something up until this point, and I'm just I'm thankful that you guys are including me. So thank you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, man, no problem. Appreciate you. So, Chris, what we want to jump into first. What topic? Hold on with it.
SPEAKER_02:Right off the rip, we're gonna get right into what Winchester wants to talk about because then we can fill in the rest, which is building a casino, which obviously I don't know if you've ever really gone to casinos. I've been to some used to love it. I know Ray's loved it, but coming to Winchester will tie into the sports betting that we're gonna get into later.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, it'll tie right into last week, Ray.
SPEAKER_02:So Winchester's been changing a lot, but to build a casino there is something you would have never thought about when I was growing up there. So okay. I think it'd be dope, but obviously there's pluses and negatives to it.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, a lot of yeah. So let's discuss that. It's like, should should Winchester bring a casino in is the main question.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, gotta start unpacking that, right, guys. I mean, you gotta start unpacking what are the positives, negatives, and also the nuances that most people that say, Oh, yeah, no, of course we want to play and be able to play blackjack. There's a lot of ins and outs on the back end that you have to consider. So I think that's where you kind of need to start if you're trying to be real about it, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. Yep. So my go ahead, Chris.
SPEAKER_02:Now, I personally would have thought, but this is growing up, Ray. I haven't lived there since 2003. Um, now Winchester wouldn't even be a town that would ever go for it, but that's just showing how much times are changing now, 2025, even though things seem a lot worse for everybody for those kind of changes. I think the community could use it and give them something to do, it opened up a lot of jobs too. So I think those are some of the positives, man. Like it is not a lot to do down there. So to be able to have something like that, you can actually go to and it's legal, that'd be I think that'd be a good thing, and a lot of jobs.
SPEAKER_01:So let me ask actually, since you're saying that, there's sorry, once again, not trying to say too much here, but when you say there's not a lot to do down there, you know, where where where are you coming at mentally from that? Like it like meaning what what demographic are you talking about? Maybe kids that are like maybe 18 to 25, or you're talking about adults that are which again, you know, the we call them kids, right? But 18 to 25, they're already adults, right? But you know, where are you going with that? Like, meaning, you know, all the above. Go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02:There's nothing for the teenagers to do, there's nothing for people that's in their young 20s. The only thing, really, at least from what I can remember, Tony and anybody that's in the comments or watching, they could they could say otherwise, but it's bars, restaurants, and there's no clubs like that in Winchester, but in this mostly in West Virginia or in the city area, there's clubs and stuff, but it's nothing for people to do. So the casino, there's one in Charlestown, which is like 20 minutes from Winchester, that's West Virginia.
SPEAKER_03:And and that was a what I was gonna bring up.
SPEAKER_02:I've been there, I've been there.
SPEAKER_03:You've been and that's what one thing, too. Would it thrive like does Charlestown have like a monopoly right now with the casino they got? You know what I mean? I would say that's a good question.
SPEAKER_02:That big ass casino over there over there by Baltimore and DC, they got them big ass joints. I went to one of them.
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, but Baltimore's more like Baltimore's like two hours, two and a half hours from us. I'm saying, are they too close in proximity, like not knowledge-wise, you know what I mean? When they say one company's got a lockdown on something. So that's always to look into too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but maybe like you're saying though, maybe what it is is that they're seeing the revenue, right? That's being brought in that that area. Like, I know uh, in fact, you know what? I'm sorry. I you know I said because you guys said I'm sorry, was it Charleston, West Virginia? Is that what you said? Charlestown. Charlestown, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Charlestown. Yeah, Charlestown.
SPEAKER_01:Being from Pittsburgh, I think the closest one was Wheeling, West Virginia. That's where we used to go, Wheeling.
SPEAKER_03:Right, okay, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But my point is, is like kind of what you're saying is okay, so maybe it's saturated, right? But maybe that's the whole point, is like, yo, they got some part of my language shit going on, right? Right, we can fucking tap into that shit, right? And bring it up here to where, yo, we're losing out on revenue, revenue, like like like Sizzle saying jobs, you know. Also, you know, when you bring entertainment, everybody knows sports, drugs, entertainment, that's what brings people, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_02:It's gonna bring drugs and everything else, too, though. So there's you know with the bags, it's definitely gonna bring that stuff, that prostitution, all that's gonna come around, right?
SPEAKER_01:And that's the other side of it. And we and let's also not be naive. Those things, those things occur whether there's a casino or not.
SPEAKER_02:That's just right of right, that's a proponent of, yeah, yeah, of the opportunity to do that, breeding ground for it because of all the money that's around, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right. So there's a lot of things to unpack with that. I'm not trying to shut the conversation down, but I'm just saying there's a lot of different ways to look at it. Just as we had a uh uh, you know, uh uh a prelogue of our conversation tonight, and it was like, yo, you also have to understand, like, because I had mentioned to you, Sisla, which you had probably mentioned to me, which I didn't even know about this shit until just recently, but yo, like Jay-Z shit got shut down in 42nd Street to have a casino, but Nas, which I love, you know that almost like, yeah, okay, you got Ethered, boy, but anyway, right? Um, you know, he got approved. Successfully did a bid, whether whether it's business partners or or whatever. And I again I kind of asked you guys, is there is there uh Native American involvement, you know, right? And see that's financial backing from people that are in the industry or entertainment, or is it because now I'm gonna tie it back into what you were talking about. Is it mafia related, or is there you know, is there other gambling aspects to it? So who's gonna benefit, who's gonna lose, who's gonna be affected? Are residents in in Queens or residents in Winchester that are gonna now have to deal with shit that maybe is not beneficial and the and and that the scale is now you know not level, right? These are the things that we're trying to discuss, right?
SPEAKER_03:Right, right.
SPEAKER_02:So I mean I don't know who's trying to open it. I have no clue who's trying to open it.
SPEAKER_03:Don't you yeah, I mean it's this no because from what I've seen, it read only uh you know, like it's being presented to the city, you know what I mean? So they're gonna vote on it.
SPEAKER_02:Somebody had to bring that idea, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But that was I haven't seen there's not much details on, like you say, like is it in the you know who's funding it or who's getting the money, whatever, backing it. So not much information was out on that yet.
