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Bonus Rewatch of the 2011 SHOWTIME Original Series Gigolos - Yes, All About Male Escorts in Vegas!
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High Low Brow is back, baby! We're here for a bonus four-episode re-watch of the 2011 SHOWTIME Original Series Gigolos. The hit reality television show that we became obsessed with during the pandemic for its quirky and glamorous storytelling of the lives of male escorts living in Las Vegas.
During this four-episode re-watch, we'll be offering you a front-row seat to rediscover the iconic characters, the eyebrow-raising ideologies, and our honest reactions (it's been a while since we've watched) of all 8 episodes of season one. As we revisit the series, we're not just chuckling over the comedic gold and the facepalm-worthy moments; we're also probing the depths of heavier topics like racism and sex positivity.
Expect a candid dissection of the tangled web between companionship, empowerment, and the fine line of personal boundaries in the escort scene, delivered with the same irreverent humor you've come to love from us.
We'll be dropping new 45-minute episodes every Tuesday for the next four weeks. If you like what you hear, don't forget to leave us a review or share it with your pals. We're gearing up for season four and hope this keeps you company in the meantime.
Welcome to High Low Brow. The show with high brow takes on low brow culture. I'm your one host, Amanda Scriber, and I'm your co-host, River Gilbert. We're supposed to be on break.
Speaker 2But we said we were going to do this thing.
Speaker 1Whoa, I said we were going to do this thing, yeah, and you were like I think you had talked about it a bit in our last episode, didn't you?
Speaker 2The original plan was to release it on Christmas Day. We talked.
Speaker 1But, like you know, whose life has a way, we made bagels instead. Yeah, and they were good bagels, Good bagels, yeah.
Speaker 2We're doing a rewatch of Jiggle Loans.
Speaker 1Yes, so for those of you not familiar with the show, it is a reality television show that was released in like 2011. 2011. Okay, so it's been a while.
Speaker 2It's been 12 years, almost 13 years. It's been a while. It's been a while. It's been a while. Old Jan Alpha show.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. And like I think, when we found the show, it was originally streaming on Crave in Canada and we had our Crave trial.
Speaker 2I was laid off from work at the beginning of the pandemic Yep and I think you were still working Ish.
Speaker 1Ish yeah.
Speaker 2And like we were just like we just need something mindless to take our mind off this and we're back in that mind frame.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean. It's been, however, many years since the pandemic started. The pandemic is still a thing that most people think is not a thing, and you know, there's a genocide happening.
Speaker 2There's a lot of shit that's happening on our bingo. That was not really on our bingo period.
Speaker 1For sure. So I think you know, I think we're back in that space where we need something that's mindless.
Speaker 2Mindless light and totally whatever, it's probably going to be very problematic.
Speaker 1Oh, of course it's going to be Like would you imagine 2011. 2011 to now not being problematic?
Speaker 2So what do you remember about this show?
Speaker 1Okay, so, jigalos, what I were, and I think the initial like reason why we started watching it other than it being like mindless, other than it being like you know something that you could just watch is that it was about male dancers in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2Male escorts yes, they weren't dancers.
Speaker 1My dad and we were kind of like, well, this seems interesting.
Speaker 2I was expecting. Do you remember Silicon Valley?
Speaker 1I never watched it, but I do, you know of it.
Speaker 2I was expecting something similar to that. Got it. I don't remember Silicon Valley very well either, but Something tells me it was. Also probably very problematic.
Speaker 1Probably Everything was yeah. So yes, what I remember is there was always a group of guys. They were escorts in Las Vegas. They had this one guy who was like their escort master.
Speaker 2He was like the Charlie to the angels.
Speaker 1Yeah, what was his name. I forget, but I just remember he was always. Like he reminds me of the manager and the other two.
Speaker 2Oh, my God, played by the guy from Hardy Down. Yes, it's his name. Yeah, yes, big that energy.
Speaker 1I'm going to give you some context. But they were always showing the ins and outs of what it was like to be an escort. And the thing is, some of these scenes were probably set up, but some of them it was just like I don't know why we're here right now. So, in terms of tangible details, character can't forget Brace, brace land. Brace land, yep Brace nutraceuticals.
Speaker 2Nutraceuticals Brace was always like if we asked him where he was on January 6th, he wouldn't give us a straight answer 100%. So he's like gone down the Alex Jones pipeline.
Speaker 1Yes, 100%. And then there was, you know, the guys each seemed to have. There was the one guy who, like, ended up getting a cast of his own member.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, and he was, he was the. I was like I remember there was this one really annoying guy and he was the one who goes. It's Vargas Barber.
