Innovation and Adventure in Learning - join the learning revolution with LearnLife

Discover a way of learning, backed by science and research, that is learner-centred and focuses on self-determined, purpose-inspired and personal learning.

In this episode I speak with Bryan Gibson, who is the Research and Design Lead for the learning innovation elements at Learnlife.

Learnlife is leading the education revolution aiming to empower learners, educators, and governments worldwide to take on a fresh approach to learning. Today we chatted about what learning can look like in the modern world. Innovation in learning takes us away from the need for standardized testing, and formal learning settings that haven’t changed much since we, parents, were in school. Rather their approach is to bring in adventure, discovery and curiosity into a new way of learning. 

Enjoy this episode where Bryan highlights how Learnlife is continually pushing the boundaries of what education and learning can be. Learnlife envisions collaborative learning communities that will become the problem-solving champions in a world where agility, creativity, and innovation will be needed to solve future challenges. 

Hopefully this episode will leave you inspired to keep learning, keep being curious and seeking out knowledge - no matter how old you are. 

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Transcript

Intro  0:00  
Welcome to the future smart parent podcast. A place where my mom explores how to help us kids develop a new set of skills we need to face the future with confidence.

I'm Jude Foulston, an introverted mom trying my best to raise kids who are happy and confident kids who embrace all that makes them unique, while preparing them for an exciting future that really looks nothing like the world we grew up in. I believe there's a whole set of skills that our kids aren't being taught, these skills will be critical for them to develop in order to thrive in the future. It's up to us as parents to help them develop these skills. The future smart parent podcast provides resources for parents and kids who want to be ready for all the ways in which the future is going to be different from today, we will explore this future together bringing insights from top futurists resources from smart people working on making our lives better, and most importantly, stories of parents who are parenting a little differently, yet very much intentionally for a changing world. So join me as we explore how we can be future smart parents raising future smart kids.

Jude Foulston  1:13  
Today, I had the privilege of chatting with Brian Gibson. Brian is a part of the Learn Life team, who are a group of changemakers united by their passion to create a new lifelong learning paradigm. So if you're interested in hearing about a different way of learning, backed by science and research, that is learner centered, and focuses on self determined, purpose inspired and personal learning, then do stay tuned for this incredible conversation. Welcome, Brian, I'm so excited to have you on the podcast today. I'm also just so thrilled to have come across LearnLife, and to have experienced a tiny bit of what you and the LearnLife team do and stand for. I think since taking our kids out of mainstream education last year, I have to admit that as much as we are 100% confident in our decision, and I've loved seeing our kids thrive outside of the system, we are now struggling with knowing kind of what our next steps are for their learning journey. And which is why I was so excited to come across LearnLife. You know, for us, we obviously believe that play is a big part of how they learn and develop the skills that they need to back we're finding now that they wanting to dig a little bit deeper into their own areas of interest. And to be honest, one thing that I've learned in this journey is that it takes a very special type of person to be a teacher, or the word that I prefer that you guys use is a learning guide. So before I go on about our learning journey, that's kind of why I'm so excited to have found your team. So I guess let's just jump right into this conversation. So it's not me talking, you can share a little bit more about what LearnLife is and how you're positively changing education. So yeah, so welcome and can you start off by telling us a little bit about LearnLife and how it came to be?

Bryan Gibson  3:09  
Absolutely. Well I'll just introduce myself. My name is Bryan Gibson. I've been working with LearnLife for about three years now. I'm the research and design lead for the learning elements that we have created  the elements of learning innovation, which is what we believe is a roadmap, an agile roadmap for transformation to a new paradigm for learning. On top of that, I'm the global networks lead for an alliance community that we've grown, where we've connected with over 1500 people around the world to sort of shape, share and learn together on what learning innovation can be, what it looks like.So we run a lot of conversations and meetups around that. 