SPEAKER_01:Sorry, I'm being a brother with an opinion, but how do you vote on something legit legitimately, and even talking about y'all two? Because I know I know Tony, like you're still in you're still a VA, right? So you are you still in Winchester as well, correct?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'm still in Winchester.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so the voting of like the sizzle being that he's from there, does he have a word? I'll vote with count. Right. So that's what I'm saying. So it comes down to people like you, Tony, and I'm not I'm not putting pressure on you here, but I'm just gonna be knowledgeable on who's involved. Is it is it governmental? Is it private? Is it a combination thereof? Who gets affected? Is it is is yo, are they putting it in a neighborhood that's an affluent neighborhood or a neighborhood that's not you know that that's downtrodden? And and there might be uh also uh how do you say it, like uh uh a benefit of somebody going into a non-affluent, uh downtrodden because guess what? Just because it's downtrodden, so now like Sizzle's saying, it's bringing jobs, or it's bringing action, it's bringing businesses, it you know, so there's a lot of things to unpack with that. There's a lot of things to unpack with that, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I agree. So, yeah, that's the thing. We got to do our research and who's funding it, what it, where's the money going? It's the main thing.
SPEAKER_02:But doesn't Winchester already have a casino?
SPEAKER_03:Who, Winchester?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Zeb knows about it. I ain't gonna say nothing else. That's like some lotion, yo.
SPEAKER_03:The only casinos they got is the ones in like the 7-Elevens, the the slot that you off the podcast.
SPEAKER_01:You can't speak on that.
SPEAKER_02:But nah, yeah, I think it would be dope to bring jobs and then, like you said, revenue. But here's another thing because we're gonna jump into right away what's been in the in the main news today with Chauncey Bill ups and Terry Rogier and all these guys getting kicked out the league from well, indefinite until everybody finds out what's happening.
SPEAKER_03:This is the problems they could bring to Winchester, everyone.
SPEAKER_02:That's different. They're tables and this and that. They're doing it at their houses. And I think the only reason that any of these people get in trouble is because the government's not getting a part of all that money they're they're putting back and forth. This dude, they Billlips and them hustled these people out of seven million dollars.
SPEAKER_01:Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So this is the I'll be honest, man. I heard the news. Like I was working out in my gym that's in my in my uh garage uh this morning and had, of course, ESPN and shit on. I get up on, and I saw that. I'm like, yo, okay. But then now I'm hearing, and I hate to I hate to be that guy because you always want to do, I guess, your own research, which unfortunately, man, everybody that says they do research, they're all doing it online, and whatever you're getting is what you're getting. So you're doing research because if you were doing research, your boots would be on the ground, you know what I'm saying? Right, you'd have to have connections in that field, right? But also, like if you're really doing real research, man, you're not going on the internet. I'm sorry, I'm a little old school that way. Okay, you would have to be involved in what's going on. So, yes, we have opinions, and I respect that, and we should, but also we need to know that what we're talking about is factual, right? So, what and that's why I'm trying to call myself out, is that that okay, it's it's mafia related. Well, shit, come on now. Most fucking racketeering and shit like that is mafia related, whether it's and people say mafia, it could be, you know, uh, you know, uh Hispanic mafia talking about you know South America, it could be anything, it could be Russian, whatever you want to call it, it could be any type of shit. So let's not you know go ahead and categorize people. But what my point is is I'm hearing that it's over a card game. I mean, Cisco, you even know we used to do card games at Marshall's crib, you know what I'm saying? For me, right?
SPEAKER_02:I was doing a bad crib everywhere, but don't really have money, but not that kind of money.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but this is my that yeah, but who cares, dude? So hold on, that like let's also understand that. That too, right? So if you got somebody, my which I make decent money, I'm also not rich, right? But right, if my hundred dollars equates to somebody's ten thousand, right? It is what it is. That's not their fault, it's not my fault either, right? So if they're playing a car game, which is supposed to be the the problem, and this is kind of what I'm trying to get to, it becomes illegal because somebody's profiting off of it. Not the players, they're taking a rake, and that's that's what the mafia or or whatever uh uh criminal organization, that's where it becomes illegal, right? Because they're taking a rake off of staking the game, having the game, and that's the part in it. So the government's not getting no cut. Right, but if you're getting a cut, so my point is, and I'm just putting this out there, I don't know. Again, I'm I'm ignorant to like the actual facts, but Bill ups, let's just use Bill Ups. Because me personally, I've always thought Billps, I don't know the guy, but he looks as like he's and acts has always acted like a stand-up guy, right? Has he not? He's a point guard. Point guards typically are the are the people that control the team and that do it with leadership because they're not you they're a great athlete, but they're usually not like the top scorer, you know what I'm saying? They're not like the big show guy. So someone like Bills, who's getting back into coaching, he's trying to coach these young boys up, trying to take a, and of course, it's some of it's self-serving. He wants to be known as a coach and do well, but he's trying to actually bring up the you bring up the NBA, bring up an organization, right? Yeah, and I'm thinking to myself, I'm saying, yo, you're gonna tell me that Chauncey Bills is on some fucking illegal mafia shit. Sorry, bro. He was at a fucking game, he's been playing a game, no matter how much money he's spending, he got the money. So, yo, I'm playing in a fucking game. Next thing you know, knock, knock, knock. Somebody that was sitting at that motherfucking table for a long time found out that, oh, this is Chauncey Bills. This is an opportunity to make him look bad and make fucking, you know what I'm saying? That's kind of my point is that there's a lot of layers to this shit, fellas. A lot of layers to this shit.
SPEAKER_02:Don't just get that's just Bills, Terry Rogier and these guys are getting in trouble for fucking over and on purpose on games. So if you remember the movie Blue Chips with Shaq and Penny when we were young, and he was like, Nah, Tony, Tony's my guy. Because they shit.
SPEAKER_01:That's what I'm asking. Do you know those specifics? Are those specifics or or no?
SPEAKER_03:Well, what we know, I'll read it. I'll read a little bit. Like what they they got a 23-page indictment. This is from uh Sports Illustrated right now, and they have 31 people I think they've arrested so far involved. But the only names huh? What's that?
SPEAKER_01:Thank God I'm still here.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. So 31 supposedly, and uh, like you say, the big names right now are Chaucey Billups and Terry Rozier. And they're like Chris is a vibe, like I think Chauncey Bill ups is only involved, supposedly, with the poker, you know, using cameras, whatever. But uh Rosier is a little more deep, supposedly, like betting on games, you know, NBA games and that shit. So that's where that's but he's involved with both, like the poker, I think. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But they got arena support a few months ago, but then he got off, so but they try to get in for the same thing big-ass poker game.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I forgot about arenas, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, give me one second. Nature calls, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:Uh go ahead, take a break. But go ahead, Chris. What were you saying?
