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Inside PLUSnxt: Strategy, AI, and the Human Side of Legal Tech with Bobby Coppola and Bryant Gauthier
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This week on the pod, we welcome Bobby Coppola, Chief Strategy Officer and Bryant Gauthier, Vice President of Legal Technology at PLUSnxt. Bobby shares how his path from big law to legal tech shaped his focus on client service and strategy, while Bryant returns to the show to talk about what drew him to PLUSnxt after his time at Celerity.
We break down what sets PLUSnxt apart in the crowded eDiscovery space, from helping clients separate hype from reality to focusing on innovation that actually makes life easier for corporations and law firms. The conversation turns to artificial intelligence in document review, obviously, where Bobby and Bryant highlight where adoption is real, where skepticism remains, and how GenAI is shifting client expectations. They also weigh in on whether the future lies in best-of-breed solutions or all-in-one platforms, sharing why no one really wants to manage a “franken-stack.” To wrap up, Bobby and Bryant share their takeaways from ILTACON and what trends they see shaping the next phase of legal tech.
Along the way, the group reminisces about the dot-com era, old chat rooms (ASL anyone?), answering machines, fax machines, the Movie Phone guy, and even the “Callin’ Oates” hotline. Definitely check this one out!
At the intersection of law, business, and technology, Bobby Coppola is focused on delivering industry leading legal technology and services to achieve the best outcome for his clients. He leverages his unique skill set based on his big law background and decades long-experience in the eDiscovery space to solve business and legal problems for companies and law firms globally. As Chief Strategy Officer at PLUSnxt, he is focused on the development of the company’s short- and long-term strategy from both an operational and growth perspective. The underpinning of his approach to client relationships is a fanatical focus on client service and a vision of always putting himself in his client’s position when developing a strategic plan for success.
Bryant Gauthier is Vice President of Legal Technology at PLUSnxt, where he advises law firms and corporate counsel on building efficient eDiscovery programs. With more than 20 years of experience, he helps clients leverage technology, processes, and analytics to reduce costs and manage risk across the EDRM. He has led the launch of eDiscovery departments using advanced tools such as CAL, TAR, AI, text-to-audio search, and image recognition to streamline document review and investigations. His background includes leadership roles at Huron Consulting, Skadden Arps, Buckley Sandler, Finnegan Henderson, and Xerox. Bryant supports legal teams in litigation, investigations, and regulatory matters, including SEC, DOJ, and CFPB inquiries, across industries such as banking, energy, healthcare, intellectual property, and technology. His expertise covers data identification, analysis, governance, privacy, and cross-border matters.
PLUSnxt is a legal technology and services provider that helps law firms and corporations manage complex eDiscovery challenges with a focus on practical innovation and client service. They emphasizes building solutions that cut through the noise of legal tech hype, offering tools and expertise that actually improve how legal teams review, analyze, and manage data. PLUSnxt brings a mix of deep technical knowledge and real-world legal experience to its clients. Their approach combines advanced technologies such as AI and analytics with a clear understanding of business and legal priorities, making them a trusted partner for organizations navigating litigation, investigations, and regulatory matters.
Hello and welcome to that tech pod where we discuss all things e-discovery, cybersecurity, data privacy, and tech innovations. I'm Laura Melstein.
SPEAKER_03And I'm Kevin Albert.
SPEAKER_00And each week we bring on heavy hitters in the industry to help us break down these topics. And today, how many guests do we have, Kevin?
SPEAKER_03We have two.
SPEAKER_00Two guests. And I'm very excited for both of these. One of these guests who I will wait to tell you who it is, but one of these guests was actually on our show before. And we rarely bring people back, so we're very excited that he was open to come back and to get into what we're going to talk about. But before we tell you who that person is, I want to tell you about one of our first guests that has never been on the show. Bobby Coppola, who is the chief strategy officer at Plus Next. At the intersection of law, business, and technology, Bobby is focused on delivering industry leading legal technology and services to achieve the best outcome for his clients. He leverages his unique skill set based on his law background and decades-long experience in the e-discovery space to solve business and legal problems for companies and law firms globally. As Chief Strategy Officer at PlusNet, he is focused on the development of the company's short and long-term strategy from both an operational and growth perspective. The underpinning of his approach to the client relationships is a fanatical focus on client service and a vision of always putting himself in his client's position when developing a strategic plan for success. And the second guest, who is, as mentioned, the second time on that tech pod is the da drumroll. Kevin, you want to share this with you?
