Rover Pat on Starting a Nomadic Life with Patrizio Ambrosetti | TNN66

The digital nomad lifestyle could be an exciting possibility if you’ve caught the travel bug and want to break free from the shackles of your 9-5 life. Whether you chose to work for a company or yourself, becoming a digital nomad doesn’t mean pigeonholing yourself in a specific role. Your job just has to be fully digital. While remote work is becoming commonplace, which is exciting and beneficial for the workforce, that doesn’t mean anyone and everyone should be a digital nomad. It’s still a tough challenge.

Patrizio Ambrosetti, a serial digital nomad and an avid surfer, joins Andrew Jernigan and Allen Koski in another fun-filled episode of The New Nomad podcast. Our three nomads discussed the digital nomad life and its perks. They also talked about the evolution of the laptop-wielding lifestyle and why it has come to stay. The chance to travel the world while working from exotic places is a dream life for many. So tune in and get as many tips as you can in this week’s episode so you can weigh if this lifestyle is for you.

[5:26] Work hard, play harder

[9:54] Witnessing the progress of the digital nomad visa

[15:17] Nomads helping other nomads

[20:38] Digital nomad visa: what's in it for us?

[25:05] Dissolving the boundaries of the world

[27:48] The world is not that big, so go travel

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Patrizio Ambrosetti is Italian and educated in NYC. He is a former competitive alpine skier and entrepreneur in the music event industry. He successfully launched Uber in Italy and expanded WeWork across the globe. Ambassador of Charity: Water. Currently, he is the Global Head of Launch and Partnerships for Selina. Selina is a Lifestyle, Travel, and Hospitality Platform and is growing quickly in Central America, South America, North America, and Europe.

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Transcript

Allen  

Welcome again to another podcast of The New Nomad once again where we talk about the nomadic lifestyle. We have Pat Ambrosetti joining us, somebody who's been on four continents, now living in Barbados, somebody who really epitomizes the lifestyle, really has done a lot with co-working, co-living nomadic life. I'm just really excited to have this conversation because as many of you listen to this podcast, a lot of this is about just giving people the confidence to go live that lifestyle. And, and I think when we talk to Pat, today, we're gonna learn a lot there. Andrew, you've lived that lifestyle, too. I think it's really interesting. Anybody we meet on our podcasts that have been and lived in four different continents, I think you've done three or four yourself. Yeah, I think there's almost a special club for that. 

Andrew  

Right. Who's counting anymore, you know, just live and work wherever you want, work anywhere. Think there's a great hashtag for that even. But shout out to Ben Marks and the work anywhere team. You know, it's one of my most enjoyable parts of life. Right now, Allen is getting on with these guests on into the next show and hearing their stories, learning a little bit from them. And when I talked to Pat recently, it's like, you've got to come on, I gotta hear more of these stories, nuance, those experiences that I think are gonna really motivate people and kind of pull the curtains back to realise, okay, it doesn't have to be Costa Rica, it can be Barbados, it doesn't have to be Italy, it can be and I'm eager to hear the next one from him. This is gonna be fun.

Allen  

So it's kind of interesting, because we're going to, we're going to cover a couple of different areas, not only Pat's story, but Pat had a really interesting video that I reviewed, that I just thought was great was the needs of this nomadic community. And we're gonna go through that, but also, he's got some predictions about people taking the digital nomad pieces further along. So, Pat, why don't we bring you into the conversation, I would love to just ask you, for our community, kind of take us through how you've ended up in Barbados, but your your journey through four continents, and then we'll get into many of the specific needs and ideas that you have for this digital nomad community.

Patrizio  

Hey, guys, thank you so much for having me. Thank you, Allen. Thank you, Andrew, for inviting. It's great to be here great to share the story of my nomadic life and to inspire many new nomads. And it doesn't matter how many continents you've been through, you know, for me was four continents. But what matters is people that really feel part of this community, people really feel that they want to start traveling, because that's what we are trying to do, right? We're trying to push this revolution, this positive revolution, and it's great. And every time I meet somebody on the road, they say, Hey, I'm an I'm a digital nomad. And hey, how long have you been digital nomad? They say, one month. Great, thank you, you know, thank you for that, because you are pushing this revolution or even more, and it doesn't matter how long you've been through these, but you know, it matters, like know that you believe in this. So it's been an incredible story. Incredible nomadic life, I actually started to be a digital nomad, for necessity back in 2015, when I joined a rocket ship by the time 250 Americans and 25 locations in five cities across the United States, the company that probably all of you know, thanks to like movies, documentaries, news is called We Work. And by the time I was one of the first people, they had a European passport, so they COO came to me and they say, We gotta we gotta go to Europe. And you got a European passport. You got our knowledge about Europe. So why don't you book a flight tomorrow? Or you go to Europe, Europe, and we work everywhere in, in in Europe, and I say, Yeah, let's let's do it. You know, why not? I was 25 years old, and I moved to London and they started this incredible journey that they actually brought me to this fantastic community and maybe brought me home so here in Barbados. Yeah, it's been it's been incredible. So very fascinating story, fascinating, nomadic life.

