Remote Work While Sailing the World with Erin Carey | TNN77

Have you ever gone sailing? How about living on a boat? Well, it’s not for everyone. While many people think sailing is all smooth seas, sunshine, sunsets, and beautiful beaches, it’s also a lot of hard work and can be incredibly challenging. Sometimes we just need a little inspiration or some friendly reminders about why we continue to battle the seasickness and the fear and the storms to reach that personal nirvana and freedom that comes from being one with the sea.

In this episode of The New Nomad with Andrew Jernigan and Allen Koski, Erin Carey, founder of Roam Generation, regales the audience with her exciting adventures in their boat life. She also talks about why her unique sailor lifestyle makes her PR business thrive. If you think that this lifestyle of sun, sea, and waves is for you, tune in to this week’s episode and get the best tips from our three nomads. Live in the sunshine, swim in the sea, and drink the wild air.

[3:20] Anything is possible with research and determination

[9:49] Want to live on a boat? Be prepared to be cramped

[14:50] Getting firsthand experience by living the lifestyle

[17:27] Giving up is the worst thing to do in the Laptop Lifestyle

[21:54] Raising a family on a boat

[27:00] Music brings people together

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Erin Carey is the founder of Roam Generation, a PR agency focused on helping travel, leisure, and luxury brands share their unique and inspiring story with the world. Erin has over 20 years of communications experience in the corporate environment and has interviewed in excess of 1000 people throughout her career. She has an inquisitive nature and loves to ask big questions, to get to the real heart of the story. 

Roam Generation came about while Erin and her family lived on a yacht and sailed the world’s oceans. However, they weren’t sailors when they came up with the idea of leaving the rat race and sailing away. Without letting that minor detail get in the way, Erin and her husband bought a yacht on the opposite side of the world and went on to cross the Atlantic Ocean a mere 18 months later. 

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Transcript

Allen

Welcome, and thank you for joining us The New Nomad podcast. Erin Carey joins us today of Roam Generation founder/director. But what I think is gonna be really interesting for audience out there today is, you know, we've we've had a lot of kind of self-help gurus helping out people that have had interesting stories of why they've moved and joined the location independent community, but we've really never had anyone who's sailing around the world or running a business, with a family. It's quite an exciting story. I think this is something that all should hear, because it's gonna be really interesting. You know, Andrew, you know, we have a sidebar quite often about, there's stories that just get people excited to travel. And I think that the story that Erin is going to share today is one of those, your story got me very excited when you explain how you been traveling, I mean, different areas, but sailing, I think we're gonna learn today that there's a whole different level of kind of planning ahead, you know, is the Wi Fi working in this location? How rough are the seas, you know, what are the different paperwork issues? I mean, but it's a really interesting idea. What's your thoughts?

Andrew

Yeah, it's happening more and more actually, recently, I talked to a broker than that's his specialty is, is making sure people who are living on their boats, whether they're worldschooling, and living on their boats, or retired or somewhere in between young and doing it have the coverage they need. So it's it's becoming more popular. I, one of the things I really look forward to today is hearing the aspects of raising a family in such a tight space. I'm raising kids around the world is has its challenges. Anyway, I've done that and raising kids anywhere, even if it's in the same house, not just across countries has its challenges, because parenting isn't, is as simple as we'd all like. So Erin, is going to come in and share some of these things with us in just a moment. Thank you all for joining us again this week. We love you as a group of fans, we appreciate your subscribing to our channel, giving us those good comments and up votes and sharing it with others. So today, as we hear from Erin, invite someone share this podcast with him.

Allen

So let's bring Erin into the conversation. You know, Erin, as I was researching and looking at your background before this, it seemed to me it must have taken a lot of confidence, and guts, you know, using an old fashioned term to in 20 I think it was 2018, hit the seas and I would love to hear your story. So maybe a quick preamble of your where you are today and what got you so excited about this lifestyle?

Erin

Yeah, sure. I'm coming to its crest out. No, we weren't sailors. No, we were not rich. We did not have the funds save to buy a yacht. Due diligence and research. It was actually a documentary that inspired us. So it was the documentary by large eco the youngest girl to have ever thought around the world called maiden trip. And she she just happened to kind of come on our screen one night, we didn't plan it. There she was, and we got hooked. And after that documentary, that's literally all it took for us to turn to one another and say let's do it. We both agreed, Yep, let's do it. And two years and two months later, we flew out of Australia on one way tickets to the Caribbean where we had bought a yacht a couple of months earlier sight unseen. And yeah, the rest is kind of history. Here. We are now over in Italy.

