Jameson Joins the Den

 Are tweets a true town square or just neon static? In this M3 Bear Cast, host Malcolm Travers invites 22-year-old communications grad Jameson into a circle usually held by forty- and fifty-somethings. The result: sparks of insight across the age gap.

Together they probe:

• Whether social media builds community or breeds counterfeit intimacy.
• How hope can be both lifeline and shackle in long-distance “situationships.”
• The performance of masculinity in queer spaces—and who gets to call it “real.”
• Coming-out tales that range from quiet inevitability to surprise plot twists.
• Workplace closets, generational blind spots, and the price of respect.

It’s a candid, crackling conversation that punches through clichés and side-eyes easy answers. Pull up a chair in the den—fresh perspectives and hard questions await.

Transcript

  📍  📍  Hello, and welcome to the M three Bear Cast. My name is Malcolm Traver. Male Media Mind is a grassroots organization dedicated to uplifting and unifying our community through dialogue, insight, creativity, and knowledge. And on the M three Bear Cast, I highlight topics that I usually bring up on the M three Live broadcast that's held on youtube.com/male medium mind two.

And I take those sections and I give them. A greater context and give you ideas as to why those topics came up. But in this episode, I'm actually introducing one of our newest panelists. His name is Jamison and he is our youngest panelist thus far for most of our live streams. We've been in the 40 to 50 age range, and he is fresh out of college, 22 years old, a communications major, and very much interested in the topics that we bring up.

Which I bring up a lot of topics around coming out, dating, communication, social media, and it's a well-rounded discussion that I also clue in. Greg, who is the host of the M three Live Saturday? Sit down at 1:00 PM on youtube.com/male medium mind.

I think a lot of times when we bring up topics about younger generations, it's hard for us, for those of us who are in our forties and fifties to really know what's going on in the minds of younger people. And so as a

attempt to be more accurate in our presentation of our topics. We're happy to have Jameson on the live streams and in this YouTube. And in this episode of the M three Bear Cast. We recorded this offline to see where his mind was on a host of different issues, and we were very impressed with what he had to say.

We have this in the next episode, which will just be exclusive to the M three Bear cast, but he's also a regular. On the M three live broadcast every Wednesday at 7:00 PM Eastern. Alright, I will get to our conversation with Jameson and I hope you enjoy.

  

 Why don't you introduce yourself? We, yeah, go ahead. So my name is James, or I'll, my nickname is Jameson, but I'm just gonna have to sit to one name or whatever. I'm 22 years old. I am from Stone Mind, Georgia. I live in Columbus. And what else? I'm an open book, so I can ask anything. I can, I'm open to everything.

Okay. So I'm interested in bringing up some topics with you. Like I said I have this idea of posting some questions to the different groups on Facebook and Twitter and getting some community feedback on different topics and starting a conversation on it. So I figure I will put one of these questions up and.

I guess I'll have you read it if you would, and then get your response to it. Here we go. Okay. Alright. So the question is, do you think social media gives you a real sense of community or is it just a distraction from deeper connections? I'll say a little bit of both. So it and connections. Are you just trying to try to build a relationship or just a friendship?

Social media can't help out because a lot of times people might slip on post their personal life or show their true colors, but I always strive to have that in-person intimacy, whether if it's on a, like I said, relationship status or just a platonic status. So that social media can be helpful, but at the same time it can be a blockage.

Trying to get to know that real person, to have that true connection with them. It's all about how you use it. 'cause a lot of people don't use social media a lot have realized that people on social media but don't utilize social media and there's people that utilize social media for good and horrible things.

So it just comes as a yeah, a caution to just be careful who you like talk to. 'cause sometimes people are just a flower on in real person, but on the internet they're the devil who knows. Yeah. So I get what you're saying to the idea that I think a lot of people utilize social media without actually using it in the sense that they probably look at people on social media, but they don't actually create much content themselves.

They may post a selfie here or there, but they're not really engaging in any sort of back and forth online, but they might meet people or, talk to people that they see online. The funny thing is, I think prior to, me doing this, I probably didn't use social media much.

I'm not one who shares a lot of personal information on my social media, but I try to push myself to do and I think mainly that might have to do with the fact of I live in Albany, Georgia. It's a small town and I think I do get the majority of my social interaction from connections that I have made on social media.