Speaker 1It's Vargas Barber. And they kept that for every, all of the six seasons yeah, every single season, and this man was obnoxious as hell, I feel like in the first season, if I remember correctly. He's obnoxious, but not as obnoxious as he gets throughout the seasons. I mean, he's still like I feel like oh, he was a.
Speaker 2he had a band too. Yes, he has a lot of tattoos and he's like everybody wants to be with me and he, he's like the most mediocre white man in existence, like not good at anything, 100%, but thinks he's great at everything.
Speaker 1Yes, that is the best, best way of honestly. Those are like.
Speaker 2I remember a lot about the show, but I think that encapsulates Well, I remember there was like a Mr Peanut Butter type, yes, and where he was like he's like I'm wholesome, Like he doesn't make past season two because he falls in love and he's like I'm leaving the escort game.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 2And then the best character comes in, who is like just the best way I can describe him is like his fursona would be a horse.
Speaker 1Is this the guy that was part of the army?
Speaker 2No, no, no, no, no. Different guy, no different guy. The guy with the long hair and the beard, and he was just so passionate about everything.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 2Yeah, best character.
Speaker 1Yeah, and he. This is the same guy who was into Tantric.
Speaker 2Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, and again, fursona would be totally be a horse, totally be a horse.
Speaker 1I'm like, ah, yes, yes, good hair. Yeah, yeah, Okay, well, that's, that's what we remember.
Speaker 2That's what we remember.
Speaker 1I mean, I feel like that's a good primer before we get started. So talk about what people can expect over the next four weeks and the episode drops what they're going to get.
Speaker 2We're going to drop one episode every week. We're going to bundle two episodes in one of our recordings.
Speaker 1The episodes are typically 20 minutes each.
Speaker 2It's an easy watch.
Speaker 1Yeah, so we figured this was the best way, but also because this is sort of like our little gift to you, a little bonus.
Speaker 2It's also a gift to ourselves, because we get to experience jiggalos again and we don't remember anything. Yeah, it's true, it wasn't one of those shows that is like, ooh, lasting memory, yeah, no they're like I think before we started recording, I was like I remember two things about this series. Like one of them was like trying to set one other guy up with a friend of his and he's like oh, the one thing you should know is she's fat, and that was apparently the biggest fucking deal in 2011.
Speaker 1Yeah, apparently no fatties, apparently.
Speaker 2And the other was Mr Horse giving like massages in like season three or four.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 2And nutraceuticals. That's it, that's it. I can't believe the plastic, the dick casting, the dick casting. I did not remember that at all.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, I totally mentioned that it stuck with me, apparently, I think.
Speaker 2He also, didn't he also get like a blow up doll of his likeness? It sounds like something.
Speaker 1It sounds like something he did.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, he's trying to Jay-Z this. Yeah, it's all about the merchandise, it's all about the merchandise baby.
Speaker 1Well, okay, so they're going to get two episodes or sorry, two episodes of jiggalos per episode that we release. What else are they going to hear?
Speaker 2Oh, we're going to go. We're going to have wisdom from Braceland, so trust me, there's so much wisdom from Braceland. So much wisdom. So we're going to talk about, you know, his little life lessons, things we can learn from Brace. What would Brace do? What would Brace do, and oh, we're going to have our jiggalos a week, yeah, of who we think is objectively the best jiggalos. Yeah, I have a feeling it's never going to be Brace.
Speaker 1Oh man, I was like is it going to be Brace?
Speaker 2It's never going to be.
Speaker 1Brace. Okay, he's so problematic, he is very problematic, but you know what? Here's the thing there's some people who are made for reality television, and Brace is one of those people.
Speaker 2Brace is the Jacks Taylor of jiggalos, yeah Big time Totally. The other guy is the first Burger's Fever guy is totally the Tom's Animal.
Speaker 1Oh my God, yes, I can totally see that I know we're probably forgetting people. We are, we're just like, it's just those two, and that's it. That's it. What should we just watch, just watch.
Speaker 2Okay, please watch along with us, yeah.
Speaker 1Please watch along with us. Let us know what you think.
Speaker 2We'll be back with the first two episodes with our impressions.
Speaker 1Yeah, we'll be back right after this little noise the roof and you'll hear our thoughts on episode one and two. Let's do it, let's do it.
Speaker 2Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1We are back.
Speaker 2We watched the first two episodes.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 2My initial impressions being like oh yeah, the one guy who's a Mr Peanut Butter type. Okay, so cast. We have names for the cast now.
