High Low Brow
We’re carving out space in the airwaves for deep dives and thoughtful convos about our beloved pop culture that is often overlooked, laughed at, trashed, and brushed aside. Join us (and some of our internet pals!) for hot, juicy, maybe controversh opinions and a few rounds of games inspired by the stuff you watched when you were home sick with an anxiety-induced stomachache in your formative years.
High Low Brow
TIFF Festival Highlights Part 1: The Last Showgirl & Piece by Piece
In this week's episode, we discuss some of the most outlandish comments from the latest U.S. presidential debate that have taken the internet by storm. We explore the severe implications of Trump's statements, and Amanda chats about her latest binge-watch, "The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives," a show that has her (and everyone) asking: "What's going to happen to #MomTok?!?".
However, we're focusing this episode on our experiences at the Toronto International Film Festival, where the magic of cinema and the buzz of red carpets filled our days. In part one of this two-part series, we review the first two films we had the pleasure of seeing.
First, we discuss Gia Coppola’s captivating The Last Showgirl, a powerful story that explores the glittering highs and hidden struggles of a once-celebrated starlet, Shelley, played by the incredible Pamela Anderson. Then, we take on the whimsical and innovative Piece by Piece, Morgan Neville’s biopic of Pharrell Williams, crafted entirely in Lego. From groundbreaking visuals to unexpected storytelling, these films kicked off our TIFF adventure with a bang!
Don't forget to tune in next week for more of our TIFF adventures. We'll be reviewing Dead Mail and The Substance. Thanks again for tuning in!
Welcome to High Low Brow, the show with highbrow takes on lowbrow culture. I'm your one host, Amanda Scriver.
Speaker 2:And I'm trying to commit international crimes to get one of those prison transgender surgeries, River Gilbert.
Speaker 1:Not the illegal alien.
Speaker 2:I feel like this presidential debate was probably the most memeable that we've had, like the previous one where they were talking about golf swings Funny in a very upsetting kind of way, but this one was just funny.
Speaker 1:I remember you were like I don't want to watch it and I was like I feel like we should watch it because we need to be informed.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And for no other reason. Like we live in Canada, we should just know what is happening.
Speaker 2:Considering we're attached to them. Yeah, and that is it Like, not because I think Kamala is also problematic in different ways, of course, but one of these people is going to bring about the end of the world.
Speaker 1:Right and the other one is fine so I was like we should just you know, we should be informed yeah, yeah about who this person is and what they're, what their speaking points are for sure.
Speaker 2:I was like I don't know if I have it in me to just watch this and I was like let's just watch 30 minutes and then we watched the entire. Thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, was it two hours?
Speaker 2:It was two hours.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which we were not expecting.
Speaker 2:No, I mean yeah, but no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you are right, it was very memeable. I think the first thing that I was like, wait, did that actually just get said? Was about Trump being like they're eating the cats.
Speaker 2:They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs.
Speaker 1:They're eating the dogs. They're eating the pets, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was like sorry, pardon what. It's just so funny because that was something that got spread around on Truth Social and he's talking about it, like everybody knows this.
Speaker 1:It's like Also, it's just a racist dog whistle.
Speaker 2:It's not even a dog whistle.
Speaker 1:It's just a fucking foghorn. Yeah, yeah, yes, it's just racist. It's just racist period. But like there were just so many things, I think you sent me a tiktok. Where does trump actually know the difference between asylum?
Speaker 2:an insane asylum and a political asylum? Yeah an answer definitely not no he references directly mental institutions coming over to america and it's like that's not what asylum means in this context? No so oh, it's wild, it is wild, it's wild yeah but, amma, what's gonna make your brain go birth this week?
Speaker 1:well, it's funny because it actually does have to do with Trump.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I think I know what it is. What is it so in the last? 24 hours, the entire news cycle has just been about Laura Loomer being a part of the Trump campaign and how I guess, apparently allegedly, Laura Loomer and Trump are sleeping together and how there are just so many like how she's part of his campaign and he brought her to the 9-11 memorial service and how like the 9-11 denier at the 9-11 memorial service.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like Republicans and Democrats are pissed off and I have to be honest with you, I have not been a follower of Laura Loomer, for you know obvious reasons. She's not my person by any means. But I woke up at 430 in the morning and was like I just need to have an understanding of what is happening with this situation and, wow, I was riveted.
