Tracy Perez Follows Up Part One With: "Your Brain On Lectio Divina, No Wi‑Fi Required"!

What if the church has been running on half power—brilliant in analysis, but dim in the one faculty designed for communion with God? We sit down with Tracy Perez to explore a bold, restorative claim: the Christian life is meant to be led by the heart through a purified imagination. Not fantasy. Not trend-chasing. A scriptural, time-tested way of seeing that turns revelation into embodied practice.

We trace a surprising arc: from the vivid, image-rich pages of scripture to the prayer rhythms of the Desert Fathers, where lectio divina trained believers to picture, pray, and sing the Word until it shaped their inner world. Tracy shares how neuroscience affirms what the saints practiced—mental rehearsal activates the brain as if we lived it—making contemplation a gateway to real transformation. Along the way, Connor’s nonverbal insights challenge our assumptions about attention, language, and spiritual sensitivity, pushing us to ask deeper questions without falling for spectacle.

We also face the “great forgetting.” The Enlightenment’s fixation on what can be measured sidelined the heart’s ways of knowing. Exegesis and hermeneutics matter, but when they eclipse contemplation, faith grows thin. Our aim is integration: keep rigorous study, restore the inner eye, and let the Spirit join head and heart. Expect practical steps—silence, stillness, watchfulness, and imaging scripture—to help you cultivate a steady awareness of God in daily work and prayer. The goal isn’t a novel experience; it’s communion with the Father that renews desire, clarifies discernment, and bears fruit in action.

If this stirs something in you, journey with us. Subscribe, share this conversation with a friend hungry for a deeper life with God, and leave a review to help others find it. Your reflections shape future episodes—send questions and tell us what practice you’ll try this week.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

All right, folks, welcome back to part two of having Tracy Perez in the house again. And Tracy, as I said before, you're one of our favorite guests, but I don't really want to call you a guest really anymore, man. You're just you're uh you're you're you're part of the furniture around here now, man. Come on. And uh you know you're you're uh when you speak, something happens and people from around the nations comment. And so for the record, just so you know that that uh this particular podcast is going out to

Welcome Back And Global Reach

SPEAKER_01 0:30

close to 1700 cities now around the world, over 130 nations and all continents, and so the likelihood of somebody relating to what's being spoken about today is pretty high. And so, Tracy, I want you to have free reign to continue on from where you left off, and then we're gonna have a little conversational time in the middle portion of this.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Yeah, catch me because I I've tried having just been immersed in this book for six months, I I can get really carried away, guys. So I want to keep it, I want to articulate the the bare bones of it so that it to be clear. So this we it was always meant to be the heart. And the application for it, I believe the church is in a time of reformation or reformation. I really believe the body of Christ is in a time, David's talking about that, of reformation. And in all humility, I believe this is mine and Connor's part of that, that we would, and we've called our congregation the old way fellowship for for years now because we are modeling from the early church, and what does that mean? And so for me, what we're talking about

It Has Always Been About The Heart

SPEAKER_00 1:41

today is a large part of that, is how they actually thought, you know, what was their theology, and it was very much, you know, biblically, completely biblically and culturally, for a long time, was the heart. It was not this rational intellectual mind. And so where that's important going forward, the application of that, because all this revelation without any application really is just a so much should just sit on the shelf, if you will. I have a lot of things that I have revelation for that I know are of God, but if I don't have application for it or a theology for it, then they just stay on the shelf until I do. But the imagination is one now that we there that the theology is there for this purified imagination. I'll add to that, because we've we talked about the power of it earlier, but it's always been about the heart, and that's why we are going to see as part of the rev reformation such an emphasis from the Father on heart healing, inner healing, on deliverance. Because so that we will operate from the imaging capacity of healed hearts, the purified imaging capacity of delivered hearts, okay? That we will not be operating from hearts, operating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, even if that's due to doctrinal error or yeah, or anything like that. So I just kind of I want to, you know, I have a real burden for truth, but I also have a low tolerance for flakiness and and and I want to see, you know, that we not lose foundational things. To me, the this imagination, this imagination is extremely found, it's just foundational.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Foundational.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

