In this episode, Joel, Kendell, Ange, Molly Magill and the participants will have a conversation with Steve about what to expect to find in the upcoming 4th edition of the MI book. Bring your questions and ideas to share with Steve and everyone.
In this episode, Joel, Kendell, Ange, Molly Magill and the participants will have a conversation with Steve about what to expect to find in the upcoming 4th edition of the MI book. Bring your questions and ideas to share with Steve and everyone.
05:55:05 From Mindy Boccio : That's wonderful news!
05:55:49 From Charlotte Hilton : Hello everyone : )
05:55:55 From Milton Fuentes : Greetings from New Jersey, USA
05:55:56 From Florence DA SILVA : Hello everybody ! Florence in France.
05:56:18 From Kate Speck : Hello from Lincoln Nebraska - Kate Speck
05:56:22 From Florence DA SILVA : yesss !!! hi joel !
05:56:23 From Margaret Struthers to Hosts and panelists : Hi from sunny Oldham
05:56:24 From Lea Polkinghorne to Hosts and panelists : Hello from Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada
05:56:24 From Georgi Vasilev : Hello from Bulgaria! Georgi
05:56:30 From Lisa Glynn : Good morning! Seattle, WA, USA.
05:56:32 From Chaya Halberstam to Hosts and panelists : Hello! Chaya from Brooklyn
05:56:37 From Martin Justice : Hello from Indiana - USA
05:56:38 From Thomas stein : helllllllo0o0o0o0o0o everyone from Rochester,NY!!!
05:56:38 From Matthew Levine : Hello, Matthew Levine, from Edinburg, Texas
05:56:41 From Victoria Brown : Lancaster, PA, USA
05:56:42 From Jackie Schoening : hello from Wisconsin
05:56:46 From Aimee LeCours : Aimee LeCours from Central Florida
05:56:48 From Marzie De Pangher : Hello from Vancouver BC
05:56:49 From Christopher Mathews to Hosts and panelists : Hello from San Diego
05:57:00 From Tina Vaughan : Hello from Dorset, UK
05:57:04 From Chris Davies : Hello from Northern Virginia, USA.
05:57:10 From Christopher Wagner : Hi from Richmond, Virginia, US
05:57:19 From Patrick Berthiaume : Bonjour everyone!
05:57:20 From Christopher Wagner : Hi peeps!
05:57:30 From Michelle Miller : Greeting from Asheville, NC
05:57:36 From Dawn Zeaphey : Greetings from Colorful Colorado!
05:57:42 From Susan Russell to Hosts and panelists : Medina OH
05:57:45 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel to Hosts and panelists : Hey everyone! Michelle from your PPC calling in from the Ozarks today!
05:57:45 From Elizabeth Egan : Hello, joining from Switzerland this evening!
05:57:46 From Tipene Pickett : Kia ora from Aotearoa
05:57:49 From Darren Jones to Hosts and panelists : Darren from the UK
05:57:51 From Pascaline Brion to Hosts and panelists : Hello everyone from France
05:57:54 From Scott Boyles to Hosts and panelists : San Diego, CA
05:58:08 From Fiona Holland : Hello from the sunny Peak District, Derbyshire, England
05:58:22 From Rik Bes to Hosts and panelists : Hi all! Rik from Netherlands
05:58:23 From Maryna Sorokina : Hi from Greece!
05:58:29 From Jennifer Wyatt : Hello from Seattle, WA USA!
05:58:31 From Mike Howard : Good evening from a bright and sunny West Wales š
05:58:33 From Mark Turnbull : Hello from Newcastle, UK. Very excited about this session.
05:58:35 From Vince Knight : Hi All, Vince in Oxfordshire :)
05:58:36 From Melike Simsek : Hello everyone, this is Melike from Istanbul, Turkey šāāļø
05:58:38 From rosa thomas : Hello from Corte Madera CA
05:58:39 From jesus vela to Hosts and panelists : Hello from Texas
05:58:45 From clive Tobutt : Hello from London UK
05:58:47 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : Hey everyone! Michelle from your PPC! Calling in from the Ozarks today š
05:58:55 From jesus vela to Hosts and panelists : Rio grande valley
05:58:56 From Allison scott : Hi from Twillingate, Newfoundland, Canada
05:58:57 From Motlagomang Hilda Zulu to Hosts and panelists : Good evening this is Hilda Zulu from SOUTH AFRICA
05:58:58 From Kathleen Reims : Great to see everyone!
05:59:00 From Russell Calderwood : Hi from Cardiff, Wales
05:59:03 From Arik Yox : Hello from Virginia!
05:59:05 From Lynn Sones : Hello from Ottawa Ontario Canada, this is Lynn Sones
05:59:06 From Valerie Knight : Hi everyone from Oxford UK
05:59:06 From Sergio van der Pluijm : Hello everyone! Greetings from the Netherlands!
05:59:11 From Li-Lo Sahlberg : Hello from a sunny evening I Stockholm, Sweden //Li-Lo
05:59:14 From Margaret Struthers : So many locations. Great to see. I am in. Oldham UK. For once Sunny and fine!
05:59:15 From Gillian Martin : Hello from Dublin Ireland!
05:59:17 From Motlagomang Hilda Zulu to Hosts and panelists : good
05:59:19 From Judith Wilson : Hello, from Rio Grande Valley, Texas!
05:59:20 From Bertha Katjijova : Hi,Bertha from Namibia
05:59:24 From Manuel Paris to Hosts and panelists : Hello from CT
05:59:30 From Monica Gilbert to Hosts and panelists : Hello from Miami!
05:59:33 From Heather Fultpb : Hello from Vancouver, Canada!
05:59:34 From Cecilia Lanier to Hosts and panelists : From Huntsville Alabama! The rocket city!
05:59:38 From Monica Hoen Island : Hello from Norway!
05:59:43 From Christopher Wagner to Hosts and panelists : Joel, you'lre looking a bit blurry on my end... unless you have some blemish-blurring features on...
05:59:44 From David Koss : David Koss, SMART Recovery, Washington DC (originally from Michigan. Go Blue!)
05:59:44 From David Rosengren to Hosts and panelists : Hello from Seattle and itās sunny. Whoād have thunk it!
05:59:49 From Cecilia Lanier to Hosts and panelists : I live in Madison, outside of Huntsville!
05:59:50 From Cassandra Lozano to Hosts and panelists : Cassandra Lozano from Brownsville, Texas
05:59:56 From Stacey Leakey to Hosts and panelists : Hello from Tulsa OK
06:00:07 From Joachim Kƶrkel : Hello from Germany
06:00:09 From Sam Hague-barrett : Hi from sunny Bristol UK
06:00:11 From James Hoey : Hello from Gold Coast, Australia
06:00:11 From Christopher Wagner to Hosts and panelists : haha yes better!
06:00:27 From Crystal Peters to Hosts and panelists : Hi from northern Saskatchewan (Canada)
06:00:29 From Hoyt Roberson : Hello from New Mexico
06:00:32 From Jonnae Tillman to Hosts and panelists : Hello from Seattle
06:00:34 From Bob Jope : Hello from Massachusetts, USA!
06:00:36 From Alex Jones : Good evening everyone!
06:00:37 From Pam Burke : Cheers from Boston!