Allen  

So I noticed, so part of your nomadic life, because many people we don't do a lot of work, but they also love to play and have a nice balance.

Patrizio  

Yeah, absolutely. I believe you know, look, I believe digital nomads are people that are not looking only for a nice view where they can open the laptop and work. Obviously, people feel that digital nomads are in vacation all the time. We work very hard. We work very hard. I met digital nomads that work like 10, 15 hours a day. Because you know, these guys are freelancers or digital and digital entrepreneurs. So they have to make the money to live and to keep going with the with the traveling. So and that's super important. So many, many people work very hard. And obviously you know when once we go to a new country without words to to connect with the community will have also to do some activities. So we're looking for activities. For me, you know, surf is very important. So I've been looking in every, in the last five years everywhere I go, you know, between Costa Rica, Portugal, Mexico. And now here in Barbados, I like to, you know, I like to connect with the surf community, I like to connect with other digital nomads and to share not only the knowledge that we all have no only like the space where we work during the day, but also we like to share waves and we like to, you know, to, to enjoy the time. So yes, and I think we work very hard as a digital nomads, we play very hard. And that's what really pushes this community to move forward. Many digital nomads are looking also for spirituality, you know, and I remember back in in Thailand in 2015, 2016, the end of 2016 when I moved to Thailand, and then I started like building together with other like 30, 40 people, the first digital nomad community in Chiang Mai. We were all like looking for, you know, meditation and experience around Chiang Mai with amazing temples. And for us, that was super important. And there was well, Breen sustainability, you know, how to impact this world in a good way. So I feel like there are many not really requirements, but many things that we have in common as digital nomads, and that was put us in touch and put us like together like through through this journey.

Andrew  

You know, I hear that, and my mind goes back to times in Chiang Mai myself, and as those wonderful memories, it was back in 1996, really, when I decided there's no place in the world, I don't want to work and I wanted to have this lifestyle as as, as an integral part of how I spend my years, and I figured out, okay, I want to marry someone who wants that. I want to raise my kids around the world. And I've done it. And at least for the first few chapters, and now it's a thing of okay, we're dreaming of where we're going to have a house next which country and Barbados is one of those places I'd love to visit. What took you there?

Patrizio  

Yeah, so I will, I will start from 2019. And so after traveling the world, being a nomad for necessity, expanding, We Work around the globe. And then moving to Thailand, because a friend of mine gave me a book, the, you know, everybody probably knows this book is called The Four Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss. And this guy gave me gave me this book to make fun of me, because I was working very hard for we work, obviously expanding like a multi billion dollar company with a fast growing, you know, pace was was hard. And so this guy gave me this book, and as a man, you get a world class. And so Oh, interesting. You know, these, these, these title is quite catchy. So let me read it. And then there was this, this whole, like story about nomads and living, like while like traveling and working, and living at the same time, like amazing experiences of like, Wow, maybe I should check this out. So and then my story went to, I went to Thailand as a as I mentioned before, and then I started traveling between Colombia, Philippines, Indonesia, and then back in the States, and then back to Europe. 

Patrizio  

And then I ended up in 2013, being recruited by this fantastic company. I'm a big fan of it, even though I'm not full time like working with them, but I'm still supporting them, and still connecting with them. And this company is called Selina, which is the fastest growing company in the hospitality industry. So I was recruited to launch the partnerships team. So to lead the global partnerships and as well to also strategize the call to market so how to go to new markets, how to launch like new markets, in a very fast, fast pace. So I was travelling for Selena, I got the chance to travel all around Latin America. And it was an amazing experience, you know, building the digital nomad hotel of the future. And remember Rafi Mazetti, the CEO Selena back in 2019, when I was, you know, interviewing the company and meeting him twice, he was a, you know, Pat, you know, this company, we need to build this platform for digital nomads live, work, and travel and play. So we're going to be everywhere in the world, and we're gonna we're all in Latin America, we need to be everywhere because digital nomads are gonna be everywhere. And that was 2019. And this guy was believing in that since 2015. So so there was lots of going on already. 