It is foundational. This is not esoteric to me anymore. This is not esoteric meant for a few people. This is how we were created by our Father. How he meant it to happen, okay, was through purified the imaging capacity of our hearts to be purified, that the eyes of your heart would be enlightened through Christ, so that I would know all wisdom, knowledge, revelation, glory, you know, that the Father would have for me. Okay. It wasn't that I would, you know, that I would. So I I just want to be kind of clear on that. So I started asking the question, again, another question. If it's all been always been about the heart, why have I been taught for 30 years that it's a battle in my mind? Okay. In all the books, it's a battle in my mind. Take every thought, you know, caught thought captive. That would be, anyway, you can study it out. I want to get too far in the woods, but the our rational mind was created, so the imaging capacity of the heart, the now, which is translated mind throughout scripture, be there transformed by the renewing of that imaging capacity of your heart. Okay? Be transformed by that, okay? And then the way we think and act will follow, okay? Because they'll flow from pure hearts. God looks on the heart, he sees the heart of man, right? He doesn't look on the outward appearance, he looks on the heart, because that's amen. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

That was

Purified Imagination And Application

SPEAKER_01 4:49

that that that that that that leads to a question that I have. And it it regards in regards to, okay, now walk me through if you if you can the the the why it's important for us to have a alive imagination, an active, healthy imagination. What I mean, okay, so we have a healthy imagination. What happens as a result of that?

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Yeah, so Romans 1.20, God's invisible attributes are clearly known by that which he has created. Okay? So I've always had a bit of a I've always been an a ma you know, I had an imaginary friend. I'm a poet, imagery, and imaginate my imagination is vivid. Like I said, I've been accused of, you know, I can be accused of being out to lunch, you know, at at any given minute most of my life, you know. And so I've uh that being said, that God's invisible attributes are clearly known by that which He has created. We are meant to commune with an invisible father.

unknown 5:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Okay. And so my question was always, well, how how does that even happen? You know? I'm taught to do all my communication through my lips to somebody's ears, and Alba doesn't have those. Right. So how do I do that? And we know we do it through prayer, and I'm not trying to be facetious, but we do it through prayer. So now my prayer can come out of my imagination. As I read scripture, and I'll get into the desert fathers and people that I've been studying the way they did it. The scriptures were meant to be imaged or imagined, if you will. They are it's not a how-to book. It's, you know, consider a man who built his house on sand and the storms blew, right? And the storms blew and the sand washed away, or he built his house on the rocks and the storms blew. So we were meant to read that and picture that, hear the wind blow it, hear we'll see the sand falling out, all that. And I'm a musician and I've done a lot of concerts, and if I I rehearse in my head for concerts, okay? I have learned to rehearse in my head. Athletes rehearse in their heads. They rehearse courses, they rehearse what they're going to do in their heads, right? Well, we have come so far in neuroscience now that we are finding out that when you rehearse something in your mind, it triggers the same part of the brain to the same intensity as if you are experiencing it. Okay. That because, and these are creation principles. And uh, and this is new stuff, but that's a creation principle. So I can actually uh here I'm gonna go. I'm just gonna go. It's in the book, y'all, and you can buy, but you you may not want to buy the book after hearing this. Oh, you want to buy the book, guarantee you want to buy the book. But it's how we can what I'm seeing now, this is how through my imagination, to your question, how do I apply it, David? I believe it is the way we can truly embody scripture. Hallelujah. It's how I can experience scripture and therefore embody holy scripture.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

While you while you were talking, this thought came to my mind that I want to share it and see if it lands in the area that we're talking about. A king's kingdom first starts in his heart. Yeah, there you go. What comes from his heart is what

Why A Living Imagination Matters

SPEAKER_01 8:16

his kingdom is. His pleasure, his plans, his purposes all start with his imagination. Yeah. And it's a kingdom thing. Yeah. King's kingdom is first starts in his heart.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Yeah. Which has uh d different capacities. It's it's the heart that is formed, the center of a person, the image and capacity, which is how we're created to become so 2 Corinthians 3 18. Let's just let's just let's I probably should have it totally memorized, but I don't I don't want to go with that. So it is it is it talks about Moses, of course, with the veil, but now the Lord is the Spirit, okay, what we're talking about. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we who with unveiled faces all reflect or gaze, if you will, different translations. This is NIV that I pulled off David's desk. And we who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord who is spirit. Okay? So this these scriptures are talking about the image and capacity of a heart to gaze on the Father to become like him, because Jesus is the express image, right? Right. Hebrews, Hebrews 1, right? Right. Or two. It may be you guys forgive me a little bit, I'm getting excited. But you know, the G Jesus is. So for us, so the way we apply it now is by imagination, the desert fathers, so Connor and his friends, Connor has this the old way that Connor has and his nonverbal friends with autism have a an extremely extraordinary grasp and sight into the spirit realm. And for the last 10 years that he's been communicating on an iPad, and these other kids have been communicating, we have been stewarding the things that they're communicating. And now this is starting to come out. And where it came out, and I don't want to go too far in this, but it it's important for the church, is a year ago, this time of last year, in December of 24, January 25, and February 25, the most watched podcast in the world was a podcast called The Telepathy Tapes, okay? Which was a Harvard professor, Diane Powell, who had spent 30 years. She's a neuroscience, neuroconsciousness, not neuroscientist, she's a neuroconsciousness Harvard professor, okay? She's a nur, she's a consciousness person, right? But she's been studying, you know, she had a heart for these kids, and she knew there was something there for three decades. She studies nonverbal kids for savant with autism for savant syndrome. And what she found is that they have the ability to know their caregivers' and loved ones' thoughts.