So what is LearnLife? Well, it's a great question. It's complex, I think, you know, we're doing so many things at LearnLife. We started our journey before I joined about five or six years ago now with Christopher Palmer running as our chief founder at LearnLife. He has a few young kids and the story goes that he was bringing his children to school to begin their education journey and him and his wife Daniela realized that the education system that they were bringing their kids into hadn't changed since they were at school themselves as kids and they realized there was a chasm, a gap between today's world and what the world needs and what the education space was providing for kids and he wanted to do something about that. So he did a lot of research around what should learning look like and realized that there is an opportunity for something tangible to create something from this And he created the LearnLife concept from that. And, you know, he brought on board some innovators from around the world to help them sort of grow out the thinking and ideas. And really, you know, when we drill down very deeply into what learning is about and what LearnLife is about, it's about finding your purpose and finding your why. And I guess, you know, one of the key missions at LearnLife and visions for each learner is that they leave  the learn life space, the hubs that we have, the communities that we have, where learning takes place, and each learner leaves with the with the skills and capabilities to continue on a lifelong learning journey, that learning becomes something that is not just a process and stages part of your life that happens in maybe adolescence and childhood, but actually an early adulthood I guess,  but it's actually something that continues throughout one's life. And I believe that we're in the fourth industrial revolution, we're in a stage in life where kids coming through the education system now are sort of projections that they will have 5, 6, 7 different careers in a lifetime. And we need to prepare those kids for that sort of fast accelerated pace of life that they're at, they're going to be entering into that we're already seeing happening in the last few years, an exponential acceleration of change, that we're all feel.

Jude Foulston  6:42  
I think that it's critical for us to be doing that. I also read a quote the other day, I think it was Peter Gray, who said something like, basically learning has got such a negative connotation with schoolchildren, I suppose. And we so need to change that. And I suppose in my eyes, that's a lot of what LearnLife does it, it just puts a spin on what learning is, and it helps kids grasp, well just develop that love for learning that is needed throughout their lives, whether it's in the next 20 years or the next 100 years, if they're not learning, and if they've got this negative thinking against it, then that's going to be a serious problem.

Bryan Gibson  7:29  
Absolutely. Peter Gray, I'll have to check this guy out. I think, you know, one of the things that one of our elements is about shaping a strong learning culture. And a lot of  elements in LearnLife is about really looking at what is relevant to young people and their lives. And, you know, the something that really comes out, it's very simple as an I was a teacher for many years before I joined learn life and in this in the traditional system. You know, I questioned a lot of times, what was it? What was I doing that was of any relevance. With the birth of the Internet, I think the internet has changed so much in terms of what learning can be and what it should be now. It's evolved, and we haven't really moved with that evolution. And, you know, if you're telling kids to learn something in the classroom, you know, I mean, quite often, they might say, well, I'll just Google it later. You know, I want to do something different than and I think that that's perfectly. That's a perfectly reasonable response. Today, you know, yeah, so I think there's, there's a bit of a mismatch between, you know, what, what we can do in our learning communities now, and what's being done. And one of the one of the big barriers as well is standardized assessment is how we assess learning. And it's something that that needs, it needs an overhaul. And it is happening in certain places and parts of the world. And  I think one of the key aspects of that is that is the university admission system, that it's quite generic. And again, it lends itself to this standardized system. It's kind of perpetuating what education is doing below the university level. And I think there's, there's a need to change that. And I think, you know, that when you look at what kids are doing in schools, you know, learning content still remains the key focus on learning, I think. We've got to shift that narrative away from focusing solely on content towards focusing on the procurement of competencies and skills that are much more connected to navigating one's life, I guess, beyond content.

Jude Foulston  9:43  
Yeah. And I suppose also not having to wait until they're 19 / 20 to kind of go out and find themselves and discover who they are, kind of like what we used to say when we were leaving school. And why do you have to wait until you're 18 / 19 to discover that -why not let them discover this at the age of, or explore this at the age of whatever 6, 7, 8 even, I think that's also a big a big thing that we're, we're needing to change.

Bryan Gibson  10:10  
Just on that note, I guess, you know, sorry to jump in, but I think, you know, one of our other elements at learn life is purpose inspired learning - is really supporting learners to find their why, you know, and, explore that purpose and purpose changes, you know, and it should be a playground for exploration and discovery, you know, and really, who should be in the driver's seat of that? Well, the learner should be decided, guided by what we call Learning Guides, mentored, and coached by learning guides to finding their way and finding their purpose. And I think that's a really, that's, that is a, that's a playground, and it's a beautiful place to be if learning can become that, that and really feeding into that curiosity space, you know,

Jude Foulston  11:00  
yeah. So tell us how LearnLife kind of operates at the moment, because to be honest, I think the founders of LearnLife had to be some of the bravest people around because it's such a massive ship to try and turn around the whole education system. It's like, where do you even start, and I'm fascinated with how learn life is doing this through your own hubs. But then also, kind of, as I understand it, helping schools that sort of mainstream schools integrate to kind of start off slowly and to introduce the sort of self directed learning aspects to it. So maybe you can just explain a little bit of how it works at the moment, and how I suppose that fits into changing education on the whole?