Patrizio  

And then pandemic, obviously, like push the whole process of speeding up these digital nomad community. So back to the story of Barbados. When I was in Portugal, working for Selena traveling around Latin America and Europe. A friend of mine sent me a text and it said, Man, check this out. You are the digital nomad. You should see this. And I opened this link and there was an article saying that this country Barbados was unveiling the first digital nomad visa. And I was like, Wait, there is a digital nomad visa? I'm missing something. So I went to actually check the article and I was like, wow, I remember back in the days and probably Andrew, you had the same experience. Visa run is what was for us, you know, the the the the possibility to go back to the same country where you were before so you have to cross the country, maybe sometimes also by by bus and then getting a stamp in the passport and then hanging out that in 10 minutes half an hour in the other country like back in the days in Thailand was Myanmar for me, and then getting another stamp to say other three months in Thailand and then escaped to another country because the government was kind of chasing us and say Who are these guys they're working in cafes and in co working spaces and not paying taxes. And now all of the sudden there was a digital nomad visa say, I gotta go there. So I booked a flight I went to Mexico I serve in Mexico and out in Mexico that the digital nomads and then arrived in Barbados in November 2020. And it's been incredible. You know, the Barbados is pushing, you know, these, these digital nomad visa more and more and more, the country attracted more than 3000 digital nomads. And people stay for one year, one year and a half, two years. And this was an incredible revenue opportunity also for the country, because many normals, maybe both houses and lands and the Gautier for like, like one year or maybe a half here. And they invited other friends here. And so it's a huge opportunity for the country, not only for attracting like a new target, but also to create opportunities for local businesses and local community. So it's huge. So since November 2020, I decided that my base is actually Barbados because we have, we need to have a sort of base right as a digital nomads. But I'm I'm still traveling, and I'm really enjoying my time here in Barbados.

Allen  

Quick question, and I get this from time to time in your mind. Is there a difference between digital nomads and remote workers and how they look at these different visas?

Patrizio  

Absolutely. And that's a great question. I think we all we all heard these two terms. So remote worker and digital nomads, sometimes we think that they are same, sometimes we think they're connected. My answer for these is, I think they are connected. I think, you start to be a remote worker, according to the policy that your company gives you. And my extension, you know, I differentiate like these two terms is that remote worker is probably somebody as possessions, probably somebody that rents owns an apartment or house in a major city, in an urban city somewhere in the world, and has the possibility to travel and to work remotely for one, two or three months, or maybe more, according to the policy of the company. Now, digital nomads, the difference with that are people that they don't have a base, they just keep traveling the world and they they are they live a very minimal life. And you know, they don't have like any policy with the company. They can work everywhere in the world, they just need a Wi Fi and they keep going, keep going, keep going. So now if you are a remote worker, most likely you can become a digital nomad. Because that's, you know, it's like, you know, guys, like tasting like freedom. So if you are a remote worker and your company say go for one month and two months, and then you love that, you're gonna look for maybe a company that gives you 100% remote work, and then you want to become a digital nomad. And there are today's opportunities, even for families to become digital nomads. And that's great. You know, it's fascinating what what's happening right now in the world.

Andrew  

You know, we've, we've hit on a few things here. One, you said families, community is one of the other aspects of you know, finding those like minded people, whether you're single, whether you're married, you're traveling with your partner, whether you're traveling with your kids, like I did that we had a teacher travel with us at times. We did local school with international school, we did boarding school, we've we've done just all all sorts of different things. But you've got your thumb on the pulse of a lot of this since you've been in this environment with we work in Selina for the past 10 years really. And what are some of the companies that come to mind for you that are kind of pioneering away? You mentioned Salina is that in kind of the hospitality space, and you know, we have phenomenal guests on The New Nomad podcast. I'd love to hear your take on some of the highlighted technologies and companies that come to your mind to your mind.