Speaker 1Yes, we do have names for the cast now, okay.
Speaker 2Nick is the obnoxious one. He's the Vargors Barber.
Speaker 1It's Vargors Barber.
Speaker 2Brace Problematic.
Speaker 1Yeah, Brace is super problematic. I wrote in my notes he looks like Sam and Jerky.
Speaker 2He does look like Sam, and Jerky, he does. He probably smells like Sam and Jerky too.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, jimmy, I initially had as Mr Peanut Butter type. Yeah, as we watched the episode, I'm like Jimmy's a fuckboy.
Speaker 1Yeah, Also I wrote down. Jimmy looks like a ventriloquist doll Dies or a d-list, Antony.
Speaker 2Oh, my God, yes.
Speaker 1Yes, yeah, 100%. It's like he has that very distinct chin. Yes, yeah, we got Vin.
Speaker 2Yep, I have in my notes for him Vin unleaded instead of Vin Diesel.
Speaker 1So good, because I put just a Vin Diesel, not for him.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I just have four question marks because I did not remember him at all.
Speaker 1Well, I put Stephen, sounds totally dilulu.
Speaker 2We have, I thought so, and Stephen will get to.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2And Garen was the guy yeah.
Speaker 1So he has such a huge forehead. I know that all of this sounds like we're picking on them, like aesthetically we are, we are, but like he has such a large forehead and on top of that you can tell he's had hair plugs.
Speaker 2That was my note, is Garen definitely?
Speaker 1has hair plugs.
Speaker 2Yeah, that is like so terrible Do you know it's a bad hair plug job, though it is.
Speaker 1It reminds me of, you know, when trans women go to get their hair like lying.
Speaker 2Yeah, lowered.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. It reminded me of because it was back so far. Interesting, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 2Okay, yeah, I don't know. I think that's the one I feel like was the pilots.
Speaker 1Yeah, of course I mean like they, let us know, it's five, 50 for two hours.
Speaker 2I was like that seems like a lot.
Speaker 1Oh, really I was like that's pretty reasonable.
Speaker 2Really.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Wow. I've been undercharging, because in my mind like 50 bucks for a blow job seems totally reasonable.
Speaker 1Right, but like 550 for two hours. How many times? How many people use?
Speaker 2the two hours though.
Speaker 1Well, it's probably a minimum. That's what you have to pay.
Speaker 2You pay 550, one way or another you get two hours. Yeah, I see.
Speaker 1And like, for that's why they usually start with like dinner or drinks or something. Talking, but also to that point probably, that 550 doesn't include dinner.
Speaker 2No, it's on your tab.
Speaker 1It's on your tab.
Speaker 2Yeah, you want to pay for everything, yeah.
Speaker 1So the price for just what it is, it's not bad.
Speaker 2I'm wondering I have in my notes did the woman get a price break for being filmed? And then later on, certainly in the first episode, I was like these women are professionals, they're pros, like my guess is Garen either owns a female escort business or has a buddy who does and was just like for the pilot. We just need talent. Yeah, and like the, I have my notes the one woman that Nick was with first who said that she was a teacher yeah, she was not a teacher.
Speaker 1She had.
Speaker 2So much work done Like bull lips tit job like so much fucking work.
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, okay. But if we think about the couple that rented, rented, Rented yeah, that got with Jimmy. Yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 2Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1I don't. I think. No, they probably were not talented. Yeah, I think they were just a couple. Yes, that man seemed way too into cucking.
Speaker 2I know Well, I remember distinctly the first time we watched it I was like man, that dude was so uncomfortable. And then, rewatching it now I was like, oh no, he loves this. Yeah, he loves it. He is about being cucked.
Speaker 1Yeah, he was like hell yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, I was like, oh, and then it's different. They're being like I've always wanted to do this and I'm like this is not your first rodeo.
Speaker 1No, of course not Like. This is definitely something that they've done. But yeah, I was like very much, you know, they're just seemed very much like oh, I forgot what I was saying. That's so good, okay.
Speaker 2Well, so Nick.
Speaker 1Also sorry, tessa the photographer, because you were saying in the first episode.
Speaker 2Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1So I agree with you like the first woman who had the blonde hair and the work done. She's probably a pro, but also like Tessa, the photographer wanted to take someone to the gala yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I think she was also just a normal person.
Speaker 2I think she could have been a pro as well.
Speaker 1You think so, I do, I genuinely do.
Speaker 2Tell me your thoughts On.
Speaker 1Tessa yeah.
Speaker 2The way that she was submissive and flirty, but still very confident. She also had a lot of work done.