SPEAKER_02:About uh arenas. But just for for us to know, that's what I've always said, especially the last couple years, man. It makes me feel like when I was young and I learned that Lex Luger and Junk the Yard the Junk uh Yard Dog and Brutus the beefcake, them dudes was all fake. Every wrestler wasn't real. And now it's hard for me to enjoy professional sports the same now, because even if it's my team, the Knicks or the Ridge skins or whoever, even when they win, I still feel like well, it's still just cheated. I don't get as upset as more now because I'm like, well, shit's still cheated. So it doesn't feel as enjoyable to me. So I don't care about missing games and stuff like I used to. I still love the basketball tip, but it's not the same for me, man. And now when you hear stories like this, and then you hear people like Tracy McGrady and Shaq and Dominique Wilkins, legends, talk about how they knew certain games was this and that, and that yeah, that shit takes the enjoyment out of the game for me. Especially if it's those players that actually play because they're the ones that played the game.
SPEAKER_03:Now, the thing is, we all know gambling's big, it's like has sports like NBA, NFL, I mean you got fantasy, all I mean, all this betting going on, and it's like they've invited it in, you know what I mean? It's like it's so big now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, 100% right. So that's the thing, it's like they want gambling, but that's my thing, yeah. But but to your point, and also I think kind of to what everybody thinks, like that that's kind of what they try to do. So there's there's gambling it for the games and all that, but you don't want somebody that's directly gonna have an effect on that game. That's what it's about, not having an effect on that game, and that's where I'm sorry, me personally, when I first heard it, I'm like, damn, that's crazy because I wouldn't think Chauncey Bills would ever like like like like sabotage the game that he loves and that he's represented for so long. I always looked at him as somebody who's stand-up. I'm not I don't fucking know Chauncey Phillips, bro, you know, but you get a vibe from people, even over, you know, even over TV and entertainment, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:I heard that, I'm also thinking, nah, man, there's something else. You know what I mean? If the guy was playing a fucking game with his own money and it's talking about just uh uh you know poker or blackjack or dude, I play blackjack all day, huh?
SPEAKER_03:Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, he can't play blackjack or he can't play poker because he's a NBA coach? Come on, let's be real. Everybody so then why are you guys selling fucking poker tables on Amazon? Like, come on, man. Let's like, let's, let's, let's, let's cut the shit here. And that's where, again, brothers with opinion. So I'm just speaking my opinion, but it's just kind of silly that if he wasn't affecting NBA games, NBA players that he interacts with, because I also I was thinking, well, well, what well, Terry Rogier, okay. Well, I guess maybe he knows Terry Rogier because he's from what he plays in Detroit, right?
SPEAKER_03:Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:So obviously, Bill ups comes from Detroit, at least the organization, right? So does he know him and he's making him bet on games and shit? And that's probably what the problem is, and they're trying to unpack and try to figure out is yo, is Bills telling this motherfucker to throw shit? Yeah, it might not be on his team. So I get all that too. And you know, a lot of people I hate to say it, man, bash on the government, you know what I mean, that way. But think about it, you gotta make sure that you're trying to maintain some some type of regularity around this motherfucker. Because if you don't, then it's fucking wild, wild west all day, bro. And it already is. So if you have nothing to overseas, then what are we doing here, you know?
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_02:But Terry Rogier first got arrested for playing with the Heat. And it's it's the games they're using and showing when he's throwing the ball away on purpose, and like oh, and he stumbles and he played for the Charlotte Hornets.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, so they're you're actually seeing like video evidence where it's like, damn, this shit looks sketchy.
SPEAKER_02:Like a lot of players, Jr., who now plays for the Brooklyn Nets, he they interviewed him and he said, if I can help him, Michael Porter Jr. play for the Brooklyn Nets. Brooklyn! He um he said in an interview recently, he said if I could help my friends all make a come up and get money by me telling them what I'm gonna do, or this and that, and I'm gonna I'm gonna mess up on purpose, or I'm gonna tell them what's happening. He said, I'm gonna do it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but also let's be real though.
SPEAKER_02:That like I hear me to be real. That's the NBA player saying this.
SPEAKER_01:Well, at least at least he's being honest, but also that honesty right there in itself, it does it does fuck up the game, bro. So, especially to even those who are making the bets, like someone like myself who bet on some games tonight. So now I know that this cat is out there just worrying about his homies, which is fine. I love my homies too. I'm always gonna take care of my homies. But now you're doing that inside of the game, that's where it's a fucking problem, dog. That's a problem.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they should keep gambling away from all y'all these fucking draft crits.
SPEAKER_01:Come back to Winchester.
SPEAKER_02:Every one of my friends does it, but me. All my boys do that draft, and they're always like parlay, parlay. Right.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, I get I gamble. Hey, everybody, I don't do luckily. I'm not, I'm not addicted and spin. I I I actually can I control myself. I give myself a limit, like 2020, and that's it.
SPEAKER_02:It looks right with missed pill goals and extra points, and it just happens out the blue, like he makes six in a row, boink, right?
SPEAKER_03:But but a little more details will go back to you know, Charles Billets and these card games. They were saying he was using X-ray machines built into tables to read face-down cards, contact lenses, glasses that uh read pre-marked cards and secret can't and secret cameras and card grades.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but wait, hold on though. But so let me ask. All right, sorry. I I want you to read that and thank you for reading that. But dude, yeah, all right. So is Bills running the games? Is he running the games?
SPEAKER_03:Good question.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I'm guessing they were things, and he doesn't know who is, which obviously he knows who is, but is he involved in actually having having those systems placed under the table and all that shit? Or is he just there playing and that's happening? You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:Even that in itself, that's what they're gonna have to figure out with all these people that's getting arrested and being questioned and being detained and everything. But they've all the NBA guys have all currently been suspended indefinitely, so that's still guilty without being proven innocent or whatever. You know what I mean? Like they're if you're suspended indefinitely, they're they're already kind of saying, Well, you're guilty.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you're supposed to do says you're just gonna let them play and they're gonna figure it out. No, you gotta you gotta at least hey, you know what? You're involved in something, I'm gonna put you on suspension until we figure it out. I understand that, you know what I mean. I understand, right?
SPEAKER_02:Right, yeah, because they're on their poker game. I'm not gonna have my job, ain't even gonna know about it.
