The New Nomad

A Privacy Expert Shares Your Unknown Data Dangers with Dallas Winston | TNN49

March 28, 2022 Andrew Jernigan and Allen Koski Episode 49
The New Nomad
A Privacy Expert Shares Your Unknown Data Dangers with Dallas Winston | TNN49
Show Notes Transcript

In this day and age, your personal information is at risk. From social media to package deliveries, you could be risking your information and it could be shared maliciously. We all know someone whose personal information has been stolen or read about these crimes happening somewhere. These crimes are easily prevented. Dallas Winston of privacypost.io can definitely help you out to keep your accounts secured.

This episode of The New Nomad talks about cyber security and keeping your personal information safe. Dallas joins our hosts, Andrew Jernigan and Allen Koski in discussing how important it is to know the risks of putting your personal information online. They dropped tips on how to keep your information secured and what tools you can use to ensure that criminals cannot use you for their activities. This valuable information can be of great use to everyone, especially digital nomads. You wouldn’t want to miss this episode for the world.


[04:03] Necessity is the mother of all invention

[7:18] You cannot be too careful of your personal information

[19:37] Take care of your privacy when it comes to your businesses

[22:52] We don't have to give the whole world our name (or our personal info)

[24:52] Social media can be a threat to your privacy

[29:33] Be careful when using your physical credit/debit cards


GUEST BIO:

Dallas Winston is the founder of PrivacyPost.io. He is an independent contractor and has been location independent since 2014. He has been a virtual resident of South Dakota since 2014 but lives physically in an ex-pat in Portugal since 2018. He is a cyber security and data privacy consultant.

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Instagram: @insurednomads

www.insurednomads.com

Allen  

Welcome to The New Nomad podcast, we're gonna have a really interesting topic today. We're gonna talk about security, privacy, protecting your personal information, and having a deeper understanding of, of how people might be able to steal information from you and how you can protect yourself. We have Dallas Winston of privacypost.io, a privacy nerd, so to speak, will really help lead us through this process. And it got me thinking, you know, you and I are in the healthcare space. And also, we're in the public domain. There's so many ways that people try to get your personal information. I know, where we are, we don't want to share people's private information. When we deal with paying insurance claims, you have to do an insert manner. You don't I mean, how many times do we get the credit card privacy breaches. This is a incredibly impactful, important area, that a lot of times I don't think people pay enough attention to.


Andrew  

It is, you know, and I'm sure I know, there, were caught by phishing emails, people get emails, from me, I've had people rate other programmes as me, I've had, you know, all different things. There are a lot of people with my name, exact same name. And it's just privacy security and cybersecurity is top of mind for me. And that's, you know, we've Alan, you know, as, as one of the innovation drivers in our company, the chief innovation officers officer at Insured Nomads, having cybersecurity benefits as part of our membership that everybody gets, you know, you've driven that and pushed it, and it's valued at so much. So, this is going to be fun today, having Dallas in and, you know, having, I'm gonna learn from it. And I know that all of our folks listening are as well. Welcome today, everyone.


Allen  

yeah, and I'll give an additional thing that I think support is, so when I've traveled, I mean, obviously, you look at your personal information, etc. You don't want to be on public Wi Fi. And I've even traveled to a few countries that I didn't bring my computer, I didn't bring my phone, I took a drop phone with me, because I didn't want to have information not only taken by private, but also public entities, governments, etc. out there. So it's a really interesting thing. And maybe with that, let's bring in Dallas. Dallas, I do many of the things that we're talking about today sound familiar to you? And also, we'd love to have you introduce yourself and your background.


Dallas  

Sure. Well, Allen and Andrew, thank you so much for having me on your show. And everything you're talking about is I live, eat and breathe it every day. Our team lives, eats and breathes it every day. So yes, those are near and dear topics to my heart. And they are we do everybody needs to become more and more aware of this as every day there's more breaches, exposures, ransomware and so forth. Okay. So before I start, can I say it, can I give you a joke? Or just this popped in my head? Okay. Why didn't the police catch the hacker?