06:00:40 From Margarita Durham : Hello from Seattle, WA USA
06:00:43 From Joyce Borremans : Cheers from Belgium!
06:00:44 From Holly Ladd to Hosts and panelists : Hello from Bend, OR
06:00:44 From Derek Jorden : What a group! Iām calling in from Southeast Georgia, USA
06:00:45 From Jan Goldberg to Hosts and panelists : Good morning from California!
06:00:46 From Larisa Constantinou : Hello from Cyprus
06:00:48 From Hanna Morrell : Hello from Salem, Oregon!
06:00:48 From Rachel Verhagen : Hi from Miami, FL USA!
06:00:50 From Ekaterina Klochkova : Hello from Saint Petersburg,Russia
06:00:50 From Mike Porteous : Hi from Shoreham-by-sunny-sea, Sussex UK
06:00:51 From Karsten Wagner : Hi from Germany
06:00:55 From Sheree Stilwell : Good afternoon. I am from a suburb of Chicago, IL USA
06:00:58 From Jan Goldberg : Hi from California!
06:01:02 From Isabella Dubose : Hello from Quincy, Florida!!!!
06:01:07 From Alex Jones : Hello from the UK :-)
06:01:07 From Eva Nordstrand to Hosts and panelists : Hi from Sweden
06:01:08 From Ed Haycraft to Hosts and panelists : Hello from Iowa City!
06:01:12 From jenny lindrot : Hi from Stockholm :)
06:01:13 From Saskia Nab to Hosts and panelists : Hello from the Netherlands
06:01:14 From Bridgette Franklin : Hello from Kansas City, Missouri
06:01:17 From Ben Ogles : hello from the Rocky Mountains of Utah
06:01:17 From David Rosengren : Hello from Seattle, where it is sunny!
06:01:23 From Sean Small : Good evening all from sunny Aberdeen, Scotland!
06:01:26 From Cynthia Osborn : Hello from Kent, Ohio, USA
06:01:34 From Jody Hereford : Howdy from Boulder, CO USA
06:01:36 From Arlene Dalcin to Hosts and panelists : Hello from sunny Ashland Oregon
06:01:39 From Christopher Dedner to Hosts and panelists : Hello from Germany!
06:01:40 From Sueanne Theriault : Hello from Woodstock, New Brunswick :) Sunny here as well!
06:01:42 From Vanessa Cantillano to Hosts and panelists : Hi,Vanessa from Chile
06:01:51 From Mindy Hohman : Hi from cold and rainy Southern California! Mindy Hohman
06:02:04 From Michelle Drapkin : Hi from New Jersey - USA!
06:02:11 From PrzemysÅaw SzczygieÅ : Hello from Poland:)
06:02:16 From Suzanna Cooper : Hello from Fort Collins Colorado!
06:02:25 From Sue EckMaahs : Hi all from Minneapolis, MN, USA
06:02:27 From Molly Rath : Hi from sunny Buffalo, NY - USA!
06:02:28 From judith carpenter to Hosts and panelists : Good evening all from Derbyshire, UK
06:02:31 From Sandy Francis to Hosts and panelists : Hi all - from Somerset UK
06:02:34 From Shanta Wilson : Hello from Quincy Florida
06:02:34 From Heidi Brightmore : Hello from Auckland, New Zealand!
06:02:36 From Peter Rives : Hi friends! Peter Rives here in Winston-Salem, NC, USA!
06:02:43 From Kenneth Johnson : hello from NC USA
06:02:58 From Kendelle Bond to Joel Porter(Direct Message) : can you make me cohost?
06:03:09 From Julie Blanco : Hello from St. Louis, MO USA
06:03:11 From David Rosengren : Steve - Will it be 3 or 4 Processes and will it be Processes or Tasks?
06:03:57 From Page Snow to Hosts and panelists : HOLA Fairfield, CT
06:04:16 From judith carpenter to Hosts and panelists : Steve hope you will be able to speak to the subject of simple and complex affirmations in MI4
06:04:17 From George Brenner : Hello from Indianapolis Indiana USA from George
06:04:34 From Elena De Cardenas : Hello from Florida.
06:04:43 From Bill Matulich to Hosts and panelists : Hey from San Diego
06:05:06 From David Rosengren : Nice depth reflection, Steve.
06:05:06 From Amanda Meinhardt : ata mÄrie from Tamaki Makaurau, New Zealand
06:05:24 From Dawn Zeaphey to Hosts and panelists : I'm hoping you have me muted. I didn't see the option and I have a barking dog ugh.
06:06:04 From todd roberts : Good afternoon from Cedar Rapids iowa
06:06:35 From Kendelle Bond to Dawn Zeaphey and all panelists : we canāt hear your dog Dawn so donāt worry
06:06:38 From Kendelle Bond to Dawn Zeaphey and all panelists : š
06:06:42 From Elizabeth Egan : MI for Gen Z, perhaps?
06:06:45 From Patricia Juarez : Hola from Mexico!
06:06:48 From Cynthia Osborn : MI is resistance to certain cultural changes.
06:07:01 From Alex Jones : I love Molly's question especially towards compassion. thanks for asking and hopefully Steve will have an answer for you and us by the end of the webinar :-)
06:07:01 From rosa thomas to Hosts and panelists : Start with a definition of Motivational Interviewing and work backwards to Molly's questions
06:07:17 From Lene GjĆørup : Hallo from Denmark ;)
06:07:24 From Joel Porter : Thanks Rosa
06:07:30 From Jennifer Rehak : MI has always been compassionate. It is timeless.
06:07:44 From Teresa Donegan : Melinda Hohman does a nice job of talking about critical race theory and MI--Motivational Interviewing in Social Work Practice
06:07:56 From Dawn Zeaphey to Hosts and panelists : ok perfect!! thank you!!
06:08:49 From Sue EckMaahs : ...and growth! Nice addition.
06:08:50 From Jamie Lavender : A way of talking with people about change and growth in order to strengthen their motivation and commitment...
06:09:48 From judith carpenter to Hosts and panelists : Curious about where ambivalence fits into the new definiti
06:10:10 From judith carpenter to Hosts and panelists : ā¦Definition or is it implicit?
06:10:32 From David Koss : How much of what we have all learned from training and coaching that was based on the 3rd edition - will need to be learned differently - that is, how much in the 4th edition will mean that we will need to learn MI anew or differently?
06:10:58 From Fiona Holland to Hosts and panelists : So if the shift has been moved away from the term behaviour, in coding MI selecting a target behaviour is critical to using the MITI...does this change open up MI to new arenas? Does it impact coding practices at all?
06:11:48 From Hoyt Roberson : In the 3d ed, the Spirit of MI takes a more central stage in shaping the approach for the MI practitioner. Given the first question asked, does the Spirit of MI take a great role or are their nuances that could illustrate the application to changes at least in academia and the Anglo worlds? How compatible would those changes be in the non-anglo worlds?
06:12:35 From David Rosengren to Hosts and panelists : Wait, Steve is ambivalent about ambivalence. How meta!
06:12:42 From Fiona Holland to Hosts and panelists : That 's really helpful, Steve as I think some applied folks have struggled with the 'behaviour' focus. I was talking to others in education and I think this shift will really help the transferability to broader fields.