SPEAKER_03Bryant Gautier. Bryant is the vice president of legal technology at Plus Next, where he advises law firms and corporate counsel on building efficient e-discovery programs. With more than 20 years of experience, he helps clients leverage technology, processes, and analytics to reduce costs and manage risk across the EDRM. He has led the launch of e-discovery departments using such advanced tools as Cal, TAR, AI, and text-to-audio search, and image recognition to streamline document review and investigations. His background includes leadership roles at Huron Consulting, SCAD NARPS, Buckley Sandler, Finnegan Henderson, and Xerox. Bryant supports legal teams in investigations and regulatory matters, including the SEC, DOJ, and CFPB inquiries across industries such as banking, energy, healthcare, intellectual property, and technology. His expertise covers data identification, analysis, governance, privacy, and cross-border matters.
SPEAKER_00Bryant, Bobby, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER_03Thank you very much. Thanks, Laura.
SPEAKER_00It's really good to have you guys. Especially Brian, I mean, I've missed you. Have you have you missed us?
SPEAKER_02Oh, quite a bit. It's been a little bit, but you know, I'm glad to be back. Thank you for the invitation.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm glad you came back and you brought Bobby. This is a big thing. I just I actually am gonna direct my my attention to you, Bobby, because it's our first time having you on, and I'm excited. So let's let's start with you. Can you tell us more about like who's Bobby? What is your role at plus next? What brought you into the world of e-discovery and legal tech? Like, you know, did you wake up one day and you were like, you know what I really want to do? I want to solve document review. I want to get into the e-discovery space. Was that it? Or was there something that kind of guided you in that direction?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, ever since I was in first grade. No, um, I uh, you know, I was a baseball player. So I'm a failed baseball player, so I'm I would say I'm a bit of a contradiction. I was an athlete in college. And then I'm I'm an Italian, so in our family, you're either a cop or a criminal. And the criminals uh we need a lawyer, so I decided to go to law school, you know, and then I practiced for quite a bit as a litigator, but then transitioned into the legal service provider space about 10 years ago. My brain, I think, just generally works better for business as opposed to staying on the right side of the law. So uh then uh eventually uh found my way into this industry uh and have been doing it for a decade plus. It's been a great journey for me.
SPEAKER_03That's awesome. And Brian, obviously, welcome back. Last time we spoke, you were at Celerity. What's changed since then? What brought you to Plus?
SPEAKER_02Thanks, Kevin. No, it's good to be back. I really always love joining you too. I'm the VP of legal technology at Plus Next, and it's really an opportunity to talk to clients about AI and really get into the business solutions of eDiscovery in a different way. We use Relativity One as a primary platform, and it's just a great opportunity to talk to the same people with newer and different technology.
SPEAKER_03So for those unfamiliar with you guys, can you give us the quick story behind Plus Next? What makes your approach different than other players in the space?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I think from from my perspective, I've been with the organization now for a couple of years as chief strategy officer. You know, I think what makes us unique in the space is that we were born in the cloud, right? So we didn't have kind of any of those, you know, old school kind of ways around doing business in the e-discovery space. So, you know, we are very focused on being tech forward and innovative and cutting edge in terms of how we're doing things. That's kind of played nicely as things have progressed in with AI and generative AI. So for us being uh kind of a what I would consider us as kind of a white glove end-to-end e-discovery provider that really focuses on building you know customized unique solutions for our corporate and law firm clients. Brian, I don't know what if if that's how you kind of see us, but you know, let me know how you see us because you know you've you've joined us recently and would love to kind of get your take on that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I think I think that's right, Bobby. It's really putting ourselves in the shoes of our clients before joining Plus Next. I was, you know, in multiple law firms for many years, a SCAD and ARPS, Buckley Sandler, Finnegan Henderson, and even the corporate side, right? Working for a big 10 Fortune 20 company, from a standpoint of like being able to help people and know what they've the kind of the stressors they're under, the pressure, trying to move their tech stack or their services along inside a law firm or inside a corporation. So we are really able to connect with people where they're at, and we have solutions for big companies and small companies and boutique firms and large, large firms. So we're really flexible with what we're offering our different clients as well.