SPEAKER_01:That's the problem, bro. No, I I hate to say this, but nobody gives a shit about Tony's job, Chris's job, Ray's job. It's only celebrities like Chauncey Phillips, who got a little name for himself and is involved on a larger scale than we are. So, of course, if there is any involvement, it just opens up the reason for somebody to do something.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. Well, hey, it's interesting, guys, but I'm with you. If you can't play cards in your own house, you know, but like you mentioned before, it's like that somebody bang on that, like, hey, give me a cut. You know, they're a lot of money, but these men, you know, they see it and they come in, and the and I think that's what it ultimately it is. Somebody came in and was just like, hey, you're gonna give me a cut. Well, also you know why, you know why.
SPEAKER_01:Sorry to interrupt you, sir. Go ahead, you're good. But you know why. That's why it's a big deal, right? Because it's a big cash game, regardless. If Charlie Bills is there, Michael Jordan, you know, everybody knows Michael Jordan likes to gamble. I'm not trying to feel about Michael Jordan, but he's just an example of, I'm sure Tiger, who don't like to gamble? That's the whole point. People are small, which we're not that small, but you know, people like us, we like to gamble, right? So you know why this shit's happening? Because the government, and I'm not an anti-government person, never have, never will be, but why is this happening? Because the government is missing out on their cut.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:What this is all about is that they're missing out on their cut. So, okay, the mafia or whatever criminal organization, which you know what? Listen, criminal organizations are an organization just like any other, and and I'm not trying to say our government, because government is important. Without government, you have no, you know, you know, no lines, right? And maybe that's where it needs to be. I don't know. But point being is that's why this is happening, is because the government realizes damn, we done got cut out of our cut, and now we're trying to get ours. That's really what this is.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'm totally with it. Usually that's what it boils down to they're not getting their cut. They're percent.
SPEAKER_02:Uh so it's the same reason why us sell food on the streets and shit without a license. You can't sell your own food, you your own food you make and bake or whatever. You can't do it without a license. That's that's OD, and it's because they they don't get no percentage, right? Right. Right.
SPEAKER_01:But then it pulls us into the whole, you know, uh, which I don't know if you want to go down this route, but you know, the whole immigration shit and all that, you know, because you start talking about, yeah, and I agree with you, like, yo, if I cook some mac and cheese and I want to go on the corner and I sell a piece of mac and cheese for five dollars and people want it, but I have to have a license for this shit, it's dumb. That's just gone, right?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01:But when you also bring it into like the immigration shit, yo, hey, and I know Sizzle, I know we've had conversations about this. You're like, dude, it's a whole world. You should be able to go wherever you want. But like, there's also things in place for a reason, right? Because there are governments, there are taxes, there are these, and I'm not sitting here saying that I think somebody, because I'm dealing with it right now, my tattoo artist, his father is like 80 something years old, right? He got busted back in the day, offloading some drugs off a boat down in Miami, right?
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, the guy did his time, right? Never became a citizen. He's fucking 80 years old. He had a business for the longest, and they're and now he's got an attorney, my artist for his my my uh my my tattoo artist has a has a fucking attorney for his dad. They're trying to deport his ass. The guy's fucking 80 something years old. He was getting social security, right, paying fucking taxes, right? And now he's gotta go because he was caught one time and it has, at least to my knowledge, once again, not there. I don't know everything. But I'm like, this dude's 80 fucking years old. He was security, he had a business, and you're trying to get that dude out? No, dude. Get the fucking 23-year-old who hopped the fence or whatever you want to call it, dude. I'm not even being that guy, but get the guys who are doing real fucked up shit on a consistent basis that didn't do their time. You got him, all right? Get him out. Fine, cool. But don't get an 80-year-old, dude. This guy is probably in fucking close to a wheelchair, death, and now you're gonna send him back to Cuba. He don't even fucking know Cuba at this point.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:Like, like, what are we doing here? He got big taxes, he had a business, didn't get in no trouble since he did his little time. Like, he probably did five years, whatever the fuck, probably got too much time already. It's a fucking drug offense. We all know drug offenses are fucked up. So these are the things that like irk people to start to like, yo, like well, all right, where is there an understanding of actually how to implement real law that should make sense to people? You know what I'm saying? Right, right. And that's the problem, is a lot of these things don't make sense to people, like at Chauncey Phillips. Bro, I'm playing in a fucking game. I'm fucking playing money. I don't know who's taking a rake. Now, like you're saying, if he he's the one that's over here looking at people's cards and shit like that, okay, whatever. But still, that's that game.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01:The problem that the government has is not that he maybe he saw cards, da-da-da. It's that they're not getting their fucking take.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they're not getting there, they'll come back like, oh, well, you did you needed a license to pay, you know, they will like you needed a permit to play these games at your house.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the all the hijacking, but like these are the things like it's like, bro, in your mind, you'd be thinking, like, wait, hold on, man. I'm not that dumb to realize, like, yo, oh, it's just because he Champsy Phillips is the one that had this game and that was looking at fucking people's cards under the table and all this shit with fucking contacts and all that. Get out of here, bro.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. We'll see.
SPEAKER_02:We'll find out, like, he's the one that leaves the team. He might know how to do all that, and he thought about it because he's sharp. We did we'll find out. But in the meantime, let's switch sports.
SPEAKER_03:Ray Rain don't want to believe it. He's like, Man, Chelsea Bills is my boy.
SPEAKER_02:Like, sports where the gambling still happens, but we're gambling, except for y'all gonna pick who y'all got winning the World Series with Toronto first time back since '93. And then the Rodgers, who just won last year, to me have the best baseball player in the world right now, at least in the majors that I can see. And that show how to tani. But what you guys think? Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, Tom.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, hey, I'll admit I don't watch much baseball until it comes to playoff, but we all know about Atani. The guy, he he's an animal. You know, is he the best ever? Possibly. Uh, but uh the Dodgers to me win. You know, just watch it a little bit. They're too dominant, they got too much. You know, they're pitching, hitting. To me, they're too deep. Good luck, Blue Jays, is all I gotta say. Like, I I see a sweep coming. Like, for the so go ahead, Ray. You got something. I see you want to chime in.
SPEAKER_01:So y'all know, I mean, well, since you're the base, you're the baseball guy. I'm a big baseball guy, man. So grew up playing ball. I won a fucking uh New York City Championship, men's league, and shit up there in the Bronx. I was probably one of the only white cats on the team. This shit. Um I love baseball, always will love baseball. I think it's um I hate when people tell me that it's a boring game because they don't realize the the mental and also the physical. The people say, Oh, Bo, you're not really running nowhere.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You have no fucking idea what that shit's like.
