From Loss to Purpose: Grief, Ritual, And Renewal

Grief can freeze a life—or forge it. We open a raw, grounded conversation about death, loss, and the quiet rebirth that follows, guided by Shantel’s story of losing her 16‑year‑old son and the years of healing that turned pain into purpose. Together we explore what conscious grieving looks like in real time: feeling everything without drowning, setting gentle containers for emotion, and choosing tiny acts of life that keep you moving when the weight says stay in bed.

In this episode, we’ll explore:

🌕 Turning grief from paralysis into practice 

🌖 Cultural timelines for funerals and energy movement 

🌗 Grief beyond death: identity, relationship, opportunity 

🌘 Ongoing bonds, signs, and frequency of connection 

🌑 Service as integration and post‑traumatic growth 

🌒 Using archetypes and soul contracts to map meaning 

🌓 Community spaces for being witnessed and supported

Whether you relate to mysticism or prefer a psychological frame, the core insight holds: grief needs motion, breath, and witness. You’ll hear practical tools like thought catching to stop mental spirals, timeboxing to honor waves without losing the day, and body‑based practices that move grief through the chakras so healing is felt, not just analyzed.

If you’re early in grief, take what helps and leave what doesn’t. When you’re ready for more structure, we share two pathways: our Conscious Grievers group, which blends coaching, energy work, and community, and our Soul Contracts and Archetypes masterclass starting March 23rd to map meaning and reclaim agency. And Join the Mystic Moon Collective, our monthly membership with weekly classes! Subscribe, share with someone who needs it, and leave a review to help others find this space. Your presence lifts the collective—one honest breath at a time.

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Transcript

Opening & Theme Of The Day

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Rene and Chantel Ochoa as we dance between worlds of shamanism, mysticism, and energy healing. Each week we illuminate your path to self-sourced wisdom and attune you to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Welcome, welcome, welcome to our Whispers of Wisdom. This Monday morning. Today, we are talking about death, grief, rebirth. What does that look like? Our experiences, and how to live life to its fullest. Like in the and the messages from that. So I'm joined today with Chantel Ochoa, who has been on her journey of grief. And I feel like this is definitely one of your greatest life lessons that that you wisdom that you hold. And I just recognize that we all have our own life lessons that really keep showing up. And this is this is um this is something that really is true for you. And so I really want to honor your voice, your your history, your her story. And thank you for thank you for all of the wisdom that you bring to the space.

Turning Grief Into An Initiation

Supporting A Friend Through Loss

SPEAKER_01 1:25

For those of you who don't know my story, um, 12 years ago, I lost my 16-year-old in an accident. And it definitely was a um dark night of the soul, soul death, all the things that comes with losing a child. Um, and at the time I didn't have all of the experience and knowledge that I do now. Even though I've already been exposed, I knew death that my dad died when I was four. So I always had that. But when I went through it with him, it just was a different level. And um, and so one of the biggest things that I received from that was a huge download on how we can cycle through our chakras and come out empowered through our grief and it being an initiation, it's a rite of passage, it is something that we um we contract before even coming into this life when you get into um soul agreements and all of that. And so that has been my journey. And I've you know, I feel I facilitate grief groups now and have great, great success with the people that come in and they have major transformation because it's not a traditional grief group of we're going to sit in our grief and stay in our grief. There's actual goal setting and moving through that energetically as well as understanding the cycle of life and death and stuff. Um, and now that's an online platform that I have started here with you. Um, but a big thing is that recently one of my best friends, and um, he just lost his 17-year-old. And so two weeks ago, I had to travel to his place and go help him with his um the funeral arrangements and everything. And you know, it was really just an interesting experience to go back to the town in which I lost my son, to a best friend that was with me through the exact moments of losing mine and now going to support him through his. The mirror effect of that was so crazy. Um, but then as I was driving up there and I'm going through all the processes, and I realized the healing that I have done through my grief allowed me to be able to sit and hold space for him and to support him because I could. And it wasn't triggering me in mind. Was there moments of thought about my son? Absolutely. But I was able to show up because I've already done, I've done so much work with it. Yeah, and it just was such a powerful week and such a powerful, like when I was driving home, being able to sit and be like, wow, I'm really proud of me that I was able to do that, yeah, you know, and to see it from the bigger picture and to bring those teachings to him. And he is nowhere near ready to hear um how you can cycle through and all of that, of course. But he was open to it, very open to it, because I get to be that testimony to grieving in a conscious way, and he gets to see me, and now I get to be that inspiration of if you can, I can. Yeah, yeah.