Of course, it goes off social media pretty quickly if we connect, and so I think for myself, I asked this question because one of the things I was trying to do then through early on was to try to make some sort of community surrounding ideas and, shared interests about different things.

And make content that could, produce feedback, in terms of comment threads and people can meet each other and see themselves in there without it necessarily have to be negative, because negative, clap backs and fights and shit like that as the stuff that gets the most attention online.

Yeah. Oh yeah, I get it. Yeah. A lot of negativity. Is it thrives on social? It does because, 'cause people want to see that. People want to see, even as a, I'm not even gonna hold you. If I see somebody get one to one to on Facebook, nine out 10, I'm gonna, I'm have to close eye and everything. Get a good view.

Yeah.

And so I, people want, the, people want the negative of the good. Of course. Yeah. I think it's a survival mechanism. Those who pay attention to negativity are more likely to avoid it in the future. And it's good to know the messiness so that where the, you know, to avoid in future conversations.

If these two people were fighting, you don't bring this person up so it comes up again or whatever. Or like you said, if they're in the club drinking, oh, they should probably not be drinking together. Oh my goodness. I'm glad you mentioned that. This so sidebar. I was out yesterday and I wasn't more so of a, I was in a wrong territory, the straight territory, but I end up hanging out with people that familiar with me.

Now, this kind of goes in with why I try to hang with people around my age. Okay. It's kinda hard. It's hard. Somebody was passed out drunk. Yeah. And I like, they couldn't, they barely can stand up. Like they're knocked out. They trying to carry him to the car. They're small people. This man, he ain't big.

But neither to say I have to carry that man over my shoulders, my back still hurts. My back hurts. Yeah. That's a Hannah, it's yeah. Oh yeah. That's the funny thing is I had a group of friends the funny thing is, I'm, I'll be 45 this year, and I think when I was hanging out with these group, they were in their twenties probably early, like 20, just graduated from school, maybe 22 to 27 at age range.

And we would play cards and get drunk and. Grill, it's very country. All these people were white too, I should have mentioned. But there was a lot of drinking. Oh my god, it was rough. And so I, I didn't have that situation. I wasn't carrying someone to their car. 'cause typically when we came to this house, we would sleep it off there and leave in the morning.

But God, I just, I hated it. I really did. I but it was literally the only social interaction I had. I eventually, I got tired of it to the point where I just said I would rather just, being home. But it is about fighting your people. And I think when I was younger, I typically hang, hung out with people older than myself.

And now that I'm that age, it's where I don't know how I. I guess it's whoever, I guess I could deal or I don't hang out with that many people regardless, so I, so okay. After coming up to the scene, like the gay I went to Atlanta. And that's when I went to, I think the first event went to Bulldogger when I turned 21. Yeah. And I already had friends older than me because I was on Growler, I was streaming up there. So this format I'm used to, yeah. Not so much of the blurriness, but that's neither here or there. I just always connected with older people. I'm not shaming people around my age and I don't want to give off that oh, I don't hang with people.

Immature. No. 'cause there's times where I can be immature, I can be nun, but older gentleman can be. Anybody can be o it can be annoying and immature. Yeah. A is not fact that but I just usually, I just find more of my community, a sense of my, I gravitate towards older people because I'm just, that's why I, that's why I fought lamb.

Yeah. There's times where I follow with the other side and it's I had a good, I have a good time, but it is just gonna be like, it's gonna be like, is this a good time today and tomorrow that you want you I'm dead to you, to the world. Like stuff like that. Yeah. So it's, man, it's also mainly 'cause I'm in Columbus and they're, they real clickish down here.

And I had you said, when you mentioned Albany, I was like, because. The girls down there. Gay. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't, yes, I know. Yeah. So I don't have an issue with the hanging people within and without our, outside of my race. So that's never an issue. It just, yeah, you gotta be careful because loyalty is real.

I'm gonna say it like that. Yeah. Sometimes people are loyal to who they're, who they are. Yeah. And what they stand on. So you might be, let's say I was passed out drunk some people, which I helped me out. Some people leave me there and I wake up empty pockets, empty shoes on eyebrow, missing all that.

