Episode 67 - Queenie Lau SC

This episode features Senior Counsel Queenie Lau, who reflects on her early years at boarding school in the UK, university days at Cambridge and her subsequent career in the legal profession, including her initial steps as a corporate solicitor before deciding her future lay at the Bar. Queenie speaks with our Senior Partner Colin Cohen. Stay tuned. 

00:37 Meet Queenie Lau
01:46 Life and Schooling
04:00 Choosing Cambridge Law
05:52 From Solicitor to Barrister
07:55 Early Bar Practice
09:24 Judicial Sitting and Balance
10:09 Greater Bay Qualification
11:22 Mediation and Arbitration
12:01 Taking Silk and CFA
14:41 Advice for Aspiring Barristers
16:44 Bar Association and Service
17:58 Sports Arbitration Spotlight
19:06 Travel and Photography
21:05 Stage and Music Memories
21:57 Hong Kong Disputes Future
23:07 Temple Chambers Culture
24:34 Closing Thanks 

 Host: Colin Cohen
Director: Niall Donnelly
Producer and VO: Thomas Latter         

Established in 1985, Boase Cohen & Collins is an independent law firm equipped with Hong Kong knowledge and global reach. Please visit our website. 

Transcript

[00:37:00] Colin: Hello, everyone. Today, I'm delighted to be joined by Queenie Lau. She is a Senior Counsel. Born and raised in Hong Kong, Queenie studied law at the best possible University. Cambridge, of course. And briefly tried being a solicitor before realizing that her true calling was a Barrister. She is described by Chambers and Partners as a, quote, "Meticulous and thorough," while Legal 500 lauds her as first rate.

She was also amongst the first batch of Hong Kong lawyers to qualify for legal practice in the Greater Bay Area. Queenie, welcome to Law & More. And I always ask my guests, what's been keeping you busy recently?

[00:37:47] Queenie: Thank you so much for having me, Colin. So just for the past few months, it's been a good mix of litigation and arbitration which is quite usual for me.

Oral closings in two trials, one trial that settled one Putonghua arbitration, and a few arbitrations as arbitrator. So a good mix. Oh, and an injunction application a week and a half ago.

[00:38:07] Colin: So you've been exceptionally busy. Let's go back in time. I'm always interested in your upbringing, your parents, your school days.

I understand you were a very good student. So tell us a little bit about it, your background.

[00:38:21] Queenie: So I was born in Hong Kong, and I was in Hong Kong until I was aged around three and a half, four, when my parents and I moved to Geneva in Switzerland because of my dad's job. And we were there until I was eight before I came back to Hong Kong.

Went to a local school for a few years, and then I read Enid Blyton's Malory Towers and got conned into going to boarding school in England 'cause I thought it would be all midnight feasts and playing tricks on teachers.

[00:38:47] Colin: Which school was that?

[00:38:48] Queenie: Cheltenham Ladies College.

[00:38:49] Colin: Cheltenham Ladies College, an excellent place.

[00:38:51] Queenie: So I was there at Cheltenham for seven years before I went to Cambridge and then back to Hong Kong to work.

[00:38:57] Colin: So what made you get interested in law?

[00:39:00] Queenie: I have to say a lot of TV. Both some of the TVB dramas there's one called 壹號皇庭, and also some American ones like The Practice and that was really what drew me and attracted me.

[00:39:11] Colin: Now your father was reasonably senior in government and your mother was, and I still understand, a school headmistress. Did that help you along the way to becoming a lawyer, or did they tell you that you've got to do law at all? 

[00:39:25] Queenie: No, they didn't at all. They actually left me to really decide for myself.

There was a brief period of time when I even thought about doing music. And actually even that would've been fine as long as I did it seriously and properly. But yeah they really left me to really choose and forge my own path.

[00:39:41] Colin: That's good. And boarding school, did you enjoy it?

[00:39:43] Queenie: Yeah, it was a good experience. I think different people are suited to different things, so boarding school may not be for everyone. But I certainly grew a lot and I really enjoyed being able to really see life in England. 'Cause in those days parents didn't come over for every single exeat, and we didn't fly back to Hong Kong for every half term.

So I would go and stay with my friends in a whole range of homes, which I enjoyed very much, and I'm still in touch with many of them.

[00:40:07] Colin: That's great. My grandson is now age 11 in French International School, and my daughter's giving me grief saying that he must go to boarding school, and you're staying with me the weekend.