unknown 11:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Which we knew about Connor went from the date from about three months in typing, because he could answer questions that I hadn't asked him yet. David types with him and he answers questions that David hasn't asked, okay? And I asked him how that happens, and he said, I hear thoughts. Okay, so all of that I had to I had to have theology for this. Okay. How is that happening? And it's a it's a it's it's through the imagination, but it's through it's through this spiritual sensitivity that we were created with, but I was able to actually communicate with Diane Powell without going into too, you know, too much stories of it, too much of the backstory. And I asked her what you know why, why, and she wants to do more studies, and Connor could be maybe a part of that. And I so I was asking her motives for it. She said, Well, I want to bring dignity to them. And I thought, yes, I like that. She said, but really what I believe, Tracy, now this is a non-Christian 30 years consciousness, right? Neuroconsciousness per uh scholar, highly intelligent lady. She said, I believe we were all born with this ability until we develop language. Okay? And then we start to lose it. You mentioned the muscle that atrophies, and that we lose it when we develop language, okay?

unknown 12:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

That ability, which is Connor said, it's not about telepathy, it's about Jesus. Jesus knew the thoughts of men.

Imaging Scripture And Embodiment

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Jesus knew the thoughts of the Pharisees. He knew what was in their hearts, right? Right. He operated on that level. Okay. So that blew up in my spirit when she said that, because I just knew that was true. You know, as imagine my imaginary child, everything in me knew that that was true. And here I'm one of the biggest talkers in the world. So I, you know, I've lost totally gone. So where that took me, where that led me, I have studied a group of people called the Desert Fathers. And they were priests, theologians, they were priests, theologians, philosophers, seekers, intellectuals of the late 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries that influenced the church, other than the Jesus, Paul, and the apostles, and a couple early church fathers there, the desert fathers, influenced the early church. They influenced Augustine, who influenced Cow, you know, on and on, but they had more influence than any, you know, over theology, one, you know, than than anybody. Arian, we call uh one of, and he wasn't a desert father, but he was earlier than them, a Rygen, the father of theology, and he called this imaging capacity of the heart. They all spoke about it and wrote volumes on it. He called it the bridge between the visible and invisible. He called it the first temple where we see God, is that imaging capacity of the heart, okay? Augustine of Hippo calls it the single eye. The single eye. Gregory of Nisa, who wrote, whose writing on the Trinity is in the is what we use for the Nicene Creed, okay? So these are foundational fathers in the Christian faith. He called it, what did Gregory call it? He called it the inner eye. He called it where it's he called it where we ascend to become the image. And he wrote volumes on, he and his brother Basil of Caesarea wrote volumes on the mirror and the imaging of 2 Corinthians 3.18. Right. So the eyes of our heart, becoming what we behold, they all had a deep and profound understanding of this imaging capacity of the heart we're talking about that was integral to their walk as Christians. So what so Diane Powell says that because Connor and his friends never developed language, because not Connor's non-verbal. He's not non-intelligent, he's profoundly intelligent, he's just non-verbal because he never developed language. He seems to have this profound acuity, okay? So the Desert Fathers, here's what they did. They left, they were quite prominent, they were quite prominent in Alexandria and Constantinople, the theological centers of their day, left to go live in single hut dwellings with scrolls, the scripture, and write commentaries on the Bible and living in silence, solitude, and stillness. And they've written volumes on that. So what they did, they became the wisdom of the early church. People from all over the world sought the Desert Fathers out for their spiritual wisdom. The church was formed on that. And what they did is they, I had a Jesuit mentor when I was just a baby Christian, and I was pursued, I pursued, I've always pursued God hard. So I would fast, I would do this, I'd read, you know, just go above and beyond. You know, it was just almost boring. But it's he said, if you want to know the most effective discipline for hearing God, take a vow of silence. And that always stuck with me. So when this came around with Connor and the Dead of the Father in the book, that I remembered, I remembered my old mentor and the vow of silence as a way, as a discipline, discipleship as a discipline that they created. So stillness, awareness, watchfulness. I don't want to, I can't go into it all in this length of time, but the silence of Connor and his friends. So I I wrote a post on Facebook the other day that said the Desert Fathers chose silence. Connor and his friends had it chosen for them, but they both wound up in the same place. That's that's so rich, Tracy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