06:13:30 From Sergio van der Pluijm to Hosts and panelists : Is it true that MI is incorporating elements of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)? If yes;: what elements are they?
06:19:09 From David Rosengren : This was such a brilliant distinction and was an inflection point in understanding how we might productively use MI, especially around some of the issues that Molly inquired about.
06:19:15 From Holly Ladd : Totally clear
06:19:15 From Vanessa Cantillano to Hosts and panelists : Thanks!
06:19:46 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : Crystal Clear <3
06:19:52 From terry huriwai : like it
06:20:42 From Ed Haycraft to Hosts and panelists : I do a lot of MI Training. I would like to know what are the significant differences between 3 and 4 we need to be aware of.
06:21:40 From Stephen Rollnick : gotyouEd! I hope we cover this!
06:22:51 From Sue EckMaahs : So many times in coding/coaching, there is an important skill development piece for intentionally allowing/creating adequate space for the person determine how THEY 'define' the area of growth and change for themselves.
06:22:58 From Elena De Cardenas : yes
06:23:18 From Jamie Lavender : YES! To me that is the spirit of MI (or one of them)
06:23:19 From Sue EckMaahs : *to determine
06:23:27 From Michelle Miller : Powerful, organic, unrestrictive example and flow of and encompasses the Spirit of MI
06:24:13 From David Koss : I was advised the other day by one of my trainers that Terri Moyers has said that the best way to train individuals in MI is in include MITI based training as early in the training process as possible. I do not know if that is an accurate summary of Terri's views, but it does relate to what Molly was commenting about, in terms of the structure of MI and the benefits of coding as a way of discerning how and to what extent we are using MI well.
06:24:27 From Teresa Donegan : I've heard there is more movement away from acronyms?
06:24:37 From Balanica Florin Ioan to Hosts and panelists : MI open doors for changing to my obese patient! Change not only loosing weight! All the best from Romania!!!
06:25:03 From Scott Kerby to Hosts and panelists : That movement is being called MAFA
06:25:37 From Roy Stein to Hosts and panelists : To what extent have findings from empirical research influenced the changes reflected in MI-4?
06:25:41 From Kendelle Bond to Scott Kerby and all panelists : what is MAFA, Scott?!
06:26:02 From Scott Kerby to Hosts and panelists : Movement away from acronyms
06:26:05 From Julia Meckael-Jennings to Hosts and panelists : This is very relevant as I am about to deliver training on how to use MI in people leadership. Any advice /thoughts on how to use MI in people management?
06:26:18 From Kendelle Bond to Scott Kerby and all panelists : Thank you! Helpful š
06:26:24 From Ezra Susser : Hi Steve, once you get to issues of injustice and standing up for yourself, as with your daughter, is it fair to draw an analogy with collective efforts such as those originating with people like Paulo Freire? Sometimes these kind of changes are more feasible in colllectives. This is obviously not MI per se but the concepts might be similar.
06:27:16 From David Rosengren : Coding highlights a problem that weāve always had in the field. We measure what we can, but that doesnāt mean it measures the right things or the complexity of a situation. It seems this is an opportunity for us to grow our instruments, while remaining humble about what they do and do not do.
06:27:20 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : David Koss, that sure makes sense to me.
06:27:38 From Kendelle Bond to Julia Meckael-Jennings and all panelists : Julia - Have you seen MILO - MI in Leadership and Organisation? I can send you a link if that would be helpful
06:27:39 From Hoyt Roberson : Once I stand up for myself, how do I move toward letting others be who they are - even when I disagree with them?
06:28:13 From Julia Meckael-Jennings to Hosts and panelists : Not yet, would appreciate a link, thank you Kendelle
06:28:18 From Joel Porter to terry huriwai and all panelists : Morena Terry
06:28:26 From George Brenner to Hosts and panelists : Maybe this is an "and" issue. In most of the folks I train a "behavior change is clear" and there are folks that personal development may be a change such as becoming more environmentally conscious.
06:28:36 From Sue EckMaahs : Agree totally, David!
06:28:40 From Kendelle Bond to Julia Meckael-Jennings and all panelists : http://www.miinleadershipandorganizations.com/
06:29:03 From Larisa Constantinou : Will the recording be available?
06:29:22 From Kendelle Bond : Yes Larisa š
06:29:24 From Joel Porter to Christopher Wagner and all panelists : How about joining us for the last 30 minutes?
06:29:31 From Teresa Donegan : Well said David
06:29:48 From Dawn Zeaphey : oh wow Empowerment is the name of our MI committee!!
06:30:03 From Hoyt Roberson : Evoking spoke to 'drawing out" How does empowerment speak to that dynamic?
06:30:05 From Christopher Wagner : Directional OARS is highighted
06:30:06 From Joel Porter to judith carpenter and all panelists : want to to join us for the last 30 minutes
06:30:10 From Patricia Juarez : A minor confusion for me is that as part of the 4 components of Acceptance, we have affirmation ā¦ so what is going to be the difference when explaining affirmation vs. Empowerment?
06:30:35 From Jackie Schoening : acceptance collaboration empowerment and what was the 4th
06:30:51 From Vanessa Cantillano to Hosts and panelists : compassion
06:30:58 From Sue EckMaahs : partnership
06:30:59 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : Excited to read the new edition and how empowerment fits with MI spirit. We create an environment where people empower themselvesāI am curious how to convey this in trainingāwe cannot empower another.
06:31:06 From Jackie Schoening : thanks
06:31:10 From Peter Rives : @Jackie Compassion
06:31:16 From Christopher Wagner : Jackie 0 partnership, acceptance, compassion, empowerment
06:31:18 From Elena De Cardenas : When in the US?
06:31:20 From Sergio van der Pluijm to Hosts and panelists : Partnership and compassion: PACE
06:31:32 From David Rosengren : Oy, Steve. I think envisioning is better. Empowerment weāre using the secondary definition. The initial definition implies someone providing the power to another. The power already resides in the other.. Weāre helping them find and see it.
06:31:43 From Kendelle Bond : The book will be out in October in the UK and I think earlier in the USA - Iām not sure about other countries right now
06:31:43 From Peter Rives : Steve said "collaboration" - are we back to collaboration or still with "partnership"?
06:31:47 From Fiona Holland : That's really interesting, I wonder if there are cultural elements at play in the affirmation arena, having lived in the USA and the UK, I think they are culturally different somehow...
06:32:04 From Jamie Lavender : Thich Nath Hanh said a thing about how much Americans say no-- and when I think about praise and affirmation both, there's so little of them in people's lives. (Cheerleading is different, right, since it's for stuff that hasn't happened and may not, but praise and affirmation are for what's already happened...)
06:32:07 From Heather Fultpb : Guilford Press says Aug 2023 in North America on their website
06:32:11 From Elena De Cardenas : Thanks @Kendelle!
06:32:16 From Heather Fultpb : *Aug 23, 2023
06:32:19 From Jennifer Rehak : Ships Aug 28 in U.S. according to one website
06:32:26 From Alex Jones : I agree with David Rosengren :-)
06:32:54 From Larisa Constantinou : Are you going to release an audio version of your book, for example on Audible?
06:33:03 From Kat Urban to Hosts and panelists : Has it been found that the cultural differences impact how MI is administered?