Timelines, Funerals, And Culture

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Wow, what a weekend. Um, that sounds yeah, it really was. And you know, of course, we're still yeah, right? It's not, I feel like that's part of the grief process is like an event happens, the the death occurs, and the timeline it can just be different for everyone, even in the funeral arrangements themselves. Some people have a really hard time taking those steps to have the memorial. I know when my grandfather died, it was like everyone was like, We're not doing anything for nine months. I was like, You gotta be kidding me. Like, people need a process. Well, yeah, nine months is a long time. Yeah, and I feel like um, in my experience, that's very common. And the deaths I've had, it's like someone dies, and then we're not gonna do anything for a long period of time. And I'm I would rather be one of those people like I want to freaking wake and I just want to wallow in it for a full week and process all the things and then and with others and be in that community space, like that makes so much sense to me. But pushing it out months and months and months and months, there's almost this denial of it's so right.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

And I feel like we are one of the only countries that that look at death away we do. Oh, tell me. You know, like in Mexico, it's you know, you're you're buried in 24 hours, it's a done deal. If you die in the middle of the night, there's a viewing by the morning, and you're done by that afternoon. You're you know, and I just find that so crazy. Like for that, I'm like, oh, that's really fast. But at the same time, there you're not being stuck in that grief cycle of processing your emotions. You know why that is?

SPEAKER_00 6:39

It's because of the embalming process. Because they don't do it, they don't do it, yeah. Yeah, and for I I go to a death and dying conference every year. Like, I love helping people at the portals, and death is a very obvious portal that I'm attracted to support people in. And so I go to these death and dying conferences and I learn about all these different ways of death and dying and grieving in the process. And I was like, just I for me, it was it's very much like 24 hours. I do not want to be embalmed, do not put chemicals in my body. Like you can compost me, you can put me in a box, don't care, do not chemicalize this situation. And that makes the process have to go so much faster.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

Yeah, it does, it does, and that's just cremation. So if you don't have a viewing or if you don't have any of that, like an open casket and everything, and you go straight into the um the cremation process, yeah, it's real quick. Yeah, but they can't hold a body for a long time, they can't, and I find that so interesting too, because I'm like, oh no, like you gotta get them in the ground or you gotta cremate them. There's gotta like we don't hold on to that for that long, you know? Right.