Bryan Gibson  11:45  
Absolutely. Well, I guess, I mean, the first thing I would talk about, as is our hubs, you know, which are the learning communities that we have, that are embodying the elements of learning innovation that we've created and curated and designed, and I guess, at this stage, I should just mention a wee bit about that. But the elements are learning innovation is a very large document, capturing the 21 elements that we believe can prepare a learning community for transformation that can provide stimulus for implementing what the learning should look like in that community, and then providing support on how you sustain that that learning community that you're building. So our hubs are those communities that are using this, this paradigm, so to speak, that these elements embodying and living that so our hubs focus on personal learning, and that we don't have standardized assessment. We work with learners to find their why, to find their purpose, and connect them into what the real world is in their community. And so  the personal learning that we offer is very relevant to the local community, the immediate community, and we're developing the skills and competencies of learners more that looking at at focusing on content, you know, we sort of, at this point, believe that content should be a byproduct of learning. But actually the skills and competencies that you can acquire super important. We're all about developing learner agency, we're all about using the learning space, and reimagining what that learning space can be beyond what a traditional school might look like. So, you know, in my experience, you know, schools often work in silos within classrooms, so teachers work in their own classroom, and so on. And it's quite a siloed setup, there's no sort of natural way for collaboration with the sort of the architectural structure that's in place in those spaces. So we sort of look at, you know, working in very open spaces, you know, that's probably what you would see in it, and maybe a Google building, or, you know, Amazon, or whatever it might be, you know, like a sort of an evolved business space. So, the learning spaces are very different, and learning can happen anywhere and everywhere. You know, we focus on active learning as well and learning methodologies that we've researched. We've now got a suite of maybe 27, New 28 learning methodologies now around the world that we believe are really strong examples of impactful and effective learning. An example of that is play based learning, you know, that you would know about with your own kids. And so our hubs are hubs of those communities that are really looking at nurturing the individual nurturing the learner what their needs are building a learning culture that supports them. And really  the forefront or the foundation of that is positive relationships. B efore learning even happens The most important thing that a community can create as a positive relational community, it fostered well being, it enables people in the community to sort of naturally cultivate and foster their social and emotional learning skills, those soft skills, you know, that are just so important. And we all know, we're being told just, you know, moving forward, and the research that's out there, that these are going to be the most important things that that we can have as human beings, you know, moving forward. So, yeah, really, these hub communities, I guess, are prioritizing what matters, you know, and that is that the individual human, what they want, what their needs are, and, and reimagining as well what the role of a teacher is that what what you mentioned, we call Learning Guides, that the learning guide is there not to drive the learning necessarily, but to be there as a support to guide to coach and to mentor. And, and this is, this is a journey, I mean, we're we're trying to move in this space where learners are moving from what we know as pedagogy, which is learning down to you by by an educator by a teacher and moving towards what we call heutagogy, which is self determined learning, which is it's having the skills and competencies to to,

to direct your own learning to navigate your own learning to know what you want to learn, to know how you want to learn it, to be able to develop, design your own sort of learning frameworks that that suit you. And so, you know, we're empowering individuals to create their own bespoke pathways. One of the things that we noticed in our hub community is, you know, is the need for collaboration, that just because we're talking about personal learning, it doesn't mean that everybody sits on their own and works on their own. It's, it's a highly relational environment that we're that we're building, and the communities that we have it, there's a competent support mechanism there. Everyone is a learner, we talk with that quite often that even the Learning Guides, the adults are professionals, we're all learners in that space. And, and everybody has a place. You know, one of the things that we do in our hubs is, is a is a building block called Atlante. Where learners will lead other learners through what their passions and interests are. One thing I watched recently was learners teaching other learners how to complete a Rubik's cube. And it became a competition where I saw some kids who didn't know how to compete a Rubik's cube. And after two weeks of sort of practice every 20 to 30 minutes in the studio, there were kids completing the Rubik's cubes in five to eight  seconds from what I remember. I think the role of the learning guide now is to set up the space for learning to happen, you know, is to is to be there like a ninja, you know, in the background, just ready to help in any way. It takes a lot of organization planning, but it's how it's how we're doing it. And the other thing that I would talk about is the group programs is the training and development aspect of Learn Life. It's connecting in with other communities who want to become more innovative. So we run group programs, with education leaders, with educators, to develop their capacity to be more innovative in their community, to reimagine what they can achieve, and to unlearn their practices and relearn new practices that create innovation, and innovative opportunities for the learners in the community. So we're working with different schools here in the system, and helping them rethink. We're also opening hubs in different places around the world. And with that, we're sort of retraining the next generation of Learning Guides in those communities. We're living in this age of innovation and technology, but you know, the more work and research that I've done in education over the last few years, the more I'm seeing that the most important thing that is necessary that the most powerful thing is the mindset, you know, it's the human, it's the mindset of the the actors in the community, the decision makers, you know, that, you know, everybody should be a decision maker, there should be participatory action happening, you know, but it's really drove just to be a bit more clear that the mindset is what is driving change.