Allen  

Why did not the police catch the hacker? I don't know.


Dallas  

He ransomware. 


Allen  

Oh god. Sorry. Dallas, I hope you don't quit your day job to become. We appreciate the humour though. That's good. That's good.


Dallas  

Okay, okay. Yeah. One of the team members was delighted to come in the office and share that one with me and I thought it was an endearing but anyways. Yeah, so Dallas is my alias. I have no public exposure on social media. I don't use any LinkedIn, Facebook, nothing. So I keep a pretty small footprint on social media. So that's what I go by Dallas Winston.


Dallas  

And so yeah, my story I think that's really part of this because privacy posts as I've stated before, is a necessity is the mother of all invention. It was a need that I needed. And I couldn't find it so I then developed it for myself and then started sharing it with my friends and families and digital nomad peeps that travel and stuff. So I my journey as a digital nomad, slash expat and more of an expat than a digital nomad began about the banking crisis back in 2008. I was way over leveraged, I bought the idea that everybody else that you can turn your home into an ATM. And I got hit hard on the downside, and I barely got out by the skin of my teeth. And as I was really struggling financially, and having a job that I hated, and then seeing the whole banking industry just get out of that scot free. It really, really made me think about lowering it borrowing money, debt and so forth. And at the same time, then I minimized or eliminated my debt, I've been debt free ever since. And at that same time, then that brought a lot of freedom for my employment, I was not tied to a paycheck because I didn't have all these obligations. And I finally shortly after that, I just went into the office and proverbially, verbally but flip the bird to boss and said I'm done, yeah. And I became an independent contractor since then, and then shortly after that I was traveling so much with my independent independent contract cybersecurity work that I became location independent and changed my residency to South Dakota because I was never in the state that I was living in at the time. And I in another thing to clarify, I don't have I'm not I have no like, I didn't grow up or anything in South Dakota, so I don't have any like affinity to South Dakota. So I don't I don't come into this, promoting South Dakota as my destination for being a digital nomad. Because I am biassed that this is where I grew up. I did not grow up here. So so anyways, seven years ago, little probably over seven years ago became a resident of South Dakota, a virtual resident. I spent one night here got my driver's licence, my tabs from my plates and tabs for my vehicle and I started then filing South Dakota as my state for for state taxes. About four years ago, my location independent adventure brought me to Europe and I home based then out of Portugal, I fell in love with Portugal. So I am a D7 resident of Portugal and I have been now for four years awesome working towards my my my ultimate goal is to have my passport. So I have an EU passport to help me get around around the EU and in my opinion, whether you know whether you find Portugal to be your home in Europe, I think it is for me not for everyone, but it's it's the best gateway to get into the EU for a passport in my opinion. So there you go. 


Dallas  

And then when I moved to Portugal, I went back to my story about the privacy post. I was I've used dozens of mail services, and none of them met my requirements for security, privacy and and comfort and knowledge that they are protecting my information. The biggest issue I've had is it is so easy to social engineer them. Yeah, I can call them say Hey, this is Dallas, box 123. Can you check for a my my IRS check? Oh, yeah, sure. And I don't even know these people. They don't know me. It's not like I have a personal relationship with his whoever answers the phone. Oh, yeah. Yeah, let me go check. Oh, yeah, you got you got to check in there. Okay, Could you could you do you might open it and give me the amount? Oh, yeah, here it is. Yep. Yep, it's this amount and oh, I have a new address for you, could you please mail it to this new address and they would mail it my new address if I if I follow through with this whole thing. So it's very easy to social engineer these places just the other day, I had to go to a chain shipping store that also provides boxes, and I was in line and someone came in and said yeah, this is Sally box 123 and the person was just a regular worker. They didn't it was like Hey Sally, how you doing? How's work today? It was like they didn't have any interaction as if they knew each other knew each other they were crazy busy with with package delivery there the line was out the door and the person she said okay sign here and I'll get your your packages for you. And then she says Oh, can you check my mail and oh, yeah, I'll go check your mail. He brought a stack of mail and packages all she had to do aside didn't verify who she was anything and a bunch of Amazon boxes and everything she walked out the door I'm sure that was who she said she was but it would be very easy these days to just social engineer that and walk away if you were nefarious person or whatever. So that is just another example of the concerns I have when we use these mail services