SPEAKER_03:Well, well, well, Ray, I'll chat. Hey, I played till I was 13, 14 years old, and I stopped because hey, I I couldn't hit for shit, I'll admit that. Like, but I could I was a hell of a shortstop. I'll say, like, I could play defense, but you're right. Like, I love bait, like playing it. It's it is you that is one game where you've got to be thinking every play. Where am I going with the ball? You know, and I love it. Like, it's a thinking man's game, big time.
SPEAKER_01:A dynamic game, but it's also a very athletic game, and that's where I think people now. I understand you're running up and down the court playing basketball. That there's there's different dynamics in every sport. But people say, What? You think tennis players aren't athletic? Like, come on, let's be real. Right. Same thing with baseball. I mean, you can play badminton for all I care. That shit is is is athletic. You gotta be athletic to do.
SPEAKER_02:The greatest athlete ever played football. I mean, basketball, whatever, whatever sport we're talking about, baseball. He played all of them actually played for that's the but that's the whole point, man.
SPEAKER_01:Is that is that first off, I gotta say that right there. Anyone that tells me that that baseball number one is like you're not athletic, you're just an idiot. Like that you're you really have no idea as to you know uh hand-eye coordination and and then what it takes to actually be a baseball player. Now, there's uh I understand, okay, you play first base and they're running a lot, but just even like the ability to scoop and all these different things, man, it's a lot, man. It's a lot. So I just gotta say that right there. Please understand that fact. Maybe it's not your cup of tea. I'm okay with that. That's fine.
SPEAKER_02:But anyway, back to the kind of like what we've been to Finway, Yankee Stadium, City Field, Old Shea Stadium, Autumn together. Here's one here's one thing I will say because you're a music guy. You remember Tony Touch? Come on. Because I hear Tony's fingers over there going. I'm commenting. We had a comment from Mike Hamrick, and he said, Yes, we're checking.
SPEAKER_01:And uh, it's gonna be long-winded, as you guys know. I'm long-winded.
SPEAKER_03:Go ahead, go ahead, man. The floor is yours.
SPEAKER_01:So you're probably right that the Dodgers are gonna win. They got more talent. They got my homeboy.
SPEAKER_02:You're not gonna sweep them.
SPEAKER_01:He went, he he played at Boston. Betts. I probably damn near cried in my in my pillow when Betts got traded over to the Dodgers, right?
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Um, the re another reason why I love Betts is because Betts is multi-talented. He can play the outfield, he can play second, he can play short, he can play anywhere. He probably can play catcher. That's a real that guy is a 300 bowler. I love bowling too. He this dude's a fucking beast. He's probably a beast at chess, too. You know what I'm saying? But point is, he's a little guy, which is crazy. But yeah, they got all the talent. Max Muncie. They got this guy, Edmund, um, even the other guy that played for the Sox for a while, Kiki Hernandez. They got um uh uh obviously Otani, uh Freddie Freeman. I mean, Freeman's uh uh you know uh MVP. Uh yeah, exactly. Braves. So for the Braves for a while, right? You got you're one of their worst pitchers now. He's one of the best pitchers of all time, which is Clinton Kershaw. They got Yamamoto, they got obviously Otani. I don't even gotta speak on Otani. Yeah, we know he's probably the the the next coming up Dave Ruth, right?
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, he's the top guy. Well, I I can't lie, I'm the type of person personally that I hate Giants, man. I've always hated Giants. I don't mean New York Giants, I mean San Francisco Giants. I just that's why I was a Red Sox fan too. And I was from up there, you're either a Sox fan, Yanks fan, or a total loser and a Mets fan. Can't do that. So being from Connecticut, so I'm a Sox fan. Also, you Strzemski back in the day, uh, back in the 60s and 70s and 80s, um, Kosinski, last name, so makes sense, you know, Polish. Right. But um, my point is, is I think the Dodgers probably will win, but I'm rooting for Toronto.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the owner, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, especially because Vladdy with his with his with his father, his father was a hard-nosed kind of guy and wild swinger, very aggressive swinger. Um, you know, Toronto has fucking mad max, max surgeons, and a fucking nut job.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:You know, you guys two colored eyes talking about contacts.
SPEAKER_03:No, I missed that. No, I didn't see that.
SPEAKER_01:But like scrappy, man. They're scrappy, they're hungry. George Springer, he's from Connecticut, New Britain, I believe. So I'm I'm going for Toronto, man. I'm I'm I'm rooting for them, and I think they got the ability to do it, they're there, so of course they've got yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, yeah, they they got a chance. They always got a chance, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Point is because you're probably right. Got this like this. I just I hope I hope that Toronto makes it a series. Yeah, well, it will be because baseball needs money.
SPEAKER_03:Well, there we yeah, there goes that money thing. Vegas will have a hand in it. Right.
SPEAKER_02:At least one or two extra games. You need that money. I mean, look at the contracts that Otani and some of these guys get. Yeah, you need it. It's not coming just, it's not coming just from a$20 beer and a$12 hot dog.
SPEAKER_01:No, but now now that now that Sizzle says that, you know, those are the worries that I think you have when it comes down, let's go back to kind of the Chonky Phillips shit, is that not just gambling, but as actually Sizzle's kind of alluding to, is the revenue that comes from an extra game or to or make it excuse me, uh get to you know, a game seven. Think about, like he's saying, the hot dogs, the pretzels, the beers, the people that are working there, the people that are taking tickets, the people that are giving out uh concessions, the people that are uh checking tickets to make sure that you're going to the right seats, the the you know, uh uh Uber, right? People taking games like that's big for a city. So I'm kind of understanding what Sisel's saying here is that yo, there's like if it's a suite, if it's four games straight, that might not be a good thing for uh not only just MLB, but just the cities, the the people that are working there. So there's a lot of shit that now you wonder, like, okay, maybe they are like fuck it, man. We'll kind of throw this game because it's beneficial for the whole system, is what I'm kind of saying.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. And that's always the question.
SPEAKER_02:And I don't think this is any part of it, but we never know how many teams play in Canada in baseball.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's only one now, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And they're in the World Series. Yeah, you at the US as a whole, they lose a lot of money if you can't keep a couple games in the US because it's gonna be in Los Angeles to start, obviously. So if you sweep them, that finishes in Toronto. So I know baseball, obviously.