Speaker 1:We've got a Vanderpump shaped hole in our heart and unfortunately it's being filled by american politics yeah, I hate that that is happening it's, it is not good um, I mean to be fair, I did watch a whole week. There were eight episodes of the secret lives of mormon wives oh yeah I did watch all eight episodes in less than a week. Whitney is the fucking worst. The, the devil.
Speaker 2:She's the one who's cheating on everybody, right?
Speaker 1:No, she's not cheating. She's just like she. She wants to be the ruler of mom talk. I see but Taylor, who was the one who was swinging with all the others.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's what you're thinking of. She also is like I'm the ruler of mom talk and like when you start watching the series, you're like, oh, clearly it's Taylor that's supposed to be the devil incarnate answer it's not Taylor, it's Whitney. Whitney is just the fucking worst and, if you like, it's so funny because this week I've had to unfollow some of the like bravo bloggers and podcasters that I followed because, one, they were being trump apologists and two, they were also being like whitney's totally fine, and I was like you people. Anyways, I am now just going on a tangent because I like I just brought up Laura Loomer and Whitney from please, please, what is your making your brain go burr before I?
Speaker 2:before. Before this is the episode. Yeah what's making my brain go burr is it's like grime, like the the UK. Yeah, but specifically tonks, uh, which is a song, uh, featuring dwe okay, uh, and two guys that I just got turned on by this song songer and nerve okay, I need to remember this guy's name, but he I follow him on tiktok and he's just like reviews music and that's how I found out about Hanamonkind and this is how I found out about yes, I've seen his stuff yeah, and you want to look up his name.
Speaker 2:I guess, so that would be polite. Yeah, it's yujin on TikTok and he just reviews songs that people submit and I think he's also a producer yeah, I know that you've sent me some of his videos and I.
Speaker 1:what I really love and appreciate is that a he's really open to like all kinds of videos, all kinds of music, and he just kind of wants to discover new things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he also is very technically knowledgeable, like he also has a bunch of those videos where he breaks down the rhyme schemes. One of my favorite ones was about Andre 3000 being like hey, if your favorite rapper is Andre 3000, this is probably why and he just breaks down not only like the flow but also the rhymes. Yeah, so great, great TikToker, specifically, has turned me on to so much music, most recently Grime.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You should check out Tonks.
Speaker 1:It's really good and has been on repeat for like the past week it's so funny because I used to listen to grime in my rave days yeah, I mean, is man's not hot technically grime, it feels grime adjacent, it's grime adjacent. Yeah, I would say so it's funny because I was listening to a boiler room this week while I was trying to do some.
Speaker 2:Horse.
Speaker 1:Girl. I did listen to the Horse Girl set, yeah, but I was listening to Alice Gass who opened up for the 100 Gecs. Oh yeah, I love Alice Gass. Yeah, and I guess Alice Gass does. Happy Hardcore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:And I was just like this is so weird because that's what I listened to when I used to rave. Yeah. I, oh god, I think I've got two of her songs on my and I think Alice Gass is also trans she is yeah yeah, so I was just like this is I like I love that I'm having this, uh, full circle moment of I'm an adult, now I'm'm an adult and listening to Happy Hardcore again. Love that for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Ferrari is on my liked playlist. Music we're turning into music podcast.
Speaker 1:I guess I guess.
Speaker 2:Hey, we should talk about the films that we saw this week, because it's TIFF.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so TIFF is actually. If you're in Toronto and by the time this comes out, tiff will be coming to a close, yeah, but for us, we've been going to TIFF for the last week. Yeah, and TIFF is a great festival. I have been covering it for years, but when I originally started covering it as a journalist, I never really went and saw like a lot of the films. I would cover the party circuit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was gonna say it was very much the culture around TIFF. So we'd see, we'd see a lot of famous people, but we would like not be watching films.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we get a lot of gift bags.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, the gifting lounges were so exhausting yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyways, but now we are going to see the things that we're doing the actual thing. That tiff is yeah and I'm not gonna lie, I actually enjoy it a lot more oh my god, absolutely.
Speaker 2:You don't have to talk to insufferable people, it's true. You just get to sit there in the dark watching things that may or may not be good, yeah.
Speaker 1:So to give you, the listeners, some context, we are gonna split up our Tiff experience into two episodes, because we went and saw four films total we tried to go to see nine it didn't, it didn't work out that way the.
Speaker 2:The fucking ticketing system is not good and we didn't have a press pass.