And then when I mentioned it, he just looked at me and said, "No going." Anyway, you're studying away in, Cambridge. What made you decide to go to Cambridge? I'm glad you did that as opposed to Oxford.

[00:40:27] Queenie: Yes. I have to say, more people from Cheltenham actually go to Oxford, but I went on law open days and visits at both universities, both Oxford and Cambridge, and I much preferred the look of the Cambridge buildings, so quite simple reasons.

And because I spent perhaps a little bit longer for a long weekend at Cambridge, I had more of a chance to see the place. I found it very charming, very beautiful and it was just more different, I think, from Cheltenham.

[00:40:51] Colin: And you picked Trinity.

[00:40:52] Queenie: I did. 

[00:40:52] Colin: My dad went to Trinity Hall.

Oh. My first cousin went to Trinity. I went to Downing.

[00:41:00] Queenie: I see. 

[00:41:00] Colin: Downing was a law college when I was back in the '70s was a law college. I presume but Trinity Hall is law now, but Trinity was good. Enjoy yourself there?

[00:41:09] Queenie: Absolutely. Loved it.

[00:41:10] Colin: Did any work? 

[00:41:12] Queenie: Tried to do a little but I have to say I did a lot of other fun things as well.

[00:41:16] Colin: Yeah. And What made you decide to do the LLM or do the master's at cambridge? 

[00:41:20] Queenie: I didn't actually. The one I have is the freebie one. 

[00:41:23] Colin: So you didn't do a masters.

[00:41:24] Queenie: I didn't do a master's.

[00:41:25] Colin: Now, a lot of people do a master's as well. But you had the Jardine scholarship, was very useful, I 

[00:41:30] Queenie: presume.

 Yes, absolutely.

[00:41:31] Colin: Any particular lecturers who stood out as who you enjoyed going to?

[00:41:36] Queenie: Yeah. Tony Weir was a really

[00:41:37] Colin: Oh, Tort, the tort 

[00:41:38] Queenie: man.

Yeah, tort. Yeah. And also Roman law. Yeah. And of course he was in my college so I had the benefit of having him as my supervisor as well.

Yeah, so people like him were very inspiring. I really liked Virgo. Actually, seeing him during that law weekend-

[00:41:52] Colin: Graham Virgo is now Master of Downing. Yes. And he was out here very recently, and I was busy entertaining him and showing him around.

[00:41:59] Queenie: But he was very charming, very charismatic, very dynamic. So it was great to see him in action as well.

[00:42:04] Colin: Yeah, he does appear before the Supreme Court and does other work as well. So at Cambridge, defeated the examiners. Decent degree, I suspect, because you're very clever and very bright. Back to Hong Kong. You did the PCLL?

[00:42:18] Queenie: I did.

[00:42:19] Colin: And why did you want to become a solicitor?

Any reasons as why in Slaughter and May? That's what you were told to, or did you just feel you've at least you can have a go at that?

[00:42:28] Queenie: Yeah. When I was doing my studies, I wasn't very sure and I feel that if one isn't very sure, then perhaps the bar may not be the way forward because once you join the bar, you're on your own. So it's pretty tough? And because I wasn't very sure, I thought, okay, and I got the benefit of a training contract.

So I picked, Slaughter and May because I'd deliberately picked a very solicitory solicitor's firm, if I can put it that way. Because I thought, "If I'm going to do litigation I'm gonna go all the way and go and do the Bar," 'cause I like talking too much. But but if I'm gonna try and be a solicitor, let's go and try and do a sort of more corporate career.

So that's why I went there, to try that out.

[00:43:02] Colin: And you did your traineeship with them, got admitted as a solicitor.

[00:43:06] Queenie: Exactly.

[00:43:07] Colin: What type of cases were you doing?

[00:43:09] Queenie: So as a trainee, you move around different departments I only got a little bit of litigation there.

When I went to London, it was actually quite fun, 'cause I was sitting with a partner who was in charge of all the Arsenal work, ... for Slaughters. So that was fun seeing that. And of course I saw various corporate deals here in Hong Kong as well so that was good.

But fairly early on I discovered that although I really enjoyed learning all these new things and the two years were very stimulating pretty early on I knew this was not necessarily what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. And so I started thinking about what other possibilities there were what might I like to try and then I decided to go for the Bar.

And I've never looked back since. It really suits me.

[00:43:47] Colin: really fun. So you did your pupillage with-- Who were your pupil masters?