SPEAKER_01:I know baseball a lot, uh obviously, but I I know that there's been some changes. I it used to be like the way the the this it was like two, two, two, and then one. I think it's changed now, though, right?
SPEAKER_02:Is it two three? No. Three, no, what is it? Two, three, two.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's two, three, two now. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, for yeah, I hold on, I'll go look it up real quick. Yeah, and they're always changing it.
SPEAKER_02:That's how that's how this if you sweep them, it's gonna always be one on the on the road for the the it's probably two, like you're saying, it's probably two, three, two.
SPEAKER_01:In fact, I think that's what it is, but I'm not sure. I don't believe it used to be two two one one one, but uh I don't I don't believe that's the case anymore.
SPEAKER_03:So we got let's see.
SPEAKER_01:Go ahead. He's looking it up, but while is imagine if it's if it's if it was two three two that's what it is.
SPEAKER_03:It's two three two.
SPEAKER_01:All right, cool. If it used to be two, two, you know what I'm saying, two, two, one, or two, two, one, one, one, think about the revenue for each city if you were to miss a game. You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:So that that that's all I'm saying. It's like that there's ways of thinking about it that way, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so yeah, they got their setup two three two now, and the NBA does the same thing, and the NBA does the same thing, right? They went to the two three one one, but they did do two three two there for a minute, though, like for a while, then they changed it back. Yeah, two, two, one, yeah, one, one. Yeah, but think about it, man.
SPEAKER_01:That's a huge difference. Got you know, I'm saying for a city, if you know, if it was, you know, the uh the other way around, it potentially like yo, okay, we only got half where we could have got a hell of a lot more. So that's definitely something that you gotta kind of consider in that, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Yep, yep. So guys, are we we're winding down here to the end of the show? But we we can keep we can keep going, but I wanted to shout out like uh Mike Hambrick, he's a uh a big fan. He was on last week. He he's sitting there saying Winchester could use a top golf or a David Busters.
SPEAKER_01:Uh Ray, you ever go to that? What top golf?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I've been to Top Golf um uh uh a couple times, I think, in Fort Lauderdale area, um, twice now. Um in Tampa. Top golf is cool as a golfer, which I'm not like some pro, but I'm I'm I'll tell you guys right now that's on this podcast. Like, I'm not no, I'll never claim to be a pro golfer, but I've shot as low as 77, which to me that's fucking darn good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that is a small town to give people something to do, huh? Would it be good to bring to a smaller community to give people something to do?
SPEAKER_01:I'll tell you right now, so that actually that comes along with they love golf down there, but that's what I'm saying. It's like you're you're kind of you were talking about that, like yo, there's nothing to do in Winchester back to the casino shit, right? Yeah, but if you're a top golf, believe me, that's gonna bring in business. That's gonna, I'm not talking against casinos. I love casinos, but my point is, is if there's lacking of things to do, and that's the only answer, that's not the answer. Because if you were to put like a top golf out there, man, you see a lot of young kids, parents bringing their kids, you know. I personally, as a golfer, I don't like hitting off a mat. I think it's like kind of like the games are kind of bullshit, but do I still love going and it's great? You have a couple cocktails, you got some food, right? Some people, you're playing some games, you're hitting a golf ball. It's not for a golfer, but it is for the masses who appreciate golf and also just want something else to do, like you're saying. Right. So to answer your question, is yeah, Winchester or an area like Winchester would definitely benefit from like a top golf. And is it fun? And is it fun even more, probably for people who aren't like you know, people who really like golf like that? Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's kind of like a bowling, man, on some real estate. Right. It's bowling, and everybody loves bowling. If you don't love bowling, then just get off the planet, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02:We brought the bowling alley up last week, actually. It's the same bowling alley from when Tony and I were in elementary.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, god, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:We have a truck to upgrade or build another one. There's there's no go karts, put put. Golf. There's no like no.
SPEAKER_03:We do have go-karts now. There are go-karts. There's go-karts down the road. Apple Valley, isn't it called towards the case? I mean, it's not in, but it's on the outside of Winchester, like a mile or two out. So, but there's still go-karts around. So, and it it's not the best, but it's something. You know, it's small, but it's something.
SPEAKER_02:Stop treating people small, like because it's a small town. Like, that's how you're gonna be like, Oh, we ain't got nothing. But build a dream. Like the dreams back to baseball. If you build it, they will come. Right.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm gonna bring something up. How about um let's talk about something real quick? And I don't know if you guys are trying to wrap it up, but uh so that last night was uh the great white hoax uh you know uh start to his career, Cooper Plague. Um if y'all saw it, I I saw it. Um I have I to be honest with you, like I'm watching like that New Telecast is no longer um NBA on TNT, it's on ESPN now. So they were all cracking jokes about that. You know how them three guys are.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, uh uh what's his name? Anderson, Kenny Anderson.
SPEAKER_03:They are the best show. Oh, they're they're hilarious. I love it.
SPEAKER_01:So now like they're they're talking talking smack, you know. They're they're uh uh you know, it's not KFC, it's Popeyes, which Popeyes is the best chicken out there. I don't give a fuck what nobody says. It's the best chicken out there.
SPEAKER_02:Um I actually only We was watching Wimby.
SPEAKER_01:Uh huh. Yeah, so no, my question actually. Yeah, so what's your question? But did you guys watch any of that? Because I'll tell you right now, Cooper Flag, which I understand, man. He's a kid, he's a kid, man.
SPEAKER_03:He I mean he's 18.
SPEAKER_01:He's a yeah, he's an adult. He's 18. Sorry, he's short of 19, but I'll tell you this. I can only imagine, you know, and I I I'm somebody that loves adversity and loves, like, you know, I do love a spotlight, as you can see. I like the talk. But but um he was so hesitant, bro, to shoot.
SPEAKER_03:Was he?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, it was so dude, it was really odd. But also, Kenny, Charles, and Shaq, and Ernie, they all were saying, like, they're like, yo, I know that um Kyrie's out, right? But so they got they they had Cooper running point.
SPEAKER_03:Cooper, I do know that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I love it. I love it because okay, so all your different talents, and maybe that's what you need to fill that slot. But nah, they could have had D'Angelo Russell running the point, and Cooper's still playing uh uh swing man, what do you call it? Yeah, that's what it is, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, on the on the on the wing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but right that's that's that's that's what they need. He's a top scorer, he's shy to shoot because he also doesn't want to be like, oh, I'm new on the block and I'm just shooting. So he hard duty shot two shots in the fucking in the in the in the front. Now do you think it would have been nasty? He just missed that shit.
