welcome to battleground history, episode number 15, Leonardo Davinci versus arminius. Today's installment comes to you from the rebels, rogues and scholars bracket. We pit the genius of the renaissance painter, inventor, and polymath Leonardo Davinci. He's pitted against the man who would cause Emperor Augustus to cry out quintillion verus give me back my legions. The dramatic officer of viruses, Org, Axilla, arminius. Let's start with the man whose name and German would be Herman, namely Arminius, born in Germania in either 18 or 17 BC. He was the son of a chieftain of the truest can tribe, not a whole lot, is known about his early life, but we do know that he was sent to Rome as a teenager to train as a military commander over the years. He was well respected and moved up the ranks to achieve the petty noble status of Equestrian. Arminius was even given command of a Roman auxiliary force in the Balkans. It was after this successful campaign and around seven or eight, and he returned to his tribe where he learned Roman general viruses plan to invade them. Rumor started swirling around the Roman camp that are many us was plotting to rebel against his masters, but verus would not believe them. Around that time, the Romans had to move a large number of lesions into the Balkans. There was a major uprising which is known as the [inaudible] or the war of the baptists. Because of this virus was left with only three legions, the 17th, 18th, and 19th to fight the Germanic tribes near the Rhine, or many has reported to the general that there was a rebellion going on in northern Germany. This was fake news and with this setup to ambush verus and his Roman legions, the trap was set as the Romans headed off to quell the supposedly rebellion. There were about 20,000 men and additional 16,000 family members in the Roman entourage. Arminius bought together some fellow Germanic tribes with his own to the ambush that was to ensue in a battle known as the battle of two Berg forest, as this is one of the fights that will be covered in the battles bracket. I'll avoid any real details here, but what I can say is that the multiday fight was a complete disaster for the Romans. They lost Nesta, mated 15 to thousand men with many wives and children being taken into slavery. This was one of the most significant defeats in Roman history and would have reverberations throughout the empire while the Romans would try to conquer the lands of the Germanic tribes under the new emperor Tiberius and his nephew dramatically. They were never really able to establish any control. Tiberius recall Germanic ihss in order that the northern border of the empire would be the Rhine River. Arminius had achieved his goal of stopping Roman expansion, but the cost of German lives was immense as well. Tens of thousands of lives were lost keeping their enemies at bay, but they did succeed after the threat of Roman incursions into their territories, ended old squabbles begin to set back and among the numerous Germanic tribes a war between the macro Omani and Arminius, his tribe. The truancy ended with arminius winning, but being murdered by his own people in 21, and they will. They did this because they were kind of worried about is growing power. When he died, he was around 37 or 38 years of age. His legacy carried on for centuries and was used as a focal point of German nationalism. Because of this, Arminius is not being taught in German schools today as it brings up the ghosts of the past Nazi era now for put it into perspective segment. During our lifetime, we of course have the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, the rule of Augustus, and the rise of Tiberius as emperors of Rome, the Greek dynasty in Bactria dating back to the time of Alexander the great comes to an end and we have the beginnings of the manufacturers have pens and metal devices in Rome. Next up, we have a giant of a man, Leonardo disabled, Pietro, Davinci, born on April 15th, 14, 52 in the Republic of Florence, the city of Vinci to pro Husseini de Antonio divinci and Katherina, a peasant woman. The two would never married. Almost nothing is known about Leonardo's early years, except that he was given an informal education in Latin geometry and math. None of which he seemed to be very gifted at. It isn't until the age of eight of 14. Excuse me. Do we know of the boy and 1466, he was a prince to Andrea dtg. One better known as Verragio. Instead of going over Leonardo's life, literally I want to share some insights into his way of thinking and Walter Isaacson's biography of Divinci. He shares his thoughts as to why he was such a great polymath. Isaacson's introduction chapter is entitled. I can also paint here. The author shares will look into the great part is it's mind quote. Around the time he reached the unnerving milestone of turning 30. Leonardo Davinci wrote a letter to the ruler of Milan listing the reasons he should be given a job. He had been moderately successful as a painter in Florence, but he had trouble finishing his commissions and was searching for new horizons and the first 10 paragraphs he touted his engineering skills, including his ability to design bridges, waterways, cannons, armored vehicles, and public buildings. Only in the 11th paragraph. In the end, did he add that he was also an artist? Likewise, in painting, I can do everything possible. He wrote, this is the man who painted the exquisitely last supper and the enigmatic Mona Lisa and the sketch of the Vitruvian Man Leonardo's painting of Christ known as