Allen

So if somebody listens to your story, and I want to do the same thing, how hard is it first off to buy a yacht from from that great distance you bought it sight unseen. What's give a little little technical background of the difficulties maybe even some of the epic fails that might happen are abortive starts. But I think is one thing about this podcast is let's have a little bit as a primer of if others want to do this. How do you even get started?

Erin

Look, you know what, I'm a big believer in finding someone else that's done it and just copy what they do. You don't need to reinvent the wheel. So we did exactly way that we found a coach, we typed in family sailing around the world, one of the first things that came up on Google was a family code Sailing Totem, TOTEM, they had sailed around the world with kids, similar to our age when they first started. And they'd been going for 10 years. And she had just started like a coaching company, where I should say her and her husband work coaching, people like us land lovers who had absolutely no idea what they were doing, going from zero to living on a boat. So they helped us, you know, every step of the way, and they were very affordable. In the end, they saved us a considerable amount of money, because had we have not worked with them, we probably would have bought, you know, like a data of a yacht that wasn't going to be seaworthy. Or, as has kind of stands, we were assigned, we had signed a contract to buy a boat that was much more expensive than the boat we ended up with. And last minute, with their advice we pulled out because they just kind of said, you know, you shouldn't spend that much of your budget, you should leave, like if you've got 100,000 Spend 50 on the boat, and we were like, no, we want to get like a 90,000 boat. And as it as it sounds, that was an amazing advice. Because we actually ended up going on to meet the couple that bought the boat that we didn't end up getting, thankfully. And it ended up being a huge money pit and our trip was over within six months. So yeah, definitely get a coach. It doesn't have to be sailing, whatever it is that you want to do a big labor in that.

Allen

Do you have to every time you come into a different jurisdiction do a lot of paperwork. I mean, how difficult is that because you're running a business. You have a family? Yeah. And then you had to do paperwork, help us out kind of understanding the technical aspects of that.

Erin

Well, luckily, I'm not the captain of the yacht. So that gets me out of a lot of those duties. My husband being the captain has to go to customs, and he has to do all the paperwork. So I'm like hallelujah, one lot of paperwork in our life that I don't have to deal with. So it is it can be trying, it can be very time consuming other countries that can be amazing. Like, I remember Martinique, in the Caribbean, they had this system where you roll up to like a kiosk on a marina pontoon, type some details into the computer, pay like a euro or something to the desk, and you were done. You were in the country and you're allowed to stay for 12 months. Don't quote me, that's exactly what it is anymore. But you know, it was it was super easy. Greece, for example, we were trying to leave Greece just the other day because we're meant to be going to Montenegro. And because Greece is the in the EU and then in Montenegro is not in the EU, we had to sign out of Greece and get our passport stamp so that we could leave. Now, we started the process on a Thursday, and by Friday, it still hadn't been finished. My husband would arrive in one office, they said no, no, you've got to go to this other office. So he then trips to the other office. No, no, you've got to go back to the other office. I don't know if it's a fun game that they like to play with people like us. But after going back and forth and getting told kind of different stories and then coming back the next day to what he got promised was an appointment and it was going to finally get those, you know, all important stamps. They then said I actually were closing because it's you know, it's 12 o'clock, it's lunchtime, so come back Monday. So sometimes it can be extremely frustrating, extremely difficult and infuriating. But that's that is actually boat life. That's a perfect kind of synopsis of what boat life is like, it's hard work. It can be very trying, but it builds you know, I like to tell myself because if you don't kind of laugh about it, your cry that builds resilience and is making us seem to be better people let's hope that actually is the case. But there was a bit of a sneaky trick around that to come to Italy we didn't have to actually get a stamp because Italy is also in the EU. So we said you know what last minute on the day that we were meant to be going to Montenegro we had a last minute change and sale to Italy instead. And I mean who can do that on a Friday afternoon decide kind of last minute what country they're gonna go to in the weekend. So that those kinds of things make it make it very cool.