06:33:07 From Peter Rives : No forgiveness needed!
06:33:15 From rosa thomas : Praise can start to be meaningless to children and adults if it just seems to be "knee jerk" and kind of like, if someone says hello, you respond automatically.
06:33:15 From Hoyt Roberson : Amazon: Aug 23, 2023, $65.
06:33:18 From Patricia Juarez : Hi David!!!!
06:33:21 From Charlotte Hilton : David Rosengren I like the opportunity you describe for moving beyond coding : )
06:33:56 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : I totally agreeābut Dave IS my boss lol.
06:34:14 From judith carpenter : I am with Dave R!
06:34:18 From Joel Porter : Very funny Michelle
06:34:31 From clive Tobutt : There ae also a number of models of empowerment...not just about the self...
06:34:33 From Kate Speck : Love that "Envision" David - thank you!
06:34:33 From Alex Jones : @Michelle Lynn š
06:34:34 From Christopher Wagner : I think empowerment is a very important addition. I don't see empowerment the say David is descriving it.
06:34:37 From Jamie Lavender : Yes Rosa-- I'm not into knee-jerk praise
06:34:45 From Jamie Lavender : Lol
06:35:32 From Cynthia Osborn : Appreciate very much Dave R's distinctions between empowerment and envisioning. It is what the helper does in service of the speaker.
06:35:48 From anne wittevrongel : In French Invisioning ?? I am not sure I understand that word.
06:36:12 From Patricia Juarez : that still feels like how I/we have always described "affirmation" as part of the four elements of Acceptance in the MI spirit
06:36:34 From Jamie Lavender : I also work in drug treatment and I'm not agreeing, I think being in the present is ESSENTIAL
06:36:38 From Tania Benacerraf : Accepting people where they are and meeting them where they dream.
06:37:00 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : Forward motion-hope.
06:37:02 From Joel Porter : envisioning - imagine as a future possibility; visualize.
06:37:06 From George Brenner : I disagree. As I understand empowerment, I think many don't see their own strengths and it is helpful to use affirmations as helping folks identifying their enduring strengths. Trauma might be an area to understand this.
06:37:16 From Jamie Lavender : Isn't it the paradox, that meeting people where they are then gives them a solid place from which to explore where they may want to be, in their dreaming?
06:37:21 From Li-Lo Sahlberg : I kind of think of empowerment as my believe in it. See the spirit as my position, to the other, to myself and when I have conversations about it in groups one way of seeing it is as the helpers understanding that the power is already there. The again English is not my native tongue.
06:37:38 From Peter Rives : @Anne W I think it is envisager in French
06:37:41 From Sergio van der Pluijm to Hosts and panelists : Envisioning seems to have a flavour of Functional Imagery Training and the work of Gabrielle Oettingenā¦ Is that on purpose?
06:37:42 From Christopher Wagner : Even if it is a primary dictionary definition that empowerment is providing power to someone, the spirit of helping people rediscover and use more of their own personal power is something that had been minimized before. It's related to confidence to change, which often has been overshadowed by the focus on resolving ambivalence about direction.
06:37:45 From Tipene Pickett : In context with the other aspects of the spirit of MI, the definition of helping people empowering themselves seems to make more sense rather than the helper giving power to another
06:37:59 From John BAER : Google search: noun
authority or power given to someone to do something.
"individuals are given empowerment to create their own dwellings"
the process of becoming stronger and more confident, especially in controlling one's life and claiming one's rights.
06:38:02 From stacy smith : I've been using empowerment in recent trainings and then using the Wizard of Oz to make the point of two empowerments. the first is when the Wizard is seen as having the power they need (heart, brain, courage) and the second is when, after the witch is vanquished, they are told they've always had the power within themselves.
06:38:10 From anne wittevrongel : Thank you Peter!
06:38:28 From Christopher Wagner : Although I like the focus on envisioning, too!
06:38:51 From Bertha Katjijova : Thanks David.
06:38:59 From Mikel Gellatly : Ive run a couple of 2-Day foundational skills trainings since hearing from Bill about the changes in MI4 at the recent MINT-Oceania mini forum. The changes from 3 to 4 operationally seem marginal in how its taught. The more accessible language, and a broadening out of MI as a way of operationalising all helping relationships (a way of doing everything else that you do), seemed to land with the audience in a much more profound way than I had experienced before. Not doing MI in particular circumstances, but rather working with people in a motivational way.
06:39:25 From anne wittevrongel : Envisager !
06:39:43 From anne wittevrongel : It's not a clinical word ...
06:39:46 From Kathy Goumas to Hosts and panelists : I can embrace both empowerment and envisioning, my experience in helping people unleash their power resides with empowerment whilst envisioning resides in a future tense for meā¦.
06:40:57 From Chris de Beer to Hosts and panelists : Stacy Smith - that is a great teaching tool. I love it.
06:41:11 From Christopher Wagner : Empower training participants to explore what "empowerment" means!
06:41:15 From Mark Turnbull : I think looking at the words in a singular way doesn't help with the semantics. Empowering does not strictly mean we do the empowering, it could mean a feeling the patient gets from the conversation?
06:41:47 From Jamie Lavender : Well I really love "evoke"-- I use it a lot with a slide of a seed sprouting into a plant, and it's as if it grows on it's own but the sun and water "evoke" that growth.
06:42:07 From Sue EckMaahs : In thinking about this in the context of training people who are not 'clinicians' in background, empowerment might seem - at surface - like 'advice' AND I agree that the manner of describing and practicing this aspect in training will be very important.
06:42:12 From Cecilia Lanier : I see the concepts of the two words as being the same. Both words convey what is meantā¦but I donāt think thereās much nuance in the words. Maybe weāre the only ones who are concerned about the word. Envisioning seems to be somewhat narrow in that it is one way to be empowered. Just wondering.
06:42:17 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : Chris Wagnerāthere is SO much value in that activity
06:42:19 From Peter Rives : Great point, Steve - just like a reflection, there are so many potential options. But the point in teaching spirit is a Gestalt "way of being" and we, as trainers, can explore that regardless of the terminology (as helpful signposts)
06:42:28 From Jamie Lavender : AWESOME!!!!
06:43:41 From Peter Rives : Cool, so Compassion, Acceptance, Partnership, and Empowerment. Thanks for looking, Steve!
06:44:18 From Kate Speck : Looking Forward is a concept I instruct in training to assist clinicians to evoke toward the future and change talk - I think envision encompasses that while incorporating empowerment as a way to see things differently.
06:44:28 From Jonnae Tillman to Hosts and panelists : Totally agree! Yes, talking about plans still needs MI. The myth is out there that MI doesnāt match up with planning.
06:44:34 From Hoyt Roberson : I routinely tell my students that MI can be effective in every 'stage.'
06:45:12 From Arlene Dalcin : Have you continued to keep affirm as part of acceptance and as a core skill?
06:45:39 From Danielle Pinsonneault : I like the evoking levels from Steve.
06:46:09 From judith carpenter : I think taking evocation out of the definition in spirit is the main point here, and the differentiation between using evoke as a way to help us in what we do is important in all the tasks
06:46:09 From Peter Rives : evoking the "how" becomes the building blocks for a plan
06:47:05 From Lynne Johnston : Is there still so much attention to DARN-CAT given the 'evidence' the original classification is based on?