Allen  

well you know Dallas, you hit a couple things or maybe I'll take this different orders I'm completely with you on prices like on the back of my credit cards. I just write photo only. I don't I don't even write my name on there because I want them to like get a photo but one question I want to back up on is is there a particular reason for our Nomad audience that South Dakota is preferable from a either a tax or a privacy or a legal because that that to me was really interesting of all the choices you made?


Dallas  

Yeah so to preface this I should have said this beginning I always forget to say this I am not this was this is my from my experience in my suggestions I'm not an expert in tax or law so please do your own research talk to your your own professionals. But it primarily for digital nomads, expats and so forth they pick and maybe the you know, the perpetual travelers they don't really use that term anymore but the RV, the schoolies is Yeah. They choose one of three states for their residency in the United States that are really smart and intentionally do this. It's Florida, Texas, or South Dakota, of course, Florida and Texas, that's there's a big bigger draw for that because of the weather. They may in their journeys, so they may hub or base out of one of those two states for a few months in the winter. So that's what they choose. There are other people that are out of the country where that's moot now, they may have a family member in Florida, maybe you know, a mom or dad, or both that are retired and living there, or vacationing there. So they say, Hey, Mom, Dad, can I use your address? No problem, you can do that, whatever. So those three states are the typical states. I chose South Dakota because it worked best for me, I am from the Midwest, I grew up on a small farm and so I'm familiar with the Midwest. But also as far as an international traveller, South Dakota, in my opinion, is the best for taxes to create your tax state in South Dakota is much easier than for example, Florida. Florida to choose that as your tax day, a lot of people do this, they cheat, they fly under the radar, but they they eventually will, could get caught. And especially as things are changing these days evolving where states need their money, and they want their money. But Florida you need they follow for the tax purposes. If you declare Florida as your tax state, again, please, DIY on this. But do your own research, do I know whatever. But Florida is under the 181 day rule, you need to physically be in the state for 181 days to claim that as your state for state taxes. People cheat, they use services that make it look like you're there. I don't I'm not for that. I don't advocate that. And if you have to go those routes, you know, you're probably just eventually looking for trouble. So that's why South Dakota is also an easier state is there they're much easier to claim it as a state for taxes. Okay, does that help clarify? 


Allen  

Yeah, no,


Andrew  

it does. It does. And yeah, I'll Dallas, my mind is spinning on this because I've spent my life the better part of my life, half of it. And I'm 48 years old, living in different countries. Yeah. And, sure, I pass the physical presence test to where I didn't have to pay taxes most of the many of those years. But still, you know, there were other times when I didn't, and I filed and I did double taxation. Of course, that doesn't avoid federal taxes, probably, but no state taxes. I paid them when I am hearing this, that I shouldn't have had an option for not doing that, or at least reducing the tax liability. And I've used virtual mail services for many, many years. And it's been that pain. I actually got some envelopes full of mail today from one with tax in it and that I was thinking, Man, I wish I could have just had them deposit that stuff for me. Yep. Because they had to open it, scan it. I log in, I check and it's like, yep, for that one to me, then I put it back in the mail or I upload it into a system. What are some of the ways that you've seen can be mechanized in a safe and secure manner for some of the things I've just described?