Conscious Grieving Versus Staying Stuck

SPEAKER_00 7:55

And so it's interesting with different cultures, and it's because of like the technology, the way we process here in the US, and knowing like if you were in Africa, like the whole village is wailing and crying, like different cultures, like the Jewish have their culture, like all of these different cultures of how do we grieve and what does that look like, and how do we celebrate and what does that look like? And how we perceive what is the right way to do this.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Yes, yes, yeah. And it's just it's a conversation that I think is so important, and it's one that gets brushed under the rug, it's one that people want to ignore, they want to suppress, they want to say, no, but it is absolutely a cycle of life. And when you have the tools to be able to embrace what's coming, because we're all gonna experience death to some degree, not only not our like our personal death, I mean which we all die, but we won't be here to experience that grief, you know. So it's it's knowing that someone in our life is gonna go and we're gonna experience it. So I find that there's always one death that's the one that really can take you through that darkness of the soul. And I think that there's one that you can never match all other deaths to. I don't know if it's like the first one that you have, or if it's kind of like mine where it was my son. Like that was, I don't know if anyone can match that one, you know, because it ripped me apart so much. And once you've walked that walk, you can't revisit that, you know. It's like you've learned that that pain, the ripping of apart is just, yeah, it's intense. But now knowing because I have so many things that I can rely on, I can go back to that is that conscious grieving aspect of it to say, okay, I lost this person, but look at all the things that I can sit with now, you know, and now I can help others, I can sit with my grief, I can honor my emotions, I can honor what my physical body is feeling. Where are my thoughts going? Can I thought catch? And instead of going down into the depths of depression with it, can I allow myself to just feel and think and remember the good things, you know, instead of getting lost in thought and trapped, because we can become very trapped in it. Right. And there is a long time where I even sat in silence because um my mind wanted to always venture off into those dark thoughts that anytime I was alone. So it was like, you know what? I need to actually sit in silence. And I did, I did for so many months. Um, but I was like, I would be cleaning and still active, but I would work in silence, I would do all the things in silence because I needed my mind to stop doing what it was doing. And now I can be in silence all the time, and it's okay. But I could not for so long. I'd be like, pick up the phone, gotta call someone, gotta put on music, I'd put some background noise on, gotta do something to distract.

Silence, Triggers, And Thought Catching

SPEAKER_00 10:58

Yeah, it's so interesting. Like when in that silence of sitting with the emotions that are present and not trying to escape them. So I'm curious about that process of the dark night of the soul, the soul death, the unraveling of it, and just recognizing that your process was unique and it it's very common at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Yes, yeah, and it is a lot of parents lose children. And I think that they don't know they don't know where to go, you know, and we're told that when you lose the child, it's the worst death to experience. And yes, it is, but there is a way to move through it too, because now it's like I can honor him and I honor myself, and he's always with me. That energetic, that spiritual body, you know, that consciousness of him, I can I feel him, which is a whole different thing than going through grief all on its own. Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Yeah. So in that process of it feels like dissolving. How do you find your parts again?

Soul Contracts And Finding Peace

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Living away and living in a way that honors him, so that I've, you know, like now I'm at a place where I don't have to do that as much. But in the beginning, it was very much about honoring him. And that's what I was telling my friend. Live a life that honors your son, go be happy, go embrace life, do the things that you couldn't do, you know, before. Um, and so it's it's really being able to say that they had to leave on their time. Nothing happens by accident, right? It's not like, and I don't believe that it's um like lack of a better way of saying it, like God's like, okay, it's your time, I'm taking you. No, I believe in soul contracts, and I believe that on a soul level, we know what the soul, what our life plan is, and we have that death date, and we have exit points, and if they're ready to go on that level, they do. And so when we can see it from that perspective and know for whatever reason that that it was their time, to me, that brings in a peace, a sense of peace. Instead of just thinking this was some random act, this was some random accident. Um, but that there are mystics out there, there are spiritual teachers out there that have done, and even if you journey to your loved one, you can ask the questions yourself, right? If you can connect to spirit, you're going to find out that they're gonna say, Yeah, it was my time, and don't grieve for me, don't cry for me. I'm happy, you're good. You know, this is a part of our plan. Um, but we you have to get to that place. And I was fortunate enough to get to that place and did it really easy, really early. Yeah. Like I was like looking for mediums real early. Like, where'd he go? What happened, and why did this happen? And I got the the answers I needed within a couple of weeks of of him transitioning.