Speaker 1:We paid for, for everything.
Speaker 2:Hey, tiff, do you want to give us a press pass next year? Yeah, shout out.
Speaker 1:Shout out Tiff. So rather than try and shove this all into one episode, we're going to split it into two.
Speaker 2:We want things to breathe a little bit Because, honestly, the films that we've seen have all been fantastic. So, yeah, we're going gonna go in chronological order, I guess. Yep, first one we saw was the last showgirl. Yes, and that was directed by it was directed by gia coppola and written by kate griskin.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I seem to remember because when we went to the film, the cast, the director, the writer, they were all doing a discussion. Afterwards, kate Gersten had mentioned that she's a writer-journalist who was actually covering. There was a specific showgirls.
Speaker 2:Jubilee, I believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Jubilee, their last sort of season, their performance.
Speaker 2:The final Tits and Feathers show in Las Vegas?
Speaker 1:Yes, so that is what this film is loosely based off of.
Speaker 2:Also shout out to Kate Gersten, who is also writer on the Good Place. Oh, I had no idea. I didn't either, which is fantastic, that is fantastic. But the cast list you sent me all the movies you were interested in. I was like I want to see this one. This was like one of the tops, because it stars pamela anderson, uh, jamie lee curtis, yeah, and dave batista yes, and kierna shipka, who was in mad men. She was also in sabrina brenda, who I know is a voice actor.
Speaker 1:It's a stacked cast.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, what's his face? Had a Jason Schwartzman.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think he's also a producer on the film.
Speaker 2:Wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, he does a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I mean, the cast list is stacked, yeah, and it is an independent film film. One of the things that we got to learn when they were doing the cast discussion afterwards is they filmed this in 18 days 18 days.
Speaker 2:What I will say is when you're watching this, eventually, when it does come out, it doesn't feel like they filmed it in 18 no, it is a we should talk about like we won't talk about the plot too much besides, like it's pamela anderson trying to character, trying to reconnect with her daughter who she's basically abandoned to pursue this show?
Speaker 1:yeah, and I think shelly, who is pamela anderson's character. She has been a las vegas showgirl for 30, yeah.
Speaker 2:So she's like 52 in the film. Yeah, I think that's sort of the age so when she finds out that the film is closing, she's like this is it? I guess I'm done.
Speaker 1:You mean the show?
Speaker 2:Film show. You know what is a show, but a film in real life, yes in real life.
Speaker 1:Yes, so, and it's what we find out also is that this is the longest running vegas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, show like it is very much the jubilee and what's it called in this one? Oh razzle, dazzle razzle dazzle.
Speaker 1:That's it. We also find out that shelly, in her 30 year legacy career with the razzle dazz, she's thought about leaving several times. She thought about maybe going to Broadway, she thought about going elsewhere, but she was like there was just something here, there was a magic there was a.
Speaker 2:There was something special about it, Like she talked about interview or doing the.
Speaker 1:Rockettes getting into the Rockettes yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And she was just like there's something special about this over the Rockettes and the kicking is stupid.
Speaker 1:We are introduced through the storyline to Eddie, who is Dave Bautista.
Speaker 2:We have to talk about his performance.
Speaker 1:And Eddie is the stage manager of the Razzle Dazzle. I feel like Dave Bautista in every role that we've ever been introduced to him, he's always played someone who's sort of like action strong tough.
Speaker 2:Well, he's a big guy. And that was, he was typecast as, like he was great in Guardians, he was great in Glass Onion.
Speaker 2:And I feel like Glass Onion was sort of his most nuanced character, which is saying something, because he was just fucking Joe Rogan, yeah. But apparently he went to his agent nine years ago and said I need to do more serious roles. I know I'm typecast and I'm really thankful to be working, but I want to do something meaningful and I'm really thankful to be working. But like I want to do something meaningful and this is Dave Bautista like you've never seen him before, like he stand out to me in the entire film, like he small role it felt like, but he did so well, yeah, like the range, the emotions, like it was powerful, emotional, like I'm tearing up, just thinking about it like he yeah very broken man yeah
Speaker 1:fantastic and also when you say broken man, it's like similar to jamie lee curtis's character who we will get to. It's kind of like you know this man yes, you have met this man before you have seen him, and I think that's kind of what I loved about this entire story was the film really was about people who have been broken down all throughout their life and have not been given a second chance yeah or who have not been given a chance period yeah, and like, like you said, we all know the, the eddie character.