Dallas  

Okay, well, that, you know, we did it. This is just too convenient that you're asking these questions, because this is not like set up to for you to answer he asked these questions, this is all organic, and so forth. So but your your questions are very fitting and perfect. And that is an example that I've not even given because in other guest interviews, we haven't even talked about the check thing, but I really promote and push that to clients. When I call members coming into the pipeline with privacy posts. We do deposit checks. Okay, some of the mailing services will most do not. And there's two ways we deposit checks. If your bank is in Sioux Falls, we will physically drive it to the bank and deposit it. Most banks are here. Sioux Falls is a huge banking hub as part of their history. That's why Sioux Falls is who Sioux Falls is. That's why they become so successful is because of their banking. If not, if it by chance, it's more of a regional bank or something like that, then we would mail them priority first class to every bank that I have not run into a bank that does not have a deposit address for them to be deposited that way if they don't do that, and then of course you would do the, the pictures, scan or whatever if they allow that. That would probably be your first step and then we would drop it off or third, is we would mail it out for you. Okay, does that take care of that?


Andrew  

That does, that's the spot on. And yes, this wasn't rehearsed at all. I'm just seeing, hearing and thinking, okay, there are tens of thousands of people in this predicament. And I see it on Facebook groups, I see it everywhere saying, Who do you recommend for this? And I think I didn't know coming into this, I knew you are an expert in some of these areas. But I didn't know you're actually involved in a company that's solved these issues for people that were doing the D7 in Portugal, that we're living in other countries, or even that wanted to reduce liability within the US. So this is going to be good. I know that everybody is that's listening right now is saying, Okay, let's get some nuts, nuts and bolts, some details on this. I'm gonna pass it back to you, Dallas.


Dallas  

Yeah, exactly. And that is, you know why we don't we don't advertise or promote that we are just a digital mail service. We really are a virtual hub for digital nomads, digital nomad entrepreneurs and expats and so forth. So that's really, that's how we are different than anyone else out there. A lot of the mail services, they they are geared more towards the RV crowd. They maybe are a campground that also decided, hey, you know, we've got a lot of people wanting, you know, residency in South Dakota. So let's go ahead and do virtual mail. There's a lot of places that are like the which I have a I do have an endearment for them. And I use them I do recommend, you know, the mom and pop shipping stores. They go through a third party cloud service to provide you know, virtual mail. And, you know, many of these organizations that are these small shops that do the, you know, that that compete against, they don't compete, but they're an alternative to the big chains now that have taken over that those mailing centers, but they don't have the technology, they don't have the updated technology, they don't understand privacy and so forth. So that's what we provide as an alternative for those services.


Allen  

Dallas, this has been really enlightening. Could you take this to another level too on, you know, I'm a person sitting out there listening this podcast, let's see and I'm in any country around the world. What should I be doing to protect myself based upon your experience? To keep myself from, you know, putting myself at risk? I mean, we've talked about a couple things, but I'm sure that that you have some helpful tips that will make a huge difference other than when I'm hearing his privacy post, I thought I Oh, is a real good mechanism. Yeah, this is more basic stuff that people overlook.


Dallas  

Yeah, so I think right from the beginning, and I've preached this on a couple other guest interviews, many of us in entrepreneurs and as you know, with a with a great resignation involved in so forth with how people are really looking at kind of spreading their wings and big in becoming financially independent or financial failure, focusing on financial freedom of you know, being their own boss. Many times they they begin from the get go, and they do not keep their personal and family privacy risk. They don't keep that in mind. And they create an LLC, they create a trademark, they create a business under their, say, their home address or their parents home address. Once that is registered into the systems, and then you become successful, like, oh, I need to tighten this up, I shouldn't be I'm gonna change it, it doesn't matter that that is memorialized with within the cloud services, the scrapers, the data aggregators, and so forth. Your home address your home email, or your personal email, your phone number, if you let's say you you go to GoDaddy. You know, this is harder to do now, but it's still possible to go to a provider for for a website, and then provide your personal information and accidentally not click the privacy mode or whatever that all is, you know, subject to scraping. And people back when it was $20 a year for GoDaddy, it wasn't by default for them to make your information private people have then decide, oh, I need this to be private. And they click the box. And now they make it private when they renew their their URL, but it doesn't matter. It's already out there. It's already scraped, it's in databases, you can change it now it's already there. So really from the get go, everybody needs when they create their own entity, their own business, they need to create it with the assumption that they're going to be big there it is going to be successful and it's going to be something you can't take shortcuts in the beginning. Okay. 