Spiritual Gifts Awakening Through Death

SPEAKER_00 14:15

It's really, yeah, it's really interesting. I feel like we've got a few people in our community that took that path. Like they had the the death in the family and instantly leaned into their spiritual gifts and and development and turning to psychics and turning to the spirituality. And I think a lot of our listeners can relate to that of going when it's almost like when shit hits a fan, what do we do? We instead of resist, we lean in further of understanding and how can I understand this? Like what information, what support do I need from the spiritual world to let me know that I'm okay? This is okay, this was by divine plan, divine timing in some way. There's such a variety of ways to grieve. And and um I I feel like when we lean in, when we lean into the knowingness, it it's a comfort. Right. And so even if I was even if I was wrong, right? I'm like, but this brings me comfort to believe that there's a divine timing in this. There brings me comfort in knowing that this happened for a reason. And I I'm thinking about the time when um my best friend's father died when I was 12, and watching him have a long, drawn-out death experience and really being involved in the family. And that's when my spiritual gifts woke the fuck up. It was the day after he died, within 24 hours, he came to me and basically told me to take care of his daughter. It was visceral, you know, like it the energy was palpitable. Like it happened, I was awoken in the middle of the night with his spirit in front of me, you know, and so it's just it's and I was only 12. I was 12 years old, and it was a huge shift in um my understanding and my purpose. And I feel like my purpose has always been to be the healer, to be the spaceholder. So even though death hasn't like directly affected me in the ways that it's directly affected you, it's also shown me that I'm constantly the support person. Like I'm the, I'm the I'm meant to hold space for others in the process of these huge life transitions and how much it teaches me.

Choice Points On The Grief Wheel

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Well, and that was your initiation, right? Even though it wasn't a direct like family member, but it was your initiation to wake up and to recognize that there was more, more to life, more to you, more to like you, your gifts coming on, right? And so that does happen. And I think that's a big part of why we go through certain deaths in our life, is to activate that, is to wake that up in our in ourselves. Like our soul imprinted that on our timeline in this lifetime to say, okay, this is gonna happen. And one, it's gonna wake me up, and one, you know, maybe like for him, he didn't need to come here that long. Like he was already like had already mastered whatever he was here to experience. And I know that might be hard to hear because he was only 16, but that boy, man, he was a stage in himself, you know, and he touched so many lives. And and so, as a part of it, when I learned more, it was understanding too that okay, he definitely was here just for a short period of time to help me on my journey. And that was a part of our agreement, and so um it's it's just fascinating to me that now I'm like looking back, like, yeah, I could not, I would not be where I'm at right now if I didn't go through that. Now, could I would I change that? Absolutely, but can you? And no, I you know what I mean. There's that double-edged sword. If you could, would you? And then at the same time, I look at where my life is and I realize how much I wouldn't have if I didn't go through that. So it's definitely a double-edged sword. But I believe that he's there doing his work already. You know, he's still doing his work and he's still a part of the family line and in our soul family. So with that, it's it's helping people to embrace a different vision, a different perspective of death, right? So that you can be not become a chronic griever, which I think is what happens to a lot of people, right?

Purpose, Service, And Post‑Traumatic Growth

SPEAKER_00 19:16

Because they get trapped in that. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's so true. And I feel like the people who I know who are, it's like they're locked in time, they're lost in that moment, and there's no there's no energy movement out of it. And I feel like there's so much strength in the the the honoring of and the moving it through. Like that freezing in the grief and staying there can be you're no longer living life, you're not taking, you're not honoring the person in their life, but like you're you're you're stuck, you're totally frozen and bound. And what are the things that are gonna help and bind you? Right. And I I've just seen it go south. Mean like going to like where that chronic grief leads to chronic depression, where that chronic depression leads to you know, suicide, where that like it it's because you're not you're no longer living, you died with them. And that can be such a such a sad thing to witness for the people who are witnessing it. Like your partner died, your child died, someone in your life significant died, and now you are also dying. You're no longer living.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