Jude Foulston  19:35  
And I suppose that I mean, that even boils down to just relationship with self as well, you know, and just knowing oneself and as you say, mindset, yeah, I mean, it's I think it's frightening the levels of stress and anxiety and just stress that that school kids are under at the moment and I think that by bringing in this mental health I suppose into the learning environment is is critical for change to happen? 

Bryan Gibson  20:05  
I  think, yeah, I think, you know, the relationship with the self is something that we, we really look to build as well. And beside positive relationships, you know, well being is one of the core elements that we have as well. And one of the things that I've known as I've noticed, as well as a lot of these sort of things that we take for granted, like relationships, and having a vision, or having values or your well being, you know, these are things that we're the accidentally sort of fumbled across by people, you know, like, Now, we're sort of looking at deliberately creating positive relational spaces deliberately building well-being structures, you know, like, exploring what well-being is, and it's different strands of cognitive well-being,  physical, emotional, social, and so on. And the same with, you know, looking at interpersonal and interpersonal development, you know, Valerie Allen's work on thriving is hurt, she has a book called Thrive, which has been a great inspiration to us as well, she talks about the different dimensions of learning, one of them being interpersonal, one of them being intrapersonal, and the other a couple are social and global thriving. And then obviously, we've sort of connected him with digital thriving too, so the relationship with the self, but you know, before learning happens, you've got to develop that relationship with yourself to really know, again, to go back to your purpose, what you want, you know, that you know, know thy self, you know, it's, it's the most important thing you can do in your life, and school communities should be creating that opportunity.

Jude Foulston  21:33  
I'd be interested to know how you guys see it, when the learners come to learn life. I know, for us with our kids, it's taken, I think it's taken almost two years just to almost de school, kind of just to get out of that system for them to now learn or appreciate that they can be in control of their own learning journey. So there's a long Well, I think sometimes it could be a few weeks, but I think there is a process in between of sort of getting that confidence back within ourselves as parents and the learners.

Bryan Gibson  22:06  
Absolutely. You know, I think you call it deschooling and yeah, we were actually talking about that quite recently, they sort of unschooling requirements for each individual learner who come to learn life, you know, that a lot of the kids who are coming to learn life are coming from a context where they were in maybe a traditional system, and the traditional model, there's a control mechanism to it, or the content is controlled through curriculum, where the learning is controlled by the educator, and there's a need to really shift that. That's not a criticism of individuals who work in traditional schools, it's a fact, it's a reality of the world that we're living in. And it's a system that hasn't changed in over 150 years that we all know, we all know this, and it needs to change. And I think there's learners that I would say, who have the expectation of feed me with information, they don't really have the agency yet to navigate their own learning, and it's not their fault. It's a conditioned response to what the expectations around learning are. And there's a need to change that. And again, it goes back to mindset. And I think there's a need really to move from that sort of control to empowerment, sort of system and if you can do that you're onto a winner. And I think one of the things that I always felt when I was a teacher was how independent are these learners? It was a question I often asked myself, if I need these kids to work on their own how independent are they and it's a sign of effective teaching and practice, I guess, if you're setting up a learning environment where  there's a lot of independence, because kids are working in that zone of proximal development, and they are learning at their own level. It's a very tricky thing to do in a traditional system, where there's a mandate of curriculum required year in year out, it's measured through standardized assessment.

Jude Foulston  24:08  
Well, I mean, to be honest, I was thinking about this just this week. I think it's easy to sometimes blame the teachers in any school, but it's difficult as parents as well, we've become so - I don't know, if we think about how we grew up, and how free our parents were with us, kind of just be back by the time it's dark. And now we won't even let our kids use a pair of scissors until they whatever. And so it's difficult for parents and for teachers to get that right. And I think it's something that we can very much be aware of as parents that yeah, independence for these kids is critical. And we don't have to wait to be 18. These kids are getting to 18 and they don't know how to be independent. So it's a problem.