Salvador Mundi was sold at auction last year in November for a world record, 450 point $3. Million Dollars. Yes. And painting. He could do everything. Isaacson goes further onto right quote, slapping the genius label on Leonardo oddly minimises him by making him seem as if you were touched by lightning. His genius was of the type we can understand even take our lessons from it. It was based on skills we can aspire to improve in ourselves, such as curiosity and intense observation. He hadn't imagination so excitable that had flirted with the edges of fantasy, which is also something we can try to perverse, preserve in ourselves and indulge in our children. The greatest window we haven't, uh, Davinci's mind is in, is preserve 7,000, 200 pages of notes back to Isaacson. Once again, quote, my favorite gems in his notebooks are as to do lists which sparkle with his curiosity. One of them dating from the 14 counties in Milan is that day's list of things he wants to learn. The measurement and Milan and its suburbs is his first entry. This has a practical purpose as revealed by item later in the list, draw Milan other. Show him relentlessly seeking out people whose brains he could pick. Get the master of arithmetic to show you how to square a triangle. Ask Jenny no the Bombardier about how the tower of Ferrara is walled. Ask Benedetto pronto naughty by which by what means they walk on ice in flanders. Get a master of hydraulics to tell you how to repair a lock canal in mill and the Lombard manner. Get the measurement of the son promised me by my Maestro Giovanni Franchisee, the Frenchman. He's insatiable. Best of all of the questions that seem completely random. Describe the tongue of the woodpecker. He instructs himself who on Earth would decide one day for no apparent reason that he wanted to know what the tongue of a woodpecker looks like. These are the types of questions that bring out the nature of Davinci's. Insatiable curiosity. Something few men or women have ever attained, Michael Faraday, who we covered recently as an example as Benjamin Franklin, or a more contemporary figure Steve Jobs, but I can easily venture to say that they all pale in comparison to the man from the small town of Vinci. Before we get to the scoring, let's put it into perspective. During da Vinci's life, the hundred years war ends, constantinople falls to the Ottomans. Nicholas Copernicus is born. Christopher Columbus sails set a new world. Vasco da Gama finds a sea route to India. Henry the eighth becomes King of England, and Michelangelo Finishes Painting the Sistine Chapel. Now onto the scoring for the 15 points on how long they were rebel. Kroger scholar, we start with Arminius is turned towards being a rebel against the Romans. Began around nine, eight and lasted until his murder in 21. That gives them a period of 12 years. Leonardo starts his scholarly rain in the year of 14, 66 and continues until his death in 15, 19. That gives him a long time of 53 years of service. 15 points for Davinci, five for Arminius. The next scores, 20 points for how they affected the rest of the world in their time. After careful deliberations, I have to give Arminius the full point total dues effect on the other Germanic tribes, Rome and the people of the Balkans. Davinci on the other hand, had a great deal of influence when it came to his engineering feats. It was also greatly revered by the nobility of the day and by his fellow artists. We majorly influenced Gyorgy vicinity in 15, 68 wrote this about the great man quote and the normal course of events. Many men and women are born with remarkable talents, but occasionally in a way that transcends nature. A single person is marvelously endowed by heaven with beauty, grace, and talent and such abundance that he leaves other men far behind. All his actions seem inspired. Indeed, everything he does clearly comes from God rather than from human skill. Everyone acknowledged that this was true of Leonardo Da Vinci, an artist of outstanding physical beauty displayed infinite grace in everything that he did and who cultivated his genius so brilliantly that all problems studied. He solved with these. For this, I give him 19 points. Next step is the lasting effect on world history. The next step, you might not think that our mini has said such a significant impact, but you'd be wrong because of his actions. Roman armies halted the expansion of their territories at the Rhine river. This is quite significant and effected world history from that moment forward. Still Davinci's work in art and engineering would inspire countless men and women to create things that would transform our world. Twenty five points to Leonardo, 22 to Arminius. Lastly, we hand out the 40 points to the man who affected their country for the better at the time they lived. Our minister gets the full 40 points here for obvious reasons. The Vinci on the other hand influenced so many in the art world, but also in the architectural engineering spirits at the time. For that reason, I get Leonardo 33 points so the scores are in and the winner of today's battle is Leonardo Davinci. With 92 points, with arminius getting a respectable 87, the winner will face off against Dr Martin Luther King Jr. Well, I hope you enjoyed today's podcast. Please take some time to revieW the podcast on stitcher, spotify, google play, or Itunes to help get the word out about us. We've had about 15 reviews so far. It's about what I expected this point, but I really enjoyed it. 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