And well, when you move through the grief wheel, there are definite levels, you know, stages, right? And so one of the the you know, the stages is for us, there comes this point through our grief where we make a choice. Do we continue to walk through walk the grief path, which is deterioration, or do we empower ourselves and and shift into the healing process? And that through that grief will, which is one of the tools that I use in my grief group, is to understand what that means and what it looks like. You're definitely working with yourself, you're negotiating every day with yourself, you know, and and so we have opportunities throughout grief to one, we're going through an ego death. A lot of times it really is because the mind wants to control the outcome. It wants to have a reason why did this happen. It wants to have a blame, it wants to push it out, it wants to do something. But when you can see it from a different perspective, you don't have to be trying. Wrapped in those thoughts of trying to blame and figuring it out and controlling it. You really can be in the flow of the energy and your emotions, like we were talking about earlier. It's so important to be able to say, I am feeling this today. And it is okay if today is the day that I'm just gonna be in my PJs and lay in bed all day. That's okay. But then tomorrow, when you get up, make tomorrow be a different kind of day. You know, and if you can, if you have to grieve every day, you know, give yourself a time frame. Say, okay, today I'm gonna grieve for an hour. I'm gonna really fill into all my emotions, all my thoughts, all my everything. And when that time frame's up, I'm now gonna shift because it will chew up so much time of your life. And before you know it, you've been in it for five years, 10 years, and you can't get that time back in your life.

Layers Of Grief Beyond Bereavement

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Right. And I think that's so, so crucial to understand of like that. If you're frozen in the emotion, how much life you lose. Like we're losing our life to the grief if you allow it to consume you. And how much of that, if of our life purpose and our our vitality and the imprint that we make on others are lost because of that frozenness in time. That we lose time. We lose our ability to make our mark and do our work and fulfill our purpose. So, yeah, it's really um super important to recognize and honor the time that we do have here and the how are we living our life and how are we spending our time and not denying the grief. Yeah, no, it's not about denying that. It's not denying it, it's not about like ignoring it or suppressing it. It's it is that I love that, like, put the clock on, you know, set like know that at this time I had um someone uh recently come to me and be like, I cried in bed, and then I knew that I had to get up and do this work thing, and so I did, but I really wanted to stay in bed, and I'm like, and you did the thing. You got up, you did the thing, you chose to live in this moment and not got totally consumed by it. And just because you had one rough day does not mean that tomorrow is gonna be a rough day. It might be, and like you can give yourself grace, but you can also keep recognizing that one day doesn't mean that you've um that it's always gonna be like that.

Ongoing Bonds, Signs, And Frequency

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Um, the thing is, is that grief is is patient, right? It's gonna wait for you, it's gonna be there. So it's like if you cry this morning and then you have to go to work or you have to go, whatever you have to do, support your kids, you know. You can grieve again in the afternoon. It's there, it's always there. So it's just allowing yourself to have, like you said, grace for yourself to be in flow with it, to sit with it when it's really present and to let it sit off to the side when it is. Like if if grief is huge, if it's like this big, enormous like bowl around you, let's just say, and you can contract that for just a little bit so you can breathe, so that you can really focus in on life, so you can go and do the things that that you want to do. Because we do, I'm a big believer. Like, if you're here, you have purpose, whatever that purpose is. But and a lot of times for what it does is people then go become, they go in service to others. They now have an offering. There's something that they're gonna go and support. And a lot of times, you know, people will do scholarships in honor of their loved ones. They will go and, you know, um, so do like a grief support group, or they go and just learn how to support others. They show up where they could never have done in the beginning, you know, or they didn't have the capacity before they had that experience. I have a friend now that she went through the loss of her parents and now she's working at a hospice hospital, you know, and that would have never been something she could have done prior to because she didn't have the death experience, the grief experience. She wouldn't have been able to um to connect with the grieving families if she didn't go through it herself. Right. Right. Yeah, that's just a great example of how do we use this in service to others and service to our ourselves. And is that a part of our plan here on earth?

