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Speaker 1: Hello, habit
Mechanics.

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It's Dr John Finn here.

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I hope you're well Just
recording a walking pod.

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Over the last probably seven
days, there has been a lot of

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discussion about just how
devastating AI is potentially

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going to be to human jobs is
potentially going to be to human

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jobs, and some commentators
completely buy into this.

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On the other end, some people
say this is all hype.

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It's not real, and I thought a
really interesting resource that

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I wanted to point out to people
is the BBC Reef Lecture Series.

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The BBC do Christmas Reef
Lecture Series and in I think it

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was 2021, december 2021, so
before we had the release and

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the discussions around things
like chat, gtp, these new

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generative AI systems, the
lecturer if that's the right

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word for the Reef Lecture Series
was Professor Stuart Russell,

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and Professor Stuart Russell is
let me get this right he is the

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founder of the Centre of Human
Compatible Artificial

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Intelligence at University of
California, berkeley, and I

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listened to that lecture series.

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I think there's there's at least
four one hour lectures and he

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he goes.

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He starts from covering ai at a
very high level and he goes

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into these different kind of
verticals, if you like, for how

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ai is going to impact humans in
different sectors, and there's

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nothing hype around what he's
saying.

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He's coming out almost from a
cold clinical academic

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perspective.

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So he's actually he's English,
but, yeah, he's a professor at

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Berkeley, california and he has
a very measured way of talking

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about this stuff.

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And what surprised me is how
much of what he he's not really

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seen.

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He's not really.

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You don't really hear about him
, stuart Russell.

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You hear more about the
godfathers of AI, like, I think,

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geoffrey Hinton, who's another
English guy, and there's a

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couple of I think it's two of
the godfathers, isn't there One

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French and I think one maybe
Canadian?

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You don't really hear much
about Stuart Russell, but if

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you're thinking, is this stuff
real that I'm hearing about?

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Listen to those lecture series
because he's almost predicted

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the future, um, without the hype
, just in real terms, and it's

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really interesting.

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One of the things he talks
about, because he's pretty

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dangerous, is the use of things
like drones and and you know,

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just this week we saw this
almost like SS-style operation

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from the Ukrainian armed forces
against the Russian armed forces

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using these drone technologies.

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That wouldn't have been thought
about probably even 12, 24

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months ago, if that even
possible.

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And all this is being driven by
AI and I think, ultimately,

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what Stuart Russell is saying,
which completely dovetails with

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the most extreme.

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What people might find the most
extreme impact that AI is going

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to have, is that just slowly but
surely, um, ai is gonna get

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better and better at being able
to do every single role, every

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single task that humans
currently do, and that doesn't

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just right now.

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We're seeing roles like HR.

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I think Microsoft just laid off
not Microsoft IBM just laid off

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8,000 people from their HR
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We're seeing, I think, I think
in the UK, I think in the UK I

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think this is the figure for the
last 12 months that graduate

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recruitment is down 67% Because
companies don't need low-skilled

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workers anymore and most of
what graduates do is low-skilled

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compared to the people that
have been doing their jobs for

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20 years.

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They can just get AI to do that
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Finance is being affected.

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Accountants is being affected.

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Skilled compared to their, the
people that have been doing

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their jobs for 20 years right,
they can just get ai to do that.

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Finance is being affected,
accountants is being affected.

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So we're seeing right now the
emergence of these technologies

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and they are disrupting more
cognitive skills, but actually

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what stuart russell also points
out is they're going to move

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into the physical skills as well
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So lots of people are moving to
sort of the trades, but that

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will also be disrupted those
sectors by AI.

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And, if you, there's a really
interesting Amazon TV programme

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called Clarkson's Farm and I
suppose Jeremy Clarkson's been

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like mustard people like him.

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I don't like him.

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But what I find really
interesting, having done quite a

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lot of work for John Deere John
Deere are, I think, the biggest

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manufacturer of agricultural
equipment in the world and they

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see themselves as a technology
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So when you go to John Deere HQ
in the UK you know they have

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boats that are cutting the grass
, for example, but they have

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algorithms that are predicting
you know what.

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What's the best way to get the
best return on this crop?

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What's the best way to promote
healthy soil conditions?

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And what's really interesting
in the jeremy clarkson

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documentary for me is actually
how technology is being used not

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software, hardware to actually
do jobs that farmers would have

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used to have done, whether
that's putting in a post like

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just something being hammered
down, wrapping a hair bale, the

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combine harvesters how clever
they are.

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I think that's a great
demonstration of what the future

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is going to start to look like
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The machines are not doing it by
themselves, they're co-working

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with humans.

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But one thing that stuart
russell says is that the last

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sort of defendable set of skills
for humans are going to be what

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I would call human AI
performance psychology skills.

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It's going to be the skills of
humans helping other humans,

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because that is going to remain
the most difficult thing for AI

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to be able to do.

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And you know, in my new book,
train your Brain for the AI

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Revolution, I point towards this
in chapter I think 27.

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I talk about three roles for the
future that I think will emerge

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There will be, I think, the
innovators that are.

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Just their job is to solve
complex problems.

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That's what they're working on
every day.

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How do we create a vaccine for
this?

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How do we create buildings that
absorb CO2 instead of pump it

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out?

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How do we build better
education systems for our young

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people that are going to allow
them to thrive in the AI world?

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So we're going to have these
innovators and then we're going

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to have the automators people
that build the systems.

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So already we're seeing to have
the automators people that

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build the systems.

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So already we're seeing that
medium skilled developers have

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been pretty much wiped out by ai
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Let's be real ai is a baby.

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It's just a baby.

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It's just a beginning and it's
already wiping out very skilled

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jobs, but we're still going to
need humans in the loop on this

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stuff.

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Um, so we're going to have the
automators that are going to

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build the software and the
hardware and, you know, build

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the machines that actually do
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But then the third role is
going to be human ai performance

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psychology coaches, because the
innovators and the automators

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are only going to be as good as
their ability to manage their

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brain states and consistently
get into their high charge brain

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states, which is the the type
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thinking that ai is is least
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Human air performance
psychology coaches are going to

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be working with humans to make
it, with innovators and the

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automators to help them to do
that.

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So I'm not trying to paint some
dystopian picture of the future.

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I think this is real and it's
emerging and all the evidence

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that we're seeing is all
pointing in the same direction.

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But if you think it's high, I
would really recommend just go

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to the BBC or you can google
this or use chatGTP or something

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Look for the Wraith lecture
series by professor stewart

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russell and I think it's from
december 2021 and I think you'll

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find it very instructive.

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No hype, it's just.

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This is how this world leading
expert in this technology this

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is this is what he was
predicting would be unfolding.

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Um, you know, in the years
ahead, and now we are.

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You know, we're four and a half
years since those those lecture

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series was recorded and it's
surprising how much of what he

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said is actually coming to
fruition.

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Um, so I hope that's insightful
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Um, I I see my role here as I
want to help people, I want to

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educate people, but we need to
be realistic.

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We can't bury our heads in the
sand on this.

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We've got to educate ourselves.

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We've got to learn about the
tech, we've got to learn how to

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embed it into our work cultures,
into our workflows and our work

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cultures into our workflows and
, yeah, and our work cultures.

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Um, so, yeah, I hope that was
interesting.

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