Dunno what happens. That's so true. We'll definitely have to talk about that. It'd be great to have your perspective on, 'cause most of the contributors on here are my age or older. We have one. We have a few other guys in their thirties, but I don't think anyone in their twenties actually.

But alright, so let's move on to the next one. Let's see. Alright. Alright, so the, this question says, do you feel pressure to conform to traditional gender roles, even progressive or queer spaces? I don't think, for me, always, like I say, this is just gonna be the term for the year.

I ain't masculine, but I ain't feminine. Feminine. I can dress down to your trade over like masculine presenting form and still shake ass on the dance floor. And I don't just pop my lip, all that just my mannerisms. So all that being said that I have. I do see that people can be uncomfortable in a all masculine space.

Okay. And they probably like feminine presenting, but

space you were saying before. Yeah. Yes. I'm sorry. They're working on something outside and it just boom, that, that brick, that was that brick. But no. So back to what I was saying sometimes it can be uncomfortable in a setting where everyone's masculine, macho, I really wanna stick on macho, macho presenting.

Like they're wishing what it like kills me. They're trying to present like they're straight, but everyone knows that you're gay. It's seeping through your pores and it can be uncomfortable even on the other side. I think when you are in like a space where like people are just like more like very feminine to themselves, it can be uncomfortable to them.

Yeah. Where I feel I get in, I don't care if there's men and skirts. 'cause sometimes they be looking good. I ain't gonna hold, you mean with wigs and all that? That's it ain't for me. But I'm not going here to judge. I'm here. I'm just gonna love it all. 'cause that's, yeah. The point of community is to accept for, to accept individuality and let people do their own thing.

Even if it look like, something, they just woke up, up the, and they fell off the bed. You just have to keep it pushing. Let it be, 'cause at the end of the day, go end. Yeah. So I think one of the things that has come up for myself, and I think maybe for Greg as well, was the idea that if you're presenting masculine, then you are fronting by nature.

And, I don't know 'cause they don't know him when they say this, but, so they think that he is like a butch queen or something, like someone pretending to be butch and it's interesting 'cause I think maybe that has been their experience when they see someone hyper-masculine or just.

Being a dude, they just assume that this is the thing that you put on. But then I turn it back and say I think all of our pres presentation is in some way a performance doesn't necessarily mean that it's an inauthentic performance, right? Like we choose the words we wanna speak, I like to, speak with specificity.

I like to use the correct terms and correct grammar, whatever that's in its own way a performance. And I identify as male, I identify as masculine. And so I probably do in some ways perform masculinity, right? But it's not an inauthentic performance. I'm not trying to be something that I'm not. In fact, if anything, I'm trying to be more of who I am and letting go of the mean to be something that someone else wants me to be.

I think there has been times in my life where I was afraid of being more feminine, but that fear was completely unwarranted



because I don't know, it wasn't really a problem. Hey, how you doing? Wait, can y'all hear me? Okay. Yeah, we were rolling through some of these topics that I sent and we were talking about gender roles and the pressure to conform.

And lemme show you the, I sent it to you, but I made these so long ago and I never really posted them, so I figured we could Good morning. Some short, this was the question. Good morning. These are refresh to the traditions in the roles we progressive. God, that was a long time ago. Jesus.

Hello? I haven't had coffee or anything. Yeah, I'm trying to switch from coffee to like this sugar free energy drink. Fuck that nigga. I want all the beans, I want all that shit. My lemme turn on some lights in here. Hold on. I don't want my opinion to change somebody go back. That's the only thing I hate about going back, because and I guess your opinion should evolve, but anyway.

Hey James, tell me a little bit about you, buddy. So like I said, I'm, oh, I'm in the back. I'm 22 years old. I'm originally from Stone Mine by, I stay in Columbus, Georgia. You breaking my Bachelor's in Communic. Can you hear me? Yeah. Just keep still. I got my ba, my bachelor's in communication with a focus of pr i my master's, okay. I'm talking, I'm an open book, okay. Where did you where did you go to school? Columbus State University. Okay. Okay. Unfamiliar. Unfamiliar. Alright. All right. What made you reach out to M three? I've been on social media for quite some time. I have not seen, I did not know about the the recordings.

I just seen like pictures and I seen the tagline and then. I reached out to Malcolm because I was like interested and I know Dre, like I seen Are you usually on Growler streaming? But I didn't know you was streaming on this platform. Yeah. So I'm very like, there's different connection inter intertwining into this.