Patrizio  

Yeah, absolutely. That's a good question. So as I see, you know, I invest actively in companies, I advise companies, advise many CEOs of companies are creating products and services for our community because guys, we let's talk about it. So we are around maybe 35 million right now digital nomads roaming around the world, then there are tons of remote workers. And then we are expecting potentially, you know, an increase over 100 million by 2025. And people say the now recession is gonna bring people back to the office, I don't believe so. You know, I think recession will even create more like the nomads the remote workers around the world because companies need to save money in times like recession, so many people will move from an employment to a contractor contract and many people will have like more flexibility than many companies will give up on buildings and offices to save costs. So I think we're gonna be more and more and more in the next few years, and potentially by 2025 We're going to be 1 billion what people say in the industry, like many people are predicting this pattern levels. So you know, the guy that also made that prediction a few years ago so I believe. To answer your question Andrew that today there are many companies that are creating and they are disrupting and they are they're pushing this revolution and they believe that these big target will need services will need products in the future. And we can talk about many categories you know, your you know, you guys obviously, you know, with with an amazing company that you guys are creating and and building is is one of the services that nomads need, you know. Nomads travel the world. They need an insurance, they need to be protected, they need to drop the word they don't have to be stuck to look for a doctor to look for something. They need the social network and for example, for me, I'm advising an amazing company it's called Legends, which is the first social network for travelers and is launching in July or there are companies that are providing housing and providing program educational programme for kids like Boundless Life you know that, that I think is visionary because every everybody's asked me to a party. You are single, you know, even though you're a cabal, you're single. You guys are young, you can travel the world. I have a family. I have three kids, man, I don't think I can be a digital nomad. I think today you can be a digital nomad, I think there are opportunities for you to be a digital nomad. Yes, Selina is one accommodation. Yes, co working around the world offer a space to work. But then there are companies like as I mentioned, Boundless Life they organize programs for people to travel the world for families and to also like get kids socialise, and study together. This is like disrupting. 

Patrizio  

And then there are progress in life like remote year, you know, it's been around for like many years that is actually helping these new targets like people, they don't know how to travel, and they're a free to how to travel. And then they say, You know what, I'm gonna organize traveling for you for three months. And you start with three months and then if you want to go for another three months, you say another three months. So there are many companies in this space that is pushing this evolution, there are many companies that are creating possibility like, you know technology and and you know, you name it, you know, most of the companies are organizing, like retreats off site. Off site is huge. I think companies need of sites. It's a trend that I've been talking about in the last few years is now exploding. Every company needs that to keep culture because most of the people are working remotely. So is the only way to keep you know, people together. So there are many off sites companies, and you know, I came through like companies that are creating the metaverse for office, I came through all companies that are creating like, you know, solutions for a nomad to ship their stuff everywhere they are in the world, the backend back in the home to donate like to still pack light everywhere they are. So there are many companies in this space. And I believe, you know, maybe like two or three more companies a week potentially are born.

Allen  

So we focus on countries and companies, let's focus on countries for a second you were there. There's about 45 countries right now that have digital nomad visas, give or take. We'd love to see that that number increase, you had some very thought-provoking topic about where you think the digital nomad visa is going and see if I paraphrase and you can, you can, is, you know, coming up with an appealing tax rate, access to the health system, and really giving people assistance and incorporating or banking even if you're a remote worker, digital nomad. And of course us, in our space, you know, because we deal so much with healthcare, that that really is a big impediment is, you know, if you're there for a short period of time, like you said, you want to find a good doctor, etc. So, I'd love you to look continue to look into your crystal ball. Are those the three areas that you think countries should not only build out, but really double down on those different areas?

Patrizio  

Yes, Allen. So I think look, so far we have 45, 46 and counting like countries that are coming up with the digital nomad visa, but let's ask ourselves, what is this digital nomad visa? It's an entry. So we are giving the possibility to remote workers to nomads to travelers to enter in In a country and stay in a country, for maybe one year, there are companies there are sorry, there are countries that do even three years, Spain, there are countries that will six months. And so I think like standard is probably one year. So they just give us the chance to stay in the country for one year. And we pay a fee to, you know, enter as many times as we want, which is, you know, an extension of the tourist visa that we used to have before because the tourist visa is three months, and then you can do an extension for another three months, you can stay the country for six months, and many countries, maybe you can go out and then come back and maybe do another like three months. So at the end of the day, you do like maybe nine months in a country paying, you know, just a tourist visa. 