SPEAKER_01Brian and I and other you know folks at Plus, we we deal with really smart people every day, whether it's you know partners and associates at law firms, general counsel at big corporations, they're all really, really smart people, but they're not fanatically focused on e-discovery and and how to you know build a program for their company or for their for their law firm. So that's kind of what we try to do. We try to make our clients look better. And you know, with us being you know fanatically focused on this space, it's an opportunity for us to add value to a lot of really smart people's companies.
SPEAKER_00I like that. Really smart people's companies. So if your company doesn't have intelligence, like get out of the way. Just nothing. Speaking of your clients, I want to know like what are clients asking for? When when you have this whole like you guys do innovation for corporations and law firms, and that's you know, it's a big focus for you. It's what you guys are really hitting home at, it's what you guys are really doing. Well, what does that look like in practical terms right now?
SPEAKER_01For us, our corporate clients are you know have the dual goals of having really good work quality work product while also reducing costs at the same time. So, you know, those are kind of like the lens we're constantly trying to you know create our our solutions to meet those two goals, working backwards from that. Wal firm clients similarly well, you know, are really focused on those two things. And technology, where things have you know progressed in the past, what I would say is 12 to 18 months with generative AI, and you know, how we're layering that into our overall technology stack and our and our downstream solutions has really changed the game. So we've had to like really, I don't want to say on the fly, but very quickly really become experts in that kind of space. And that takes really smart people on our end of things, like Bryant and you know, our our our C-suite and our our review uh leadership and our project managers and our technologists, all kind of like steering in the same direction to come up with these solutions that are you know defensible and can be validated and you know, we feel good about putting in front of our clients.
SPEAKER_02And I'd like to add too that like our clients, you know, law firms and corporations, they're they're both under a lot of pressure always to do more with less, right? And innovating inside a corporation in the legal department or innovating inside a law firm is tough, right? Because how do you get the budget for it? How do you get the staff for it? If you pick the wrong technology, you won't be able to buy new technology for you know quite a bit, a whole different budgeting and lifecycle. So, really, using Bobby's experience, mine, and the rest of our teams, we're really trying to help people fill that void of being able to innovate inside because they don't have all the right components to do it.
SPEAKER_01I think a lot of corporations, right, they're you know big behemoths sometimes, right? And it's hard once they make decisions to go in a different direction, right? So they rely on folks like us to ensure that whatever solution we're putting in front of them is one that we can see through. So it's important that we can see, you know, one, two, three years into the future and and and figure out where we want to position them with technology, with our services, because they're relying on us because once they go down a path, it it's hard for them to kind of you know change streams.
SPEAKER_03For sure. I mean, you mentioned AI. AI has been a buzzword that's kind of been sort of lingering in the discovery now for a little while, but we're actually seeing meaningful adoption, it seems like today, especially in Docker View. Brian, are you seeing clients really leaning into it at this point? Are you are you still seeing clients who are hesitant? What's your take on that?
SPEAKER_02It's the first time in my career where clients are coming to Bobby and myself and the rest of our team and saying, what should we do? What type of AI solutions do you have? And you know, we're kind of out there leading the pack. You know, we we just received a relativity's competency for air for privilege review. Bobby Nassine put a ton of work into that and is a great thing for our entire organization. But we have clients that use it, and our goal is at some point every review is going to have some component of AI helping the review along. Bobby, I know you're closer to this in some ways than I am with the review component of it, but isn't that your your take on it too?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, things have moved incredibly fast with generative AI in in the discovery space, and and you know, so we've put a lot of work in the past 12, 18 months to being kind of at the cutting edge of that. And and Brian and our our leadership uh with Tony Ramsey and Gary Bendel and Jeff Marquetta have have really you know gone full steam ahead with putting the company and putting our vision in a place that will meet kind of what we need to do in a generative from a generative AI standpoint. So, you know, I we feel really good about what we're putting in front of our clients, whether it's a corporate client or a law firm client. But what I think we've also seen is that we need to kind of continue to stay ahead of the game because things are moving so fast. So every time we kind of feel like we've we've accomplished one thing or something, we know that there's, you know, we have to continue to stay ahead of the game on that front. And it's also a lot of it is like sussing through the good and the bad of generative AI or AI generally. I compare it to, and I'm dating myself to you know, a little bit of like the dot-com bubble, you know, the internet was is amazing, right? But you had, you know, during uh kind of the dot-com phase of it, like you had a lot of companies, you know, putting stuff out there that really wasn't real, not real companies, not real technology. So what came out of that was, you know, the internet, which is great, but you also ended up having a lot of failures and a lot of consolidation. I don't think it's gonna be, you know, as severe as that with artificial intelligence, but I do think it's important, you know, that you have experts like us who are doing that work for you, figuring out what's real, what isn't real, who are the you know, kind of the real the what are the real technologies out there so that you know the companies and law firms are well positioned for the future and not kind of hitching their wagon to something that just a lot of marketing are collateral or what they're seeing in in the space without anything behind it.