Andrew

That's my mind is going in so many different directions as I hear you thinking okay, you had to plan grocery shopping. Before the time on the water, how many days do you generally spend on water versus coming into port to buy foods you mentioned your husband do you have kids in this journey and that's it's a tight space or do you have a super yacht?

Erin

No, where we do not live on a Scipio unfortunately, we live on a 47 foot motorhome so it has two cabins ours is a queen cabin queen size bed walk around enough room for my desk over here at the side And however the boys are in the front cabin, all together bounce on either side. So I've got three boys. And they started on the boat when they were three, five and six, something around that three, seven and eight maybe. And as you can imagine, they were very little back then. Now the eldest is 13, he is at least a head taller than I am. The middle one is 11. And he's the same size as I am and the little ones about up to my shoulders. So this boat is getting very small very fast. So we've actually sold our boat and were in the process of finding a new boat because we need. You're muted, there you go. So I've just sold our boat, which means that we're on the lookout for a new boat, which is why we're going to Montenegro because there's a boat there that we're looking at, it's a catamaran. So we're going over to the dark side. And that means that we get about double the amount of space and the boys get a bedroom each which, which is, you know, it's time we need that, this boat is getting too small. It's been wonderful while it's lasted, but we're on to bigger and better things.

Allen

So I got a quick question for you on so you run up a public relations firm from the boat, and now you're getting a bigger boat. So thankfully, you'll have more room for your office, the things. You're running also a business, it's async, you know, so you've got probably people in different time zones everywhere. And what I really think about you running the public relations firm is you're obviously a traveling person who understands what people are looking for who want this lifestyle. So cup, just a couple multilayer question is, how does it go running a business from a boat like that. And of course, you got to make sure you've got good internet connections and your schedules, probably all over the place on many different time zones. A little bit about, you know, what that brings to your customers that work within the public relations about your travels, because I think it's got to be huge insights. So I would love your thoughts on running a public relations firm in the travel space yourself.

Erin

Right. So I mean, I think I'm the only PR agency that is run from a yacht while we travel the world. I've made that claim many a time, I've been in Forbes, I've been in, you know, huge publications. No one's called me up on it yet, so I'm sticking with it. But you know, there's so many benefits to our clients that I think, you know, first and foremost, whenever I introduce myself to an editor, who I'm pitching, that's how I how I open up the email, and you know, they're bound to be like, Oh, wow, that's so interesting. I, you know, I haven't had an email from someone that saying they've gone to Europe, you know, at sea. So I think I've got a higher open rate or higher hit rate when we're trying to get our clients into these publications. Our tagline is also that we live the lifestyle we represent. So we're out here doing it feet on the ground, we were traveling all throughout the pandemic we saw, you know, first first, what's the word I'm looking for here? We had a first hand account on exactly what tourism was like out here and what you know how bad it really was. And we were hearing our friends and family back in Australia thinking that we were crazy for being out in this dangerous world and you're gonna die from COVID. And you know what, it was actually really fun out here. It was very pleasant because there weren't many tourists, so that was great. So our clients benefit that way. 