I I got I got I got an agenda. No, please. No, I got an agenda, brother. I don't want to talk to you about it. Oh, no, no, no, no. This is in conjunction with what you're saying. But it's

Connor, Telepathy Tapes, And Insight

SPEAKER_01 16:54

ironic that you mention what you just mentioned about the Desert Fathers now. And we didn't talk about this about the Desert Fathers ahead of time. But prior to you talking about them, I heard in my heart. You know how when you're listening to somebody, the mortals come right alongside what they're saying, and you're gonna be talking to you about something as well. I felt that thing happening inside of me, considering what you're talking about before you talked about it. I believe I heard him say to me that by practicing external stimulation disciplines where you don't allow yourself to have external stimulations, yeah, it will enhance the inner hearing and seeing. Because we are so accustomed to having things stimulate us constantly in the Western world. Yeah. And if we withdraw ourselves from those stimuli and we fast, part of our fasting would be silent. Solidity. Stillness. And stillness because that removes the external stimulus, stimulation, and allows the imagination to form or develop further.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

It does, which is the imagination which brings greater depth of communion with the Father and what have you. So they had watchfulness, you know, there was watchfulness. They they actually, it was called Lecto Divina, which is how they read scripture. They prayed scripture out loud. They would pray it out loud, they would sing it out loud, they would picture it first. They had this whole process that's easily documented. You know, anyone can find it. It's you know, they left uh archives of literature. They aura labora was their work, their worship, their work was worship. So they lived, they lived simple lives with scripture, and they would garden, of course, they had to have food, and you know, just taking care of days, but their work, their worship was aura pray and work at the same time. Because they were you you the you started with the question of how do we apply this? Well, we apply it in everything we do by paying. So stillness, stillness is not a lack of movement, because we have a busy society, stillness is an increased awareness. So when I begin that God's invisible attributes are made known by that which He's created, you, me, everything around me, right? When I start becoming a focus my awareness on that, then I'm focusing my awareness on the Father all the time. Right? I'm not just focusing my awareness on and and Connor adds so much of this to the story, guys. So, so solitude, stillness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Wow. Well, Connor's here, and then that's him kind of whistling in the back. I want to thank you for the revelations that you shared with your dad, that he's sharing with us, that you shared with me. Thank you, brother. I really appreciate that. And that's yeah, that's Connor whistling in the background. Can you say thank you, Connor? Thank you. Yeah. Oh man. And uh, David, you're praying in the background here. Thank you, brother, for you being here and praying, man. Because uh there are people whistling right now that are being impacted as a result of your prayers.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

Yeah. Oh, can you please continue on? No, well, I I'm not sure. Help me with a question, maybe, David. Uh, where were we?

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Back to the desert fathers and the fact that that that that the internal quietness.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Yeah, that's why because because of Connor's and his friend's spiritual acuity, and then the connection of when we developed language from the time is it's almost like I developed language. That's how we all communicate, you know, now is verbally. So that our our seeing ability, because we're talking about this imaging ability to image, you know, to see, it it gets forgotten. And so what happened? Oh, I know whatever I want to go really quick. So I asked the question, where, why have I been taught on the battle of the mind for 30 years? Right. And nothing about, you know, the heart has been, you know, I've heard the heart is wicked above all things, which we know is an old covenant, but still you'll have you'll have quite a few people that will not only dismiss the imagination, but they'll dismiss the heart. If you know, how many times have you heard from the pulpit? Well, God has feelings, but but you know, so in my 30 years of of walking with the Lord, the heart,