Dallas  

Secondly, how we we deal with our professionals, we need professionals if we really want to be successful. We can't just go to the internet and download, you know, a PDF on a contract that, you know, from some janky service that creates you know, basically what kind of you really need to have a problem fessional a legal professional helping you on your journey. They're not all transactional, they're not all going to ask for $5,000. retainer, they're not all gonna answer a question and charge $150 for a simple question. There are a lot of entrepreneurial, spirited professionals out there that you can build on your team. And that's who we work with. And that's who we refer. You need professionals and when you have professionals doing your taxes, doing your bookkeeping, doing your accounting, doing your, your legal stuff, most professionals, they don't understand privacy and security outside of or their own esoteric ecosystem of their their office. They don't understand encryption, they don't understand using, you know, not sending everything through Gmail, sending things through Dropbox, sharing documents, putting a password on a PDF, oh my gosh, you know, that those basic things, many professionals don't respect or understand or put the money or the the investment into the features of to provide that. So we have to provide that ourselves. And we have to find the professionals out there that are willing to work with our level of privacy we need when we're taking all these documents and stuff and sending them all over the world. So those are, I guess two of the primary points that I'd really liked. I'm sure there's more. This could be a three hour conversation. 


Allen  

Yeah. No, it's It's amazing. And now you you yourself have created an alias is, you know, to folks out there, I'm sure they're thinking, why would you do that? I understand. Could you share with the audience your thoughts behind people Yeah, having an alias for themselves?


Dallas  

Well, I think that's important too. Because it all depends. If you're branding, your yourself, your your name is part of your what's your marketing, especially if like you're in social media, marketing, whatever that that may be, is different, but we're not in that, that space. So the primary reason I do that is is so that if my family, my associates and so forth, don't become an attack vector to get into our systems or our business model or so forth. And so that's the primary reason that I do that. And also we privacy, data privacy, personal privacy and security. I mean, we live, eat and breathe it. And to so with that, I mean, our brand is privacy, we all have an alias and can choose to use it if we want we do not use our full name and email addresses, you know, our full full full, first and last name and so forth. So really, it just comes down to that. I think there's a misnomer of that. Oh, you have an alias then your your, you know, a creepy creeper or your shady and dark. No, we don't have to give the whole world our name. I mean, that's just ridiculous. Yeah, you know, and I think doing it with our friends and family and our b2b associates. Yes, that's, that's fine. But we don't have to be pronouncing to the world our first and last name.


Allen  

Yep. Yep. And social media also, you know, you hear the stories about people taking somebody's photo, and dropping him into a different spot or, you know, the calling somebody up because they've seen in social media that the grandmother's name, here's, here's grandma's 80th birthday, and they, you know, they call up and they say, well, they need money for bail and stuff. I mean, talk a little bit about protecting your kind of information along that way too. I could see why an alias would be helpful. And yeah, so