[00:43:50] Queenie: I did six months with Godfrey Lam, who's now in the Court of Appeal.

[00:43:53] Colin: Indeed. Delivered a very good dissenting judgment for me on Monday in a very long-running criminal case, but- Oh, wow ... dissenting. Yes. We still got one charge left. 

[00:44:03] Queenie: I see, 

[00:44:04] Colin: I see. 

[00:44:05] Queenie: Yeah, so six months with Godfrey. Three months with Horace Wong SC. Three months of criminal pupillage with Selwyn Yu SC. And then I did a bit of extended pupillage with Paul Share SC.

[00:44:15] Colin: All right. So you liked the Bar.

[00:44:17] Queenie: I really like the Bar. 

[00:44:18] Colin: So tell us about your early cases, the type of work you did.

So by that time, what type of work were you doing early on? 

[00:44:24] Queenie: I think I've always had a pretty decent mix of cases being led and cases on my own. I started doing defamation pretty much right from the start.

I was working with Anderson Chow SC a lot, Paul Shea SC a lot. On my own I did quite a lot of cases for banks also some conveyancing cases, and perhaps one that stood out in my very early days was Pedo and Compass Technology. I think it was your firm on the other side actually. Yes. And then I was still citing it fairly recently one of the leading cases on conspiracy.

So that was pretty fun. Yeah.

[00:44:55] Colin: And you were always at Temple or were you- 

[00:44:56] Queenie: Always Temple, yeah.

[00:44:57] Colin: I like Temple. They're very good people there.

It's a very good comradeship. And you were looked after by the senior counsels.

[00:45:03] Queenie: Exactly.

[00:45:05] Colin: But then you did lots of other work as well. 

[00:45:07] Queenie: Yes. I think that's one of the things that I really enjoy about the Bar. The range of cases is very broad, and there's a real variety. Yeah, so I think one of my big cases at the start was the PWC trial.

So it was set down for a very long time. It was before Mr. Justice Rayhaes who actually was very instrumental in my going from solicitor to Barrister because I'd actually done my first mini-pupillage with him, and he had always said to me "The Bar is your destiny." And he's right.

And Salma is brilliant. He was a colleague of mine when I was a lecturer at Hong Kong University, and we worked together, and I sat on various tribunals with him.

Oh, wonderful. Yes.

[00:45:41] Colin: He's a really good guy. Very clever and a very good judge, 

[00:45:45] Queenie: Absolutely. 

[00:45:46] Colin: So you then developed a little bit. You did a little time as a deputy district court judge and a deputy master. Enjoy that?

[00:45:53] Queenie: Yes. It was very fun. I think sitting is always fun, seeing things from a different perspective and seeing when it, when one is a decision-maker what does one have to think about which actually has made me reshape some of the some of the ways in which I represent some of my own cases.

[00:46:08] Colin: Yeah. And, someone said that you're a bit of a workaholic. Is that a fair assessment of your approach? I'm not too sure about that.

[00:46:16] Queenie: I work very hard. I probably to some extent a workaholic. But I am trying to see if I can have one day a week. That's a very new thing actually that I'm trying to do. But although I work very hard, I also do a lot of other things as well. So, I don't only do work. But yeah, learning to have that sort of balance and.

[00:46:32] Colin: Yeah. Okay. The Greater Bay Area as I said, you were one of the early batch who qualified. Have you done a-- First batch. Have you done any work in the Greater Bay? Have you made use of that qualification

[00:46:43] Queenie: I haven't done any cases there. Sometimes when I go and do ... have speaking engagements in Shenzhen, et cetera, then I will go and visit the law firm that I'm attached to. So I maintain good relations with them.

I think for me it was most helpful doing this qualification because it gave me a sort of bird's eye view of PRC law. Obviously, PRC law is massive, and when one prepares for the exam, one can't study everything and learn everything. But it did give me a good bird's eye view. And because we are so often have to work with PRC law in our cases it gives me a better sense of what is likely to be right, what is not likely to be right.

So I think that for me is the biggest benefit.

[00:47:19] Colin: Yeah. And I think it's very important 'cause people do not realize you go over the border now, how massive ninety million people just within over that bridge. Yeah. And it's incredible growth there, I went there on a delegation with the Secretary of Justice a few years ago for the Greater Bay Area.