Desert Fathers And Silence

SPEAKER_00 21:20

not only the imagination has been theologically distrusted, but the heart has been separated as this a seat of emotions and since that, and then the mind is a separate thing. Theology is a separate thing, right? Wow, separate from that. Yeah, and that is absolutely backwards of what the Bible teaches, okay? Paul opened the eyes of our hearts. That's completely backwards from the from all scripture, okay? And that's a hard pill to swallow after 30 years. So I the question was how did that happen? Well, it's quite easy to find out. The largest cultural shift in history, possibly, besides the Tower of Babel, besides the Tower of Babel, the largest cultural shift in history was called the Age of Enlightenment. In the 1700s, Isaac Newton discovers gravity. The laws of physics are pouring forth. The printing press is starting to be, Gutenberg's printing press is being used all over the world. So communication has opened up much like it is now. Medicine is starting to be discovered. Astronomy, the laws of astronomy, the earth is no longer flat, you know, and we're understanding why through the stars and the moon and and and the cosmos. All that understanding's coming. And with that comes, instead of the wonder of God, it goes back in that Romans 1.20, the invisible, God's invisible attributes are clearly made known are clearly known by that which He has created. One of my favorite scriptures ever. Okay. So instead of so as as all of the science and all these things that should have just been added to the wonder of God. Right. And confirm the wonder of God and the power and the majesty of the Father, all those things, what happened was quite the opposite. What happened was anything that was true, all truth, now became had to be proven empirically. It had to be reasonable, logical, it had to be able to be proven either mathematically, culture, you know, it had to be seen. They called it the age of reason. Thomas Paine, found father of America, you know, the common sense that sparked our revolution, wrote a book called The Age of Reason. He was a deist that believed in the supreme God, Yahweh, but Yahweh did not act supernaturally. And that the miracles in the Bible and all the supernatural stuff in the Bible was man-made as a way to control the masses, right? And then you know, so that's the culture we have been in since the 1700s. So now, instead of the way the desert fathers image the scripture, right, Lecto Divina, okay, instead of the way they studied scripture, Lecto Divina, we have to institute, because of the laws of the age of reason and anything else that's superstitious, we have to institute systematic theology, hermeneutics, and our exegesis now becomes we have to prove it contextually, we have to prove it culturally, all that, which don't get me wrong, folks, there is nothing wrong with adding that to it. But when it became that or nothing, I have a quote in the book bar I should have his name on the top of my head. Heck is his last name, A GK. He's a he's one of the top apologists in the world, and he is coming out against Lecto Divino as a you know as a as a form of scripture study. He's an apologist, systematic, you know, theologian, you know, world-renowned current apologist. And he says it's just it concentrates too much on the spiritual. That's what he says. That's what my that's what I did. But he's being serious. So, and he's talking about preaching. So Lecto Divina, I will draw it in because I want to bring balance to this, is not would not be necessarily the way you want to preach to a congregation. Okay. Exegesis to congregations very much will need hermeneutics and context and cultural, all that. Sure. But not at the not at the loss of the spiritual aspect of scripture, right? One or it should not be. So I call that the great forgetting. What happened is we everything became and still is even today. There is a statue in Edinburgh, Scotland, okay, where John Knox and the Covenanters, if you've never heard of the Scottish Covenanters, John Knox changed Europe, England. Queen of Queen Mary of Scott said, Queen Mary Scott said, I would rather fight all of France than than have John Knox praying against me. And she she they hung they hung hundreds of Scottish Covenanters. It was called the A Big Killing, a

Stillness, Awareness, And Practice

SPEAKER_00 26:04

bunch of Scottish Covenanters that were killed in that time in Scotland, and right there in Edinburgh, right in that place where that happened. There are no big memorials to John Knox or the Covenanters. There is a big statue that even today people go and touch the toe of this huge statue, and it's a statue of David Hume, who was a top philosopher of the age of enlightenment. And in one hand, and so he's sitting, a big marble big statue, and he has his left foot on a Bible. Left foot on a Bible, and his right hand he's holding several books, okay? And the books that he's holding are Skepticism, Reason, and Logic. And his other foot, his foot is on the Bible. He's not ground, he's it goes to show he's putting the Bible down. Down. And he was, he was, he is idolized even now in Scotland. It's good luck to touch the toe of the statue of David Him. Okay? So thousands of Turks that come through Edinburgh will touch. Not me, man. Not me. And it shows the power of the age of enlightenment where we lost, where we lost the heart of Scripture. Now too. Where we lost the heart of the Bible, where we lost the heart of being a Christian.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

If you if you if you had, like say you got two minutes to share what is really the heart and soul of what you're talking about. Well how could you how could you or could you sum it in a way sum it up in a way that would be that yeah, that means I have two minutes, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:43