Speaker 2:He is the person who's very competent at their job but also very quiet and doesn't really want to do anything besides their job yeah like I work with an eddie yeah, now we have to talk about jamie lee yeah, who?
Speaker 1:who? Jamie Lee is Annette in the film. And she plays Shelley's best friend.
Speaker 2:Who is a cocktail waitress at? Is it the MGM? It's one of the casinos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's one of the casinos she formerly was in the Razzle Dazzle. Yes yeah, jamie Lee plays this character so well. She has like the hair that is like dyed red but like it looks blown out hair yeah, that is just like so frizzy and terrible she has like wrinkly skin she has like it's.
Speaker 2:It's like she when she was speaking about the role she's like everybody knows of shelly the, the alcoholic who is just holding on for dear life. She's a gambling addict in the film. Yeah, she's a very strong character but in like a very vulnerable way yeah, like you want to reach out and like you don't have to put on this brave face yeah, like you want to help her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we should talk about shelly's kid too yeah because that's like the driving force throughout this entire thing where she's trying to reconnect because she's like I'm not gonna have anything after the razzle dazzle, so I have to find something to hang my hat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so eddie tells the cast of the razzle dazzle that they're gonna be ending. And is it a week? Yeah, a week, or two, two it might be two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's two weeks notice, because I remember leaning to and being like they're giving them notice in lieu of pay. That's fucking bullshit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they give them two weeks notice and I guess you know Shelly is kind of like oh, guess I should reach out to this kid that.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 1:Oops, yeah, yeah. So she reaches out to her daughter, who we find out that they don't really have a relationship with one another. And it just so happens that this daughter is in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why is she in Las Vegas? Because she's at school.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't really say. They say that she is visiting. But, like I kind of got that there may have been more to that. Yeah, I think and it didn't really get into that. Yeah, so the the, the child storyline is a little it's less important why?
Speaker 2:yeah, as the relationship is. Yeah, as somebody who has a very complicated relationship with their parents, how did you feel about the portrayal of that?
Speaker 1:I thought it was. I could see the tension on both sides. I could see like Shelly was trying to apologize in the way that she felt was best and I could see her daughter saying like this is not good enough because it doesn't equate for everything that happened.
Speaker 2:so I felt like I felt that yeah, I felt like it felt real to me not to get into too many details, but I was like this feels like your relationship with your father yeah, and it felt really sad yeah because you know I could tell on Shelly's side like she wanted it, but you can't force it.
Speaker 1:It's like you kind of.
Speaker 2:It kind of has to come from both sides yeah, for sure, as far as I'm gonna say spoilers now, because we're gonna talk briefly about the ending. So fast forward a little bit. At the ending did you see shelly as an unreliable narrator where, like, she saw her daughter in the audience and backstage and she saw her sitting with eddie at the very finale and they were all crying together and it was like it was a sad but like good ending to the the show. Or did you see that as literally happening?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think that's what she wished would have happened not what actually happened same I at the throughout the entire film.
Speaker 2:I'm like this character feels so familiar. And did you have you seen Streetcar? No, I haven't. So she, she is like a Blanche DuBois character. She is, like I always rely on the kindness of strangers like very delusional, unreliable, but also incredibly tragic and like that was I, was.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh my god, she's Blanche yeah and like Blanche, is like one of my favorite characters in all of like cinema slash play yeah, I mean it's interesting because so there's been some reviews that I've seen that have come out that have said, like the film is like you know, pamela, jamie Lee, dave, like their performances was great, but the story wasn't strong and like honestly, I like I can see that I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we did talk about that once we left, where, like the, the story didn't all like, didn't fully tie everything together. There were some things that felt a little loose. And I think that when people are going in to watch it, they may, they may see, like they may feel that, but going in and seeing like all of those performances are great, like I'm not mad that we went and watched it, I walked out and I was like I'm so happy.
Speaker 2:Oh, I was like crying, like it was like and I understand the critique of being like oh, the plot was a little weak, but also it was more of a character study than it was a because like what is there to tell? Besides, the showgirls are done, yeah. And like what happens next? And like they don't answer that question, they just say what does their life look like in this very particular instance?