Patrizio  

So what is this digital nomad visa that that countries are offering us? If there is an entry, and now 46 countries are competing between between each other to say, Hey, come here. It's beautiful. It's an amazing country. You know, we got, you know, beach, Montaigne, we got community we got that, that that we got like amazing food. We got like spaces to work places to live. So they attract us, and we go there. But now my question is this digital nomads. Do we really need a visa for one year? I don't think so. I think like digital nomad travel within three months, and they move like very often and very fast. Now with pandemic, maybe they were moving slower, but now that's pandemic potentially awfully, you know, we we are overcoming, like, you know, this this big like problem in the world, potentially, we're going to travel like more like no often and faster. And now we probably stay in a country for like, three, four months by moms, which is the average for digital normal. And now remote worker actually can stay in the country for one to three months. So do we really need like one year visa, I think today, what countries can offer to us is even more, and then when countries are going to start offering benefits, then they're going to compete that and then maybe we're gonna see the first, like maybe the biggest human migration in history in the last 100 years. So we're looking at an opportunity here where counties can say, Look, you know what, I'm going to give you the chance to pay tax in my country and stay my country for three, four months, maybe you are not really resident in the country, you are resident non domiciled, which today you can find countries that have this status. UK, for example, you can be a resident non domiciled, and you can stay in the UK for three months. And then you pay tax not as as a British taxpayer, but you pay tax as a resident non domiciled. So I believe there is already a structure to do that. So some countries will come up with that and say, stay in my country, I give you a digital nomad visa residency where you pay that maybe 12% 15%, very appealing rate, and then you keep traveling the world, but you only can say my country for three, four months, or whatever it is going to be. And then if you pay the tax, I'll give you a health system. And then for these three months, you can do your visits here, you can do your surgery here, you can do everything here. And then what else, I'll give you the chance to open your company here. And when they say I'll give you the chance to open your company, yeah, they open a revenue stream for the country, because you are going to not only pay your income tax in the country, but you also going to, you know, open your company, hire local people and pay your corporate tax there. So which is a huge for countries that especially because us as digital nomads, we are going to adapt to be freelancers, we're going to adapt to be entrepreneurs. So we need to open a company somewhere in the world. 

Patrizio  

And I have many friends they say, Hey, I'm a digital nomad. I'm right. I'm resident in, you know, Italy, I'm resident in Germany, and I don't spend one day in these countries either spend even one day in this country. So I feel like tax is still something that people don't understand, like where people when digital nomads are present is something that people don't understand. So if there are countries today, they understand that there is an opportunity, they're going to look for that. Or even for example country, they say I'll give you a digital nomad visa for three years. So you pay the fee for one year that you pay the fee for the second year that you pay the fee for the third year. And after three years, I'll give you a residency and you become resident officially in the country where you paid the digital nomad visa for three years, and then keep traveling the world but your residency in this country right now. So many opportunities in this space. And I think we're gonna see a big human migration in you know, in the next few years big.

Andrew  

Yeah, I spent a number of years in Ghana, West Africa. And you know, the concept of the past of brain drain where people would get educated and leave those leave their home country to go work somewhere else, whether it was in the UK or US or other countries, that brain drain is going to take on new flavors, new new additions as people learn to code or use no code software as they learn to use their marketing skills and say, Oh, well I don't have to live in X country. I can go somewhere else. So this mobility that you mentioned, is we're only at the early stages of seeing how the the boundaries of the world are going to be dissolving. And solutions, from education, to banking to taxation to health care. It's all got to shift. So I like your commentary on that. We've we've come to the point of the show, though, where we've got a fun question, where folks get to share their most overlooked person, place, experience, book, we leave it pretty general. What's that one thing that our tribe, our listeners need to know about that you know?

