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Life Around "The Fire"
Life Around "The Fire"
Guest Speaker Tracy Perez Delves Into Exploring Ancient Paths: Integrating Spiritual Realities in Daily Life
Tracy Perez joins us with an apostolic anointing that's truly inspiring. Together, we embark on an exploration of the spiritual and natural realms, challenging the misconception that these realms are separate. Tracy shares captivating stories, including those of his son Connor's spiritual experiences, to reveal how these dimensions intersect, urging us to rethink how spiritual truths integrate into our daily lives.
The conversation continues by reflecting on the Mount of Transfiguration as a profound example of realm overlap, where Jesus, Elijah, and Moses coexist in light. Through this, and other biblical stories like Jesus walking through walls or on water, we highlight the true permeability between realms. With the Hebrew word "olam," we unlock concepts of ancient and eternal truths, connecting these themes to the idea of ancient paths from Jeremiah 6:16, inviting a deeper understanding of accessing spiritual realities.
Finally, we explore the hidden presence of "olam" and its New Testament counterpart "eon," unraveling their meanings and implications for both current spiritual life and eternal existence. These discussions paint a picture of God's presence as both a mystery to embrace and a reality to live by. As we prepare for the journey ahead, we're eager for listeners to share their thoughts and questions, encouraging engagement through lifearoundthefire@gmail.com. Exciting revelations await!
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Howdy folks, I want to welcome you to another episode of Life's Around the Fire. My name is David Lutari and I'll be your host today. We are a podcast that is devoted to spiritual growth, and what we mean by spiritual growth is this growth in our relationship, first and foremost, with God, then in our relationships with one another. What we're going to do today in this episode is something I've been looking forward to all week long.
Speaker 1:A co-laborer, a man who has an apostolic anointing on his life, is going to be giving to us some wisdom and revelation concerning two realms the spiritual realm and the natural, physical realm, and how they connect the reality that we're living in two places at the same time at least. And so there's, as I said, some wisdom and some revelation, and it's ultimately designed to know God better and each other, where we can understand what's going on in the interconnection, but the interconnection of how the spirit realm influences the natural and vice versa. And so, tracy, once again I want to welcome you. Brother, you are a delight. You have 100%, complete, free access. We're going to break this into two parts. This is going to be part one, and I'll interject a couple things, but, tracy, you go ahead and take it from here, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you, david, we'll have some fun. The natural and the spiritual. So first I just want to say pray really quickly, holy Spirit, guide us into all truth as we even dive into this subject. That I know, father, you want us to have revelation and understanding of this, and that I just pray that it would be sound and biblical, because it is an area that could you know, unfortunately, that could be misconstrued by some. So, with that being said, in Jesus' name, and with that being said, you know the majority. Why it would be that way, david, I don't know, because the majority of the Bible itself is about the Spirit, from Genesis to Revelation, about the spirit realm impacting the natural realm through faith. I mean, the whole Bible is about that. You can't pick up, you can't read a chapter or a verse without in such a way, that it's a reason, I believe, that non-believers don't believe today, because they don't see that happening now day, because they don't see that happening.
Speaker 1:Now. I was just. I was just gonna say briefly that without that, it can be dull, it can be wooden, it can just be something of theory or some sort of moral value code.
Speaker 2:It's that, but it's more yeah, and I think that's what I believe. That's why we're doing this. So when I pray that this is not just that we can have that we can. You know, revelation is wonderful, but that we would have revelation without application has kind of been a problem in the charismatic church. So we want to be able to figure out this revelation that the Lord is unveiling. Now, you know, how will we apply it? And I think a lot of that is. It can change and come back to us. So it's important that we explore it.
Speaker 2:I believe the way God designed it it was always designed where the earth and humanity was a co-laboring process of humanity, the natural world, and God, the spirit realm, together in Eden and these two realms. It's taken me a while, but we call our church right Old Way Fellowship, which you go to my son, connor, diagnosed with severe autism, and he's very much healed now. But he calls that realm of the spirit the Old Way, where he can go to God at any time. I won't pretend to understand what Connor has right now, but he put me on a search a few years back. He put me on a search for that. I knew it was real Experientially. I knew it was real Biblically. I knew it was real but I hadn't really gone on the this, the search I had that connor put me on because he has survived there and is accessing it.