Early Grief: Grace And Practical Tools

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Yeah, for sure. And I feel like in our community, you know, our spiritual space, that often is the case, you know, and I think that's why it's like I um I hate to use this term, but like like sometimes we're not the normies, like sometimes we're our that initiation, that that divine calling to be present, to have these traumas is the igniter, it is the the catalyst for us to keep moving along our our path of how am I to use this this wisdom, this experience, this trauma to then go and support others and healing theirs. And you know, whether this is death or some other trauma, you know, the the horrible marriage or the sexual trauma or whatever, whatever it is, like how often are those things happening to help move us forward on the path? And I think that's where those soul contracts and divine timing and divine orchestration and things all come into play and like why we have the archetypes that we have and what drives us forward and creates that container. I'm always I'm always so curious about this and how it's almost like a lightning strike. Like you don't know which path it's gonna go off of. Like there's multiple avenues forward. You know, um, the the th the thought that comes to my mind is my brother was very close to death. He got in a car accident when he was uh five, six years old. And um, he was playing, we were playing ball in the yard and he got hit by a car and lost his foot. And um, he lost a lot of blood. He he almost didn't make it, and he survived. He ended up needing a prosthetic and surgeries and all these things, and now he develops and makes prosthetics. Oh wow, right? Yes, you know, and it's like that's a great example of soul contract, right? But at the same time, you know, my dad was giving him Reiki. He has nothing to do with Reiki, he could have taken a different path, right? He could have gone and been an EMT, you know, like there, that's where it's like that lightning bolt of like, here's all these avenues of which way your path is going to take you. And there it is. There, there is what drove him forward. And so even though he was a victim during his childhood, how he helps vets and he helped like uh veterans and he helps other people who have accidents. And you know, when parents are freaking out that their child is are going through this huge trauma, all he has to do is pull up his pant leg and be like, I've done it, I've been there, and have and invoke that empathy, right? Like, I just find this world so rich in these types of stories, and you can't it's uh it's to me it's like it's undeniable. It's undeniable.

Offerings: Groups, Soul Contracts, Archetypes

SPEAKER_01 29:47

That is that is a great example of it right there because exactly if he did not go through it, he would not have the empathy that he wouldn't be able to connect with those parents and you know, with the other his other uh clients or patients or whatever that to have that experience and to say, no, I've been there, I've done it, and you too can move through this, right? And so it's we see the traumas in the beginning as being the most like profound loss, you know. And I'm not just talking death, I mean we're you know, let's break it down even to layers of grief, right? So that we can be grieving on so many different layers, and so even in my grief group, I don't just focus on for loss, I focus on identity loss and opportunity loss, relationship loss, you know, divorce, all of it, because those are all layers of grief. And there are so many people that are grieving that don't even know they're grieving. And that is such a big question. Like, you know, when I work with people and and I'm like, have you thought that maybe you are in grief over whatever they're there for? You know, and and when they hear that, it takes them a minute, like, no, initially they're always like, no, and then give them a moment, they go, Yes, well, maybe I am, I am, and I'm like, Yeah, you are. So let's work with that. Let's work with that, let's focus on our grief and our emotions and what did we lose and and and let ourselves feel that for a minute. Yeah, really sit in the loss of whatever that is, and then we can start to transmute that and transform it and bring it into make it a powerhouse on some level, even if it's just to say, I can release that, that expectation, that thought, that you know, whatever, it really helps people. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

And I and I love this um recognition to that the grief process, yes, it absolutely happens through death. And the way like my parents had to grieve their son, my brother, who got in this accident, of what they thought his story was going to be. Yeah. You know, the all-star player, the, you know, the kid that would be, you know, excel through his body, right? Like, or um just the amount of time it took with all of the different surgeries and healthcare issues, and you know, for and for me to not have the brother that I could just play with, you know, like we had to play in a different way for a long time. And, you know, it's so dynamic and complex of an issue. And I think that this is such a human, valid emotion that even if I mean, you would have to literally live in a hole to not experience grief. Yeah, pretty much. But it's everywhere, it's all around us. Like I today woke up and heard that one of our high school students died in town from suicide, and like it's so present everywhere. Death is happening everywhere. And to recognize, like, it's yes, it's a part of life. People grow old and they transition, and that's not always the story.