Patrizio  

So, look, I think that that's funny, you know, that's a great question. I think, I think, honestly, what I really would like to share because we have to inspire people here, I know that that's the show, you know, we want to inspire people to to pack the bag today. So you that you that you are listening to us, you that you're watching this, you can pack your bag today, you can start traveling today. And the reason you know, it's just, you can find the life partner on the road, you can find the business partner on the road, you can live experiences, remarkable experiences around the world, you can learn languages around the world, you can meet friends around the world, and the world is not that far. You know, sometimes we think, man, I live in the United States, you know, Asia is very far Asia, it's a completely different culture. You're gonna end up with a German, you're gonna end up with the French, you're gonna end up with Italian, you're gonna end up with a with a Panamanian, you're gonna end up with a Thai, and you're gonna see that the world is not that different. You know, we all like have similarities we all have, like we all like to, we all like maybe same things. And that's the beauty. So I want to inspire people that they want to start traveling, I saw people on the road, they had the best time of their life. There was a I want to share this story with you guys. There was a girl that I met here in Barbados. She, she she came from Canada, and she was working. She was like running an online school for music in Canada, in a very like little town in Canada. And she was happy about her life. But then she came here to Barbados attracted me by you know, the promotion. I never seen her like, you know, honestly, I saw it the first week that she arrived. And then after three months, she was the happiest person in Barbados. She was a really like spreading happiness. And she was craving she was feeling part of the community. She was feeling part of something. So guys, try, I would say try with one month, try with two months, try with three months and go crazy. Go crazy. I think you guys can try this. It's a lifestyle is not a job. digital nomad isn't a job, be ready for missing home, be ready for loneliness be ready for you know, leaving with a small, you know, light bag, be ready to prepare your stomach because you're gonna probably eat like different foods around the world spicy foods, maybe you're gonna end up you know, like not feeling well, some days because, you know, you never know where you're gonna eat. But I promise you, you that you're listening to us and you're there, you're watching this, that you're going to have the best time of your life. So like, this life is for everyone, you can do it. And today, there are many companies that allow you to do it. So look for these companies. If companies say go back to the office, or you're gonna get fired, you have opportunities to go for companies that give you 100% remote work, look for that is full of companies and many companies will give more and more more flexibility in the next 2, 3, 4 years, 5 years. So look for that and start your nomadic life I really want is five years.

Andrew  

Fantastic.

Allen  

So that I listen to this, I'm inspired. I'm so excited to talk to you today. Where can people learn more about you and get more of your essence so to speak? And we'll have these in the show notes.

Patrizio  

So I obviously I you know my I have three missions. I'm dedicating my life to digital nomads since like maybe 2016-17 When I realized that I was a digital nomad before I was just moving every two months, one month everywhere with a bag carry on bag to expand We Work but I didn't know the digital nomad term. So since then, I decided that my life I want to inspire I want to push this revolution, this positive revolution now. I my three goals are I want to inspire as aspiring digital nomads and the way I do do that is I do lots of content on social media. So I am on LinkedIn. My name is Patrizio Ambrosetti on LinkedIn. And people can look at my videos and they try to give knowledge to digital nomad try this pilot digital nomads and mobility talk as well because I think it's so much needed there is so much demand for that. And I'm about to launch it. So my podcasts are inspiring by inspired by you guys. And and then the second mission that I have I try to help companies to transition to remote work. The way I will do that is I organize seminars for companies where companies hire me to inspire employees, and to also help the executive team to change the policy into remote work. And lastly, I support governments to create an environment to host us and to not just offering a visa, but to create like conditions, to create an environment, to create a place where people can go out they can connect and create community so you can find me on social media you can find me on my website is called www.roverpat.com. Rover like rover, the leader robot that goes to Mars, you know, they explore new planets I explore new worlds so I'm the rover pat so roverpat.com. And, you know, message me like comment on my Instagram comment on my my send me an email guys and I'll be happy to to inspire many, many more more people with Digenova life.

Allen  

Thank you. Thank you. roverpat I like I like that a lot. Andrew, I learned a lot today. I meant to one thing in the overlooked comments that Pat mentioned, in a roundabout way I'm inspired to come visit Barbados sounds like a great community a wonderful place. I'm somebody who likes to experience islands. Andrew, why don't you take it away and close off for us today and what you learned today?

Andrew  

Yeah, this is a couple of the key things as I reflect on this journey from We Work, through Selina, through the digital nomad visa is that of an remote work visas, like Cabo Verde Is is one of those places that have a new remote work visa from the last three or four months as countries have have an anthem. The biggest thing is, as I see this Legends, the app for travelers coming out and so many developments. We're at the cusp, we're at the early stages still, of what the world will be like. And I think reflecting on this hearing, Patrizio's use comments, has really fueled again, fueled my fire for what's ahead. So this is it's been really encouraging. Thank you all for joining us today as well. I know you review and subscribe and share it with your friends. So those who are listening. Thanks for doing that. That really helps us out