06:47:09 From Verna Burden : it seems to me that evoking is happening thru all the tasks, but what is being evoked is different.
06:47:37 From Julia Meckael-Jennings to Hosts and panelists : Empowerment and envisioning seem to be 2 different things, I think empowerment needs to happen before someone can envision change
06:48:03 From Marilyn Rabin : My understanding is that the four process can occur simultaneously
06:48:11 From Jamie Lavender : Yes love that Verna!
06:48:12 From Sue EckMaahs : Steve, I think you and Bill hinted enough about the power of taking out the word and concept of 'behavior' that many of us have been doing and training that for quite some time. ;) Excellent seed planting!
06:48:55 From David Rosengren : Great thoughts all. Interestingly, I have been using both terms in training, in anticipation of the change, and trainees have responded to the distinction. Having said that, it might be this is a distinction without meaning. That is, I am unaware of any evidence that it leads them to become better MI practitioners.
06:49:43 From Sue EckMaahs : Dave, do you mean the terms 'empowering' and 'envisioning'?
06:49:46 From Teresa Donegan : I like empowerment as an outcome of being present to the other in an attentive and respectful way
06:50:25 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : Empowerment feels like an outcome rather than a process
06:51:01 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : That is helpful Teresa
06:51:17 From Darren Jones : Interesting we have a drug and alcohol service in the UK called "change, grow, live"
06:51:40 From Teresa Donegan : Focus on developing people in the spirit and not over-obsession on language
06:52:04 From Paul Burke : I'm looking forward to figuring out how "enspiriting" will become a discipline within the process of envisioning and empowering. (Kidding. Not kidding)
06:52:04 From Stephen Rollnick : I noticed that Dave.They are about to roll out MI across the organsation
06:52:33 From margaret Soukup : Like a choice to forgive someone
06:52:35 From Julia Meckael-Jennings to Hosts and panelists : I would disagree with empowerment being an outcome. It seems that change depends on having that motivation/fire in the belly which comes from empowerment and from that place it propels change
06:52:36 From Christopher Wagner : Self-acceptance is change for many clients that's not a behavior. Just not walking around fighting with yourself inside all the time is what a lot of people are looking for.
06:52:50 From Christopher Wagner : And I think MI helps with that.
06:53:04 From David Rosengren : @sue eckmaahs: yes - empowering vs. envisioning.
06:53:21 From rosa thomas : It's easy to fool someone who thinks they're smart.
06:53:55 From Hanna Morrell : Expert= Certainty= Resistance to change
06:53:58 From Kat Urban to Hosts and panelists : with that example, is there any chance a generational perspective impacts how quickly the younger people learned and applied it?
06:54:12 From Sue EckMaahs : Yes, Chris. Mindset changes lend to a powerful use of MI. I suppose this may, ideally, lead to outward behavior change, but the internal exploration and decision is the focus, typically.
06:54:26 From David Rosengren : @Chris W: yes, this is an area youāve been writing and talking about for a long time.
06:54:42 From Sue EckMaahs : @David R. Yes, I have found the same.
06:54:52 From Fiona Holland to Hosts and panelists : I'm interested in how Steve feels about taking MI into broader fields like schools,HE etc- having MI inspired conversations are surely really helpful even if the teachers/staff don't have practice that would be coded consistently as being a 4 on MITI, and we perhaps shouldn't wait for operationalisation of new MI 4 to get the work out there, it will be helpful and useful with the basics and spirit in there...I think this is what Steve is saying...
06:55:02 From Jonnae Tillman to Hosts and panelists : A group I worked with over the years said their turnover STOPPED after they began learning/practicing MI together.
06:55:18 From Charlotte Hilton : My experience is that the āexpertā position offers protection against the discomfort of vulnerability
06:55:50 From Sue EckMaahs : Steve, what made you want to dissuade him?
06:56:30 From Jonnae Tillman to Hosts and panelists : Dang, I have a patient in a few minutes! Theyāre quitting/rehiring reduced.
06:56:42 From Jonnae Tillman to Hosts and panelists : Yes, staff turnover.
06:57:04 From Hoyt Roberson : Within an organization, after the initial training in MI is complete, what is the state of the art for reinforcing, modeling, and assessing fidelity within the entire organization?
06:57:29 From Jonnae Tillman to Hosts and panelists : Thank you everyone - hope to see you all at next MINT.
06:57:59 From Tania Benacerraf : Ted Lasso!
06:58:14 From Jamie Lavender : YES YES YES
06:58:16 From Cecilia Lanier : Yes! I saw MI used in schools. It is phenomenal.
06:58:19 From Teresa Donegan : YES
06:58:43 From Jamie Lavender : I teach and I use it in teaching all the time and then comment about using it, if possible.
06:59:52 From Teresa Donegan : That is what I was trying to say :)
06:59:59 From Kendelle Bond : http://www.miinleadershipandorganizations.com/
07:00:05 From Hanna Morrell : Agreed, Kendelle. Change doesn't come without feeling safe and understood.
07:00:10 From Fiona Holland : I'm interested in talking with anyone using MI in Higher Education, not around health behaviours, but more around engagement....
07:00:37 From Danielle Pinsonneault : About empowering, In QuĆ©bec, from Laval university, I've heard of a translation of Ā«empowermentĀ» as Ā«support to the development of the power of action Ā» in a someone's life (free translation back to English)
07:00:47 From Hanna Morrell : Its philosophy vs the technical skills?
07:01:30 From Mindy Boccio : Thank you all for the rich conversation, I need to hop off for another meeting. Wishing everyone well.
07:01:43 From Sue EckMaahs : Take care Mindy!
07:01:46 From Stephen Rollnick : bye Mindy
07:02:17 From Charlotte Hilton : Iāve had the pleasure of introducing reception staff to some of the core concepts in MI and in particular spirit as a way of being. Before training about half of these people were considering leaving their role because of the stressful culture that has developed from increased patient demand. Following training and a sense of hope of there being a more curious and compassionate way to communicate with patients and other staff members, many reconsider
07:02:45 From Charlotte Hilton : I should have mentioned that these were receptionists working in UK general practice
07:03:01 From Ezra Susser : Sorry have to leave, was a fascinating conversation
07:03:06 From Lynne Johnston : how much 'variance' does cultivating CT and softening ST actually account for?
07:03:17 From Stephen Rollnick : my cousin Ezra! Bye!
07:03:36 From Teresa Donegan : Terri Moyers mentions this often--accurate empathy is not just about "warmth
07:03:37 From Paul Burke : I agree with Joel that too much emphasis on "spirit of MI" leads some new learnrs to think of MI as equivalent to Rogerian client-centered listening. I've even heard some learners saying "MI is "nothing more than ā¦". Change Talk and evocation is an important component of the operant mechanism. We have to be careful not to lose that
07:03:40 From Sara Schieffelin to Hosts and panelists : Iām so curious about hearing more about where to start with training a group/organization that has a toxic culture.
07:03:46 From Bertha Katjijova : MI have a way of allowing the person to feel important and this motivates change in an amazing way,mostly when working with young people with behavioral problems.
07:03:50 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : Fascinating Charlotte!