Speaker 1:yeah, so it might not be for every person, and I think one of the other things that we talked about when we left is like I really loved and appreciated that. It sort of told the story of like we look at people when they're of a certain age, when they are going through a period of time in their life when they're so like down and out, and we see them as disposable absolutely and we sort of like don't, we don't try and help them out.
Speaker 2:I was like I remember somebody, the the person facilitating the Q&A afterwards asked Pamela Anderson like how did you prepare for this role? And she was like I was preparing for it my entire life and I'm like nobody could have played shelly no as well as pamela anderson yeah, I am like 100.
Speaker 1:That was pamela anderson, 100 I think the other. I'm so happy that we got to see it when we saw it, because the cast saw it for the first time the same time that we saw it and they were all sobbing they were all crying, like they were all wearing glasses and they all took them off just to be like, like they're, like, I have sunglasses because I'm literally crying right now yeah, which I think was so beautiful yeah, watching jamie lee cry on stage yeah, and they were just like I don you understand, like we didn't know what this was going to be like.
Speaker 1:We didn't know how it was going to come together. So if you can go into it with that sort of impression as well, it will sort of bring you a little more.
Speaker 2:I think, after the fact we said I don't think it's going to win any awards, Well, rather, it'll win awards. It won't win like it'll win awards. It won't win like Oscars. Yeah, I genuinely think Dave Bautista will start getting more serious roles from this. Agreed Like he, like that, showed his full range. Yeah, except he was not at all funny.
Speaker 1:I don't think it was supposed to be a funny role.
Speaker 2:I know no, but like I was just like oh, you played the polar opposite of everything you've ever been cast as yeah.
Speaker 1:Should we talk about the second film?
Speaker 2:we see Piece by piece. Yeah, we absolutely should, yeah.
Speaker 1:So do you want to kick it off?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Anna was like, let's watch, do you want to kick it off? Yeah. So Anna was like, let's watch, do you want us to go see this one? And I was like, what's it about? And she's like it's Pharrell's biopic. And I'm like, oh okay, yeah, I like Pharrell, I like his early stuff in the Neptunes. And then you sent me the trailer and it's all in Lego.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's completely done in Lego and it's so funny. I put that on our list thinking that you probably wouldn't be into it, but I also put it on the list because I know you like Lego.
Speaker 2:You're like you're autistic. You're into Lego right Answer that yeah, yeah, you got me. Yeah, you read me. Yeah, no, that's. That is a very fair stereotype you've applied to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and honestly it was fantastic.
Speaker 2:I yeah, like I went into it with fairly high expectations, just because I know the technology they use to make the Lego movies and I'm like, okay, okay, we know that lego is not going to allow them to put their name on it if it's not going to be good and, like, appropriately rated yeah, this can't be a lego film if it's going to be shit so it better be fucking good literally like beforehand, I watched the lego ninjago movie, which, I've been all like I don't really have any interest in seeing this, but then I watched it and like this is actually very good still, um, not talking about that, talking about piece by piece.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it goes through Pharrell's entire life yeah, which I wasn't like.
Speaker 1:Starting from childhood, one of the things that I had no idea about was that like I guess Pharrell went to school. Like I knew Pharrell went to school with Pusha T yeah, like I knew that, but I had no idea that he went to school with like Missy and Timbaland. Yeah, I was like, wait, what were they all from the same project, I guess. So I guess that's what like they were talking about in the school, because they would all go to Chad's house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and make music, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like that was wild to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They would just skip school and like go and make music.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was like, wait, wouldn't that be a competition for, like Timbaland and Pharrell and Chad?
Speaker 2:They're all just like making beats against one another. I mean, that's that. I feel like that's kind of it, though like what, if you have that community, that kind of like fostering environment that you're interested in growth and making music together, like I'm thinking, applying it to my life. I'm thinking back to like when I worked at that one particular coffee shop, when I first started there were just a bunch of people who didn't know about coffee but wanted to learn, and we all just kind of raised each other up.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, fair yeah. But also in the film, we learned out, we learned out. We learn that Pharrell has what is it Synesthesia. Yeah, so he can see color In music. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's arguably the most applicable type of synesthesia. Afterwards, I told you about a math teacher I had in high school who saw colors as numbers or numbers as colors and I was like that that's got to be like the most useless form of synesthesia. It's like cool, you can do calculations really quickly and pick out numbers and sequences. I can too, but I just have autism.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, and I guess when him and Chad met it was like they both have it, they both have it, so they were able to sort of like connect on that, and they were both sort of weirdos.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So they both sort of, like you know, were able to connect and make music and they just sort of hung out all the time and I really loved how the film walked us through, step by step, how they got to where they were without being too like corny or without being too like overly.