SPEAKER_00I miss that error so much. Like the whole time you're talking, I was just like, you got mail. Like if I could go back right now and rediscover it as if I never did it, I I would love that. I just want to go back into chat rooms and just be like ASL. What's that?
SPEAKER_01Put like uh a dot com at the end of your company and like your cap would rise by like uh you know a hundred million dollars just by doing that. And it's kind of like that a little bit with AI today, right? Now you look at like you know what's listed on the stock exchange of some of these companies, they the ones with the dot AI, you know, when the market's good, which it has been, you know, get these huge runs during these crazes. So you know, our our job is to, you know, as a company to figure out you know what are the right solutions for our clients in the discovery space, generative AI and AI and AI generally is is a is a big part of that, but it's not always the solution. So like layering it on uh intelligently, strategically for our clients, that's what they that's what they need from us.
SPEAKER_00Is there anything surprising in how AI is actually being used in a day-to-day review?
SPEAKER_02For day-to-day review, I think there's so and Bobby and I talked about this the other day, such a missing piece of like the ability to pivot. If you think about your standard review, people you know draft a review protocol and then start reviewing, and all of a sudden the legal team would be like, oh, we have more issues or different issues, or and it would be basically starting over. Even if you're using Cal or Tar, you're gonna have to go back. The ability to supplement or modify what you're doing with AI, I think really changes that game. It's not gonna create longer deadlines or more hours in a day, but it's going to be able to allow you to pivot with the time you do have. I think that's what's really interesting for me about it. Because I I've worked it with so many teams over the years where it's like, oh, this whole different thing popped up, we got to do this now. It's gonna allow people to adjust better, I believe.
SPEAKER_01I can tell you what creeps me out about it uh in in terms of like when we're putting it on, like and we're using it for review, is it can its ability to understand sentiment, that kind of like freaks me out. Like the the the the senders, you know, their their their tone is of anger or their you can tell, you know, that like freaks me out that like the AI can like understand what the what the sender was like feeling at the time of sending the the email and you know understands that context. That like that is the one thing that I when I see it, like it kind of freaks me out.
SPEAKER_03Do you think the focus on Gen AI is changing what customers expect from any discovery provider?
SPEAKER_02I think so. I I mean from a standpoint uh they know I think the customers I've talked to, a lot of them they know that ask us the questions because they're like, hey, they've identified Bobby and and our team as as experts in this area, and they they come to us for solutions, right? That's where you want to be the solutions provider, not just a technology, yeah, like we we sell the software. So it's really the experience and expertise coming, you know, when the clients come to us. A lot of times they have no clue. They're like, oh, what should we do? We have no idea. We need to do something. And the reason I say that, that something part, we had this luncheon in in DC in the end of July, and one of our clients was there and told this room full of attorneys from different firms like we in our RFPs require you to tell us like how you use AI to have a better product, save money, save time. So there's this downward pressure from the market to get attorneys and legal teams to use AI.
SPEAKER_01I think it's created expectations that require some management on our end. You know, I think when people think of AI or generative AI, they think you click a button and that's it, like the job's done. And that's just not the case, right? So for us, I think it's managing expectations, laying out the roadmap of how to effectively utilize generative AI and e-discovery. So for us, I think, you know, I think it's changed the edge the expectations of our customers, and it's important for us to educate them, provide them clear roadmaps, 100% transparency in terms of what we're doing, and understand kind of you know, going from point A to point B where you want to get, this is what it looks like. So they don't have unrealistic expectations of of the technology or what we're trying to accomplish.
