What does it take to have conversations across deep divides? What's required of us - and what's required of the person we're talking to? What can happen when we have these kinds of curious conversations, and how can change-makers use them?
Mónica Guzmán is the author of the new book I Never Thought Of It That Way - How to have fearlessly curious conversations in dangerously divided times; an adviser to Braver Angels, one of the most exciting depolarisation organisations working in the US; a journalist in Seattle, an immigrant, a Latina, a dual US-Mexican citizen, and a mom to two bilingual kids.
She joined us to talk about her book, her work, what gives her hope, what gives her pause, and lots more besides.