Speaker 2:He can type and he can articulate what it is to me and we don't really tell everybody, we don't share that with everyone, but he put me on this search so I want to make, I wanted to, and he says it's not another place. He says it's not another place, dadî, and I ask him what it is and he says ìI teach on the tree of good and evil and the tree of life. Often I have beenî. He said ìIt's eating from the good tree and not eating from the bad treeî. So it's access through holiness, it's access through faith, through righteousness, and we'll get to that. So it's not.
Speaker 2:I'm coming to the more understanding that it's not another place, not earth and heaven. It is heaven on earth, but I believe they overlap or coexist at the same time is what I'm coming to and I believe that's how, and we have the Bible is just full of. I mean Job, the book of Joel, where the sons of God, the angels, and Satan joins them in the courts of heaven, right To impact Job on earth. Well, if we looked at that as natural occurrences, then we would miss it because it was completely the spirit realm impact and we have, you know, think of gosh. There's so many examples, thousands of scriptures, but I believe this podcast will raise more questions than it will answer.
Speaker 1:I believe that that's good, because back in the day I had a, it was a joke, but I said you know what I want on my tombstone? And I said what I said. He asked this question and he made us think.
Speaker 2:I love that. You know, inquisitive, being inquisitive has always been something people blame me of and I can't help it. But I've taken that to the Bible, I've taken that to my walk with the Lord for 30, 30, some years and I encourage everybody to you have jaha, you have elisha opening, you know, praying that jahaze's eyes would be open to the spirit realm. There it is in the same. So just a couple of examples of it being overlapping here and now. Not, we are in a place and it is another place. That's right. So, and I I really got a good example here and I don't know that you're going to hear this anywhere else, so it may be there because I was asking the lord to prepare for this day but of uh, and I got, I got a really cool example of the realms colliding, which is impertinent to us as christians, at pentecost, okay, and and at the time of the realms colliding, which is pertinent to us as Christians, at Pentecost, at the time of the Bible being written, the Greek thought was water, wind, fire and earth. Ancient Greeks believed those were the elements of everything in the natural world, right? So in Acts 2, water, wind, fire and earth. So in Acts 2, the Holy Spirit was then, it is now was represented as water. It was just a given.
Speaker 2:The Holy Spirit, and go through Isaiah, go through the Old Testament. You know the Holy Spirit was always the water represented through water. Well, so you have water. Then you have what? Sound of a mighty rushing wind. Right, then you have tongues of fire. So you have water, wind, fire. And where is the earth? Well, the earth is us. We were made from the dust of the ground. So at pentecost, wow, the lord actually is I, I. I think it's amazing the lord father was making a statement of here, here is my realm colliding with humanity, with all that major elements. So you've got water, wind, fire and earth in Acts 2. The sound, the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit came upon them, jesus said go there, you've got to have this, you have got to have this to minister, you've got to have this, you have got to have this to minister, you've got to have this going forward. And it says the sound of a mighty rushing wind, tongues of fire. And they fell on earth, meaning 120, made from the dust of the ground.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, David. Let me just throw this in real quick in what Tracy's saying. We have an expanding listenership with this particular podcast and there are several leaders that are teachers and pastors, people that are functioning in various areas where they proclaim the word. I want to tell you, man, what Tracy just shared this stuff will teach, this stuff will preach, man. That is a wonderful revelation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what we're doing today? We're going to paint broad stripes. I brought 10 pages of Scripture for everything we're talking about today and we won't be able to teach like that today. But what I saw with that was the lord making that statement at pentecost, where everything changed the church was born and jesus redeemed. You know, jesus redeems through holy spirit. The creation that he made in the beginning was the word. The word was god, the word was with god, right. So there, that's such a stunning example of the spirit realm colliding and it being not only just a thing but being the necessary thing to birth the church. And then now, so the power of that realm is made available to these new believers, the first century church, the power of that realm, the purpose of all of that, to make the power that Jesus carried, because Jesus established that realm.