We did one to Shanghai as well, and there's a huge amount of potential between Hong Kong and the Greater Bay Area with regard to mediation and arbitration. Yeah. Now, that's an area which you are quite keen on, being a mediator and being an arbitrator. Do you like How much of your time is spent doing mediation and arbitration?

[00:47:54] Queenie: I would say maybe 20% of my time sitting as arbitrator. A bit less acting as mediator, but I do enjoy the mix. I think mediation especially I feel it's a very different role from being a lawyer normally arguing cases, but some cases really should be settled, and if I can help with that, then that, that's very satisfying.

[00:48:13] Colin: Yeah. I think mediation is a bit of an art. I mediate a little bit now. I used to do quite a bit, but it really depends upon if the parties are really willing to deal with it as well. 2024 was a big moment for you when you was admitted to the Inner Bar, and for our listeners, that means you became a senior counsel equivalent to the King's Counsel.

A lot of people think very carefully before doing that. You're young so has that been a change in your legal career?

[00:48:43] Queenie: A change to some extent. But I think for many of us in the run-up to taking silk? You start reshaping your practice a little bit in that you start bringing juniors into your cases. More to test the waters a bit and see whether this works in terms of whether the solicitors are willing to let me have someone more junior. How it is in the court when I have someone more junior.

So from that perspective it's not too different. But I think after taking silk one, one change is that I am working more with people outside my chambers as well, because sometimes there may be a junior who's not from my chambers. And so I get to work with more people and a wider range of people, which I'm enjoying.

[00:49:18] Colin: And a lot of people once said that once you become a senior counsel, has your practice expanded. Some people get a little bit worried, "Oh, I've become a senior counsel. Will I still get the instructions from my solicitors?" 

[00:49:29] Queenie: I've been very blessed and very fortunate.

So I haven't seen any sort of drop or any dip. So I've remained very busy. But also one thing I did is I didn't immediately raise my prices, my rates. And that's because when I was Godfrey's pupil and he took silk, he said to me, "Ah I'm still the same man, so I'm not gonna immediately jack up my hourly rates."

And so I always remembered that, and I thought it was a nice way of approaching it.

[00:49:52] Colin: You've now become a senior counsel, so you have to mentor the the juniors in your chambers. But you've had the ability to appear in the Court of Final Appeal- Yeah ... in a quite an interesting case. Yeah. Which has got a bit of publicity, did you enjoy the Court of Final Appeal?

[00:50:06] Queenie: I did. I did. Being before the CFA is very different from any other court because there are five judges, first of all, so a lot more judges than in any other court.

And they've all obviously spent a lot of time reading in and thinking about it. And they may not be asking things in turn or in a very o-organized way, if I can put it that way. Sometimes they all shoot questions at you. So it's both fun and exciting, but also something that really keeps one on one's toes.

[00:50:33] Colin: And again, our listeners will be very interested. In the Court of Final Appeal, it's on video. It live streaming, and I was watching it, and really your one was not an easy job you had.

[00:50:43] Queenie: Not easy at all. 

[00:50:44] Colin: A difficult case, and you were having to deal with matters as regarding matters as well.

So what other work ... anything new since you've become a leading counsel?

[00:50:53] Queenie: Perhaps not new areas as such but perhaps cases which are even more difficult and even more complex than before in terms of depth perhaps even more cross-border work.

I think that's probably that.

[00:51:04] Colin: Now I was in Hong Kong University giving a lecture on the pitfalls of litigation to all the PCLL students.

I'm an external examiner, so a lot of them turned up, close to 200, and I said hands up.

How many of you are becoming Barristers? And I only counted five or six hands. 

I do feel, there may be others who want to go to the bar. So how would you talk to students and say, "Look, the bar is a good place for your career"?

[00:51:28] Queenie: Yeah. I would say It's very important to find something you enjoy.

So if you think that the bar is something that you enjoy, then I would personally suggest everyone is young enough to try and pursue their dreams. I personally would suggest that people set perhaps a time limit, so maybe, say, three years or five years, and see whether it works out. If it really doesn't by the end of five years, for example, then maybe this isn't the right path for this particular person.

But I always think it's worth trying, and we spend so much time at work, whichever career path we choose, and so I really think it's worth trying to find something that suits you. 

[00:52:03] Colin: And I know now for students to do what's called their pupillage, sensible chambers will get a little bit of money 'cause the idea is to follow the English practice of paying, where you can get paid during your pupillage as well.

And also once you finished your pupillage, it's getting, a place in chambers. So it's not easy for them. How do you see that improving, do you think, the career for a young Barristers?