SPEAKER_03:But but I'm with you, like I missed it, but like you know, I coach basketball, so I know so maybe him has he ever that's the thing, it's like has he ever played the one?
SPEAKER_02:I I don't did he play the one in Duke, like I mean in high school he played everything, but Jason, but their coach is, and he's obviously one of the greatest point guards ever. But but what I'm getting at is you gotta put Ray, he won't stick with that.
SPEAKER_01:Say that again, so and then let Tony go.
SPEAKER_02:Jason Kidd said in in preseason he was gonna try out different things while Kyle's because they have a special talent with Cooper and they still have AD of them. He said he's gonna try them at point and stuff. But I'm pretty sure if it doesn't work after a couple games, they're gonna have to switch it because they also came there 40 last.
SPEAKER_03:And look, we've all and we've all played basketball. We know, right? Like uh the point guard is the quarterback. Oh the bad right, and is was he comfortable? You know what I mean? Not saying he's not talented, it was something new to him, but he's more like you said, Ray, an off-ball put like create opportunities for your score, right?
SPEAKER_01:That he's their second and second best scorer. Why is he throwing the ball bringing it up? Because now he's facilitating, which is great. I'm sure you got other people to facilitate to do that, right?
SPEAKER_03:I I I can agree. Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_01:Number one, it's his first time playing in the in the league, right? Look, and at the end of the day, who really gives a shit? It don't matter, he's gonna be fine. There's other games, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:But for his first game, he was at a bad situation because he's expected now to facilitate for the team and not be I'm gonna be the guy, right? Right, and then also on top of yo, I am the guy that everybody's looking to see to like do the damn thing, and he can't be that, and then also just because you're being supposed to be that, you're already nervous, you're 18.
SPEAKER_02:It's just it was a i I felt like it was a recipe for uh on summer league and the preseason, but this is your first real game where you actually have all your starters being your teammates now and not the backups and guys trying to make it to the G League, whatever. And whoever you were playing in the preseason, it wasn't Mr. Wimby. And I'm pretty sure when he looked at them, dude, he's like, What the fuck?
SPEAKER_03:Wimby, we gotta talk about Wimby.
SPEAKER_02:Talk about that, talk about that because Wemby saw the because I I love Wimby. I watched the Knicks of course, and we walked so I had to watch that, and then I didn't teach much. But I love Wimby and I know we had 40 and just jumped all over him.
SPEAKER_03:This this guy, like, I watched the highlights. I you know, I had to get up for work, but and people were texting my brother and everything, like, dude, Wimby, that what is he? Seven four, seven, how tall is he?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he's seven. He's four. But listen to this, Tony. That dude, yo, real shit. I seen him live. Sizzle was supposed to be there, but I seen him live. And uh, and uh, I'll tell you what, man, this guy, he's obviously he's thinner than Kevin Durant, right?
SPEAKER_03:Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But this dude, he was breaking it down like a fucking like he was Chauncey Phillips. Right, right. He was getting fouled, falling back, hitting it. And you know what? You know, like, and I I hate to be like that because LeBron's one of the best to ever play the game, but he was doing it on some where like you're being fouled and not LeBron fouled. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:Like he was getting fouled, he was getting stepped on, getting pushed, and hitting shots that like normally you probably shouldn't be hitting, and he putting it down, dude. I don't even know what he ended up with because I think he had 40.
SPEAKER_03:I think he ended with 40, right, Chris? 40 points.
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, he might as well have. Dude, that guy's balling, and he he is a special talent, man. He's he's at 40.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:He's different, man.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, nobody seemed that tall, that agile, can handle the ball, can handle you know, at that high. How do you stop that? Do you think that but that's Kevin Durant another fucking six inches? Yeah, right, yeah. And the thing that, but that's a good example because to me, last year was what Wimby's rookie year, right? And I can lead the Cooper flag ago or two years, like he didn't have the best season as a rookie, you know. I mean, so a lot of these rookies, too, you know, they're feeling their way and the game, and you know, because everybody was dogging Wimby at first. His but now look at dude, he he to me, Wimby is now now he's figured it out. Watching him land, like, dude, he can dominate anybody, like you can't stop that guy.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So you gotta give these young kids time to figure it out, too.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah, so Kevin Durant and now Wimby and all those people, even look at Car Anthony Towns and Jokic, all these dudes that can play like big guards and shoot threes, is the reason if you ain't six five and taller, you good luck trying to think you're going to the NBA now on. I agree with that. There's not playing point guards. Like, how can you even guard him? You can be the best in your home.
SPEAKER_01:You are definitely you are definitely an anomaly if you could like because I think even it's funny because he looks so small. I believe, I believe Stephen Curry's listed at 6'4. Yeah, he's like 6'2.
SPEAKER_03:He's listed at that, but I don't think he's that tall.
SPEAKER_01:I'm 6'2. I'm like honestly, probably six one and a half. You know how that goes back in high school or college.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:But dog, like like Sis was saying, man, if you ain't, if you ain't like 6'4, 6'5, you really, I mean, you gotta be a dog, man. You gotta be a dog. Hey, I love that because I love seeing dogs play, but it really basketball is one of those games where you gotta fit a certain mold, and if you ain't if you ain't got that, man, you better be a fucking beast, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I just mean I think even if you're a beast, when you're if you're smaller than six three, I don't think you make it. They're gonna have to put them in the G League. Right. I I was about to say it, man. I was about to say they got attacked. I think within five or six years, everybody's six, seven and up just and they can ball. Right.
SPEAKER_03:Well, what was the rock and starting lineup, Chris, the other night? Their height. They're starting five. Yeah. So that's where that's a whole nother conversation.
SPEAKER_04:There, like, bro.
SPEAKER_03:But guys, hey, we'll we'll keep you Ray, we'll keep you on. We'll end this real quick. We got a new segment called the Tuck Rule. Shout out to my our friend JP. He gave this idea. We uh Chris, you your tuck rule. He's gonna come up with uh whatever's on his mind. And Chris, you remember what uh is on your mind? And then we give our opinion on it.
SPEAKER_02:I I want to know how much people really think. This is this is my little tuck rule this week. How much do people really think coffee and energy drinks are uh really give you that shit, or is it just mental? Because people I drink coffee before I drink coffee before bed, I make a whole pot. And people are like, what are you doing? I'm like, because it's time to be tired.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, listen, there's something better than coffee and energy drinks. I ain't just gonna say it though.