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, but. I know, I know, but Having work done doesn't mean that you're a true no, no no, no, no, of course not, but it was very much.
Speaker 2I saw it, looked at her and I was like she would make money as like a mature.
Speaker 1Fair. Yeah, I mean, I can see that.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1When Stephen and Tessa were in the back of the limo. And she's she, Tessa is this photographer. She wants to interview all of the guys to sort of have an understanding of what they bring to the table and who she wants to bring to this gala with her.
Speaker 2Also, let's us get to know the guys and sort of their general vibe.
Speaker 1Yeah, it gives us a very good sense the dynamic, the dynamic when Stephen was in the car. Like I agree with her, Stephen was the only one who didn't talk about just himself. He actually engaged in a conversation. However, what I noticed as Stephen was talking is he talks like his wire has sorry, his jaw has been wired shut.
Speaker 2Well, so the funny. You should mention that my first episode notes I have. Stephen is giving me gay vibes. Oh my.
Speaker 1God, I wrote that too.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1I was like I wrote it for the second episode, but I said Stephen is giving big bisexual energy.
Speaker 2See, for me he's giving like gold star gay would never even touch a vagina, like was born by cesarean kind of, but he has touched a vagina?
Speaker 1Well, yes, obviously, but that was the energy. That makes no sense. No, I know.
Speaker 2But then I corrected myself because later on I was like, after he was talking about his ex, I was like Stephen is giving MRA energy. I was like he's giving in settle vibes, but I'm like he's a professional fucker.
Speaker 1So like yeah, I mean, I definitely think there is there's something there, because even originally, when Stephen came back on on on our screen, I put Stephen looks like he creeps on women like in his spare time.
Speaker 2So recap of the episode we meet Nick, nick, and then we meet Jimmy who cucks the man, and then we meet I think that was one that we meet the group at the gym. Yes, it is, and everyone is incredibly racist, except for race.
Speaker 1No, no, racist, racist too, not to Vinny.
Speaker 2Oh.
Speaker 1I think he, jimmy, makes that racist joke about how Vin is going to be running on ghetto time.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I was like. Excuse me and Nick being like he's your black ish and it's like dude.
Speaker 1I wrote down a written. He meets then like, comes in and he goes oh, so you're black. Yeah, imagine being a black man walking. I mean, this is probably that's his life, yeah he's like yeah, cool, it's for white guys Awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2But brace vocally says you guys are being racist.
Speaker 1Oh, I didn't, I didn't yeah.
Speaker 2And this was like previously, when they're at the bar and hitting on. He's like she looks like she's got a little Asian in her.
Speaker 1Yeah, I know, that's why I was like wait brace wasn't, no, but he was.
Speaker 2And, like for episode one, I had braces, my jiggle over the week for being an ally.
Speaker 1Oh, wow.
Speaker 2I know.
Speaker 1Okay, I had Vin for putting up with that bullshit.
Speaker 2That's so fair. That brace line wisdom was wow, you guys are racist.
Speaker 1That's nice. I didn't have a brace wisdom, but I did have written down which is kind of braced as Brace adjacent, if you will yeah, jimmy's recessionista. I was like, ah, yes, yes.
Speaker 2So I learned that in wired or that in wired magazine.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2He reads wired magazine.
Speaker 1He's not just a large cock, he's brains too.
Speaker 2One thing that I noticed while they were all at the they were all in the SUV driving to the bar before the, before we meet the lady Tessa. So who was it that said? Jimmy said Dino has four inches so he can fuck her twice, and I have in my notes who the fuck is Dino. Oh, I think one of their names is Dino and he's slipped. That you know let's not doc sex workers, but like I was like did you not use their stage name, nick?
Speaker 1Did you not use the code word?
Speaker 2Oh, my God.
Speaker 1I think it's funny because when we started I was like, oh you know, we wanted to watch this show about like dancers, male dancers and then Nick saying I was just tripper first. Yeah, I'm like I knew. She also said he was in the.
Speaker 2Air Force, yeah. So I was like wait, okay, so you're in the Air Force and had to pay for college, don't? Isn't that why you joined the Air Force? Is Nick, a case of stolen baller? Maybe, oh, I have one other thing that for episode one, besides Nick's tattoo being described as a bowl of spaghetti that was dumped on the floor, I mean, where's the lie?
Speaker 2Yeah where's the lie? But I have I forgot how sex negative 2011 was, Like the fact that they were like it's just a job, guys, and like they were. It felt like they were ashamed and had to justify what they were doing.