Very difficult, I think.

[00:52:28] Queenie: It's definitely not easy but I suppose many things in life are not terribly easy. Pupillage is actually now paid for everyone. Yes. So everyone gets a small sum, and then in chambers like mine, we also sometimes give devilling to other people's pupils, and pay them for that.

[00:52:43] Colin: For devilling, can you explain to our listeners what is meant by devilling?

[00:52:46] Queenie: Yes, so sometimes we may off record bring in someone to help with some research, for example, a bit of drafting, that sort of thing where they are not officially on the case and may not be doing all parts of the case, but I may just need a bit of help on one particular point, for example.

And I may get a bright pupil to come and help me, and I will pay that pupil. So a bit of pocket money and experience for that pupil.

[00:53:07] Colin: That's good. Now, you've been very reasonably active in the Hong Kong Bar Association. Tell us a little bit about that.

[00:53:13] Queenie: Yes. So the Hong Kong Bar Association has a council and that's what really governs the policy perhaps behind the bar.

The Bar Association tries to look after its members as best as possible. So sometimes when members, for example, have difficulty with legal aid work, for example how to arrange the fee collection, et cetera. That sort of thing the bar may be able to help liaise and speak out for its members.

[00:53:38] Colin: Yeah. And since you became a Senior Counsel you are obliged or you do take up various public appointments. So you've got quite a few at the moment. How much of your time has taken up? I know you were non-exec of the Mandatory Provident Fund, Insurance Authority, Disciplinary Panel.

I'm on that as well. So you don't get too many of those cases, but it takes up your time doing all of that.

[00:53:59] Queenie: It does a bit. But I've always done quite a lot of public service, so even before taking silk I've sat on a, quite a large number of these appeal boards and committees, et cetera. So the change hasn't been huge.

Probably a few hours here, a few hours there. But I think it's worth it because I do learn and see different things. And I hope I can also sometimes contribute slightly different perspectives as well.

[00:54:21] Colin: Okay. So now it takes me into a nice area of sports arbitration. Now, everyone knows I love my sport, and I'm very much involved in matters.

And the law society got together, and we had a mock sports arbitration with a couple of squash players and all the rest as well. And we were on the panel. And we had an ex-high court judge? Mohammed Wadi was very good. Yourself as eminent counsel, and me.

I found that very enjoyable. I wonder whether you enjoyed yourself.

[00:54:48] Queenie: Absolutely. Yeah. It was very fun. It was very fun. I have to say, that was actually my first taste of sports arbitration myself, so it was a good opportunity.

[00:54:55] Colin: Yeah. It was amazing, actually. The whole room was full up with very eminent people from the sporting. We had people from all the associations and all the rest. And we had Azan taking us through the issues then we dealt with, and then we dealt with matters. I behaved a little bit not naughty, but I went off piece a little bit. But again it was quite an interesting? 'cause we had a lot of role play we had to play with all the matters as well.

So hopefully you'd get involved in sports law.

[00:55:19] Queenie: I hope so. I hope so. It's certainly a growing area- Ah, yeah ... in Hong Kong.

[00:55:22] Colin: It's incredible amount of work. 

[00:55:24] Queenie: On now. So I think it'll take time for it to really escalate and grow. But yeah, I certainly hope to stay involved.

[00:55:29] Colin: Yeah. Now, relaxation, hobbies.

I know one of your hobbies because I follow you, and I'm on your sort of face. So you like photographing. You like going on great holidays to very different places. And tell me all about that. It's really interesting.

[00:55:43] Queenie: Yeah. I do love traveling, and as you say, I like taking photos? Especially when I'm on these holidays. And then usually after a rather long time lag, I will put some of these photos into online photo albums and send it to friends including you. Yeah, so I really like it.

I think photography's fun for many reasons, but one of them is that two people can stand right next to each other and be photographing in the same direction, but the result of what they get might be very different. And so I, I enjoy that. I think with many things in life it's all about perspective and seeing things in a perhaps slightly different way.

[00:56:14] Colin: Yeah. And where's been your recent travels to?

[00:56:17] Queenie: Most recently I went to a place called Sapa in Vietnam which is very famous for its terraced fields- which is very fun. And if people are interested in seeing any of my photographs I actually now have a column in the TVB News app. Mostly in Chinese, I'm afraid.

But the one that came out, the article that came out just on Saturday was of some of my photos of the aurora that I took in Yellowknife in Canada just a few months ago. So feel free to have a look at that.