Erin

We also specialize a lot in the yachting space for obvious reasons. So I mean, who better to represent a yachting company, whether that be a charter yacht company or a sailing school. Then somebody who lives on a yacht and knows all of the lingo and knows all of the publications and the editors and has a, you know, existing relationship with all of those people. So, you know, another thing is that we're able to keep our overheads low because I live on a yacht, you know, I don't have huge office space, our whole team is remote. We have relationships with people all over the world, because I'm continuously moving, and networking and meeting people and visiting properties and boutique hotels, and going on tours and meeting people on the tours. And so yeah, like, I think there's there's a lot of advantages. Obviously, there are difficulties as well. However, during the pandemic, we went home for 18 months, because, you know, we we happen to visit and then we were locked into Australia, but it was a bit of a blessing in disguise, it ended up being a good time just to stay home and spend time with family. And so I worked from home for 18 months as well. And I honestly didn't find much of a difference. Sure, you know, you've got a stable internet connection. And, of course, there are a lot of things boat wise and logistics wise that we don't need to worry about. But business wise, I was able to, you know, do it pretty much the same as I'm able to do it out here. So I run my company from a hotspot of my phone, it sounds not very technical, but that is enough to have zoom meetings and do everything that I need on the computer. So that is not difficult to arrange. The minute we arrive into a country, I walk to the lady, you know, to the nearest phones shop, or deli or newspaper shop that sells SIM cards, grab a couple of SIM cards, and I've got internet. Everything else I've got set up remote, that you know that most remote companies probably also use all of the programs and the tools. And my clients primarily are in America, which makes it really easy with the time zones. Most of the areas I'm able to figure out so if I'm dealing with someone in Australia, I'll have an early early meeting for I've got clients in America will usually be my afternoon and their morning. I've got a client in India, so it's only two hours difference. So I find that the timezone is really an issue. But I guess first and foremost, I mean, I'm obviously fairly organized, which I think you have to be to run a remote company like this. But at the same time I I'm, I feel like if I can do it, so many other people can also do this, because it's, it's not rocket science. Honestly, I think the secret to my success has been grit and determination. And the fact that I just haven't given up, I just keep going. And I'm not the best. I'm not the smartest, I'm not like the most intelligent however, I don't give up. And that's just kind of served me well.

Allen

Oh, that's fantastic. And very inspirational too. Because people don't give up, give us all confidence. Quick question for you on the geography. So do you move with the seasons? Or do you move you know, I mean, how do you guys decide, hey, you know, we'll be in the Caribbean at this time, we're going to go to the, you know, the Mediterranean, let's say a different time? Or is it more of a wonder loss? Like, hey, we haven't been there, let's go there, or are you trying to outrun storms, I mean, I would love to hear how you kind of plan your movement.

Erin

So it is all very seasonal related. So if we're sailing around the world, I mean, you can go the opposite direction, but most people go in the one direction, which is clockwise. And then you follow like, you know, kind of like the equator. So it's called the trade winds, winds kind of overblown in the one direction around the world. That's very simplified. But we've also got to look out for hurricane season in the Caribbean, winter in the Mediterranean. So we we sail in the summer in the Mediterranean, Mediterranean, and then in the winter, we go to a marina where we kind of just set up and live for six months. And that is because while there would be some days that you could sail, the weather's very unstable, there are storms and winds too strong seas are too big. So that's what most people do. So the Marina that you set up in is usually very social and becomes like home and you get to experience living in, you know, a local town. So last year, we were in Sicily, so that was great. The kids went to a local school and that was quite amazing. And then you can only cross the Atlantic. Again, this is very kind of generalized. Of course, you can go at other times if you have a big boat or you're more of a risk taker. But most people that are like us, only crossed the Atlantic between a period of a few months each year, that's when the seas are the karmis. The winds are the most consistent, so then that that kind of dictates what you're doing. So if you're wintering somewhere, you're having a summer season somewhere, then you're crossing the ocean to get back to the Caribbean at this particular time. Again, when you arrive it's not hurricane season. So you've got a few months to explore the Caribbean. But then hurricane season arrives, so you have to batten down again. And usually you go down to Grenada or Trinidad and Tobago, and do similar kind of haul up and just set up for a while. And then again, you set sail and move on to the next part of the world, which will be going through the Panama Canal and into the Pacific, which again, is you have typhoons and cyclones, so you have to go at certain times. So that's how it works around the world would be periods of sailing, and then usually periods of downtime. However, if you want to skip the downtime, you can kind of just keep going. They do the seasons kind of work out quite well, because they usually like flowing on from one another. So some people are able to travel around the world in two years, we had friends that went from the Mediterranean back to Australia in two years, it can be done. We're not fast travelers at all. We tend to stay in each place for at least a couple of weeks, sometimes, you know, a couple of months. It just depends what what your goal is and what style of sailors you are, but we're pretty slow.

Allen

And that gives you some community when you're in port for why that was. That was one of my other questions is, you know, we one of the issues that we have in this digital nomad remote worker community is there's there's a fair amount of loneliness. Now, thankfully, you're traveling with your family, but I take it the three boys, obviously, probably want to meet other folks adventure a bit. So that is how does that work out for them i you're traveling with family, beyond the excitement of the different exploration, different ports, it must be, you know, something that you'd consider all the time to?