Community Invitations & Closing Credits

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Yeah, it's not, and the transition is that we just transform to a different energy, right? And that's a thing is we don't die, our physical self dies, but our conscious, our spirit, it continues, it's infinite, it's infinite. And so we know when I talk to grievers and they go, Well, I miss them, I want them here physically. Of course we do, because we are in the physical, but then when this ends and we are back into consciousness and we're back into that energy realm, you know, it's all there. We're all connected. It's that that um tapestry of you know, the soul tapestry. It's like it's all connected. So we can choose to connect with them here and now. I mean, how many people have those experiences with their loved ones where they have the synchronicities, they have the signs, they see them, they feel them. And so you it's undeniable when you experience it. Yeah. And everybody can, but it's also where are you resonating at? It's our frequency, right? Because if we're not connecting with them, it's because we have our own block. Whether it's a mental block, an emotional block, an energetic block, there's something there that is constricting us from having the experience of knowing that they are around us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

Yeah, it's almost like part of that suppression and denial of the experience can it's a turning off, it's a restriction, a contraction of your abilities, right? Yeah. Or that we are turning away and not trying to look at it and repress, and I don't want to do that. And I just, you know, like that whole denial piece of grief, then it's like, well, you're also denying the connection that's still present. Yeah. And what messages are they trying to give you?

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

And right, and then the messages they're trying to give you. Oh my god, that's it. Yes, right. Like they don't want to hear it. They don't want to hear that they're fine.

SPEAKER_01 35:27

Right. And people get so mad about that too. Like, well, why are they fine? Well, because they're not the ones attached to the emotions and the experience, you know, they're they don't have that. So it's us here in this physical world, this physical experience where we're moving through all of the layers of emotions, and spirit just doesn't have that. God, that that gave me the they're not over there grieving us. They're like, do you, you you got this. This is your life, you know. And a lot of times they're on the other side helping us. So, you know, it's just it's just tuning into that. But it's very fascinating. Um, when you can get to this end of it, um, of course, when you're in it and it's the initial reaction, no, you're not going to be, you're not going to feel like that. So just have the grace for yourself, really, you know, hone in on what you're feeling and what you need. And it's okay. Grieve as you need to grieve. Um, there's no pressure to say you need to walk through grief in a certain way. Not in the beginning, you know, and and if you want those tools because you are going through that right now, or in the beginning of a loss, then yes, there are tools for that. There's ways of moving through grief from day one. However, there's no pressure on that. And that's what I was explaining to my friend, because he's just like, I can't even think about where, you know, like I can't even think of myself being there. And I said, Well, you don't need to, right? You're not meant to right now. You're broken, you're hurting, you're sad, you know, you lost your son. So be there, be in that moment because there's so much in that as well. And then I said, But as time goes on, know that you can. Yeah. And it was a powerful conversation for him to be able to receive, and then to say, how? How did that happen to both of us?

SPEAKER_00 37:25

You know, right, right. I feel like that's still that mirroring. Um, there's there's something there, there's so much richness, there's something in that. Um to me, that's what feels like soul contract. There's something happening here, yes. It's too similar to not have something going on.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Yeah. Yeah. And and we do have that. And so um being open to it and and understanding that there is, it's the like I said, it's the mind that likes to trip us up. But when we process through that and we're we live in our heart, our heart tells us different.

unknown 38:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

Our intuition tells us different. Yeah. So I know that we've got a few things that are really supportive of this process. And I know we have our conscious grievers group, but we also have Soul Contracts and Archetypes masterclass coming up right around the corner. And I just um I feel like we should take a moment and let our listeners know about these opportunities to heal right where they're at, whether that is I'm in the grief, I'm in the grieving process, I need a conscious griever's group that's beyond a support group, or I've been through it. I understand how it's impacted me, and I want to put more of the pieces together. And I want to understand my soul contract, and I want to know why it's going the way it's going. And I want to understand the archetypes and why I chose to come in this way and what my life purpose is and all of those yummy, juicy pieces because you're starting that soul contracts and archetypes class.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Um, we will be starts here in March. And it is about putting those pieces together. So, with the first part of it, the soul contracts is you're mapping out your own soul contracts, and I will show you how to do that. And it's through a lot of support and meditations and looking at your own life. Um, and then we move right into the four primary archetypes of the victim and the prostitute, the saboteur and the child. And when you can see yourself from that perspective of what is what are the archetypes, what is my will, how does this show up in my personality and how I live life? It literally puts all those pieces together. And so that's a huge way of being able to shift from being a griever into a conscious griever and knowing we can put all the pieces together, as well as um through the veil conscious grief, it is more of a coaching grief support group. Um, so you are being coached through your grief versus um just coming and sitting with it. And so you are being witnessed, you are being seen, but there's gonna be tools that you're gonna receive. You're gonna learn how to work with grief in a different way. There's exercises, there's healing, there's Reiki. There's so much that is being offered in that. And that's a second and the fourth Tuesday or Monday, yeah, Tuesday of every month. So, so we can definitely come to either one, both if you want, and know that there's a just a huge grief um support there. And knowing because I've gone, I've walked the walk, and um I can meet you where you're at for sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