SPEAKER_03Do you think the industry is changing? I know, right? You mentioned Delta Deltacon, which was only a few weeks back. Was there anything that you saw that was really different? Was there anything that was really exciting this year? Or do you feel like it's just a lot of the same players? What's your feeling on kind of where the industry is today?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's a good question. From a standpoint of like, I think they're everyone's trying to fill that AI need for their clients. And there's some new technology that's out there that I think is interesting. You know, I think about how it's being, and the real pressure comes not from the just the clients, but like in every walk of our our culture, people are talking about AI, right? When you're, you know, my mother's in her late 70s and she's asking me about AI and how it's gonna dominate the world, it's everywhere, right? So, but I thought, you know, from a standpoint of what how people are gonna be using it, they'll be using it to help draft documents, help review documents. One area I think that's kind of not hasn't been addressed yet is like document acquisition, data mapping. You know, if you're gonna use these powerful tools to review your documents, you probably should also use it to identify the documents you're gonna collect, right? So there's there's that piece of two. I think there's still a bit of a gap.
SPEAKER_03As a last question, do you think the future of our industry is in best of breed solutions or more in all of all-in-one platforms?
SPEAKER_01You know, from our perspective, you know, we've kind of fanatically focused on having kind of an all-in-one solution, but it that's tailored, right? We're not trying to have a bunch of different platforms that we you know operate on. We have put all of our eggs in the relativity one basket in terms of we're we were born in the cloud, we were born with relativity one. All of our expertise, all of our solutions, all of our workflows, all of our investment has been on providing our clients the best of kind of everything on relativity one. So I think from from my perspective, you know, what's best for clients is that people are really uh or legal service providers like us are really focused on what they do best, right? And not try to do everything for everyone. So from my perspective, you know, we are in our lane, we know what we do really, really well and how we can innovate on relativity one. So for us, that's kind of what we want to do. I don't want to speak for like the rest of the market or what people need because every organization needs different things, but that's what we provide to the to the market. Brian, do you do you kind of feel the same way about where we fit into the ecosystem or where you feel like the market's going? My concern with you know AI is that you know, and all these companies that are kind of being born every day is that you keep bolting new things on and you end up with kind of like a frankenstack of technology where you like keep trying to get the shiny new thing, the shiny new thing, but it doesn't really solve any of your actual, you know, problems or needs. And then you you're kind of just spending money but not really solving anything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think you're right, Bobby. You know, what what drives adoption of of technology and legal is uh is our customer base, right? Two ways, right? Really what they want to use, the platform they want to use, as well as the problems, the issues and use cases that that really concern their cases or their matters or their clients. And I think from a standpoint, uh there's new new companies coming in, which I think is great, but it's really the expertise, it's not the mechanical pencil that writes the book or the novel, it's the the writer. So it's people like Bobby and our team that you know do that work on behalf of our clients that really move the needle. You know, we have a great platform, I think it does a lot for everybody. However, there's other you know, niche cases, right? That people use other things, but legal's really kind of the the they're they're wary of adopting new things too, which we all know. Bobby was just talking about his answering machine, so I mean that it sticks out there.
SPEAKER_01Hey, uh, I think I you know, I think I said this on a panel recently where you know I view these technologies as kind of musical instruments, right? And if if they're in you know novices' hands, it's just noise, but you really need experts to make it really make beautiful music. And I think that's kind of how you know people should view these technologies. You need to really understand who you're you're you're you're utilizing to to to bring out the best in them. People don't use answering machines anymore, is that true?
SPEAKER_00I mean you do, so I don't know. I don't actually I don't even know what my answering machine says. Yeah, like voicemail, like also, yeah, saying answering machine. Like voicemail also sounds a little bit more like less 80s, even though I'm kind of like uh 90s.
SPEAKER_01But I'm a child of you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I mean I get it, but are you still like and I picked up the rotary phone the other day, sent out my fax on the fax machine.
SPEAKER_01I was going through the yellow pages.
SPEAKER_00Ah, what another good one. God, we could do this. We could do this for a while. Did you ever do this thing, or was this just me where you'd pick up the phone and you'd call the weather?
SPEAKER_01Call the weather. I would call the I would call the movies for the movie times.
SPEAKER_00I don't know where Oh that too, but like the weather. There was a phone number you could literally call and it would be the weather or even the time. You would literally call and it would be like at the tone, the time will be four thirty three and twenty seconds. And and same with the weather. Brian, you said yeah to that. You fail me, right?