Speaker 1Yeah, what I found interesting and I wrote this in my notes is that every woman that they interviewed during the first episode always talked about how, how they felt empowered to hire an escort. Yeah, and also how it was about them taking back this sort of like control, this dominance from men, which I was like get it.
Speaker 2Yeah, I love that. They're like men do it all the time. They go down, pay 25 bucks for a blow job and then go back to their family. I think I can do that too. It's like fuck, yeah, you can.
Speaker 1Yeah, you got the money. Go, do what you want.
Speaker 2Yeah, spend your 550 for two hours yeah.
Speaker 1I don't know if I'd like spend it on Brace, but like Brace is like a 10 cent Bargut Bend DVD If you had to select one of them, who would it?
Speaker 2be Vin, it would be Obviously Vin oh okay. Oh, my God Vin.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean Vin or Jimmy for me.
Speaker 2Yeah, jimmy, like before we started the episode and we realized, oh my God, jimmy is a fuckboy and racist. Probably Jimmy.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean with Jimmy, I think he he gets the assignment and what I mean by that is that like even when he was talking about in the second. We can probably talk about the second episode now, but there is something I want to say yeah. In the second episode, when he is he. Oh God.
Speaker 2Was it? Was it when Jimmy was talking about?
Speaker 1Oh, okay, I got it, came back. Sorry. You're going to have a fun time editing this.
Speaker 2It's going to be hilarious.
Speaker 1When Jimmy is talking about the plus size woman, that is, he doesn't shame her, he doesn't talk of it Like he's just being honest and where's the rest? Of you took it another way.
Speaker 2I mean Jimmy said yeah, she's a rather large lady, she's definitely over 200 pounds and I mean, I think that's not being fat phobic. It's not being fat phobic, I think that's being honest, it's being unaware of proportions of people.
Speaker 1Right, I mean, she was a plus size.
Speaker 2Yes, 100%.
Speaker 1Yeah, but like again, I'm not as someone who identifies as plus size like I think he's stating like this is the woman that she is. The rest of them have an issue.
Speaker 2Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1They are making it weird.
Speaker 2They are making it weird.
Speaker 1He's just bringing to the table like this is who this person is. Yes, it's just like you know if somebody was in a wheelchair I'm not saying fatness and being in a wheelchair is a one to one Right. But some people might be like oh, that's like.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel you, I think it's weird?
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't think it's weird, of course not, but like do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 22011 was a different time.
Speaker 1Right. So I think what I took away was that Jimmy kind of like understood the assignment in the sense that, like he really was, just like, this is a job.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1I come here to fulfill and he talked about this when he was fucking that couple too. He's like I come here to fill in the gaps of what their fantasy is, and that is what it is.
Speaker 2Even in the second episode, which I promise we will talk about. Jimmy, you're not Jimmy. Yeah, jimmy, yeah Was like I think that people waste so much time and energy worrying about things like acceptability and shame and I was like yeah, dude, okay yeah. So I do think, I think Jimmy is.
Speaker 1Can I say complicated.
Speaker 2No more in tune with the intricacies of sex and peoples, but is very, very. He's still. Jimmy doesn't have any black friends.
Speaker 1I was going to say Jimmy's a white man.
Speaker 2Yeah, emphatically.
Speaker 1The last thing I wanted to leave with episode one was you and I said this to each other as we were watching it. So Tessa makes a comment to Steven while they're in the back of the limo about how she loves his teeth. And then I said teeth for teeth.
Speaker 2Yeah, teeth for teeth.
Speaker 1And she said teeth for teeth.
Speaker 2That's what that means right yeah, teeth for teeth, so all my dating profiles yeah.
Speaker 1Whenever I see teeth for teeth, I'm like, oh yeah, oh good teeth, amazing Good teeth.
Speaker 2I love a teeth that's. You're not a chaser, you're just teeth for teeth.
Speaker 1Yeah, well, actually I think it's the next episode. Okay, let's get into episode two. Yeah, we're going to get into it.
Speaker 2Yes, Okay, so I have episode two. Oh, I put that too.
Speaker 1We're at the fat episode. So we and before we continue, the fact that Steven is the one that goes to. He's like I will take this job because he wants to send his boy to camp.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Awkward Encounter With an Escort
Speaker 1Like Sure bro, I'm going to fuck this fat lady so I can send my boy to camp.
Speaker 2So the honorable the episode begins with the five of them at a bar and Steven is talking about how he's having money troubles because he's a father and his boy wants to go to camp. Yeah, or rather, his ex wants to send him to a really posh camp, I believe were his words.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2So Jimmy is says I've got a friend who's coming into town and she's a lovely lady and she wants someone to fuck her. But she is a rather large lady, yeah, and then everybody makes it really weird.