Right. Yes, absolutely. And I feel like those are two um very tangible ways to kind of continue working through the process, depending on where you are at in the process. Right. Yeah, and um, so thank you. Thank you for that offering. I can't um express enough how valuable your background and your experience and the way you have crafted these offerings are, and just recognizing how many of our students have gone through the process with you and how much they have benefited because of where you are at, where your experience has been, and to really relieve people of the pressure that it has to be a certain way and that it has to go through a certain cycle, and that it can be uh a sitting in, and also how do we move to the next? How do we how do we keep going so we don't get in the stuckness?

SPEAKER_01 41:59

Yeah, yeah. I know in the grief group too is that we will be moving through the cycles of the chakras. So you're not just you're energetically shifting that grief through you. So it's it's not, we're just gonna, like I said, sit with it. You know, we are going to move it, we're going to shift it, we're gonna move it, we're gonna love it and heal it and see it from through the lens of our energetic centers.

SPEAKER_00 42:25

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. And it's the fourth Thursday of the month this week. So we have our sacred conversations happening in our Mystic Moon Collective group as well. Like we've got meetings, yeah, Thursday.

SPEAKER_01 42:44

So that's just an open conversation. Come to the table with whatever questions you have, and and we're just gonna have an open conversation, open mic with that, which I love. I'm excited for Thursday.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

Yeah, it's gonna be sweet.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Well, yeah, the collective is a is a good thing that we've really uh brought forward. There is a lot to it.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

Absolutely, and I believe that it will keep growing because of the different offerings of intuitive development and support that you get out of that space as well. So if you're like, oh my goodness, there are so many cool offerings happening at Moonrising, it's because yes, there is. And we'd love to jump on a call with you to help you figure out which is the right fit for you. So know that you can um message us on Facebook, you can send us an email, whatever that feels like, um, the best way to connect, and we can jump on a call and and help you figure out where's the right space and place for you. So we love, love, love to have you have you in in the classroom setting, in the container, the sacred container of holding space for where you're at. So thank you, thank you all for listening, for participating, for showing up. Like it means so. So much to the almost like I want to say to the collective consciousness.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

It it does. Yes. And we need to say that. Yeah. Because what we're doing is absolutely lifting the collective consciousness. So even as listeners, as those who participate, become students, all of it, you are literally lifting the collective consciousness from wherever you're at. Yes. Just bringing in that awareness and being ready to embrace new learnings and teachings and have conversations that you might not be able to have with other people in your life. Yeah. But here you definitely can.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

Right. Exactly. Exactly. So we're here for it. We're here for the conversation. We're here for the lessons and learnings. We're here for the alchemization. We're here to support. And so thank you, thank you, thank you for all that you do, Chantel. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

You too. Thank you, Christine. Thank you, everyone.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

Have a beautiful day. All right. We'll see you next time. Bye, everyone. Thanks for tuning in to today's show, the Wisdom Rising Podcast is sponsored by Moonrising Shamanic Institute. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting app and be the first to know when we release a new episode. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube at Moonrising Institute, or visit our website, Moonrising Institute.com. Once again, thanks for sharing space with us today. And until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.