07:04:22 From Jamie Lavender : I see a huge part of the spirit of MI as "love"-- unconditional positive regard if you like-- and appreciate you all for helping evolve this great, very loving model into the future. And thanks Steve for helping birth it to us. :) Hopping off...
07:04:38 From judith carpenter : @Paul Burke, agree with you there my friend
07:05:11 From Michelle Drapkin : Paul Burke, I agree. I talk about how the spirit is in your head and your heart and the lessons in MI skills help your mouth to intentionally represent whatās in your heart and head.
07:05:36 From Merav Devere : I did an action research on using MI in an organisational setting and most of the research indicate that while organisations support MI and collaboration in reality they mostly use top-down rather than consultation communication style. I think it is an organisational cultural and political issue rather than psychological
07:06:14 From Teresa Donegan : Can we save this chat?
07:06:31 From Kendelle Bond : Teresa..it will be on Youtube in a few days
07:06:39 From Kendelle Bond : and the chat you can save too yes
07:07:25 From Teresa Donegan : @Kendelle I haven't been able to save this chat
07:07:54 From Paul Burke : Michelle Drapkin ā¦ that is FABULOUS! With your permission, I'd like to steal that concept and use it in my own workshops. Concept = "words are the mechanism through which the spirit manifests and sparks change"
07:07:59 From Hoyt Roberson : How does one save the chat? Can we have it sent to us?
07:08:50 From Kendelle Bond : it should save into your zoom accounts when you leave however iām happy to save it at the end and send it to anyone if you want to email meā¦kendelle@ncbc-uk.com
07:08:58 From Michelle Drapkin : Hi Paul- this is Laura Saunders-signed in under Michelleās name :-) YES! Given that I have plenty of your stuff and things you can certainly have that little ditty.
07:09:41 From Arlene Dalcin : I think teasing discord and sustain talk from resistance was an important addition in MI3.
07:09:57 From Ed Haycraft to Hosts and panelists : I agree with that
07:10:34 From Christopher Wagner : Laura Sanders, AKA Michelle Drapkin, nice framing!
07:10:46 From Kat Urban to Hosts and panelists : I agree, I am a lot younger than many of those in my job and I think it is because of time space compression due to the internet. We were able to see more of the world because we were "ipad kids"
07:10:48 From Sandy Francis to Hosts and panelists : Focussing on focus made a HUGE difference to my practice - between MI2 and MI3
07:10:49 From Teresa Donegan : Yes Kendelle please
07:10:52 From Christopher Wagner : Molly, I find there is less for people to unlearn
07:11:02 From Christopher Wagner : And that makes it easier to teach...
07:11:28 From terry huriwai to Hosts and panelists : agree Joel - even in correctional contexts
07:11:32 From Michelle Drapkin : I like to reinforce that their heads and their hearts recognize MI but their mouth doesnāt always cooperate. With a little polishing we can get those two things to align.
07:11:53 From Kathy Goumas : I agree Molly, there is more understanding around the value of listening and understanding, although I donāt see so much advancement in exercising restraint unfortunately!
07:11:55 From judith carpenter : Agree Chris, people seem more willing and curious
07:14:48 From Lynne Johnston : Did we throw the baby out with the bath water re TTM? I'm wondering if there was an over simplification re the focus on Stage of Change at the expense of the other aspects of TTM, particularly the processes of change?
07:15:43 From David Rosengren : So, in essence Joel, the question is back to why MI-4? Does it matter? Think back to MI-2, where we intentionally divorced MI from brief interventions and brief advice. We wouldnāt talk about MI in Health Care. Weāve seen the integration of positive emotions, including hope. Chris and Karen Ingersoll integrated MI into groups. Weāve seen the integration of implementation intentions. All of these come from the continued evolution of these concepts, so does it make a difference? Yes, but perhaps not in the way we traditional evaluate impact.
07:17:50 From Dawn Zeaphey to Hosts and panelists : Thank you! Interesting discussion! Have another appointment so need to go!
07:17:52 From Lynne Johnston : the 10 processes of change
07:20:09 From Pauline Grant : Hi Stephen, trained with you several years ago in Wales. Absolutely agree with Joels comments about line managers perhaps having the skills to draw on if needed. You donāt get much more stressed than healthcare right now! Have just introduced MI as a tool for line managers to support coaching approaches to career conversations, very much around cultural and organisational change aiming to retain staff. combining with positive psychology and strengths based approaches
07:20:20 From David Rosengren : Have you included a definition of motivation?
07:20:39 From Hoyt Roberson : Theory: motivation arising from internal loci of control is more effective than external loci. MI is a set of tools to support people in developing their internal loci.
07:21:01 From Charlotte Hilton : My feeling is that there is enough theory that may help us to understand why MI works the way that it does. For example SDT is another useful thory to support MI. However, I feel there has been an over-reliance on the SoC component of the TTM at the expense of considering the other components (including the 10 processes as Lynne mentioned)
07:21:02 From Hanna Morrell : Psychological safety is where I find MI links with Trauma-informed. TI has more and more acceptance at the org level too. I think they support each other well.
07:21:09 From Hoyt Roberson : Humans need to thrive, a psychologically safe place where they can be and explore themselves.
07:21:38 From Hanna Morrell : Kendelle, it's fascinating!
07:21:46 From Fiona Holland : I've found people resonate with some of the evolutionary theory pieces around status messages etc...
07:21:58 From Patricia Juarez : Recently read an attempt of integrating MI as part of Processed Based Therapy - which made a lot of sense to me
07:22:15 From Teresa Donegan : Like the term about TTM as cousins. What did Stephen say just before about type of cousins?
07:22:21 From Michelle Boudreaux : Focusing more energy here in Michigan with TIC and MI.
07:22:25 From Fiona Holland : contented cousins
07:22:41 From Teresa Donegan : Thanks Fiona!
07:22:42 From Stephen Rollnick : contented cousins Teresa?
07:23:00 From Teresa Donegan : yes
07:23:04 From Teresa Donegan : Liked the term
07:23:38 From Sandy Francis to Hosts and panelists : I am
07:23:44 From Arlene Dalcin : Di you leave Affirm as part of acceptance and a core skill?
07:24:02 From Christopher Wagner : Steve, I appreciate the clarifying focus in the MI-4 model on identifying directional reflections and questions, and complex affirmations vs. simple affirmations. New details, but seem to clarify rather than complicate...
07:24:55 From Sandy Francis to Hosts and panelists : I think It is complex - for non-psychotherapists
07:24:59 From Sue EckMaahs : Yes, Chris. I agree!
07:25:18 From Sandy Francis to Hosts and panelists : And psychotherapists!
07:25:36 From Fiona Holland to Hosts and panelists : Do we have to stay on questions around the new book? If not, I'm interested to hear if Steve has thoughts about the use of AI in mapping behaviours and behaviour change interventions like the behaviour change project at UCL...as MI is a BCT in the taxonomies of change, the mapping is not just about the what, where, and who, how much etc, but also the how...or perhaps this could be something for another time...
07:25:45 From Merav Devere : Teresa Moyers talked about how to balance between genuiness and empathy
07:26:36 From David Rosengren : Information exchange/sharing - make the cut?
07:26:47 From Hanna Morrell : Kendelle, could genuineness be an outgrowth of psychological safety? Like the clinician feeling safe means they have permission to be truly themselves. I struggle with teaching others how to show up as themselves.