Speaker 2:Miracles demonstrate that the kingdom breaking through into our realm that's what miracles do, things that can't happen in the natural is this kingdom of God, the spirit realm for today's podcast, breaking through into our natural realm. Jesus established himself with those type of miracles. So now we are in Christ, filled with the spirit, and I believe the application is, I believe that the early church, the apostles, the fact that Peter could walk in his shadow, heal people, the growth before Constantine of 400,000, you know just the growth, just everything that we know the early church did and we talked so much about the power they walked in, comes from the understanding. Not only that happening, but we carry that now. We know that, we carry that and we have to know that, and by faith, but somehow we have unlearned it.
Speaker 2:I think that's the right word unlearn. Yeah, I've been taught not to see. We have on, yes, kind of like kids, you know, kids imagination, you know. And, and jesus said enter the kingdom as a child. Right, because a child's imagination, until he gets told to stop think, imagining so much, you know, it's pretty much unfettered to this realm. I believe. Probably, I would agree so and Paul. So, paul and gosh, you can't read the Bible or understand it. It's such a new understanding when we open ourselves to this line of thought Paul talks about it clearly when we're seated with Christ in heavenly places. Now, my Western thought always thought well, I wrestle with that. Am I actually sitting up there with him? Because it's a down here, up there thing, right, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1:I always thought that Spatially, and all that by faith, because I believe my Bible, and spatially.
Speaker 2:But now I realize David and I are sitting right here in two chairs on this beautiful day in Jacksonville and we are seated with Christ in heavenly places. Come on Right here now, come on. So, if we just sat here long enough and quiet enough, there's a question and Paul says about, and so that's in ephesians 2, but then he goes on. Ephesians 3, 10.
Speaker 2:One amazing scripture, and one of my favorites is and to illuminate for everyone the stewardship of this mystery which, for the ages and that that would be a word, eon, which comes from the hebrew word olam, and we're going to talk about that probably in part two for ages past, was kept hidden remember that ages and was kept hidden in God, who created all things. His purpose was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to the eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus, our Lord. So all of this, this was his purpose that we would not only understand this, but that we would be able to express the Father to that realm, us, the ecclesia.
Speaker 1:It's not just a new thought.
Speaker 2:No, it's the eternal. Paul says according to the eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus. Purpose, prothesis, the actual reason, the showbread why Jesus is, was and always will be, so to speak. Yes, is the eternal purpose. In Romans, in Romans 8, the word you know who love God and are called according to his purpose. It's a Greek word, prothesis, and it means it is used four times in the New Testament for showbread, which is a shadow in the tabernacle of the Christ, of the bread of life.
Speaker 2:If you will, I'm getting sidetracked, but the eternal purpose is Christ, it is the Christ throughout eternity and we have to have this power and the gifts of the Holy Spirit that came at Pentecost to to operate in that Ephesians 3.10 place. That's where the, that's why the gifts are needed. They're not just needed to encourage, exhort and edify though they are for that but the gifts in general, the apostolic, the teaching, all of the gifts, the. You know 1 Corinthians, 12 gifts. You know the Romans 12 gifts. You know Ephesians 4. They have their purposes but they're all absolutely necessary that we would operate in unity as a body so that we can do this Ephesians 3.10 and actually operate in that realm which Jesus modeled this in an incredible way. If you think about it, then I may just move around, but if you think about it, go ahead, david.
Speaker 1:You're going to notice that there's some exterior noise. We're podcasting outside today again, because it's such a beautiful day. So if you hear an airplane going by our car, we're very aware of that and just work with it, go with it, flow with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jesus demonstrated so much of this. What he did was I, I believe was to demonstrate this overlapping of the realms here, and of course we know thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. But he didn't. At the mount of transfiguration, and I wanted you we're going to talk about olam, this hebrew word, olam and what that means by the second path. But Jesus, at the Mount of Transfiguration, where he brought past, he brought Elijah and Moses from the past.
Speaker 2:The apostles didn't quite know how to talk about it, except to use this word transfigured, because it just became light. What they were seeing was him in that realm, it just became light. What they were seeing was was him in that realm, with elijah in that realm and with moses in that realm. It would impact peter so much that on his, his life, one of his, his last letter close to dying, he would say as his testimony of many things he could say, he says we are bearing witness. We were with him on that holy mountain. We were there. We were there. We were there when we saw this. We saw that realm on earth. We saw it in person and we are forever. We can never not see that and we've walked, you know, and then, and then go from there. Jesus walks through a wall.