Speaker 1Yeah, and then she's really weird. I think again, we just talked about this, but I think at that moment, like Jimmy wasn't being like shitty, he was just like these are the facts.
Speaker 2Yeah, this is who she is. This is hey, just so you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, Wasn't throwing them to the wolves. No, and I think too, probably having not hired an escort myself, but I would assume that you have to provide some photos or details about yourself before you're booking. So if Jimmy has been with her before, he probably is like yeah, like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2These are the things you need to know about her.
Speaker 1Yeah, Again, going back to who gets to this. But some people have preferences and some people don't want to do certain things and some people Well, also, not to mention.
Speaker 2we'll get to this too, but it was very clear that Valerie was insecure about her size and it was like she was nervous about it.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I think her nervous energy. I think Steven already has nervous energy. I he oh my God, I don't know what his what.
Speaker 2I don't know what his deal is. Yeah.
Speaker 1I don't know what his deal is, but like her energy was feeding into his energy and it made this like real fucking awkward. Yeah, it was like first time vibes.
Speaker 2Yeah, it was like I've never had sex before.
Speaker 1Yeah, so cut to the massage therapist, Sage Sage the massage therapist the one who I have my notes.
Speaker 2I believe she is genuinely a massage therapist.
Speaker 1Yeah, I put she's wearing a chaser tank top.
Speaker 2I know it said chaser and I'm like surely this means something different than what I think it means yeah.
Speaker 1All I could think was we got to laugh out of that yeah.
Speaker 2Cause I'm sure it's a bar in Vegas or something Maybe 2011 was a wild time. 2011 was a wild time.
Speaker 1I liked to that, like in this episode, cause I think the first two were basically about Steven. So he says yeah, more or less. He likes to create intimacy with the women that he's with. So you know.
Speaker 2If that's what he thinks, intimacy means being nervous. Being nervous and making the same like face to literally everyone.
Speaker 1Well, I mean, you know, his jaw is wire chest. He did mention in the episode one that he was a Scorpio multiple times. Oh my God, which is why I was like this man is not straight.
Speaker 2Well he when? Well, in episode two Valerie is also a Scorpio and he's like amazing and shakes her hand.
Speaker 1And I'm like wow, make this. Lovely to meet you Wow. Hello Nice to meet you, fellow child slash Scorpio.
Speaker 2Okay, so I have my notes also. Steven looks like he does not want to be doing this. Yeah, underline yeah.
Speaker 1Exploitation. Point I, when they were going to see the psychic embrace, calling his ex-wife a bitch.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Was everything that I needed to know about Grace.
Speaker 2Yeah, I'm like, oh wow, that's giving big jokes on a carol basket and that fucking bitch Fucking bitch. I'm. I bet she he would have voted for her. They're probably drinking buddies.
Speaker 1Oh, I thought you were going to say he probably voted for trauma.
Speaker 2Of course he did 100%.
Speaker 1Do we have any like? Is there any doubt?
Speaker 2No, so I have about that psychic place. It looks like they're going to get murdered there, because the exterior was like real scary.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2I really pissed me off that she had the entire deck flipped over. I'm like what kind of fucking spread are you doing? You have no lie. At least 30 cards flipped over. Yeah, I'm like I have never seen a spread like that in my entire life.
Speaker 1She's probably an actor, probably yeah, like yeah.
Speaker 2I have a tarot deck. Do you know how to use it? I have one. I can figure it out. I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1They just turn things over, right I'm going to watch a YouTube video and make some shit up.
Speaker 2Grace having psychic energy apparently.
Speaker 1Right, and then when he starts crying and I was like I cannot, I have that in mind, though, grace crying with the psychic, wow, you get me. I put Grace crying. Wow, this feels like an act. Oh my God it was. I was just like sir, this is a Wendy's, why are you crying?
Speaker 2I have no notes about Steven's interaction with Valerie, besides that she was hiring him and she's engaged.
Speaker 1Yeah, and he did say something about how he prefers someone to have morals, and that was weird. It's very judgey I'm like bro girl, you are an escort.
Speaker 2This is like. This is the job. Yeah, like what? If you have complicated feelings about sleeping with people who may or may not be in a relationship, you will need to re-about it. Yeah, I've trained baristas who have been like this is fun. I just hate customer service and it's like that's the job though.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's like oh, you're going to have a terrible time.
Speaker 2This isn't for you. Yeah, yeah, it's 90% customer service 100%.