So so yes. I believe I can. I have had to repent and change myself personally, okay? So it will start with a di with a repentance and understanding that we have gotten, that we have culturally and theologically been operating with half. So I'm not gonna say none of, but maybe half of what we were meant to operate with, okay? The body of Christ since the age of enlightenment has been operating with half of what we were supposed to be operating with. So I don't want to say throw out, you know, then we're just as guilty as them, right? You know, but so if I could, I just I I just if that as this becomes my hope, what my prayer would be as this comes into the consciousness and the awareness of the body of Christ, that we start incorporating that into what we do as a body, and we legitimize theologically the imagination, and we and we don't go overboard either way. We don't go overboard with the imagination. We, you know, we take everything we've learned here by 2026 and we let Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. And I really feel I had a burden because the new age, the telepathy tapes and all that, the new age, the clairvoyance, the ESP people, the they are this is a viral podcast. That means more people watched this podcast than Joe Rogan for three months. Or Sean Ryan. It's one of the ten top podcasts in the world. Okay, millions and millions of people have a hunger. God, the Father placed eternity in the hearts of every man. Okay. He didn't put it in our minds, he placed it in our hearts. He put eternity in the He placed eternity in the hearts of every man to be revealed in us through Jesus Christ. Paul said in Galatians, and when God, and when God it God's good time to reveal Christ in me. Okay. So so there's a bunch of books in this one book, but I think what I want to, I want to see those people and people who think that that's more attractive than Jesus Christ, take another look. That's what I really hope would happen through all of this, that they'll take another look and they will have permission to say this Christianity thing, because it is. It is the truth, okay? We've we've talked about it here, but that the new age, as long as we're operating out of self, as long as we're operating out of self, then we're worshiping the created. You know, if we stop on telepathy

The Great Forgetting: Enlightenment Shift

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or the imagination and the encounter and all that, then we're still stopping at the created instead of the creator, and we're doing the same thing that reprobate humanity tends to do in Romans 1, right? So my I hope that the what you've heard today will give you permission to look further at Jesus Christ, at the imagination as the vessel when purified through Jesus Christ, as the way to commune with the Creator of the universe, who will lead you into all John 6.45, Jesus says, No one comes to me unless the Father draws him. And then there's a scripture right after that that we don't quote very often, and it says, and then he will teach you all things. John 6.45. Hallelujah says, No one comes to me unless the Father draws him, and then he will teach you all things. Okay? So my prayer is that I'll just, should I pray now to bring this home? You you you bring it home, brother, you pray it now. That would be my prayer is that everything we've heard here today would just bring us closer to to the Father. That this is not about spiritual experience, this is not about revelation, this is not about encounter. It is about communion with the Father. It is us learning how to gaze on the one who gazes on us, that we will become like him as we behold his glory, that we become like him, which is what he intended all along, and that this what you've heard today will somehow put you deeper on that journey. And if you've never been on this journey because you thought it it had no place for you because of its doctrinal limitations, then I hope this would actually get you to look further, or even take this to some friends who you know are just like that. And that would be my prayer in Jesus' name. Amen. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

There's a scripture that says He restores my soul. And I wouldn't be surprised if that would include our imagination. That God is the one who restores things that have been lost. And Tracy, I want to thank you for sharing what you shared today. And there's so much more. And when the book becomes available, yeah, we'll announce it on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

I will let you know, yeah. I'm I'm actually switching to a website just of my own because I want to have uh which will be a teaching platform too, so that we can we'll all go together and really hash this over. Man, well, we look forward to it.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

And so, folks, we love you. Yes. And if you have any thoughts, questions, concerns, as always, you could type in life around the fire at gmail.com. That's our email address, and fire us um out an email, or you can type in life around the fire and look us up on the web. We would love to hear from you. In the meantime, God bless you. Adios, amigos.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

And one and one other thing, David would won't say this very often, but if you are not, if you feel led $10, $20, $30, $50, whatever you might feel led to support David on a monthly basis to keep this going, would be a godly thing. Wow. That was that would be a right that would be a righteous thing. That would be a righteous thing, okay?

unknown 33:40

Woo!

SPEAKER_00 33:41

There's my hammer.

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My brother from another mother right there. They have the same father. Well, folks, again, we love you, and Tracy, we love you. You're welcome here all the time, anytime, okay? And take it easy, and we'll talk again. God bless you. Bye now.