So I was like, okay, let me just hop on and see what they're talking about. See if I can fit it, I can get in. Yeah, I understand that. Definitely. Definitely. What are some things socially and personally that interest you? So as far as current events or just something from the past? Anything gay related, anything kind of gang related.

I think regarding like tv, not too much TV shows, but like I can do this much of anime. I just like to talk, I just to talk, run my mouth, join the club. Zero about an. I have to get guidance on that. Yeah. Yeah. So don't feel, you don't have to be versed in everything.

We're here to help. Malcolm has had the channel, what, 12, 13, 14 years? It'll be 12 years this after, at the end of this year. Yeah. And I think I've been doing this for about six or seven. It's a job. I, it's, it's a commitment. It's yeah, but it's it's well worth it.

I, that's the, I can say that the love and the feedback that you get from the audience is unparalleled. You know what I mean? If you see me on Growler, so hundreds of people daily coming to my streams I think I'm number four on growler. And I'm not selling sex. I just stream my podcast and I have find out I have to go on Friday nights or Saturday nights whenever I have the time to talk to people.

'cause they ask me questions during the stream and I have to go so they won't think I'm ignoring them. I have to go back into the, Hey, I heard you, I saw you there. I'll have 50, 60 questions. So I think weekly for M three it totals up about six or seven hours a week, which is not, we probably spend that watching tv.

Yeah. And we have started getting reach where, somebody, you on shoulder. In the grocery store or the last time I went out not the last time, but I went out to my favorite restaurant and a new server was like, I know that voice. I was like, oh gosh, please don't and it's, not saying that, you gonna be like Beyonce or nothing, but there's a certain amount of responsibility.

We have a responsibility to research our topics so we can tell the truth that we're not, we, I think the difference between us and other screaming podcast is we try not, we like isolation, we like relat sex talk, but we try to to mix it in with a little civility of relationship and news.

And we try to educate. I took a hiatus after Harris lost. Because I was hurt and I had election hurt, so I had to regroup. And then, I came back at it from a more satirical point of view. What would you think your role would be on M three? What would you so I'm just, like I said, I'm tapping my foot in the water.

I will, I would see this as a way to just kind get more comfortable on camera talking to people, because I can talk to Alexa, I talk to people in person and I have no issues like drawing a conversation. But as far as trying to provide like the different topics and being more like, trying to be accurate, I try to like.

Not too opinionated, more so factual in a sense. I focus on those type of things. Yeah. Excuse me. Opinions are perfectly fine. Don't let me, your opinion doesn't have, your opinion doesn't have to be based in fact, but we have to stay in my opinion, I'm saying.

Yeah. Just Sure. Or if you state something that you heard, just we have to make sure we say Yeah. Allegedly. Yeah. It started off as a not everything gonna be a part. It started off as a joke until one morning I got a call, true story from one of Whitney Houston's managers. One of the hosts had said something delicious about Whitney Houston.

And I got a phone call at 7:00 AM and was like, Greg, what the fuck is going on over there at M three? I'm like, hello. But I said, Hey, listen. He said. I know, we know each other. I was like, there ain't nothing do with journalism or podcasting, nothing. He reported on something he felt that was important.

We will go to bad for you if you're right. You know what I mean? So don't think that you opinion Yeah. Doesn't matter because, yeah, I didn't quite lose a friend, but he was, he's pissed. You know that shit. But don't, she was a famous person and you are the manager of her estate.

You should, we're not the first outlet to report on that and several other things but, opinions are okay. But when we were talking about news and things like this morning, just for instance, Malcolm and I cannot wait. One day, like all these videos now popping up about what's going on in Los Angeles.

And so I had to, ICE is doing all these raids, they're. They got school graduations, they nail shop and they are resting. So the lady that made this video, I posted, I said you are, we, I'm sorry for the Los Angeles community as a whole, but the undocumented people had need to have a conversation with their documented relatives.

We don't, I don't need to see this on my timeline. You need to go to their community and talk to them because they voted for this and they, just because, they think they, I don't know if it got lost in translation, but my cousin called me yesterday. I'm Afro-Cuban, by the way, James.