Speaker 1So it was like okay, that was my only note, I think. Besides him being nervous, I think he was as respectful as he could be, even though in his voiceover, in his confessionals, throughout the episode, he kept saying he was not attracted to her. And I'm like once again, you don't have to be attracted to any of the people who hire you.
Speaker 2You are literally a You're a trans-action girl, yeah you were literally there to fuck. Yeah, it's like I'm looking for an emotional connection when I don't find them attractive. It's like you should probably be looking for an emotional attractive in all of your client. Yeah, I thought Valerie was a babe.
Speaker 1Yeah, so I was like this is so fucking weird, yeah also like when I saw her naked body, I was like, oh, this reminds me of my body.
Speaker 2Which explains why I was like wow, yeah.
Speaker 1But going back to them being like she's fat, she's this, I'm like. I mean, she looks like a normal plus size person.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, that's kind of what I was meaning when I was like them being like she's definitely over 200 pounds. I'm like girl, I'm almost 300 pounds. It's like guys, what the fuck are you talking?
Speaker 1Anyways, it's people who have never People who have never seen black people or fat people, more fat people.
Speaker 2Yes, absolutely, it's giving that.
Speaker 1They're like where whites it's giving.
Speaker 2They need to be 104 pounds to be taken up on the mother ship by Robin Williams. So the guys are. I have in my notes Vin is the chalice.
Speaker 1Vin is like Vin's a bro, Vin's a bro, Like he's the bro, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2So they're back at a bar and Steven's not there and they're like, look, steven's really hurting for cash and he's not doing good. And they cut to Steven and he's like they're shopping, that's where they are?
Speaker 1Yeah, because Steven just like-.
Speaker 2Bounces.
Speaker 1Just bounces and then they show him at like a paraphrase or something.
Speaker 2And he's just like crying, my crazy ex wants more money on top of the camp money.
Speaker 1Yeah, on top of the child support I already paid. Yeah, I don't know if he was reading an actual magazine, but the magazine he was reading was blurred out. Yeah, and I was like is he reading porn?
Speaker 2Well, so what it's? It looked like a zine to me and I'm like, oh my God, is he reading right wing propaganda? So, but I think it was Nick's idea. Nick was like we have a client who wants to have a foursome. I think we should do it and give Steven the money. And I was like, holy shit, that is such a like. And thinking of it I'm like I mean, it's probably two to four, it's probably she probably paid for three to four hours. Yeah.
Speaker 1Because they said, she said, or sorry, garrett said in the Garin, oh my God said in the first episode that for a weekend it's $5,000.
Speaker 2Yes, yeah, so so something like that yeah. And I was like I'm gonna get up a fray. I was divorced and have a quote that says I want to have men all over me and then additional notes things River has never said.
Speaker 1I mean her mentioning that, like she got divorced, her her you know relationship was very sexless and that you know, every time she watched porn she would always be really into gangbanging. Yeah, and I'm like that is that is like all of us 100%. I mean we all watch porn like that 100%. So I mean, freya, get it, get it.
Speaker 2I have in my notes. Why isn't Stephen there? These guys are bros, but I realized that they're doing this for him.
Speaker 1Yeah, they're doing it for him, and I think in the confessionals Stephen is crying and, unlike Brace, I was like I feel his pain.
Speaker 2Yeah, he's a weirdo, but I feel his pain. He's like I don't want to be doing this, but I need to provide for, like, my kids. Yeah.
Speaker 1And I was like, oh okay, yeah, and it made me think about, you know, I don't. He never talked about wanting to get like custody of his kid or anything like that. He did speak about how, when he was younger, he was I'm Roxie Andrew. Yeah, you know, roxie Andrew.
Speaker 2Do you want to explain what that is? His parents, apparently for the sake of his brothers and sisters brother and sister they gave him to the government for to be fostered. Yeah, and I was like Jesus Christ that's so.
Speaker 1I mean it kind of adds a little more. You can understand why he's being so Like. He has these big feelings about his kid. He's like I don't want my kid to end up like that he's like get it, whereas, like you know, compare it to Brace crying. I'm like this is an act. But, Stephen, I was like this is real. I felt that pain.
Speaker 2And I felt that Also have in my notes hashtag practicing sensuality. I don't remember who said that, but I remember liking it. So yeah, brace freaks out.
Speaker 1Yeah. But before we get to the Brace freak out. They kept showing Freya's dog pawing at the door.
Speaker 2Yes, dogs go outside for the force of. I have that in my notes.
Speaker 1Yeah, and then I put that dog is saying what we are all thinking Don't do it, Freya, Don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 2Three quarters of this is a good idea.