07:26:53 From Joel Porter : I thought about "genuine empathy" still a thought in process
07:26:56 From Charlotte Hilton : And I wonder if reflective listening is also very affirming š
07:27:12 From Sue EckMaahs : Does anyone else use 'strengths-based' to clarify the 'affirmation' ingredient in the spirit?
07:28:13 From Mike Porteous : Going to have to call off in the next minute or two - a thought to drop in that came up earlier: as a sports coach to deliberately position myself as not the expert takes real courage! PS: I love āenvisioningā though in my world I see this as helping people surprise themselves with what they can do. Their āvisioningā only gradually emerges and comes to life in ways neither of us could have predicted.
07:28:15 From brian kersh : Sue, that's the framework I use when training. Affirmations are a specific type of reflection that is similar to what Molly is saying now
07:28:16 From Peter Rives : Sure, affirmations can be reflections of strength - and I think there's value in teaching the intent behind each which can lead to lots of different angles of reflective listening.
07:28:19 From David Rosengren : I need to jump off. Thanks for a thought provoking session folks. I look forward to reading it all in print. Great work, Bill and Steve.
07:28:21 From Bob Jope : I do, Sue.
07:28:23 From Michelle Lynn Stephen Seigel : Yes Sue
07:28:45 From Kendelle Bond : @Sue - yes I use the VASE approach still very much too
07:28:52 From Lynne Johnston : Thanks Charli, my understanding is that 'the Stages of Change Model' is not āA Model' it is ONE part of TTM. I have noticed over the years that the 10 original processes of change in TTM are so often ignored from discussion within MINT. Ironically, the 10 processes emerged from psychotherapy practice (in the original studies in the late 70s and early 80'sā¦..).
07:29:28 From Sandy Francis to Hosts and panelists : Skilful advice giving? Is that in - as a specific thing?
07:29:38 From Lynne Johnston : I have to go to another meeting, thanks all
07:29:44 From rosa thomas : Fascinating conversation
07:29:46 From Charlotte Hilton : @Lynne yes I agree but not sure I explained this as well as you in my last message :)
07:29:57 From Sean Small : Thank you for the very interesting session. Very much appreciated.
07:29:57 From Evelyn Trigueros to Hosts and panelists : Thank you!
07:30:00 From anne wittevrongel : Thank you very much
07:30:00 From Sue EckMaahs : Bummed I have to leave. Can't wait to hear the rest and devouring the book! ;)
07:30:05 From John BAER : Thanks all. great conversation.
07:30:10 From Heidi Brightmore : Thank you, fabulous discussions!
07:30:18 From Li-Lo Sahlberg : Thank you all :-)//Li-Lo
07:30:18 From Michelle Drapkin : Thank you so much for hosting! Canāt wait to hear the rest later. (The real Michelle Drapkin - not quite as brilliant as Laura Saunders!)
07:30:19 From Beata Kita : Thank you :)
07:30:39 From Vince Knight : really enjoying the flow of the conversation
07:30:40 From Valerie Knight : Loving the conversation :)
07:30:50 From Florence DA SILVA to Hosts and panelists : thank you for sharing and make us live a part of MI history
07:30:52 From Amy Reading : thank you
07:30:57 From Sam Hague-barrett : Thanks All, enjoyed listening
07:30:57 From Yoshikazu Fujimoto to Hosts and panelists : Thank you š
07:30:58 From Joachim Kƶrkel : Thanks all. :-)
07:31:02 From Rik Bes to Hosts and panelists : šš¼ & see you in Copenhagen!
07:31:06 From Mike Howard : Diolch/Thanks all. Nos da/Goodnight
07:31:13 From James Hoey : Great chat. Tks
07:31:15 From Robert Rejniak : Thank you, great :-)
07:31:27 From Charlotte Hilton : Need to jump off for another meeting. Great to see so many familiar names in the chat and thanks for organising :)
07:31:29 From Valerio Quercia : Grazie mille!
07:31:47 From Diana Nimo to Hosts and panelists : Thank you, great chat :)
07:32:16 From Teresa Donegan : YES!!!
07:32:24 From Lynn Sones : What a rich, Authentic, evoking discussion!! Thank you
07:32:36 From TƵnu JĆ¼rjen : I agree that the practitioner has been neglected in some sense.
07:32:39 From Kat Urban to Hosts and panelists : Thank you!
07:32:48 From Hoyt Roberson : I will from time to time review the idea that "you don't have to like every client," and then ask, "but why would you choose not to?"
07:33:34 From judith carpenter : Agree so very much with this Steve, especially in the world of healthcare, my world, it was also a struggle for me, but one I am so so glad to have persisted with and have the privilege to be able to support others in my world
07:33:37 From TƵnu JĆ¼rjen : 50 or more :)
07:33:50 From Joel Porter : or more Tonu
07:33:54 From Teresa Donegan : Power sharing and humility
07:34:05 From Hanna Morrell : Teresa you beat me to it!
07:34:15 From terry huriwai to Hosts and panelists : Nga mihi ki a koutou katoa.
07:34:26 From Bertha Katjijova : Thanks you all,can't wait to get hold of this edition, calling it a night. .
07:34:38 From Teresa Donegan : Hanna :)
07:34:39 From Joel Porter : Kia ora Terry
07:34:50 From Rob Shaw to Hosts and panelists : Steve, on a previous webinar you talked about the āleaning to towards changeā in terms of how we use our reflective listening, as like a dial that we turn up and down. Could you say a bit more about this. Have you provided guidance in MI 4 on when to turn it up or down?
07:34:56 From David Koss : To follow up on Kendelle's funny comment, one take away from today is that we do not "need to redo everything we do" However, what words or comments or evocations that we do now does the 4th edition recommend that we should no longer do? And what comments with clients does the 4th edition recommend we now make? One item I have heard outside of this meeting is to 1) emphasize reflections and affirmations to an even greater extent than is now covered in training , and 2) work to soften sustain talk to the extent possible and to be less concerned about evoking change talk from sustain talk...
07:35:18 From George Brenner : Thanks, thought provoking and informative.
07:35:19 From Teresa Donegan : Yes, definitely
07:35:21 From Michelle Boudreaux : š
07:35:22 From Sara Schieffelin to Hosts and panelists : Yes!! That resonates!!!!!
07:35:26 From Christopher Wagner : Steve, those are great points. We probably notice the things that come a little less naturally to us.
07:35:28 From Chris Miles : YES!! I do this in my trainings!
07:36:01 From Scott Kerby to Hosts and panelists : Great stuff. Thanks everyone!
07:36:13 From Christopher Wagner to Hosts and panelists : Kendelle, can you make sure you save the chat on your end since it wasn't enabled for us to on our end? Thanks!
07:36:15 From Tipene Pickett : Steve, I've really appreciated hearing about the relationship you have with yourself as an 'enthusiastic righting reflexer' (I probably sit in this camp too). Inavigating differences your openness and and to Bill has been
07:36:17 From Danielle Pinsonneault : Steve, are you saying that in MI4 there will be parts on the clinician need to and how to make that shift ? I personally gain alot from MI
07:36:22 From Teresa Donegan : Yes--health care providers have not had this
07:36:27 From Merav Devere : What I heard Bill says (or was it you Steve?) is that there is a shift towards looking at MI as an approach that can enfolds all other approaches and be part of all other helping approaches.