He's oh they're picking up our wives and our cousins. Yeah, you voted for this. Stuff like that, make sure if you're giving them opinion back. I think part of the reason I was watching a video on this from somebody, and I always come to this with a more sympathetic than they deserve position.

So granted this they are, they believed lies to begin with. Yeah. And I think this is, when you go down that road, they, the first lie that they believed was the lie that Donald Trump was telling when he came down that escalator, which is that they're rapists, they're murderers. Yeah. I assume that some of them are good people, I'm trying to get rid of criminals, quote unquote, and that was never the point.

The the whole idea of targeting a group of people is like the magic trick, right? When you are trying to distract someone from what you're really doing. By saying, look at the criminal over here. And it works. It obviously worked. Does. And even within people within their own communities, even even black and Latino people who are immigrants were in some ways in favor of Trump.

Like we talked about the idea that, crazy as it may sound, that Haitian immigrants, even after slurs of them eating cats and dogs were supporters of Trump. Yes. Yesterday. Crazy as That is crazy. 'cause a lot of them are, it's a bandwagon. Yeah. A lot of them hate other people. A lot of them hate trans people.

They, and just like we have elections coming up next November here. 11. Yeah. And now the first thing is Ossoff supports, supports trans people. Now, thank God that they love John Ossoff. And I think, when but that's the first thing they're going for. They have no policy. They have no, no nothing.

I think Keisha Lance Bottoms has a good chance as Cindy, she put on her good wig. She took, yeah. They're both really good politicians, just in general. When you hear them speak, you're like, oh, they're confident. Yeah. And I think she's gonna get all off and she's gonna get warnock with his yummy ass.

I'm sorry dude, I can't even we had a meeting and he spoke and it was just like. I just couldn't. Yeah, he's pretty awesome. I gotta see him in person campaigning. We rounding you up at two 30. Come on, get in and I'll be like, okay. Alright. Lemme do some more of these. I said I'm gonna make maybe these into videos to post and we can all comment on these.

This will be the next one. Wait wait a minute. I just realized I just popped it in the middle of a recording. I'm sorry. Yeah, we're in the middle of recording. It's fine. James, do you wanna read this? Yeah.



Have you ever stayed in a situationship longer than you should? Should've just to avoid being alone.

Ooh,

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You haven't? I have not, bro. You know that, so James, just a background back when I've been friends for over 20 years, so I was like, why you even ask me that, bro? Better. No, never. As soon as I'm not getting spiritually, mentally, or physically fed it's the problem.

Yeah. I don't think, even with your buddy that used to call me daddy all the time I think that's maybe a week too long. Maybe. So what do you think is the reason people stay too long? Convenience. It's convenient. It's hard to push the panic button and walk away.

You have a dinner partner, you have a dance partner, you got a movie buddy, you. So people, I think the mistake is James, and you can jump in if you want. I. People forget that you're losing a friend. Yeah. Top of everything else. Yeah. Losing a best friend. Go ahead. I'm gonna say this is one of my darker thoughts, but I think it's hope.

I remember. Okay, so there's two. You, James, you said you're into mythology, so I'm gonna talk a little mythology for you. Two times where hope was seen as, I think something other than what it was. The first was Pandora's box. If you remember the myth of Pandora's box was like all the evils in the world were contained in this one box, and they were told not to open it.

Pandora opens the box and all the evil spill out the box, but before she can close it, one thing was left inside and that was hope. But oftentimes we say why is hope in a box full of evil things? It's because. In the wrong context. Hope is an evil thing. Hope. Hope will have you hanging on to something that you need to be letting go of.

Yeah. And you're so attached, you're so attached to it. And the other one had to do with Dante's Inferno. Now this is in a, it's, it is from the poem called The Divine Comedy Infer. It was broken into three parts Paradiso what is it? Limbo and Inferno. Inferno. So it's like heaven limbo and hell.

And as you're entering into hell there's like a message from God that just says, abandon all hope. And it was supposed to be like, a scary thing. We took it to be scary thing, but it was, but last Mercy that God offers you, it's 'cause you. Once you enter here, there, hope is gonna be the thing that makes you suffer the most



because that's basically the dependence of the Catholic religion.

Yeah. Hell, oh God, I hate to go down this road because I'm right now. Hell and hope, that, that's the thing. And there's a fourth one. That's kinda like an in-between, which is salvation. I think that we I think we constantly, I, the human condition cannot exist with all those, without all those things.