Speaker 1Yeah, so Brace freaks out.
Speaker 2Brace freaks out. He is not undressed at all, he's wearing jeans. He's wearing his dog jeans.
Speaker 1Yeah, I put.
Payment, Disappointment, and Personal Boundaries
Speaker 2Brace cock block. It's like that scene in Bros where the guy, the over eager guy, shows up to the threesome and they're like not feeling it. But it's reversed and Brace is that guy.
Speaker 1Yes, and I mean, let's be honest, if you were paying for that, if you're paying $1,000 per person for this fantasy, I would be fucking pissed.
Speaker 2Yeah, I would be like no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You all got to get the fuck out and get your shit together. Yeah, because I wanted four people. You're giving me three people and one person who's ruining the fucking vibe. Yeah, I'm going to kiss him and he says cock breath.
Speaker 1Yeah and then goes into the shower goes into the shower and rinses out his mouth. Yeah, and continues to like scream from there, being like I hate this blah, blah, blah and I wrote the fall and this is my brace, brace ology of the week. Yep, I'm bracing, I don't have to do shit, I love that that is. That is perfect yeah and but Him saying that imagine, if you're no brace, I'm paying you to do you do have you, sorry, you don't have to do shit, absolutely.
Speaker 2Yeah, you're in violation of contract, though, so I Think you owe me money.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think you're gonna have to go outside, yeah, but I thought and you probably have this too, vin is that is a bro, it is a bro, like Vin can continues to be like, oh, oh.
Speaker 2Vin's trying to make this as pleasant an experience or phrase possible. Yes before we move on from brace, I have. I feel like I'm on the fucking set of a porno, which is what brace said. Yeah, and I have in my notes feels weird for a full-service sex worker to be anti-porn. Right like girl. It's kind of the same business right, I mean you can't.
Speaker 1It's not apples and oranges.
Speaker 2No, you like, you're both getting fucked for money yeah and like do you have more, like take on more risk and it's potentially more dangerous? 100%. Yeah and there is a conversation to be happy between like seven, like porn and full-service yeah, but I Don't think that braces the right person that he happened.
Speaker 1No, I don't think so either, and the fact that, like he can't see, that is Okay so then Grills brace.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's just like, dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah, like if you weren't into this you shouldn't have come.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think Vin says everything that the audience so it's thinking and I'm like then was my, my you?
Speaker 2know, you know my too yeah absolutely. I think it's gonna be Vin for every week. I.
Speaker 1Lost something crazy happens.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1Yeah, but yeah, I was just like thank you, vin. You are a man of the people and we respect the so we cut back to Steven.
Speaker 2I have angst with Steven, whereas Steven then tells us about his Roxy Antwerp situation. Yeah, and I have bromides therapy bad.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's an understatement, but men getting therapy anything but therapy.
Speaker 2Yeah no, so they come back and they tell Steve, steven what they've done and they cut to Nick, being like we're a family, we all work together if somebody's struggling. And I have my notes, except brace.
Speaker 1There's always one in every day, yeah.
Speaker 2I also have three thousand dollars for a threesome is nuts.
Speaker 1Yes, yeah, yeah like what? Yeah Well, I wonder if so I wonder if it was 550 for the two hours per person for sure and then which would have been. She gave them a tip.
Speaker 2Well, here's the thing that she it was originally four thousand dollars, but she was like I'm not giving you money for brace because you kind of ruined it.
Speaker 1Yeah, so Makes sense, which makes sense.
Speaker 2Yeah, so ends the episode, with Steven at a backer at table.
Speaker 1Yeah, I thought they don't. They don't gamble.
Speaker 2No, no, no, Jimmy doesn't gamble right, yes. I have my notes. Why is Steven gambling if he needs money? Oh, you know, but yes, I think, love the week which, for the two episodes especially been hundred percent, percent percent. My bracelet and quote is I respect Steven. Everything he does is for his boy.
Speaker 1I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm sticking with, I'm bracing, I don't got to do shit.
Speaker 2I honestly think those are words to live by. We should all be going into 2024. We should all be brace.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I don't have shit yeah that is the vibe that is the vibe for 20 say yes to four sums.
Speaker 2Say no to doing shit you don't want to do. Yeah, brace was on that vibe before we were, except he said yes to four some and then said that yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1I'm excited. I am too.
Speaker 2We're like a quarter of the way through and it's like I feel like shit's gonna get wild, cuz I don't remember anything after this point.
Speaker 1I don't either, but yes, I agree, I think, I think this is gonna be good.
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