Speaker 1:He walks through a wall. He made a good a wall. You made a good point. When you see it. You can never not see it. When the reality of what you're saying becomes a reality, like Peter said, of all things he could say, he said that because he couldn't unsee it. It just impacted that deeply.
Speaker 2:And it really was a key. It was to Peter of everything he could have testified. You know to say this is truth. You know you need to get on this. He went to the mountain of transfiguration. So that's food for thought.
Speaker 2:Jesus comes from. He comes and walks on water, but he appears as a ghost. So he's appearing as if in another realm. Okay, they're in the water, the same water. They're in the boat in the natural realm. Jesus is coming as a ghost and if this is different for folks, just bear with me. But so Peter says if that's you, lord, bid me to come out there, right? So Peter actually steps from the boat in the natural into that realm and enters it, at least until he thought about it too much or you know, we exegete that in so many ways but I think until his common sense got in the way and he wound up in the natural realm on the water.
Speaker 2:This we've talked about it a lot in our what. When Connor started talking about the old way, I really wanted Bible for what he was experiencing. You know cause he was talking about the angel. You know it's the place of the, the saints and the angels. You know the, the great cloud of witnesses and I, I, I, I questioned him pretty hard, I steward him pretty, pretty tight biblically and cause, you know, I, I don biblically, and because you know I, I don't, uh, and so as I realized he was accessing this realm for sure, then we went to jeremiah 6, 16.
Speaker 2:I started going to the references to the old way, the old path, the ancient paths yeah started studying all that and and then when connor, when connor, when I showed him that he actually said he typed and this is pretty, pretty funny, but he typed good old jeremiah, he, he, he sees what connor sees. You know, you know. Stand at the crossroads 616. Stand at the crossroads and ask and ask for the good path and seek out the uh old way.
Speaker 2:seek out the old way, seek out the old ways and there will be rest for yourself, verbatim, yeah. And then, and he said and so the you know the ancient door, lift up your heads, o, you gates swing wide. So that word Olam, ancient, old, everlasting, 430 times in the Old Testament is a Hebrew word. Olam O-L-A-M is an incredible word for all you, teachers or just anybody. Here's what it means Always ancient time anymore, continuance, eternal, everlasting, long time, properly hidden or concealed. Okay, for ages, past was kept hidden in God who created all things, properly hidden or concealed. The vanishing point time out of mind, time out of mind, past or future of old, perpetual. I've got that capped. Perpetual or continual at any time is the beginning of the world and a world without end.
Speaker 2:The hebrew theology hebrew theology, not christian theology, but hebrew theology of olam is, and I'll quote, the hidden or concealed presence of god that exists, concurrent with our reality. Yeah, that's the hebrew theology now in the new testament. So every time you see ancient, everlasting old, it's going to be this word olam, which can mean whether, depending on how it's used, can mean you know, can mean always ancient time, you know of old, a long time, and then it can mean also properly hidden and concealed. It's perpetual, continual. Go ahead, david, you got something Properly hidden and concealed.
Speaker 2:Not just hidden and concealed, yes, that's good, but with a purpose behind it, properly hidden for it to be revealed at a given time and to illuminate for everyone the stewardship of this mystery which for Olam was it's going to be a word called eon now, and I'm going to get there, stick with me which for Olam past, for ages past, was kept hidden in God. That was the stewardship. He stewarded the mystery right, who created all things. His purpose was that now, through his church, through us, the body of Christ, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to the eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus, our Lord. So this Olam, so there, yes, and just the wonder of God, god, when we start looking at this, the wonder of god, just the fear of the lord will come on you when you, when you go here, it won't get, it won't get flaky, uh, it will get so holy that, uh, and you'll ask him for revelation. So now, what happened in the New Testament is New Testament?
Speaker 2:Translators had a Olam is a difficult word to translate, so they translated Olam in the New Testament as Eon or Aeon, a-e-i-o-n. Ok. So I've spent some time with this word and with the Lord on it now for about a year and I've known about it more, but in a good year since Connor really brought it to light, dave, and we've done Old Way Fellowship and named it that and this word eon. So every time you see again, eternal, everlasting ages. They're conveying some of this. Whatever this, what I just just read you about, olam they're conveying that the best they can.