Erin

Yeah, look, it's constantly on our mind, it can be very challenging, and I would say that is probably one of the most challenging things is ensuring that the kids are happy. So homeschool is very difficult for us. But on top of that is making sure that once they've done their school that they've got friends to play with. So they don't have friends at all times. It's just impossible to be with kids at all times. However, we do our best to track kids down. So I start Facebook groups, I joined Facebook groups, I will announce where we're going, where we're going to be who we have on board, how the kids are what they're interested in. And other people are also obviously looking for children because none of us want our kids to be antisocial and unable to kind of talk to people. So we will do our best to just kind of meet up in a place we all hang out for a couple of weeks, kids have an absolute last time of their life, make best friends have sleepovers kind of do all of the new usual things that happen on land. However, we'd probably take much more time to eventuate out here. Honestly, they'll come to us after day two or three and say Mom, Mom, can we have a sleepover at so and so's house? You know, they're our best friend. Now. Maybe not that's a bit of a juvenile thing to say now that they're teenagers. But yeah, they make friends very quickly. And they they get very close, and then they stay in touch online. So not ideal. It's just one of the challenges and one of the parts of this lifestyle that that you know, you take the good with the bad and hope that we're not messing them up. Because so many other good things that they get out of this lifestyle.

Andrew

There are you know, I hear that, and I hear the similarities. My 14 year old as you know, plays online with friends that he met at the International School in Rio de Janeiro that are now studying in Singapore, and others from different places around the world. And it's it's a different element of socialization. Sure, in person has its its deep values and those that you've carried for years. But as an adult, you often are separated from people that you've worked with in the past and you maintain those friendships, and really is as young adults, as children, often with an adult brain, we just don't give them credit for it. They're they're able to realize that relationships can be maintained, even though they're not in person. They may process that differently thinking oh, you take me away from my friends, but that they met in port or they met somewhere in these global assignments or our lifestyles as nomads. But that's really good to hear. Because online is as as today we're visiting and people around the world are hearing us in this session, talking about it. It's the same way with our kids. They're interacting online, whether we choose it or not, whether they're in the same city all year. They're making friends online.

Erin

Exactly. That's the way of the world back in Australia, particularly the whole time that we were out here and free and traveling the world, the kids at home were locked down and homeschooling anyway. So that made us feel better, at least for the first year that they weren't missing out on anything back home. And, you know, it's it's not ideal, but we just do our best to join them up to this, this wonderful program called out school, basically courses on anything you can think of cooking gaming, Lego, so we join them up to different kinds of classes. So they do those kinds of things, as well play games online with their friends, I've stayed really close with their cousins, which is lovely. So they're able to do all of that together online. So I think they're behaving pretty much how kids back home would behave anyway. Besides the fact that they don't get to go to school to socialize, but they do get to hang out with different ages and sexes, and, you know, adults and little kids and babies, and they can play with anyone, they can talk to anyone. So there's lots of advantages as well.

Andrew

And truly, truly, there are advantages. Tell us, you know, you've you've been out in and out of different ports, you've been to many countries in this lifestyle. What is an overlooked place could be person could be an experience, that that you feel that our listeners should know about?

Erin

Okay, well, this place has such a special place in my heart. It's Grenada in the Caribbean. So this is the very first place we went to, this is where we happen to buy our boat. And it's it's just amazing. It is lush and green and physically beautiful, beautiful beaches. You know, like pink flowers everywhere. Bougainvillea, on all sides of the houses, little cute little shanty shacks lining the streets, music playing out of all the houses they really love, they're stuck in music. And at the start, we were like, oh my god, what is this music, it's so loud and the thump was a headache. But after a little while, it just got into like our bloodstream. And we were just fat, finding ourselves just dancing away. Everywhere we went, they have these little mini buses that just stopped or they have a set route, but no timetable. Pretty much any amount of people can get on as long as you're not falling out of the bus, then they'll they'll just let you keep getting on and just kind of like keep piling in there. That they're always so lovely. Every time someone gets on and everyone on the buses. Good afternoon, everyone. So every time someone gets on the bus, you've got to say good afternoon to the first, which I thought was lucky. But the minute you drive off the music's just like, can you imagine? I mean, in Australia, this would never happen. You're on a public bus and they've got a subwoofer and in the back of the bus. And the music's so loud that you just can't hear so even speak, and no one would put up with that. But in Grenada, that's very normal, no matter how old you are, how many people you've got live on the bus, the music's blaring and it's just their life over there. They love their music. Obviously they love their realm as well. But yeah, we just fell in love with Grenada just a beautiful place lovely people very easy to just hang out there we ended up spending about eight months there on and off during our two year time over in the Caribbean. And one of the highlights was carnival so if you ever get a chance to go to carnival in the Caribbean definitely go to Grenada is carnival because it was it was fantastic.