I think we have to exist with hope. We have to exist with suffrage. Suffrage. Yeah. Unfortunately does a thing it does make us stronger. It does. It did. It can't for certain, like when there is a chance or, but I'm just thinking about in the terms of relationships, like holding onto a relationship where you'd have this.

Unconfirmed optimism that this person can change or the situation can change. Just say you happen to be in a long distance relationship and the, your financial situation is such that neither of you are gonna move anytime soon, but you stay in this because you're like it could.

You mentioned relationship and just like the main question. I experienced it before. Will I do it again? Oh, no, but being in a wrong long relationship was quite difficult because I tend to get lonely. I want that physical. Attention. I like, not even on a sexual level, but just someone to just be in my space.

If you're in my space, I'm comfortable, I feel secured. And that's a lot of times I try to do that via FaceTime or sleep on the phone. And it worked out for a tad bit, but I had to end the relationship and it was hard. But I had to be innocent, an adult about it because I didn't wanna stay that I knew was gonna keep hurting me, and I didn't wanna hurt the other person.

Now granted, they felt some type of way. Eventually after the conversations talking blocked and unblocking, we had a we come agreement like. You know what I'm saying? It had to be done. You are all the way in Texas. I'm in Georgia. It's not like I'm Finn walk and get in my car, do too minute drive Hey, here, unlock the door.

No, it's not like that. Yeah. And yeah, no, an adult thing. That's rough for that. I do know people that stay in those situations for years. They, we have a viewer that's married to somebody in Europe and he lives in New York. Yeah. But they have regular contact. Like they're trips are scheduled years in advance.

Like they, and that's, and that's the basis of, because stuff like that would not happen if there's no commitment, communication, and, it's money, but yeah, that is true. Yeah, that's true. Commitment, communication, and money. Say like that. I probably, when I was a, I'm a romantic at heart, but I was a bit more romantic as a younger person and I would be more apt to try then, but as a 52-year-old motherfucker now, nah, I'm good.

I'm good. We were talking about that, like we could definitely use James' input on some of these, 'cause I, it's called the curse of knowledge. You sometimes forget what it was like, not to know what you know now or to experience what you've experienced now. That's probably the.

I've lost. Yeah. And you're supposed to lose it. That's the point. And then in turn it, but it leads to stuff like anxiety. That's what we get. That's true. But I'm just thinking like this is the strength of being a younger person is that you're willing to take more risks. That's what gets you into more positive and negative situations is that you're willing to put more risk in.

Yeah. I would say this jumping off the porch allows me to see the real world and see beyond the fakeness within people. There's I always tell myself, and I always tell other people, there's always room for improvement. And so I don't know everything and I don't wanna know everything.

I think everything's gonna, it is gonna, there'll be times where I have obstacles and I'm gonna, that brick that one brick gonna fall down and all you have to do is get up or lay down. And I'm gonna try to get a 10. All right. Let me see. I got another one for you. Lemme see if this one has. How?

Alright. How do you get along with your coworkers? Are you all at work or do you keep your personal life at work separate? So James, I came in asking questions 'cause I'm an HR professional, so what I do for a living, no, I'm not particularly out at work, but I, and I try to keep it separate, but I don't have a problem.

You know what I mean? I think that comes with this 50-year-old wisdom, if need be. Yeah. You know what I mean? Of course, but generally speaking I just, unless it affects you, so if you got married, you would have to say, if you were partnered and your partner was sick, like you went to your boss hey, surprise nigga, i'm a homeowner, my boys sick in the house. Not quite. Yeah. But I think, but luckily as time goes on, despite the regime that we're living under now, it's a little more accepted.

So we don't have to we don't have to live in the shadow as we did before. It's a, you guys as generation, I ain't gonna say y'all gotta make, because you have your own separate set of issues when it comes to, to, those issues. Yeah, I was gonna say it is, it's, it has to be different for a younger generation just thinking about but how different, not really.

I don't know. 'cause I was just thinking about how it blew my mind when someone noted to me that, Noah's Ark was like the only totally gay, black. Fictional story, like where the entire cast was gay and black. And I, that kind of blew my mind and for the most part. Isn't it still that way?