Bryan Gibson  24:58  
Yeah, I mean, there's examples of communities around the world that are doing some incredible things, you know, to build, to just cultivate independence and curiosity. And I think  it's about just trusting young people to be able to sort of learn through failing and learn through experience. And you know,  that's how you learn. I mean, wherever you're growing up, when you're a toddler, you know, you're learning to walk, you're falling over and you're getting up again. There's an instinctual self reflection built in there and an instinctual sort of desire to want to continue towards mastery of something so simple that we take for granted. But that's what learning is. And you got to trust, I think it comes down to that, if it's trust is the narrative that we need to really send it as a message. And it's unfortunate,  I think in the traditional system, you've got with the curriculum, mandated, there's just so much pressure on teachers to deliver something that is a measure of success on them. And it's an awful lot of pressure the system, it's,  not right, and I think that's where a lot of this sort of, I need to stay in control of what's what's happening here. You know I'm the person who is, you know, is really controlling the outcomes. And it's something that really needs to change.

Jude Foulston  26:24  
We live in a complex here, and so the kids can walk around freely, even though sometimes it took us a while to get used to that. And the other day, it was about six o'clock in the evening, and I didn't know where my youngest was. And I had to send a message out on our group, the WhatsApp group saying, has anyone seen Miles. And on the one hand, I was like, that's awesome. And on the other hand, I also felt like such judgment, because I didn't know where my child was. And I wanted to almost defend myself. And I just think that is a prime example of where we need to change our thinking, like, it's okay! He's safe, you know, exploring outside, there's really not much that can go wrong with him. It's more dangerous for him to be playing Roblox, to be honest. But it's just that mindset of it's okay. And for everyone to kind of support each other in this journey for change

Bryan Gibson  27:23  
the possibilities as well, you know, and opening up your mind to what possibilities can be, and being open minded, and I think what, like, how do you do that? Well, you know, you let other people empower other people to make decisions as well and, and make it a participatory community. That's where learning needs to go, where learning is co-  design incorporated. You know, it's funny, I saw this video recently of a forest kindergarten, I think it was in Denmark, maybe. And there was a kid who'd climbed a tree, and there was a crazy windy day, and the kid was on top of the tree, and the tree was swaying. And everybody was just watching this little tiny kid who's with four years of age and on top of the tree, 20 feet up. And I was just thinking, Oh, my God, you know, like, would I be okay with that? Would I be comfortable with that? I mean, that kid is having a learning experience,  but it's highly dangerous, obviously. But it just makes you  wonder, you know, where are the lines? Where do we draw the lines? 

Jude Foulston  28:23  
Exactly. At the end of the day we still need to parent. And so Brian, with regards to the parents who are listening to this, a lot of them are here in South Africa. What is your advice for us? So I know, you didn't touch on the Home Hub, which I understand is kind of something that you're not starting, but it's growing. And it's something that I'm very interested in, obviously, but tell us a little bit about that as an option. And then I guess just your advice for parents who are here, and who, you know, short of moving to Barcelona and coming to your hub or Germany? What  would your advice be for, for us to get onto this journey of changing the education paradigm?