Speaker 1:Okay, so they can put language to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, the greek in the new testament. So, so for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who so ever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal olam life, olam life, okay, so, olam life. So I've always. I grew up in the baptist church so that, and still I, I believe our doctrine of heaven and hell which I'm not saying coming again, I I, it's absolutely true and it's encompassed in this word, but I believe having that as a concrete doctrine has kept us from embracing all that God would have us embrace. Here I will say that I think that's a good way to say it.
Speaker 2:So have you know eons, and just go on and on. You could go in Timothy, where Paul says you were called to eternal life. Okay, so he was. We're called to heaven. We know where we will spend eternity with our loved ones. But you were called to, you were called to this hidden or concealed Ephesians three, 10, reality that the old church, I'm convinced, walked in is why it's important. Because the power of the uh, uh, because the power of what Jesus did at the cross and the grave and the resurrection, and then Pentecost, where all the elements, what we've talked about come together at that point, the power of that now in us, christ in us, not just after we die.
Speaker 1:Yes, not just after, but now.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, come on, and this word eons and I'll get into it and we may be switching to the next episode. So we have to look at it and it really kind of starts shifting things for me a little bit, but only in a good way. So eons, the etymology Fayer's has a. I have a book at home. It's like the etymological, you know, anyway, I can't even pronounce the word, but it's not only the meaning of the words, but the etymology, where the word origins come from for Thayers, which is kind of like Strong's but Thayers, and the etymology of Eon. Again, this is the word they chose to describe Olam, the Hebrew word Olam and that meaning of this.
Speaker 2:Eight, the ages that are perpetual, before time, past time, uh, properly hidden or concealed, the vanishing point, time out of mind, past or future, perpetual and continual, the beginning of the world, the world without end. So that idea of all of that, if you will, depending on the context, so hear that, depending on the context. So the word eons originally meant the vital force, or life, or breath, breath, breath. Okay, god breathed what he breathed into Adam, he breathed into Adam, he inspired his holy word. Inspired is to be breathed on. We expire, we exhale. That's expiration. We expire the last time we're dead, but inspiration is when we actually are inspired. That breath, okay. So this is where he's taking me. David is with this whole word too, so it means all of that and, and it originally meant vital force or life breath. God breathed Adam with the what the Ruach, hakadosh, what the Ruach.
Speaker 2:So I think there may be revelation on this. You know, we've let, I believe we've let other new age and other world religions steal some of this stuff from us that was created by the creator? I don't think so. I know we have. So you will find breath. You know breath work, if you will, for lack of a better word. You know breath work, uh, all through spiritual practices, right. And when we find that the Western Christian church especially, but the modern Christian church, anytime that happens we, instead of saying wait, that comes from, that comes from Jehovah, that comes from the creator of the universe. You know the God of Abraham, isaac and Jacob. You know Jesus, jesus Christ and the Holy spirit, we tend to say they're doing that, so we will run as far from that as we can.
Speaker 2:So, whether intentional or not, by default we've actually given it over and we've done that in music, you know, that's why the fiddle became devil's music, and I could teach on that for hours, you know, on why we've done it, not why, but that we have done that and I'm not questioning the motives. So here so, before we get into the next, so Acts 17,. Paul says because he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else from one man, he made every nation of men. So from this eon, right. So it comes from the eon Olam Olam. Yeah, it comes from the eon eon jesus olam. Yeah, it comes from olam jesus. It was his. It was hidden, the mystery hidden through the ages. Jesus redeems us to to that, okay, through the work of the holy Spirit at Pentecost and the resurrection and Pentecost. Now we carry that. So my prayer is that we would understand that, that the Lord would show us how to apply that, and we'll talk more about that.
Speaker 1:You know, it's a good point to take a moment and get prepared for the next episode, because the best is still yet to come. And it's all good, but things unfold, man. But sincerely, if you happen to have any thoughts, questions, concerns, please feel free to drop us a line at lifearoundthefire at gmailcom. Life Around the Fire is all one word, all lowercase letters. Lifearoundthefire at gmailcom. Or just type in lifearoundthefire and look us up on the web. We would love to hear from you, get ready for the next episode, but in the meantime, adios amigos.