SPEAKER_02:No, of course, right. If people, if people think that that's what really gives them energy, what do you guys think? Because I know I don't know about you, Ray, but you you done switched it up, Chris.
SPEAKER_03:That wasn't the question you had. He done switched it up on me, Ray. Huh?
SPEAKER_02:Don't you get nervous now because you drink coffee all day long?
SPEAKER_03:So, what's your question now since you switched it up? You you talking about does coffee give me energy or the shits? Is that what you're talking about? No. What repeat it drinks?
SPEAKER_02:See, you're getting C now, man.
SPEAKER_03:That's it so what so what about them? They don't work for me. I I drink a like well, energy drink. Is it more mental? I believe no, I believe, like, if you don't drink it, like if you drink it all the time, that there's no offense. You do it too much, like you're you become immune to it.
SPEAKER_01:You know that's the thing. It's like an addiction, like anything else, bro. Look at me. Look, I smoke, I smoke cigarettes for years, and honestly, I I hate to say it like this. I love the act of smoking a cigarette, man.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, a lot of people say, Yep, that's a right, it's just the act of it.
SPEAKER_01:But I'll be honest, I know that it's not good for me. My mother, God bless her soul, died lung cancer. She wasn't a heavy smoker, she just smoked at five o'clock every day, listening to her Nancy Wilson on a motherfucking actual vinyl. You know what I mean? But but my point is, is like now I'm smoking this. People be like, yo, but it ain't no better. I'm like, well, dude, I'm doing something. Yeah, I'm trying to do something, you know. So it's it's it's pick your poison, pick your poison, do what you can, be the best version that you can be, and understand that even when you think you're being your best version, there's another step to be your better version.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, love it. Love it.
SPEAKER_02:I think they're each their own, man. I think everybody's quick to judge other people, and they they ain't worried about their fucking selves. Oh, look at that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, that's a very good point.
SPEAKER_02:So does both. Okay, who cares? Your bottled water ain't no better than what I'm drinking because it's sits in plastic all day. Like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. I am over energy. Some of them energy drinks, man. You drink a lot of that that shit. It I think those can get to you. Now, coffee on the I think coffee's to me, coffee's healthy for you. Drink it black.
SPEAKER_01:Coffee's the most original form of caffeine, right? But also when people add, which I'm one of those, I don't, which I've drank it black before. Um, but I I typically don't, I mean, who really likes that taste? You do get immune to it, and you kind of end up like but a lot of people add sugar and milk or whatever else, creamers and shit. I'm not against coffee. I mean, if you if you think about it, it's probably even with sugar and cream and all that shit, it's probably a better version than taking a you know a 60 gram sugar fucking monster to the face, you know what I mean? Right, right. But yeah, listen, man, there's a lot worse things out there that we that we probably could worry about. Uh, you know, people doing all types of different drugs, and you know, I'm not immune to any of those things either, but but you know, if it if coffee is keeping somebody focused and and at their best, then by all means, but eh, coffee's never really been my thing. I had a cup of coffee today. I was at a conference today with this company that I work with. Um, right, it was uh first time in a while, and I don't know if it fucking helped or not, to be honest.
SPEAKER_02:I don't think it helps me, I love the taste of it, but I definitely don't think it's black, but now Tony drinks it straight black, right? Well, that's my yeah, the that that's my whole point that you can do.
SPEAKER_01:I knew you have some black in you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I have, but um anyway, anyway, like you get immune to it. Like like when you first like you bring up cigarettes, when you first smoke a cigarette, right? You get a butt. Like you're like, oh man, I'm lightheaded. But then you just then it's just half whatever. It's like same with caffeine. To me, it does coffee has no effect. Yeah, I love it in the morning. I guess it wakes me up. I I don't know. But you know, if you don't do something that often, and then you drink coffee or an energy jitter, then people get jittery. Like first time I did drink a red bowl, I drank like two big ones. And I was like, oh damn, I was going like this, you know, at first. But yeah, so yeah, right, but things can make you, you know, if you overdo it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:No, well, that's the thing. And I hate when people say this uh in my my life now. Sometimes it gets annoying, but it's like truth is, man, anything that you do, do it in moderation.
SPEAKER_03:It's all about I was gonna say my dad always, because he drank his beer, you know, smoked his, he's like, boy, it's just always do it in moderation, don't abuse things.
SPEAKER_01:Just you know, that's where the problem is, Tony.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. Right. I don't want moderation. But Ray, I guess we'll wrap this up, man. It was great having you on. You know, you can come on anytime, man. We appreciate it. It was good shooting the shit with you, man.
SPEAKER_01:Again, again, I apologize, man. I am a talker. I mean, hey, I know Sizzle, man, so you already know that. But uh but I I am a talker, man, but I am a brother with an opinion, so that I think I'm on the right venue. But I appreciate you guys having me, man. And I uh, you know, uh, you know, kudos to you guys for putting this together and keeping it going. And I I think this is something that you guys could definitely, you know, build a good following from and you know, kind of not not only entertain, but also enlighten and hopefully bring some people together in the community and make uh uh a great opportunity for people to actually have an opinion and maybe not just sit behind a keyboard, actually show their face and say what they say. And you know what? Sometimes at the end of the day, we ain't gotta like what people say, man. But as long as we're speaking the truth and doing it in a safe way, that that that's beneficial not only for them to get it off their chest, but maybe somebody even disagreeing with them is beneficial for even them, you know, receiving that that that disagreeance. So, you know, I appreciate you guys, man. I love you, brothers, man. And um, I'm always I'm always happy to to show face, man.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, man. Hey, I appreciate it. Hey, man, we'll keep in touch, man. We might work on some big things, we'll talk more off air. Thank you for having me, man.
SPEAKER_04:Appreciate you very much, man.
SPEAKER_03:All right, man. Appreciate you, Ray. Have a good night. So, Chris, Vikings are charged. Vikings are is that who's playing tonight? I lost you, Chris. You there? Bring it up. Chris froze up, look, he'd been on too long. So everybody, I want to give shout outs. Maybe Chris will get back on here or he'll unfreeze. But I want to give shout-outs to our top fans on uh Facebook. We got Patrick Burks and uh Mike Hammer are big fans, and everybody keeps subscribing to our YouTube channel. So everybody check that out. You know, you follow us on Facebook, subscribe to our YouTube channel. You there, hey, there you are. Watch what?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'm talking to you. What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_03:You froze up, bro. You're good now, but you froze up for a minute.
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