Bryan Gibson  29:14  
Well, first of all, you know, yeah, I didn't mention the home hub, but I just because of time, but I get to go into that a little bit. It's an online learning community with learners from around the world, who are meeting up weekly, in the evenings to learn in a different way, which is, which is our practice. It's our learning innovation. It's what we do. We use a familiarize, experience and reflect mechanism for that. And we're framework and we run different sorts of activities. And the thing about the whole model, I would say is, you know, it's something that we know and we're very aware of is it's an online learning community, but not all the learning happens online, that the learning happens in the home, and it opens up the space in the home for exploration. It's nearly two years now whenever the pandemic had, initially, we went online very quickly. And we also created a, what we call the primary lockdown Club, which I thought was a great name. And as a bunch of kids in primary years, who joined our community, and we were running learning experiences with them. And it was based on sort of challenge based learning and project based learning. And a lot of it was facilitation, and then go offline and create, you know, and do and use the home space as a place for learning and exploration. And I think it's all about imagination. I mean, I think, you know, you're asking for advice from parents who maybe wanted to go into that innovative space, I think that the most important thing I think parents can do is is to, is to cultivate, and continue to cultivate curiosity in kids, and offer a variety of ways to learn and experience life and think of learning as a multi sensory experience that we know that we learn visually, an auditory ways and kinesthetically. And I think, you know, that's another thing I would say is, is create opportunities for your child to, to explore the world in those different ways. Ask, 'What do you want?' What do you want to do? What do you like to do? And obviously, there's this thing, you know, what, what do you need? And where are the little blind spots that that you might sort of support and develop, but I think it all comes down to curiosity. And I think moving forward, if you can find that place where a child is very curious, and they're going to open up a world and that, that that might be someone in music, you know, it might be someone who loves sport, it might be someone who loves computers, and gamification, but is doing it in a way that's really cultivating learning. My younger brother is an astrophysicist. And he, when he was a kid,  we had these encyclopedias in the house. And he read all, like he read all of them. And he was he was quite young. He had, he just had this insatiable curiosity, for reading and reading information. And, you know, there was nothing, my parents didn't force that it was just there. And that's, I mean, that's what a learning guide is. It's a facilitator. And I think you as a parent, you can facilitate your child's development, not by forcing them to do things, but by creating opportunities subtly that a child can pick up on. And I think the other thing that I would advise is, develop your own skills as a parent to ask effective questions. I think that that can really spark curiosity in kids. And it's something it's not something I have, you know, and I'm not saying this as of coming from a master point of view, it's something that I'd like to develop in myself. But in my research, and what I've done, and our research at LearnLife, I would say, if I could do something, it would be I would love to be able to ask effective questions that then the kids can go away and spend a long time exploring through their own curiosity.

Jude Foulston  33:31  
Yeah, I love that. I love that. Right? So, gosh, I could carry on talking to you for the whole afternoon, but I am conscious of time. Brian, where can people just find out a little bit more about learn life? Where would you point them to,

Bryan Gibson  33:48  
Our landing pages learnlife.com And if you go on to learnlife.com, you'll find out about our programs, you know, our primary years program, secondary or Lifelong Learning sort of philosophy, our Home Hub, you'll find out about our Alliance Network, which is the network that I lead, you'll find our learning paradigm on there and what we're calling the elements of Learning Innovation you'll find out about learning methodologies and there's there's a lot of things and there's blogs on there too for it with just different sort of peaks of interest and information for people so yeah, learn life.com is the best place to go and  there's also a place where you can contact us on there as well. And if anybody wants I mean if anybody's listening and wants to reach out to me you can catch me at Bryan @ learn life dot come.

Jude Foulston  34:35  
So Brian, last question, I would just love to know what has been one of your most defining moments at learn life because you must have learned so much  with being there and just being in that environment. Do you have any, any stories to share?

Bryan Gibson  34:55  
Absolutely. I mean, so many stories to share. I think the one that really just sticks out right now, I would say, which was just an eye opener for me was a couple of years ago when I was looking through the research and our elements and what we're advocating for I came across the the growth mindset concept, which is all about you can grow your thinking, the brain is malleable, a lot of this is connected on to neuroscience, that, that you can grow your brain grow your thinking through your habitual sort of cognitive as sort of, you know, sort of behaviors and actions. So I think when I find that out, I went deep into that, it just it really, for me, it really resonated, that I can do anything. And, you know, I really, actually began to believe that, but that actually, it was a pretty sort of light bulb moment for me, that there's nothing out of reach for anyone in their life, when it comes to learning and personal growth and development. You know, that doesn't mean no, you know, some people have this material notion of what that is. And some people think fame and fortune, but it's nothing to do with that it's about you can you can achieve anything in your brain if you if you really focus and work on it. And you can learn anything you want, you know, and I think that's a really wonderful, beautiful thing. So whatever you want, is there and through, you know, practice. And so continued focus, dedication to whatever you're passionate about.

Jude Foulston  36:31  
That is, that is the perfect conclusion to this conversation. And I'm going to put it out right now that I am putting my mind to be in Barcelona at some stage with my two kids and my husband, and we will be there for some time. So that's what I'm gonna put my mind to because it is a dream of mine. I just think what you guys are doing is truly amazing and needed. And so I thank you and your whole team for what you're doing. And of course, for your time today and just carry on doing this amazing, life changing work that you're doing.

Bryan Gibson  37:10  
Thanks very much, Jude. Much appreciated. And thanks for your time as well. It was great.

Jude Foulston  37:15  
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