Speaker 2:They weren't necessarily glazing for Ellell the entire time like there was some glazing, to be sure, but like it was not undeserved totally. My favorite part from like, when they were starting as kids into like the neptunes, was when they described pharrell as taking things from the future and throughout the entire film, like he'd be putting together these little Lego pieces and that's what represented the beats.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I loved that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I loved when it showed them. He was like I grew up in the projects and we would bike through different areas and I would think about what I wanted from when I was older. And they biked through one area and they just saw a big house that had a half bike.
Speaker 2:Well, I didn't realize how into skateboarding Pharrell was. Yeah, cause he had, like the Palo Peralta, a skeleton shirt but with a Lego skeleton on it, and I'm like. Afterwards I immediately looked at I was like, is that a fucking shirt? Cause I need that shirt. And like the entire time I'm like, oh, my God, he's wearing a Bones shirt. Yeah, and like he's, I'm like, oh, he's into skateboarding, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so like and I think I mentioned to you were like, originally adopted by like the skate community yeah, well, yeah, miss west 49 yeah I was gonna say I I got into them with nrd, yeah, when they were walking through all of like the neptune beats, like and being like, yeah, this is when he every cool person was in this one building. And then then they showed like Slave for you, they did Pass the Cavassa, they did the Mysticale song they did. I was like holy shit. Yeah, the Neptunes literally defined pop music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did. I think their big breakout, even before all of that, was the Nori track.
Speaker 2:Oh what.
Speaker 1:What, what, what.
Speaker 2:What, what before? All of that was the nori track.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah and I was like holy shit yeah that's like the hook.
Speaker 2:Well, they were talking about it where he, he that was apparently how he counted. Things was like what, what, what one? And they were pharrell was producing it and he was like we need a hook. And pharrell was like, don't worry, I got it. Yeah, and that was the hook he was like we need a hook and Pharrell was like don't worry, I got it and that was the hook. And he's like this is so. People are going to laugh at me. And Pharrell was like you're going to be laughing to the bank.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and sure enough, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so funny looking back at it Because, like, I forgot what a legacy he had, because I think about him now and I'm like yeah, I mean like he had that hit with that punk and he did happy.
Speaker 1:He did happy for the minion for the fucking despicable me and I'm like he's a little corny yeah, but like, and he, he kind of talks about that in the movie and about how when his grandma died, who really helped raise him he went through a period where he was like he felt like he really lost himself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I that's that's the Pharrell I remember is like when he sucked, like I remember, like in the film pushes, like I made the worst song I've ever made in my entire life with Pharrell, yeah, and he said he's like I've never heard of it. He's like I've never heard of.
Speaker 1:He's like yeah, because it was bad yeah, and like Pusha T grew up with Pharrell and he like, even in what the interview he was like you know, I'm forever grateful to him. He gave me an opportunity. He was like I was still in the projects when they were getting big. He came back and he was like I have a beat that I was still in the projects when they were getting big. He came back and he was like I have a beat that I was going to give to Jay-Z, but I'm going to give it to you, and that ended up being Grinding, yeah, grinding. So like, if not for that, I don't know if we would have ever seen A Pusha T 100%.
Speaker 2:All in all, it would have been a good movie without the Lego, but the Lego made it a great movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it. Just Do you know what we forgot to mention?
Speaker 2:Was it about Snoop Dogg?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Snoop.
Speaker 2:Dogg section, because, like I forgot that, because I knew he did Snoop, but after that he did another song. It was the Fshizzle Rizzle. It's the big neptizzle. Yes, um, and I thought that that was their first collab, but it's not.
Speaker 1:It was drop it like it's hot, yeah, and they talked through how that song came together and they had something in it with called pg spray.
Speaker 2:Yeah uh, which was very obviously weed. But the way they were talking about snoop dog was like he's like, he's huge and he's got all like a room full of six, five crips, yeah, and I'm like holy shit he's just surrounded by all these crips who are very tall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think they said in the interview with pharrell he said he was high, but didn't they edit it they, they.