[00:56:42] Colin: Yeah, and you said you take a day off. You try to take a day off work. Yes. What do you do in your day off? Tell us, tell me about that.

[00:56:50] Queenie: I usually start the day by having coffee and a bit of reading or writing in my journal, just to try and have a quiet start to the day. 'Cause I normally take this day off on Sundays, so I would go to church on Sundays, on Sunday morning. I will often have lunch with friends.

And actually this very new thing, which I only tried for the very first time yesterday I'm now trying to go to the gym on Sundays as well. So I went for my first PT session? Personal training session yesterday, which I enjoyed.

[00:57:16] Colin: I do that now three times a week, and I have a wonderful personal trainer. But I call it the torture session. I do mine in Gymtown, which I have a personal trainer.

But you've gotta do it regularly to get yourself really focused and fit and stretching as well. I understand you took part in some stage productions once. Tell us a little bit about that, and do you still do anything with that with a Oscar-winning actor, Eddie Redmayne.

Yeah. I think our listeners may be interested in that. Sure. That Barristers are not all just purely bookworms and just doing and going to court.

[00:57:44] Queenie: No, absolutely. I've always had lots of interests, and I do lots of things.

And like I mentioned, when I was at university, I did a lot of music. And some of that was classical, but some of it were in musicals, and the one you've just referred to was Bernstein's West Side Story. And at that time, the lead role was played by Eddie Redmayne, as you were saying.

I have to say, it wasn't until many years later when I was looking back at the CD sleeve that I realized it was him. At the time, I thought, "Oh, he's pretty good." And then when I looked at that CD sleeve much more recently when I was just listening to it here in Hong Kong in my chambers, I realized, "Oh, it's Eddie Redmayne."

So I was right, he was pretty good.

[00:58:20] Colin: It's good. Anyway Hong Kong's gone through some difficult times, but things are getting better and better.

Hong Kong's future as a international dispute resolution center, the government is making huge efforts with this regard. Recently, the mediation center for dealing with international disputes between countries and other matters. How do you see Hong Kong moving forward?

[00:58:43] Queenie: I'm very optimistic. I would say as you rightly say, there have been difficulties, but I do think it's on the up. I think one of the things that struck me when I was chatting to an overseas judge, a very senior overseas judge, he was commenting on the very, very high quality of the judgments in Hong Kong, which I found very encouraging.

I have certainly always thought that, but it's obviously really quite something for a very senior overseas judge to make that comment. In terms of arbitration, Hong Kong has been going from strength to strength. It remains one of the top three seats top three most favored seats around the world.

And when I look at the HKIC's statistics, for example for the past few years, everything keeps rising. So a number of cases rises. The overall quantum of all the cases, that has also been on the rise. So I think it's all looking pretty positive. 

[00:59:30] Colin: I think it is, and what's very interesting with your chambers, Temple Chambers, very well known, eminent senior counsels, but the person who's been admitted to the inner bar, Charles Hollander, we went to the same school. 

Oh. a-and he played good tennis player and UCS, and he's very bright, and that's really good news because it shows that the international flavor, that Hong Kong is really an international center for dispute resolution and the rule of law. So I will be attending the ceremony this coming weekend. So for Temple Chambers, you're growing and growing. Also what's I was invited but I couldn't make it, was to the art, in Henderson. It's great stuff you're doing. Tell us a little bit about that as well.

[01:00:09] Queenie: Yeah. My chambers wants to try and do things which perhaps slightly differently. We do give the more traditional talks sometimes. But the particular event you mentioned was we were partnering with Christie's.

And so some of our members are actually very keen art collectors, extremely knowledgeable, and so they shared some of their thoughts and then everyone got to see what was on display in, at Christie's, and that was a really enjoyable event.

[01:00:32] Colin: Yeah. And you're gonna do more of those, I understand, also. Your chambers are very good. To help our listeners, we have two chambers in Hong Kong. You've got Temples and Devoeux. They're two of the largest ones, I would imagine, as well. And it's always interesting, oh, where am I gonna find my Barrister from the right chambers to do matters as well.

So confident future of Hong Kong, your, rule of law is all going well?

[01:00:52] Queenie: I think so. I think so. Going from strength to strength, I would say. 

[01:00:56] Colin: That's great. Queenie, it's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you. Thank you so much for joining us on Law & More.

[01:01:03] Queenie: Thanks, Colin.