For the most part? It is. And it hasn't changed in 20 years. That's the point I was trying to make is that came out in 2006 and, they're coming out with a movie this summer or whatever, but I don't see that there's been much change in the last 20 years. Which is what's crazy though, because Noah's a was, I know a Noah's a I seen episodes, but.

As a youth man, that's a YouTube junkie. That wasn't the first thing, that wasn't the first all black gay content that was shown to me. I was watching it certain, a movie I gotta put, I gotta try to find it, but it was a movie that talked about the a pan pandemic epidemic. And that's something that caught caught my attention.

It was a one where it was like, they was in like, not Jamaica, but I think an African or Caribbean country, and they were just trying to live their lives as homosexual, stuff like that. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah, I feel like it is, I feel like sometimes you have to research the content that you want for yourself.

If you wanna all, if you wanna watch all black gay content and. Noah's Art, maybe not the, maybe not your thing. This, there's YouTube, there's Netflix there's a lot of short stories. But now we're talking about just in general, like over time now that stuff exists, but we're talking about just the passage of time.

Yeah. As, as comfortable as you would be to being out. But you're right though in the sense that I'm looking at it from a standard of network television when we really shouldn't be looking at it that way. I was just making the point to you, Greg. Maybe it was to you that YouTube as a company is large, is the largest network of distributing content anywhere.

The second one is Netflix, and so they just surpassed Netflix as being the largest company. Of course, most YouTube things are self, independently created. Streams and stuff like that. But like as far as money and revenue, more money is made from YouTube than from, making produced television now.

Yeah. Which is, I don't know. So I'm just saying we shouldn't discount those, independently made. Gay black content. Yeah. Yeah.



So speaking of producer, did you get into Plex? You said Plex? No, I'm asking Malcolm. Malcolm, did you get into Yeah, I did. I got to C Centers last night with my mom.

It was great. Okay. Check out Mr. Loveman while you in there, Mr. Loverman. Yeah. It's about eight, eight episodes. Okay. It explores a story of an older Jamaican man who had this lover for 25 years, but they both were married to females 'cause they were Caribbean. Okay. Fair story. I'm not gonna take it. I think I might have seen some clips on Twitter.

Yeah. Actually know. I know. That's real life. Yeah. Real life. It's real life. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And it's really, you think about the things, God bless. James, I have a question, because you Yes, sir. What, at 22, what was your coming out like? What was your coming out for?

Okay ah, okay. Boom, I went to, I was coming home with my friend. We're gonna say friend, but that was my boyfriend. Okay. I was about as in Okay. But they didn't know they, my mom did not know now coming home, home from school. I was in high school. Oh, okay. Yeah. I was in high school. And we hung out and everything. My sister caught us kissing a cuddle, so I never came out officially. I just got caught. But even bohi, like even both high school, it always been a question of are you gay? Or do you like men? Stuff like that has always questioned because of the actions I had gotten to it was my fault.

But I never really had a come out store. But I had a good one though. I didn't, I got so so when your sister got you, because my knows it, I got three sister, but my, the sister that probably would've caught me, I've never been caught. She probably, so was it that.

My sister, my other sister, my middle sister, she's queer. So it's not it wasn't like a big secret about the homosexual life, homosexual lifestyle. Even my brother on my dad's side he's openly gay. So that wasn't an issue. It was more so like why you telling me? So it, so at this point it was more like, why in the hell did you say something?

We, it was more, it was like, we knew, but like, when are you gonna come to tell us? And ever since then, I just bloomed. So tell your mom was like, she knew already, or? My sister. My sister. And her boyfriend was like my nigga duh. Like we you're shaking.

You're shaking ass. You're switching. You're like, and today is Tuesday, my nigga. What? My God, like for me though, I never really had a coming down story. It was really different because, I've been married, I got kids, I got grandkids. So I think my sister is one day we were just having lunch and, so she was like, you think you'll ever get married again?

I was like, oh, not to a woman. She was like, what?

She was like, are you serious? I was like, oh God. Oh bitch, I'm 30. I'm 30, 40, whatever, however old I was at the time. And she was like, no, I had no fucking idea. I was like you stupid. You know what I mean? Because no obvious attempt trying to hide the shit, you know what I'm saying? I used to, I didn't bring random dudes around my family, but I'm online.