Dallas  

Exactly. So one of the primary if you were to do you know, I spent a lot of time dissecting and and studying and reading about hacks and compromises and so forth. And when a target has been identified one of the first words one of the first places they go they go to LinkedIn. Okay, and they look at LinkedIn on what is your expertise? Where have you worked? Oh, look, hey, let's see who this person worked with at these companies. And let's just kind of you know, connect the dots kind of understand their all their information so that then I can I can go to them or I can I can contact them and sound credible because I know a lot about their I used to work with you at this company, blah, blah, blah, my name is Nancy, so forth. And that's how they can they can social engineer. So I think that might answer your question on that. So that is an example why using your real name and that is, is you know that that's not what I recommend. I I really I have no value in LinkedIn. I personally find LinkedIn to be garbage for me to be quite frank. I have tried to use LinkedIn for recruiting and so fourth, team members and and using their their services for their recruiter package and also guy was garbage garbage garbage garbage and I just I find no value in LinkedIn really to be quite frank it's it's it's not for me and I am so I I used to have like over 2000 connections in LinkedIn and I just threw it all the way I said I'm done.


Andrew  

wow that's hearing that is a bit challenging for me because that is one of the heaviest areas where I work and I you know, it's it's, you know where I keep up with people I've seen from the past where I actually don't use Facebook for personal that's a different world different topic and that we didn't touch on that but Facebook is one of those things where it's it's it's just another LinkedIn for me it's it's business promotion, message box, somebody messaged me today saying, you know, I'm going to Saudi Arabia next week, can I get a policy from you guys? I replied saying sure, you know, go here and get it. It's just another understand. But I know we we value privacy so much. We've just partnered with Bitdefender, which is a, a really great cybersecurity firm out of Europe, that with operations in the US and different places so that everyone has malware protection, antivirus and VPN, when they are part of Insured Nomads, because most people don't utilize those basic services in life that they need to be. And it's the thing of, okay, if you're not going to do it, we're going to try to put it in your life. And even then utilization is low, you know, people don't do it, even though we say okay, here it is. You don't have to pay for it. We're, we're giving it to you. So people just they it's it's a thing in I confess myself as well sometimes is that we're aware of the risk, but we don't take the measures to do it. And even with locking our door at night, you know, we're aware that there's risk but sometimes, you know, we decided, you know, I'm going to take that risk and just leave the door unlocked.


Dallas  

Yep. Yep. And if for most people the you know, if you were to go down that analogy, they not only did they leave the door unlocked, but they leave the garage door open with their lights on in their garage, all night long.


Andrew  

Yeah. Yes, yes. I have done that once, once or twice and live in a while. Yeah, I take it for granted how secure we


Dallas  

are. Okay, then let's go one step further, then they leave for vacation for two weeks.


Andrew  

Okay, you got got me there. I haven't done that. Except in that analogy that you're doing? How would you say we're doing that in life?


Dallas  

A couple things. You know, I, our service, we don't use Gmail, we will we will not communicate with people with Gmail with confidential information. People are not using what's called end to end encryption for their personal data. And encrypt end to end encryption means that that document or that information is always encrypted. Once you put it on Google Drive, it is no longer encrypted. It can be viewed by anybody that has access, you know, to that platform, someone could easily or easier compromise, getting into your your Gmail account, and so forth. So reducing your input put using using a password manager for everything, especially when you're a digital nomad, traveling around the world having all your passwords in in your notes, or your contact to some people use their contact manager for their passwords or using the same password for everything. Having password managers crucial using multi factor authentication is huge. It really should be mandatory when you're traveling the world and you're accessing your your online banking and so forth. And you're not using multi factor authentication. And that's another big no no to do. And when you're traveling around the world as a digital nomad or as an expat or as an entrepreneur, you don't want to have you blocked out your accounts, your your credit card locked, because it's been detected for fraud or whatever, when you're somewhere else in the world. You want to minimise that.


Allen  

you know, Dallas to that end is they're all out have heard that it's probably not good to take a debit card versus a credit card, just because of the nature of what you can be cleaned out of. Is that still correct?