07:36:28 From Sara Schieffelin to Hosts and panelists : MI training for me, if done well, and if there is true collaboration with the participants, is totally about building resilience.
07:36:31 From TƵnu JĆ¼rjen : I'd really would like to discuss in the future the practitioner self regulation a bit more in depth. Probably my own need to grow.
07:36:43 From Teresa Donegan : Same with social workers and so many others in the caring field
07:36:56 From Teresa Donegan : It's not built into education
07:37:09 From Kendelle Bond : @yes Chris - Iāve saved it and will send across to anyone who wants it - please email me kendelle@ncbc-uk.com and Iāll send it to you all x
07:37:10 From judith carpenter : And Joel in other words, there has never been a couch or any consideration of the person, I agree with kendelle our training provides that psychological safety
07:38:23 From Valerie Knight to Hosts and panelists : Hi Kendelle where in the UK are you based? I am being curious. I work as a 'NHS Personalised Care Trainer'.
07:38:32 From Teresa Donegan : AS a teacher and trainer the work involves continual self-awareness and growth
07:39:01 From Tipene Pickett : ..oops pressed too early...and hearing of how you and BIll navigagted differences in viewpoints..gives me a great sense of peace somehow
07:39:58 From Teresa Donegan : What I have appreciated so much is both your humility as well as Bill's and all the others who continue to struggle, talk, and grow.
07:40:27 From Sue EckMaahs : Yes, Teresa!!!
07:40:49 From Vince Knight : Kendelle, I agree about the NHS - I've trained there and it is a really interesting experience
07:41:02 From Kendelle Bond to Valerie Knight and all panelists : Hi Valerie, what an incredible job - Iām based in Brighton UK -letās connect! Also we have the MINT UK and I on Friday and Saturday.
07:41:30 From Karen Gall : push for efficacy as a base for payment, efficiacy in treatment modalities and the shortage of practitioners overall I believe the priority for introspection and self awareness have been relegated to the realm of luxury vs. being seen essential. This seems to be happening in all service areas.
07:41:53 From Kathy Goumas to Hosts and panelists : Thanks all for a stimulating discussion, Iām encouraged that we continue to be curious and are growing toward wanting to be better helpersā¦ā¦or as Bill once said to me āwe continue to fail betterā!
07:41:56 From Tina Vaughan : I think that the narrative is important, and I like how reflections can help to "continue the conversation" to support that narrative
07:42:02 From Carol Johnstone : "Hearing back" rather than "reflecting back" the client side rather than the clinician side. Very helpful! Thanks!
07:42:11 From David Koss : Thank you.
07:42:43 From Sara Schieffelin to Hosts and panelists : Collaboration?
07:42:46 From Carol Johnstone : Calmness
07:42:47 From Cecilia Lanier : Cleverness complexity and clutter be gone. Compassion, curiosity, and CALM?
07:42:51 From Rob Shannon to Hosts and panelists : I believe that is in Mi in healthcare 2nd edition Steve
07:42:54 From Tania Benacerraf : CALM
07:43:15 From Christopher Wagner : Steve, I think you're really getting the hang of this MI thing! ;-)
07:43:20 From Vince Knight : Cindness?
07:45:41 From Tipene Pickett : I use the mantra I am equanimity, calm and composed...work in progress
07:45:47 From Larisa Constantinou : Is righting reflex more prominent in men?
07:45:48 From judith carpenter : MI helps us to ānoticeā things in ourselves if we look out for them
07:46:16 From Kendelle Bond : Not necessarily Larisa -it can be more overt but itās prominent in all humans
07:46:27 From Hoyt Roberson : My mother pretty well channeled the righting reflex. ...
07:46:37 From Teresa Donegan : Struggle--child received value for being the "fixer"
07:47:06 From Teresa Donegan : In contexts in chaos
07:47:06 From Tipene Pickett : ...wherever I-go, E-goes
07:47:42 From Kendelle Bond : @Tip š¤Ŗ
07:48:22 From Sue EckMaahs : Larisa, this is mostly anecdotal, but based on thousands of MI coaching/listening experiences, we see as much righting reflex in women as in men (at least here in the US).
07:50:01 From Cecilia Lanier : And he asked you!
07:50:12 From Vince Knight : does the righting reflex help us to identify where we are on the drama triangle?
07:51:00 From Valerie Knight to Hosts and panelists : Hi Kendelle I will send you an e-mail and yes it will definitely be good to connect :)
07:51:09 From Christopher Wagner : Steve, just tell your kid you're empowering him to clean his room ;-)
07:51:53 From judith carpenter : Thank you for a great meander of a conversation
07:51:54 From Karen Gall : Thank you all so much! What a wonderful and open conversation!!
07:52:01 From Paul Burke : Thanks so much everyone. Very useful.
07:52:02 From TƵnu JĆ¼rjen : Thank you and bye!
07:52:09 From Jennifer Wyatt : Thank you for hosting these interesting conversations!
07:52:09 From Sue EckMaahs : Thank you SO much!
07:52:12 From Marzie De Pangher : Thank you so much!
07:52:14 From Chris Davies : This has been so enriching!
07:52:17 From Magda LillalĆ RendĆ³n GarcĆa to Hosts and panelists : Thanks ā¤ļø
07:52:18 From Pam Burke : Thank you for all your wonderful envisioning!
07:52:19 From Danielle Pinsonneault : Thank you very much ! Best to you all !! Looking forward reading MI4
07:52:22 From Scott Boyles to Hosts and panelists : Thank you!
07:52:24 From Cecilia Lanier : Itās been an honor. Thank you all so much. Quite inspiring.
07:52:24 From Sara Schieffelin to Hosts and panelists : Thank you!!!!
07:52:24 From Joanne Taylor : thank you. very interesting. can't wait for the book!
07:52:25 From Vince Knight : Thanks, brilliant stuff and thank you for sharing :)
07:52:25 From Elizabeth Egan : Thanks for this. Would love one of these on being authentic and/or genuine!
07:52:25 From Teresa Donegan : Thank you so much for this session! This was great. Thanks to Stephen, Molly, Jolly and Kendelle.
07:52:27 From Tipene Pickett : Awesome folks...much aroha1
07:52:27 From Patricia Juarez : Great to see you Steve!!! thanks everyone!
07:52:32 From Christopher Wagner : Thanks and bye folks!
07:52:32 From Rob Shannon to Hosts and panelists : Many thanks everyone
07:52:33 From Hoyt Roberson : Thank you all and the great Stephen Rollnick for taking this amount of time.
07:52:34 From Fiona Holland : thanks Steve for your openness!
07:52:36 From Kathy Goumas : Thanks all
07:52:38 From Mark Turnbull : Absolutely fantastic. Looking forward to the next event and good luck with the book and everyones endeavours
07:52:42 From David Koss : Great two hours. All the best everyone
07:52:57 From Lisabeth Bennett to Hosts and panelists : So much food for thought! Thank you!
07:53:04 From Bridgette Franklin : Thank you all for the great conversation, and learning about what's new in MI-4.
07:53:23 From Amanda Pitkethly to Hosts and panelists : Thanks everyone!!