I have a presence. I got 5,000, 10,000 homos, 20, 20,000 all across all platforms. 25, thousand homos, I often do shirtless stuff. I just, and so I and I just say, I'm like, were you not paying attention now, Malcolm, what was your deal? I know this stuff.

Oh. There's that, and I have a another story I was a question I was gonna ask you after I tell you mine, mine, I was maybe 15 years old and I got into a, like a teller, a correspondence with someone who lived in New York. And I was thinking about, going to visit and before I decided to go, I wanted to come out.

What was that? Okay. I said, now at 15, I wanna beat your ass behind me. Mind you, when I was 15, I was about the same size as I am now. Like I was a. That's part of the I wasn't scared of whatever, but anyway, I'd never ended up going. But I literally had a movie night with my mom and I showed her like a comedy and a drama with gay characters.

And then I came out to her afterwards. The movies were in and out and as good as it gets, you would use media. That is so you, that is so what was your question? But I had a, my question was about people who are clearly gay but will not come out. And this actually had to do with my mom, a student of hers.

She had been teaching him since he was five. He just graduated with a master's degree in music. He is a professional opera singer and he is fabulous. He is the gayest person. Who has ever lived? You know what I'm just saying? You dunno. You dunno. That man's story, he could be a pleasant, he could be straight, but he is a still a drag queen.

You know what I'm saying? If he likes pussy he like be pussy with a wig on. I'm just saying he is a woman. Some something with a twist. And obviously off that brother, you could just be fabulous. But that's the thing, we don't care. I know. The question is are we doing something wrong?

This is the question that my mom and my mom's friend. 'cause they're like best friends, and they, she sees this man, the young man as her surrogate, son, godmother. She feels like she's her godmother, I guess they are. And he is why ist ye come out to us like.

Because we just wait. We're not gonna say nothing till you ready. We ready for you to tell us who your new for your boyfriend is, because it's like, are you dating? Listen, the glasses, the glass is clear. Maybe he doesn't feel like he, maybe he's so naturally himself. Maybe he feels like it's, he does seem comfortable with himself.

I'll give you that. Like he doesn't seem like he's closeted. It's like one of those things, James and I, yeah, we all just heard this from James. Sometimes it is a foregone conclusion. You know what I'm saying? Let me, so right. He, and he doesn't seem unhappy. That's what I was telling. I like, he doesn't seem closeted, he doesn't seem repressed.

He doesn't seem unhappy. So and I'm sure he's gonna look at them and oh, I thought you, this is not a conversation that, that we shoulda have had. I have a cousin, my first cousin, I love her nickname Hammer, her nickname has been Hammer since she was three. I remember being somewhere and it's a little girl, she would just rip off her dress like, I don't wanna put it on.

And then even as a kid, she wore overall she was a dude. And now, of course she's, I don't know what, whatever title she has, I don't know, non-binary sex. I don't know what the fuck they call each, all that shit. But it was never a coming out for her. It was just she's hammered now.

The odd story is her birth name is Qua. Okay. And it's and she doesn't hate her name, she doesn't hate her gender, but she was born somewhat male and nobody ever had to ask the question, oh, are you lesbian? She never had a coming out story because we've, even when she showed up to family function with pretty women, we just assumed, like most of us, oh, is this your best friend?

No baby. That's not her best friend. Oh no. They carried around babies and strollers and shit. And I understand with me it was a little different, because it could, that could easily be my homeboy, but I wanted him, whoever he was at the time, I was dating him to have the respect, yeah. It's it's, don't Okay. Respect him. You know what I mean? And I think that's important. And I think that's what the positive relationships. You know what I mean? It is okay to be cool in that whole mass, from mass thing. I get it. But it's about respect. You have to, because have I seen being this age, have I seen the case where one homo dies and the other one has to leave the house that he helped pay for because that's your homeboy.

You know what I mean? You don't think enough of the homie to fix shit up so his mama them won't come. And Yeah, there's way too many people. Yeah. Luckily now, for the moment, marriage is the remedy for that. Yeah. I know people that are secretly married right now. I'm like, y'all.

Yeah. Y'all gonna tell motherfuckers y'all want. No I'm like, okay, bro. I want my toaster back, nigga. Y'all living in secretly?



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