Dallas  

No. Okay, so that is not correct. Okay. As long as it's a Visa debit card, and I'm talking again, you do your own research, your personal experience from a week ago. Yeah, I do everything with virtual cards when I can, okay, there's some things that do not accept virtual cards and I was in that situation and also the virtual card I use is it right now it's it's a case by case but I'm at $500 per transaction that they allow for a virtual card. So I was doing an airline ticket that was over $1000. And so I had used my personal debit card. I do not have credit cards by the way, I have no credit cards. Nope, I have no loans. Nothing. Everything I do is cash based. But I had to use my debit card from my bank. And sure enough, a week or so later, I get in fraud alerts. And they locked it down because it was skimmed somewhere. And, yeah, so and that was and we just sat down had the conversation and I asked those specific questions exactly what you what you had asked in its visa, it's covered. It's just like a credit card. Okay, good. It's covered. Yep. Yep. So that's important. That's another thing we preach. And teach is about using virtual cards and how you can use those. There's both stateside Virtual Service Card Services. And there's also different ones for like in Europe, there's Revolute. There, that is a great one to create virtual credit cards in Europe, that we also teach our members and give them tips and hacks on how they can do that to help secure their information.


Allen  

Fantastic. Well, I feel like this question I'm going to ask you, is a little repetitive, because you've been giving us overlooked things, the whole episode here, but they will change a little bit. You know, we'd love to get your feedback. As we've asked all our guests have an overlooked person, place or experience you would suggest our listeners discover, and the floor is yours, sir.


Dallas  

This is going to really be geeky. And it's going to and I didn't you're just like I was I have no idea. I had no plan. No time to prepare for this. So I'll just keep it really geeky and simple. IRS Form 2555 earned income abroad. People can, people if they meet the requirements, they can make what $108,000 off of their their or they can deduct 1008 $108,000 off their income if they do it right. But you got to do it right. So talking to the professionals and strategizing a plan. You can be traveling all over the world and your first $108,000 of income will be federal track could be federal tracks tax free.


Andrew  

Yes, I attest to that. I have filed that form. So I love that a lot of people haven't known about it luckily at a tax advisor at Nomad tax that was able to to give me that advice. Good one, Dallas. It's been fun visiting with you today. And what's is the place where people can learn more I know you mentioned privacypost.io Is that the best place to learn about we talked about?


Dallas  

It is the best and only and really quick on that. And that is a static website. There are no plugins, there's no WordPress, it is hosted on a virtual private server. It has no tracking, no Google Analytics, nothing if you're a privacy geek and you go there and you have those extensions on your browser, you will see nothing on the very bottom of the website. It's a scrollable we try to keep it as simple as possible. And on the bottom of it is our privacy policy. It is very simple. And our Terms of Use it's it's it's human readable. So please go take a look. You click on the pluses to see the contact information you can contact us privacypost.io under unsecure methods, but we also provide proton mail, messenger sorry, a signal messenger, so forth to communicate with us.


Allen  

Dallas, thank you so much. We really appreciate this. Andrew, I learned a lot today. I took copious notes actually. Really, really interesting. I mean, this is this is gonna be a topic that continues to betwixt people. But I think we got some solutions today. Your thoughts, Andrew?


Andrew  

Absolutely. This is this has been very thought provoking. I'd like to read more on some of these aspects. And, you know, we can have a show just about the South Dakota aspects of having a business there having that as your domicile tax state. For those moving to the US those Americans that are wanting to be more frugal, that's an area I could I would love to dive a deep dive into so maybe we can have Dallas back on just to focus on South Dakota one time. 


Allen  

Well, I love that. I'll mention this as someone who did travel to South Dakota and add an enjoyable experience and for those of you who have listened to our podcast when TC Williams was here, that's where we met the Mime Clown, which was quite a South Dakota experience. So I do highly reg No, it's it really is an interesting state and You know, the western part of the state is so different than the eastern part of state but it's a wonderful place and it's under visited. So maybe a little advertisement for the South Dakota Tourist Board. Yes, on things. But thank you for tuning in today. For those of you who are listening, please travel well, we hope we gave you some good and actionable information. Stay safe and stay secure. Thanks again.