SPEAKER_02I I remember time, you know, and how how how backwards is it if you're like, what time is it? I don't even know. Like everything now has a clock, right? My my cell phone, my computer, right? I mean, my iWatch, right? Everything's a clock, or and uh it's funny when I worked was in high school, I worked at a movie theater and we didn't have that movie phone thing, but we had these when people would call, we would write, read out this little stanza of like what the mouth, and boy, they were poor poorly written and uh delivered as well, right, to our customers.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we just dropped my daughter off at college, and one of the things that was like on the list of things was a landline phone, and we were like, why would they want a landline phone? And we got in the room and like there wasn't even a jack to plug it into. I was like, there's no like place to actually even put this thing because I thought maybe like they needed it so like you could like call from the front desk to like bring somebody up to your room or anything, but in the end, there was just no it was like totally a pointless thing. Where it's like this is useless. Yeah, why especially it was like yeah, like like if somebody like door dash food or whatever, then like maybe they like you can like buzz them up, you know, type of thing. But in the end, no, there was no mechanism for this whatsoever. So it was just pointless.
SPEAKER_00All right. Well, before I let y'all go, I do want to know like, did have y'all ever done calling outs? Do you even know what I'm talking about? Yeah, calling outs.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no, no. Does anybody know what you're talking about? All right.
SPEAKER_00You know the band Holland Outs? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_03So Maneater, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So uh and I'm gonna tell everybody listening, I've memorized this phone number. There's a phone number. It is 719-26 Oates, like O-A-T-E-S. Call it. It is calling Oates, and you literally call this phone number and then you can choose Holland Oates songs, and they just play the music for you.
SPEAKER_01Oh and this has been going on forever. I thought it was like some tribute band to Holland Oates called Callin' Oats, but that'd be better.
SPEAKER_00It's just kind of like Yeah, but now I mean you if you have your phone, you can play music anywhere. So, like, but to Kevin's phone story, if you only had a landline for some reason and you were like speaker phone, you could listen to Holland Oates all day. How great is that?
SPEAKER_01Let me ask you a question. When you call that line, are you able to choose your song?
SPEAKER_00Oh, you are it says like press one, four, and then it'll say the song name. Press two four, and you choose your. I mean, what a great thing. So even though you can't call the time anymore or the weather, you can still call the notes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that reminds me. That's fine. That reminds me of Seinfeld uh when the movie guy, and he'd be like, for die hard, press one, the movie phone guy, yeah, right. Yes, yes, yeah, he was doing all the times, uh yeah.
SPEAKER_04Fantastic.
SPEAKER_02There was a band, They Might Be Science, and they had a a song line where it was set up on like an answer machine with a cassette, and people would they would record a song like a couple times a week. You would call that and you would hear one of their new songs, right? Maybe it would make it to an album, maybe they won't. But people used to do weird things with answering machines.
SPEAKER_01I have a question. Were any of you guys in a band growing up?
SPEAKER_00Wait, wait, if one of us was, who would you think would be in a band, Kevin or I? Who would make it? Kevin. Yeah, I would think Kevin too.
SPEAKER_01I could see him being like a guitar player.
SPEAKER_00I could see it. I was not. Were you in a band, Kevin?
SPEAKER_03I'm not that anyway musically talented. I can whistle, but that's a folk band or something. No, I can't.
SPEAKER_00Kevin would be in a metal band. He would be in a metal band just screaming a hundred percent. He would be screaming.
SPEAKER_03I can play a really mean kazoo.
SPEAKER_01I was just curious because you know you see this on online all the time with like where these like famous people were like all in bands growing up. And I don't know anybody who was actually in a band, so I was just it was just curious.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I'm gonna start saying that. I'm gonna start telling people and be like, Yeah, I know this guy, Kevin, he was in a band. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_03Let's build me a whole new rep. I'm totally fine with that.
unknownYeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I'm like, You've never heard his songs, it's crazy. Check it out.
SPEAKER_02They're very big in Europe, they're very big, exactly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, maybe next time we talk, we can come up with the name of Kevin's band.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Kevin's band. I think that's a good start's band.
SPEAKER_00Well, Bryant, uh, if you've lost that vote immediately, that is just not as crazy as as the band name should be. So I'm gonna give you if you want to come back for a third time, you're gonna have to come up with a more creative band name for that. All this to say, you guys have been a 10 out of 10, and we truly appreciate you all coming on today. Thank you so much for your time.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. Good meeting you both. Thank you.
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