Speaker 1:The line, I believe, was I wrote that beat high out of my mind, but they they shortened it to I wrote that beat out of my mind yeah, and I was like we know what pj spray is, pg spray with out of my mind yeah, yeah, we can put two and two together and so what they show us in the film is him and chad were just on the floor and going, yeah, just making sounds and then chad coming in later with the, the synth, yeah and snoop was like all right, all right. And in the interview they did with snoop he was like I don't think those guys realized that was the first number one hit I'd ever had. Yeah, which I was like wait what?
Speaker 2:I know like snoop was famous before that in circles, though, like like I didn't juice wasn't as big as we think it was okay, because I had that tape when I was growing up.
Speaker 1:I know because it was great, it was amazing.
Speaker 2:But yeah, calvin calvin didn't really come into his own until calvin brunis yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:So the film is great for like, like, if you're a music fan, if you are into hip-hop, if you like like any of the Neptunes, any RD, if you like Lego.
Speaker 2:I recommended it to my mom, and my mom does not like any of those things, but I think that she would really resonate with a lot of the story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fair. I like we walked out of the the theater and you were like what are you? And I was like that was just nice.
Speaker 2:It was a great film. So what out of 10 would you give the Last Showgirl?
Speaker 1:Probably a seven.
Speaker 2:I was going to say seven and a half.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe an eight on a good day? Yeah, what would you give. Piece by Piece. Eight, what would you give? Piece by piece. Eight, I go. Eight and a half. Eight, eight and a half, yeah, I thought it was excellent.
Speaker 1:Both are better than long legs by a wide margin, always, always better than long legs Not always we had Love Lies Bleeding, which was not Fair. Yes, Do we want to call it there? Do we have anything else to say about piece by piece?
Speaker 2:No, I think that's it. I think you just need to go and see piece by piece for yourself.
Speaker 1:It's going to definitely have a wider screening. It is. It's coming out I saw on october 11th, so like in a month, and you should go and see it. I don't know if part of that larger screening that means it's going to be on streaming or if it's just in theaters but it's it's worth it.
Speaker 2:Like it's definitely worth it. I think you could probably wait until I was going to say the festival circuit to watch the last show, girl. But this is the festival circuit, so you could probably watch it on streaming and be very happy that you did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like my guess is that it will probably have a shorter theater run if it's trying to get in for award season.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll win some smaller awards. Yeah, like the Spirit Awards the Independent Film Awards.
Speaker 1:It'll probably do something for that. And again, it's definitely a film that you should watch and it is good.
Speaker 2:It's just it's not like it's just you have to be in the right mood, you have to be the right mindset, you have to be the right person. I think if we were a little older, this would probably resonate with us a lot more. Yeah, but yeah, that's half of our tiff experience.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you tune in next week, we'll be taking you through Deadmail, which is a horror film, and then we'll also be taking you through the Substance.
Speaker 2:Yes, which is Demi.
Speaker 1:Yeah, demi Moore, another horror film. I guess that's like our horror.
Speaker 2:Well, I was talking to Amma and I was like we've got to get our Hooptober list together. And Emma was like let's be real for two seconds. Let's be so real. We're about to move and, yes, we can spend all this time making a list, but are we really going to watch 30 films in the next 45 days? And I was like you're so real for that.
Speaker 1:Which actually we should end the episode on this note. So, after we put out these, this episode, the next tiff episode, we might have one or two more episodes and then we're going to be taking a break because, as you mentioned, we're moving, we're moving, we're going to be moving to a brand new home well, new for me?
Speaker 2:yeah, both for you, both for.
Speaker 1:Which means we got to set up a whole new studio for us, that which is going to take a second. It's going to take a minute. So we're going to be taking a few weeks off A month. Maybe We'll see, we'll see, but we are coming back.
Speaker 2:Oh, I mean always.
Speaker 1:So that's it for this week. Yeah, tell the, that's it for this week. Yeah, tell the folks where they can find us. You can find us on the internet. We're at highlowbrowpod.
Speaker 2:That's H-I-G-H-L-O-W browpod.
Speaker 1:And that is on Instagram, TikTok Threads, our website, which is the interwebs Series of tubes, I've been told. Yeah, you can also leave us a review wherever you would like. You can leave us some fan mail. You can, you know, send us a pigeon.
Speaker 2:Please send us a pigeon.
Speaker 1:We will accept.
Speaker 2:I will always accept a pigeon. Emma, now that we have a house, can I get a pigeon? We can discuss it. That means no.
Speaker 1:I think that's the episode. Okay, we love you you.