Allen

That sounds great. That sounds great. Our listeners certainly will want to learn more about Roam Generation and yourself and I know on your website you also have a great free download of how to stand out in the crowd. I'd love it if you could share a little bit where people could get in touch with you learn more about Roam Generation and and really help educate them as you might be able to really coach folks through their public relations needs and other things and really appreciate your your feedback today.

Erin

Yeah, fantastic. Like if you'd love to reach out to us. Our website is Roam www.Roam Generation.com. All of our socials are at Roam Generation very easy if you type Roam Generation in you'll see all of our different all the different articles of being in and lots of information out there on the web. But we would love to speak to you in person so please reach out however you see fit email, send us a message on our contact form on our website. Send me a DM on social media, but essentially who who would be a perfect fit for Roam Generation. You're either a Travel Leisure or luxury brand business company expert who wants to get their name out there who wants to raise brand awareness raise the profile, you've tried Facebook ads you've tried doing it through social media, it just doesn't have the reach that PR has. But it also doesn't have the credibility that we're able to raise for you. So once we can get you in a, you know, a few really top tier publications, for example, like I said, I've managed to get myself into Forbes a couple of times, we've got plenty of our clients into Forbes. You can't, you can't beat that you can put those as seen in logos on your website. And the minute people come to your website, they'll go, they'll, you know, they'll get that feeling of like, oh, wow, this this company is legit. This company knows what they're doing because they've been in Forbes or they've been in travel and leisure, or they've been on Business Insider. So that's what we do. We just get you out there, raise your profile, get people talking about you get like razor but make a bit of a buzz and get your story out there. But why don't we do it because I love travel, obviously, to do this lifestyle, you have to love travel. And it's had a life changing effect on my kind of life. I went from being a regular mum in the suburbs to business woman, you know, founder director running a company from a yacht sailing the world. I mean, I still pinch myself that this is even my life. So I know how life changing travel can be. So I just want to share the stories of the amazing people who are either having life changing effects on themselves or on other people. So if you run like a really cool company that's giving people that opportunity to step out of their comfort zone or whatever, then we want to help promote that, because that's what we're all about.

Allen

Fantastic, and certainly inspirational, too. So, Erin, thank you for joining us today. You know, Andrew, we've had one of our earlier episodes was the gentleman who lived on the school bus and traveled around the schoolie. Do You remember that? And yeah, some of the technical aspects. You know, and he was he was traveling, this double decker school bus that he put together, set up some Wi Fi, was going to different places and working there. We've had our first person today that is running a business from a ship, boat, yacht, I think it's tremendous. I think that we hope more people feel that excitement. Andrew, your thoughts today is you take it away, I'm inspired. For people that sail the world. I think it's it sounds tremendous.

Andrew

Likewise, I've my mind has taken some virtual journeys, as I've listened to the descriptions that Erin gave today. And, and you know, what a fabulous way to, to raise a family. I'm sure they're their strengths and weaknesses and seasons that are tumultuous in more ways than one being on the waves. But it's been a pleasure getting to hear and see a look into your life. Erin, thank you for sharing with everyone today. I appreciate that.

Erin

Thank you. Thank you both guys for having me. It's been a real, real journey. And I love sharing my story. And thank you for asking questions that are just different and really evoking some great memories for me. So yeah, thanks again.

Allen

We appreciate it. So to our listeners, once again, thank you for for joining us today we hope we've given you a little more confidence to try something new. Travel is our passion. We want people to have a better understanding of the world through meeting others in different countries and places. The way people find this podcast is through typically word of mouth please share this with somebody else and look forward to a great review. Otherwise, look up the information that Erin provided but also please continue to travel well and travel often. Enjoy and thanks for joining us again.